here. frump subpoenaed the supreme court of georgia last week to try to l shut down the investigation thatwn could resu in his indictment in that state for his efforts to overturn the electionth results in that stat whilen the georgia state supre court has just ruled tonight against him. they will do no such thing. they will not quash that t investigation. the investigation will proceed. theed prosecutor is not removed. a grand jury that may be asked to return an indictment has been impaneled in georgia as of last week. so that is all going ahead. his efforts to derail that investigation and potential

prosecutionte failed tonight in georgia supreme court. also say, i'm self-conscious about giving youa an update like that. i feel like you have to run over to t your personal white board cork board with thumb tacks and strings on it to keep track of these things. if you are feeling like all these stories about trump facing charges are all blending together, if you're having a hard time keeping track of all the jurisdictions in which he is being put on trail for criminal charges or maybe, first of all, you do not have to feel embarrassed about that.ba you are not alone. it is getting hard to keep track. second of all, we'll have more only later in the show. help hopefully with disentangling all of his various indictments and potential indictments and how some of them may affect whether others may go forward. we'llma have a little disentangling help with that later this hourit tonight. we're also going to be talking with pennsylvania's governor,

joshs shapiro. aspen pen governor, he's just pulled off like a carnival feat of ivstrength. tell gubernatorial equivalent of bench pressing a car or winning a tug-of-war with an elephant or something. he just did something nobody thought was possible in his home state of pennsylvania. egoing to be joining us live to talk about that. we start with an update on something we've been covering. it will be the political sleeper hit of the summer. you might have seen, there is this big "new york times" story a very important story about how the leading republican presidential candidate donald trump and republicans more broadly have thisan plan that ty want to put in place if the republican party wins the presidency in 2024.

they're calling it project 2025 because this is a plan that is supposed t to go into effect up the inauguration of donald trumo in 2025. either trump or some other republican president gets inaugurated in january of 2025 and project 2025 thereby goes into effect. this plan is being coordinated by right wing think tank called theta heritage foundation. it ise a plan to radically chaa of form of governance that we have in the united ovstates. so as to concentrate all the power of the government in the hands of a single leader.le quote, our current executive branch wasre conceived of by liberals. what is necessary is a complete system overhaul. quote, what we're trying to do is identifyo the pockets of independents inside the u.s. government and seize them. seize them. there won't be any more pockets

of independent power outside thr power that is held by the president. as i am, they want this to be donald trump.hi they want him to be the guy in whose hands all this power is concentrated. they say they would plan to do thispl with any republican president. the plan ish to change the structure of the c u.s. governmt so the next president, the next republican presidentes will tak direct control of w all state power. he would, for example, take over all federal law enforcement and runl that directly for his own benefit through the doj. there would be no more independence of federal law ul enforcement. the next president wouldpera ta control of private business in this country for his own benefit through the powers of the ftc. the federal trade commission. the next president would revive an oldou and i should say illeg practice call impoundment which would basically take away the fundamental powers ofwa congres and put that power, too, in

trump's hands. again, identify the pockets of independence and seize them. instead of checksze and balance we would have more of a strong man system of government. a singlest leader with all the power of the state personally given s to him. no other part of the government, no other thing in the country at all would be allowed to constrain him. that sounds nice. it at least sounds simple. that said, it is obviously fundamentally opposite to the whole idea of why we exist as a country a in the first place, a i think it is no surprise to see an article like this, to see reportingto like this in the "times" today. everybody knows this is where the american political odright, where the republican party has been heading in the trump era. but still, i think the reason this reporting today is getting so much attention and causing so muchus consternation is because

however much i this might be th dream of thebe trump era right wing in american politics, for the most part, the american people really don't want this. so it is one thing to see it hinted at, or to feel like this is the system they would like to replace our l system with. it is another thing tor see itn black letter print. that they put a name on it. itn has an implement dags and they'reda getting it ready. in general, the american people don'tth want to live under a single leader who has concentrated all power in his own hands and nothing constrains him andg nothing else matters other than his own whims. you don'twn want to live in a countryo under a leader like tt who is a good guy let alone a leader like that who is a bad guy. you don't have to be a civics dork to know you don't want that. by and't large the american peoe

really don't. but here's the thing. whale that is the vision at the top,t for the american politic right in the trump era, that's what they want for their national leader.or that's what they want the americanth presidency to become. it is also their broader project for what they think of governance. if you go down a step or two from theirp strong man vision r the guy at the very top. they're also getting very big ideas about what to do with their power in the states right now. this is not something theygh ne a project 2025 for. this is not something they have to wait and hope to have another republican president in 2025. this is something they're doing now.s this is why i thinkdo this is t politicaly sleeper issue of th summer. just one week ago on the show, we reported that the republican attorney general of tennessee was seizing private unredacted medical records of people in

