are just living in it. that does it for me. you can catch my podcast, strict scrutiny about the supreme court and the legal culture that surrounds it, wherever you find your podcasts. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> then i have an article too where i have a right to do whatever i want as president, but i don't even talk about that. >> when somebody is the president of the united states, the authority is total. that's the way it's got to be. it's total. >> trump always claimed to have more more power than he actually had. now his team is being very open about his plan to greatly expand presidential power, if he returns to the white house. also tonight, conservative democrat joe manchin was in new hampshire today, still playing coy about whether he intends to run on the third party no labels

ticket. and quite possibly to tip next year's election to trump. plus, the republican presidential candidates show off their culture warrior bona feedies at the turning point usa conference which only served to highlight how badly they're losing the battle of ideas with the younger generation. >> and we begin tonight with a terrifying concept that is currently our reality. right now, the republican party's presidential front-runner, a twice impeached, twice indicted liable for sexual abuse former president is openly running a campaign on autocracy. new reporting from "the new york times" today breaks down all of the ways donald trump and his allies are planning to expand presidential power if he's elected in 2024. and that goes beyond just using the justice department to go after his political enemies as he has already promised to do. the times writes that trump and his associated have a broader

goal, to alter the balance of power by increasing the president's authority over every part of the federal government that now operates by either law or tradition, with any measure of unless from political interference by the white house. that includes bringing independent agencies like the federal communications commission, which regulates the media and the federal trade commission under direct presidential control. reviving the practice of impounding funds, refusing to spend money congress has appropriated for programs the president doesn't like. and stripping employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. all this is not a secret. it's happening not behind closed doors. they have been openly broadcasting this plan at rallies and on trump's campaign website. but now, some of those directly involved in this multi-million dollar operation have been

saying the quiet part out loud. russell vaut, who ran the office of management and budget in the trump white house, told the times, quote, what we're trying to do is identify the pockets of independence and seize them. while a former white house personnel chief said, our current executive branch was conceived by liberals, for the purpose of promulgating liberal policies. there's no way to make the existing structure function in a conservative manner. it's not enough to get the personnel right. what's necessary is a complete system overhaul. and it's not just trump's campaign. there's a network of conservative groups who are backing this effort. like the heritage foundation, the organization shaping republican policies since the reagan administration. not to mention the supreme court. and if you're asking yourself, why they're doing this, i have three words for you. power, money, and deregulation. the times writes, the agenda

being prescribed as the administrative state, agencies that enact regulation aimed at keeping the air and water clean, and food, drugs, and consumer products safe, but that cut into business profits. and their plan to dramatically increase presidential power is all under the legal guise of the unitary executive theory, which should sound familiar. it's this idea that because the executive branch is headed by a single person, that person, the president, is the ultimate policymaker. supporters of this theory believe article two of the constitution makes it so the president is essentially immune to checks and balances from congress and can, as donald trump said, do anything he wants within the executive branch and no one can stop him. this is not a novel concept. reagan administration lawyers developed the theory to advance their deregulatory agenda, and

george w. bush's administration floated it after 9/11. what donald trump is vowing to do is take that to the next level with the help of reservative billionaires he's essentially running for office on the idea of turning the presidency into a dictatorship. while none of this is surprising, it is incredibly alarming. especially considering that trump remains the republican party's front-runner, which means the 2024 election may determine whether or not the united states of america remains a democracy. joining me now is michael beschloss, msnbc presidential historian, and joshua stanton, president of the defense of dignity center. thank you both for being here. i'll start with you, michael. you covered the presidency for a very long time. this concept they have created of essentially unitary president who cannot be stopped by congress or anyone in the executive branch, what do you make of it? >> it's ridiculous. there's no such thing. if we brought james madison back, who did much to invebt the

system that we're talking about, his whole thing was balance of power. you know, checks and balances between three branches. co-equal, a president, a supreme court, a congress. and so what we have got now is, and he's telling us 16 months before the next presidential election, donald trump is the first person, the only person in all of american history who has said if you elect me, my intention is to establish just as you're saying, joy, a presidential dictatorship. telling you the american people, your families, everyone you know, your friends, others, every private aspect of your life, if you're running a business, there's not going to be an independent federal trade commission. donald trump will tell your business what to do. if you're part of a media organization as we are, there will not be, for instance, an independent federal communications commission.

donald trump, if he hears something on msnbc or another network that he doesn't like something he reads in "the new york times," which is probably pretty likely, he can do a lot to have what we do, what all of us do, stilled and perhaps even those organizations abolished. we have never seen anything like this in american history. all i'm saying to our friends who are watching us tonight, take this very seriously. don't think this is a joke. >> right, and mr. stanton, i struggle to find the liberals who created the executive branch. i struggle to find them in the people such as mr. madison and jefferson. they weren't liberals. but the second part of what mr. vogt said i think is the point. you can't create conservative outcomes unless the president and the president we like has complete control. just from a legal standpoint, talk a little bit about this idea. let me, before you do that, let me read a little thing from the

economist. republicans believe they will be able to enact their program only if they first defang the deep state by making tens of thousands of top civil servants sackable. these were given over mighty president direct control of the department of justice by being able to sack all the purported dissenters, the administration would obliterate the norm of legal independence. if so, trumpian resentment would be channeled into concrete vengeance. the prospect should concern all americans. it's essentially viktor orban-ism or putin-imp in america. >> that's right. this is an extreme and dangerous theory that even fairly right-wing legal thinkers generally have not subscribed to. some understanding of how fringe this is, when justice alito was up for confirmation for his supreme court seat and more recently when amy coney barrett was up for confirmation on her supreme court seat, both of them

responded in relation to probably the most significant supreme court case governing the powers of the presidency, youngstown sheet and tube, which governors specifically what the president can and cannot do and what congress can regulate and legislate and prevent the president from doing. in each of them, alito and coney barrett suggested that they thought that that was the right law. so what we're talking about when we think about a fringe theory, the theory that is to the right of, further right of what alito and coney barrett have already said. yes, this is a dangerous theory. >> and michael, it strikes me that it is also an admission of defeat in terms of the culture. in terms of them admitting that the outcomes they want and that his fans want, the reason they love trump, is he's promising to bypass democracy to implement the things they want that a vast

majority of americans don't want. it's nixon but much, much, much worse. >> much, much, much worse, exactly, joy. and here is a situation where they're gaming the existing system. they're not talking about doing things that are illegal, interestingly enough, and there's a parallel for that in germany 1933. hitler, and i'm not comparing donald trump to hitler, but in terms of the system, hitler basically used the existing system in germany in 1933 so that the will of an angry minority that is translated into power and dictatorship, exactly the same thing happening here. if we asked all americans in a fair poll, do you love democracy? i would say probably 70% would say i do. do you think that there should be abortion rights, do you think the press should not be intimidated, do you think businesses should not be dictated to? i would say probably 65% to 70%

of americans would say no, i'm terrified by those things. but what the trump people are doing is they're taking advantage of a weakness in our system that goes all the way back to 1787 which says if you manipulate it, if you appoint certain people to the supreme court, which is owned one-third by donald trump appointed and people who like him, congress may be dominated by republicans 16 months from now. if all of that happens, the will of an angry 30% minority who may be a little more than that, can be made to rule all of us and donald trump will be made into our dictator. >> right, and there will be nothing to ever remove or stop him. speaking of people -- >> that would be the last free election. >> it would be the last free election, i think to be certain. speaking of people that donald trump appointed, aileen cannon. let's talk about her, joshua. here donald trump is praising her. he did appoint her.