tennessee. so you go to the doctor. you have an expectation that your health care experience is private. your medicale records are confidential. but in tennessee, families recently gotne a notice from th vanderbilt university medical center telling them their personal unredacted individual medical records had beenal take byen the state attorney general. these records werege seized without the consent of these se patients. without any way to opt out. he just took them. his office still has them. he's had them for months. now, in tennessee, like in every state where republicans are in power, republicans in that state have been going after trans peoplein and the medical record the tennessee republican attorney general confiscated were from trans people and othep people who had attended a clinic intt tennessee that provides gender affirming care.

now, at this point, some of you watching me now are thinking, th oh, that's what this is. this is one of those things about transgender affirming care. that's probablyr thinking, thas too bad for trans people in tennessee. i wouldn't wish that on anyone but we know theat republicans a really coming after those people so that's bad for them but it's notr really a surprise. this is kind of a niche story. it turns out that once you've convinced yourself that you havy take the private medical records of people you've decided are bad people, once you've decided you have the right the take the private medical records of people because you think they don't actually haveyo the right to ma their own decisions for their ci own lives and their own health care, so they don't have any ny legitimate expectation of privacy. they don't have o any legitimat expectation ofgi protection fro you.om once you've decided that you

have that kind of power, those , kinds of rights, it's amazing how far and how fast those fa feelings will take you. so it was just a week ago we covered tennessee's republican attorney generalse seizing the privateto medical records of trs people in that state. well, here's the lead in the tennesseeant newspaper tonight. they want to investigate and compel information on out of state abortions. these are your private medical records. they are taking them already fromg trans people in tennesse. now they want to take them from any tennessee woman who has had an abortion in another state. in another state? yeah. if you live in tennessee and you need t to get an abortion, well republicans have instituted an abortion ban in i tennessee. you can't get one in tennessee anymore. you will need to travel out of state. but the attorney general now

says heen plans to effectively follow you out of state to get your medical records toe see i you got an abortion somewhere else. even in a state where it's legal. that's the tennesseean tonight. and will neoh, look, it's also kentucky. tonightn in the louisville carr journal.ou the kentucky attorney general wants kentuckians out of state abortion records to be available to authorities. oh, it's not just tennessee. it's also kentucky. and here it is in arkansas, too, today,o, in the arkansas times. arkansas attorney general wants to know about your out of state abortion. it's happeningat with the republican attorney general in arkansas, too. look.d here tonight. here it is in georgia. georgia attorney general. and here it is in mississippi. mississippi's attorney general. this is from mississippi today. a nonprofit news organization which isro actually first to brk

the story with the headline. mississippi's attorney general wants to make info and out of state abortions to mississippi authorities. mississippi has banned abortion. there is no abortion clinic left inis mississippi. if you live in mississippi and you need to get an abortion, you will need to figure out how to get yourself f out of mississip into a state where you can legally get one. butle the republicans and state government inan mississippi say they will effectively follow you outl of the state by virtue of the fact that you are a mississippi resident, sorry, they now claim the right to seize your medical records from like a clinic in new york or in illinois or wherever else you go. they claim the right to follow you there and take your medical records there for their own law enforcement purposes. and i just showed you headlines from mississippi, kentucky, tennessee, arkansas, georgia. it is actually 19 different states where republican

officials are going for this now. 19 republican attorney generals in 9 states have signed on to a letter to the biden administration saying they want theth right to go after women's private medical records anywhere in the country, including in all the states where abortion is legal. they want to follow their residents allt over the countr to see if that woman might be ig getting an abortion or some other type of reproductive care anywhere. they want the records and they claim theco right to go get the. republican attorneys general in all ofne those states have sent this letter to the biden administration about their right as they see it to get your private medical records. and they mean it for women getting an abortion or fertility

treatment or any kind of reproductive care. potentially contraception. also gender-affirming care of any afkind. they claim the right to take your medical records to see what you'reor up to no matter where you've gone to get it. how can you get away from something like this? ifme this is what they say they want to do, and it is, how do you getit away from it? the reason they've written to the bidenve administration sayi they claim this right is because the biden administration says they should not have the right to do this. the biden administration is trying to assert federally that attorneys general from states where abortion isra banned can' follow theirnn residents to oth states to see if they're getting banned care from someplace where it ishe legal. beyond those efforts to protect this at the federalo level fro the biden administration, you've started to see blue states. places like b new york and that have state passed statet laws saying that