she was in her 30s. she doesn't have much experience at all to be a judge with this much power, but she's going to be judging the case of his theft and retention of classified documents. take a listen to what he said about her recently. >> any indication the judge will grant this motion? >> i don't know. i know it's a highly respected judge, a very smart judge, and a very strong judge. >> you appointed her. >> i did and i'm proud to have appointed her. very smart, very strong. and loves our country. we need judges who love our country so they do the right thing. >> that is a message to aileen cannon, joshua, to judge cannon, before she decides whether or not the trial of donald trump will be scheduled before the election or after. he would very much like it to be after. that seems to me he is speaking to her, and she seems to be very maga. what other risks if she were to rule and say yes, indeed, we will hold this trial until donald trump is in a position to

pardon himself and end this trial? >> well, it seems unlikely even for this judge to set the trial so far or delay it far, far into the future. of course, we have been wrong about what this judge would do in the past. but that being said, a more measured response and perhaps a more expected response might be for the judge to set it some time, some trial date into the future that maybe neither side would really love with the concept she might say, hey, come back and we'll get some status updates, we'll see how things are going. but the real risk here is, i think trump is not really done himself any favors by making these public statements because the judge will surely want to avoid an appearance of impropriety, and by trump making

these very clear sort of undertones in his praise of the judge, in wanting her to rule in his favor, creates at least some possibility of that in her ruling. so i don't think that she will appreciate these statements even if she were going to rule for him in the first place. >> you know, michael beschloss with the praying hands and i was thinking the praying hands because donald said, michael, donald trump holds the ultimate incentive for her. meaning he becomes president, clarence thomas retires to permanently vacation with his billionaire friends who by the way probably won't want to take him anymore because he can't get them anything anymore, and she gets on the supreme court in her late 30s. and then -- there's no incentive for her to behave herself. if she's maga, she can maga and there's nothing we can do about it. >> well, and the other thing is we have to ask the question, just as joshua was saying, why did donald trump choose this moment to tell the american

people that he will become a dictator if elected? you might think it might be more politically shrewd to pretend to be a moderate and then do all this if he is elected. i would give two reasons. the major reason is, if americans think that donald trump is inevitable and fascism is the way that of the american future, people will begin in their minds to censor themselves and make adjustments in everything they do between now and 16 months from now at the time of the election, they might say, well, maybe i shouldn't say this because if trump is re-elected, he may start jailing people, he may retaliate against people. and very specifically, if donald trump right now wants to intimidate jurors, in florida, in georgia, in washington, d.c., in other trials, you know, what better way than to give them the idea that if they cast a vote to

send donald trump to prison or cause him to be convicted, then if donald trump becomes president, who is going to be first on the enemy's list? remember what president obama said, when we lose true democracy, people get hurt. that's what's going to happen if this happens. >> i will note as he is praising judge aileen cannon at least for now, before she maybe does something he doesn't like, he's threatening prosecutors, and so far, no one has done anything about that. >> a blanket threat, you're right. >> exactly, michael beschloss, joshua stanton, thank you both. up next on "the reidout," democrat joe manchin flirts with the idea of a third party bid for president with an appearance at a no labels event. who is backing this group and what is their end game? "the reidout" continues after this.

. senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia, wrapped up a town hall to promote the so-called common sensef genda of the third party group no labels. he was joined by jon huntsman who also served as a u.s. ambassador under multiple administrations. the no labels manifesto is chock full of demands like politicians should stop releasing migrants, and also insists women should have bodily autonomy while pushing an obligation to safeguard human life. it's a registered nonprofit, so

it's not required to disclose where its funding comes from. they claim to have donors from across the country but they won't share the names because agitators and partisan operatives would try to attack certain individual supporters. despite that, mother jones was able to uncover some of the individuals funneling gobs of money their way, and it consists of corporate executives who are financing boast republican and democratic candidates. no labels has so far gained ballot access in arizona, colorado, alaska, and oregon. and hopes to do the same in all 50 states. now, mind you, arizona was pivotal to president biden's 2020 victory, but he beat trump by little more than 10,000 votes. early polling shows a third party candidate with siphon off enough votes to tip the election to trump. the founding chairman of no labels is joe lieberman, who was al gore's running mate on the democratic ticket in 2000, who was defeated in part because of a third party candidacy of ralph

nader. he told the atlantic, quote, i think people in both parties are greatly overreacting. they really would do better to try to build up support for their own ticket and adopt a platform more to the center. ah, yes, democrats are just hysterical about the possibility of handing trump a second term and potentially bringing the democratic experiment to an end. he's being disingenuous when he says democrats needs a platform more to the center. bucking the more progressive wing of the party which has earned criticism from said progressives. political operatives have met to discuss how to counter the run. it has become so terrifying the top democratic firms woo worked with the group in the past now refuse to discuss their collaboration. joining me is david corn, msnbc political analyst. good to see you, my friend. who is funding this? >> i wish we knew.

they're what we call a dark money group. there are dark money groups out there, but political parties are not. you give money to the dnc, the rnc, it's supposed to be disclosed. they got last year about $11 million from we don't know, big donors. you can't -- you know, they could give out the information if they wanted to. they choose not to because of their irs designation. at mother jones we found they gave $2.4 million out of this $11 million part of dark money to their effort to get ballot access in various states. then we found a list of contributors that gave $200,000 beyond that pool of money, so other people who support them. and you know, it's people who have supported republicans and democrats, but i think it really tilts more to the republican side. there's a guy named michael smith who is a natural gas

billionaire. he gave $5.5 million, million with an "m" to republican senatorial efforts. a fellow named allen keen, a real estate developer, he gave $135,000 to donald trump's effort in 2020. not 2016, and there's a private equity guy who gives hundreds of thousands of dollars each year to kevin mccarthy, congressional republicans, and so it really, if you added everything up, there's a distinct republican tilt. there are some democrat donors who give, but we don't know, and they keep complaining when i do my stories or when we ask them. you know, we can't give out the names of our donors. >> but here's the thing, you said the magic word, natural gas. if you go back, in the previous block, we talked about the fear of a trump autocracy. if you look at the deregulation, which is what billionaires want more than anything besides more

money, there was the sort of amount of deregulation, the sort of cash value of what they saved under trump versus biden, like ten times. and under bush, it was like five times. and so what they want is they want a conservative government that will deregulate their natural gas industry. it's why they like joe manchin, he's an oil and coal and gas guy. isn't this probably big pharma, big oil, those same polluting industries that would rather have trump because they want to save money? >> we don't know. >> but more likely? >> it's certainly -- ones who give to democrats come from the center. they're not progressives. the ones who are are republican governors, they're down the line republicans. they have supported trump, they have supported kevin mccarthy. they're really, you know, supporting the trump far right project. so there is this idealogical imbalance here. and imbalance is really the key word here.

because if you listen to joe manchin and joe lieberman, who was out there today at the town hall, two of these leaders. they go out again and again, and they say we don't like extremism of the left or right. >> and they can't name the left. >> what they do, they're equating joe biden as extreme as donald trump. the guy who tried to overthrow the election and kind of the government, you just did this long segment on, has a whole plan. they say that joe biden is as extreme as donald trump. right there, there's a complete dishonesty, and then when they start hiding their sources of money, it can only raise suspicions. >> when you look at in the swing states, a polling effect of them, in a two-way race, joe biden would beat donald trump 52/48. you throw no labels in, suddenly, donald trump wins. my occam's razor answer to that

is they would rather have trump win because deregulation is so financially valuable that they prefer that, and what has joe biden done that is so liberal? climate. he's passed a giant bill that's going to help save the planet. they don't want to save the planet. >> you look at the common sense pamphlet that put out today, there's virtually nothing in it about climate. it's mentioned once and they say we have to do more oil. we do a transition. there's nothing there on climate. they fudge on abortion. i think there are two theories here. one is that, you know, i'm not saying i subscribe to this. one is they do have this secret agenda that is right wing or, you know, right of center, that's business oriented, and they want to help trump over all the gop candidates, and they don't like joe biden and the democrats and that's why they're doing this. the other is they don't care. they so much want the attention for themselves, they want to be

in the middle of things, that if they end up throwing the election to trump, that's fine by them. they say if the polling shows a year from now that this would be a spoiler and help trump, they won't do it, but i mean, that's a lot to hang a promise on. >> and i don't think so. david corn, thank you very much. coming up, conservative group turning point usa is holding a big old concert in florida, of course, and the rhetoric coming out of it is not surprising, but it does provide a window into their long term goals and ambitions. we'll be right back.

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over the weekend, conservative millennials and the boomers who groomed them gathered at the turning point action conference in west palm beach, florida. a strange crowd, kind of like the conservative political action conference but with a younger audience. menno of whom grew up in a uniquely toxic moment in american politics where everything from insurrections to trump normalizing things. donald trump, the leader himself, headlined the conference, making a sparkler lit entrance in front of his feverish maga fans, and the crowd goes wild. one thing that's clear, this was trump country. you are either with him or the enemy.

>> when i get back into the oval office, i will totally obliterate the deep state. they will be obliterated. >> even as blm and antifa travel the streets of this country and burn them to the ground -- >> in fact, the people at the capitol on january 6th are exactly the ones who most want to believe in our elections. they're the ones who carry the pocket constitution. [ booing ] >> yes, i'm running for president of the united states. we've got some great, great people that are running. and what we need is respect for those that might have a differing opinion. >> you couldn't hear that last bit. former arkansas governor asa

hutchinson getting viciously heckled for advocating for respect. the word respect, not a popular concept among the far right. in fact, the entire thing was just an endless screed of conspiracies, trans phobia, and hate, and for helping ukraine, forget about it. the straw poll shows 96% of attendees oppose providing aid for ukraine's fight against russia. those were announced by tony kirk, the racism embracing junior college dropout who founded the youth group in 2012. he once called george floyd a scum bag and goes on unhinged anti-black rants as a rather pathetic attempt to reach gen z. he and all those speakers and audience members with their nasty enough, they're not fooling anybody. the republicans have failed young people. republicans resent and fear millennial and gen z political power. they hate that when young

americans vote in large numbers, they vote in the majority for democrats. which is why they're constantly trying to suppress their vote. they hate that america's youngest generations are racially diverse and in a majority are liberal on everything from lgbtq rights and existence to ending white supremacy and learning real history. instead of treating these young voters with humanity and respect. why else would they insist on blocking student debt relief, banning books and a.p. history and abortion, and refusing to do anything about climate and guns? all issues that polls show that young voters really, really care about. and then they wonder why they're losing gen z, which is why turning point is fighting for a demographic they have already lost. young people don't want the right's agenda. they're losing gen z so spectacularly, turning point offers kits to lure young black folks into the republican party. it should come as no surprise

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you know maga land is struggling to connect with younger more diverse americans when they think it's a good idea to put this out into the world. ♪ mtg maga's mvp ♪ ♪ democrats get back ♪ ♪ spreading all these rumors ♪ ♪ deep state and the left always hating ♪ ♪ when they going to let joe out the basement ♪ ♪ marjorie i really love what you do ♪ ♪ no one does it better than you ♪ ♪ a real businesswoman ♪ ♪ a little hood ♪ >> did he just take the word -- i'm so sorry. joining me now, all my apologies, matthew body, professor at the university of north georgia. amar'e day, member of "the new

york times" editorial board and msnbc political analyst and unfortunate soul who has to respond to that first. you're the millennial. what you think? is that makes you want to be a republican? >> well, i just -- they seem a little confused. it's almost -- it's like traveling back in time to 1990, but like in their imagination. i don't know, like, what they think is going to happen here. it's remarkable, obviously. we have to say it's offensive, bought of course, the message is simply young people are too stupid to know the difference. all you need to do to appeal to younger people who happen to be a generation that is more racially diverse is simply put some faces of color in an ad and maybe rap, as though that's what

rap or art or music or young people are about. it's hard to know where to start. it's not going to work. so you know, and then the question here is, did they talk to any young people? >> clearly no. clearly no. >> this was like cooked up in some kind of political consultant shop that should be fired. it's a lot to take in. it's a lot to take in. >> a lot to take in. i leave it to you, matthew. you're in georgia and you understand turning points usa. what is the point? they have this urban engagement kit. they try to seem to do fake blackness. but they also hate black people and charlie cook says so like every day. so your thoughts. >> i think it's two things. one, she's right, the power of nostalgia. it's taking you back to the '90s

and also how things were when millennial parents were in college or even before that. that's what charlie kirk talks about, returning america to a simpler time. i think also it treats non-white culture, whatever culture you want, as exotic, as some sort of thing you want to be a part of but you don't want to learn about. you have these maga celebrities who are black showing up to turning point conferences and doing selfie stands with all the older white voters who show up. it's an exotic thing. i want to be a part of it, i want to be excited, but i don't want to understand it. >> yeah, look, listen. i lived through the '90s. i'm generation x. that's not what the '90s were like at all. let's talk about this. what they're trying to do is appeal to young people. but they keep doing policies young people hate. if you look at how people feel about things like abortion. age 18 to 29, 83% want abortion to be legal. you can go through anything,

climate, all these issues. but you look at who young people are. the median age of white americans is 43. the median age of latinos, african americans, asian americans, is under 35 or in their 20s. african americans are one of the youngest groups in the country. only 19% of white americans are under 18. and 20% of asians. 25% of blacks are under 18. 27% of indigenous, of native americans. you keep going. native hawaiian, 28%. but it's multi-racial who are the biggest group of under18. isn't their problem they despise the people who they think they're trying to attract? >> well, i think their problem is that their main vehicle at this point, their main plan to win elections is really based on very extreme group of voters

appeasing those extreme maga voters. and then suppressing the vote elsewhere. and so until they're ready to let go of that and actually legislate again and take part in democratic society, by being focused on winning elections instead of suppressing voters, that's not really going to change. so it's hard to look at this any other way than republicans know they're not going to win young voters overall. the best they can do is shave a little bit off the edges maybe, throw something against the wall, see if that sticks. this is a hail mary. also, hope that many voters don't turn out. and that's i think what this is about. there is an underlying lack of understanding i believe about what many americans, not just young americans, but the majority of americans who do support abortion rights, who are worried about climate change and down the list. the world that we live in is not

the world that today's republican party lives in. >> and matthew, who is funding this? who funds them? >> well, turning point, as you know, is a 501(c)(3), so they kind of reveal donors every now and then. we get a general idea. they call themselves a grassroots organization so there are small donors, but the people who are funding the conference this weekend are mega donors, people who want to see trump on stage and people who show up to the conferences are paying several hundred dollars do that, so it's grassroots and also mega donors the conservative group has. but i think the rhetoric they point out tries to show that they think they have a movement going with young voters, and they don't. they haven't changed young voters' voting patterns in the years turning point has been around. really, they're attacking higher education, attacking college degrees, attacking things younger voters are into to get more money from donors. >> do young people show up to these things or maybe with their

parents? >> this weekend was quite funny because if you look at all the photographs from "the new york times" or "the washington post," it was all senior citizens or 50 or older. so we think of turning point usa as a young millennial group, but in fact, they have switched to this broader group, and i wouldn't call them a young person's group anymore. >> at all.that, the people who can get the rapid aoa's good. that's who showed up. thank you and appreciate. apologies. coming, up an alabama woman who went missing after reporting a toddler on the highways back. home but there are still a lot of unanswered questions, more next. next detect this: living with hiv, i learned i can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that's why i switched to dovato. dovato is a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable than dovato. detect this: most hiv pills contain 3 or 4 medicines. dovato is as effective with just 2.

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went missing thursday, is back home and safe with her family. 25-year-old carlee russell vanished after she called 9-1-1 to report seeing a toddler walking alone on an interstate. she was on the phone with a family member when she disappeared. video from the interstate where russell disappeared shows a car driving slowly with flashers on. word of her disappearance went viral on social media. on saturday, russell returned to her family home, alone and on foot. she was taken to hospital for an evaluation and released. it is still unclear what happened to russell during those 48 hours or what happened to the child she reported seeing on thursday. joining me now is nbc's priscilla thompson in hoover, alabama. i've been watching your coverage, excellent coverage of this case. i know you talked with the family before their daughter was found. have they learned or have police interviewed carlee russell and found out where she was? >> well, joy, that is the big

question. we know that police have spoken with carlee russell, they spoke with her the night she returned when she was taken to the hospital. at some point, if they did speak to her at the hospital. but they are not saying what she shared with them. what we are hearing from police is that they know what happens in the moments leading up to this phone call being made, that she left, work that she picked out food, that she was driving on the interstate and she made that call saying that she saw a toddler. we've seen the surveillance video of her car with the flashers on, appearing to pull over. but police say that after that 9-1-1 call was made, they don't know what happened in those 48 hours when she was missing. having spoken to the family, i know that they have shared that there was a family member at the home with them that was on the phone with carlee russell and recalls her hearing ask someone, are you okay? followed by a scream, some shuffling, and then she just heard nothing but traffic

noise. her family really describes, her mother telling me immediately she felt her daughter was in danger. of course, they called police. there was a surge that ensued for some 48 hours. and then saturday night, police say she showed up at the family home on the doorstep alone, on foot, medics were called to evaluate her. she was taking to the hospital and released on sunday morning. since then, we have not received an update from officials on her condition. but her boyfriend posted on social media saying, quote, she was literally fighting for her life for 48 hours. he says she is not in a mental or physical space right now to talk about or give any information about the whereabouts of her kidnappers. police say they are still investigating and they do plan to speak with her again in the coming days. joy? >> let me play really quickly, this is the dispatch audio. this is the police and fire on the night that carly disappeared. take a listen. >> 49 south, a child walking on,

three or four-year-old child walking at the side of the interstate. >> has there been any follow-up on? that are police looking for this child? that is another part of the mystery here. >> yeah, another one of the unanswered questions. police say the only call they received that night about a child on the interstate was from carlee russell. and no one else called in anything like that. they said they have not received any reports of a missing child. as you mentioned, just another mystery in all of this. but i did ask police, is that something they are looking at? again, they say it is part of their investigation, as they continue to try to piece together what exactly happened on that interstate, what happened during the time she was missing, who she may have been with, and what might have happened to her. joe. >> last question here. are police looking for a potential suspect?

if there is, in theory, a kidnapper out, there when we think the community would want to, know especially if they are luring women using potentially a child. >> absolutely, joe. i put that exact question to the police chief and i met with him earlier. he declined to comment, again saying it was part of the investigation. but it's notable that when i spoke with carlee russell's parents, one of the things they mentioned was that they had warned their daughter about situations like this, saying that no matter how young a person who may seem endanger may appear, it could be a trap and it could be someone using that in order to do something nefarious. and so, when they heard that this happened, literally the thing they said was, we have warned her about this. certainly some concern there, at least from the parents, that this could've been some sort of trapped. but again, police saying they are still exploring all possible avenues, potentially looking for that child, not commenting on whether there is

a suspect that they have in mind or not, but saying that they want to have another conversation with carlee russell as they continue moving forward in this investigation. joy? >> nbc's priscilla thompson. thank you so much. we will keep up with a story. we -- that is tonight's reidout. don't go anywhere, msnbc primetime special joe scarborough presents oppenheimer starts right now. rough presents oppenheimer starts right now ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good evening and welcome to joe scarborough presents. as we move closer to the primaries, and donald trump remains the dominant front-runner, according to the morning consult tracker. he is nearly 40 points ahead of his closest rifle, florida governor ron desantis. and there is real apprehension about what a second trump term might look like. this morning, the new york times published a frighten