nobody should be able to get private medical recordsto like this. just because you've banned abortion inec your state doesn' mean you can effectively enforce it in mine. here's 19mi republican states, republican state attorneys general saying they're going for it. and maybe they already are. when the reporter joe sanka from the louisville journal asked the kentucky attorney general's office if t they have already pursued private medical records from kentucky women who have had medical treatment in other states, the attorney general's office didn't give joe sonka an answer. it leaves open a the possibilit that maybe they are already doing althis. maybe they are already trying or getting these medical records. they used to say the republican party was the party of limited government. this is a lot of things but this is not that. joining us now, president of

pro-choice america. it's really great to see you. thanks for being here. >>ei thank you for having me. >> so i want to start with this letter from these 19 republican attorneys general. they're writing to the biden administration why? why have they taken this on as a matter of they need to take one theto federal government? >> the republican ags have been increasingly extremist. they're some of the most egregiousth offenders of attack on our medical freedoms. it is not shocking as they're losing the public opinion war on abortion, they're pivoting and trying toe conflate a gender-affirming care attacks abortion care. we know that the opponents for reproductive abortion acts are theac same as for jn care. we know where the dark money is

coming from. there's model legislation. this all started with sb-8 in texas, my home state, which established this vigilante mechanism and reallyte encourag the citizens of the state to spy and report texans who left the state to have abortions. when you have organized entities withor extremist organizations likest harris society, christia right to life, they are literally disseminating within the agsin and the legislatures. so it is not shocking. our sense of this is they're losing the public opinion war on abortion. they are desperate to win back power and in mississippi, we know we have folks, the ag is up for re-election and she'll be in a toughio race. this is them fear-mongering against some of the most

vulnerable americans to try to score points and they're increasingly desperate base. >> so we started covering the story when we learned c about i inne tennessee. when family in tennessee got notified by vanderbilt university medical center that much to their chagrin, the medical center felt compelled to hand over people's medical records when the attorney general demandedco them. the families didn't find out that thet medical records had gone to the ag's office until months after they were handed over t chfrs very distressing t these families. itth raises practical questions immediately. one isl what can medical providers do to protect the privacy of their patients? bothie in republican-controlled statespu where there may be ban but also in blue states where these things are legal and people should be able to get this care without medical intrusion.e what can people. they do towh try to protect

themselves if attorneys general, 19at states are saying they thi people's medicaly information fair game. >> so you alluded to it before. the biden administration proposed thisni bill in respons to an active public comment period. but also, p the white house ledy vice president harris and the gender policy council has done 40l plus meetings with abortio providers, activists, patients, in tough states like idaho and missouri. they've been soliciting feedback from legislators, ags. they've known fo a long time this is what they're trying to do. they've beenre tracking this. which is why the u.s. senate last year, led by katherine cortez masto has had legislation. what can h folks do in the stat where these ags are threatening their bodily autonomy and their

freedom? they have toth frankly, the besy choice is to fight back at the ballot box. we havek to get more activist about removing extremist ags. some of the most forward thinking attorneys general are now the governors in states doing the most advanced work on reproductive care. you're going to have governor shapiro noon. the former ag. i hate to make it political but it is political. we have to prioritize reproductive freedom voters have to become supporters of the broad range of freedoms for everybody. for our lgbtq brothers and nd sisters. the other course of action folks can take is to challenge these bills and these laws in the courts. a lotws of our colleagues, the aclu, they're working on litigation. >> the president of pro-choice america. thanks very much for making time

this evening. this is a story that i think will getth more attention in da ahead. helpful to have you here. >> thank you. i should say when the biden administration announced this rule to try to prevent effectively republican attorneys general from chasing their residents around the state, around the country going after their medical records, they put out a statement saying your conversations with your doctor and yourwi decisions about reproductive health care are yourre own business, no one else's. i remember when they put out that statement at the time.th yes, yes, clearly, that is the obvious bottom line from which we alle proceed here. p it's not the obvious bottom line frombv which at least 19 republican states are proceeding now. it'see incredible that this is contested ground. but boy, is it. i much more ahead. stay with us. much more ahead. stay with us older having fun these days? family cookouts!

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whether you like him or you don't, florida's republican governor ron desantis has a presidential campaign that i think everybody acknowledges is not going very well. a couple of months and many millions of dollars into this thing already, he is right now trailing former president donald trump by 30 points in the polls. he did not think it would go that way. or maybe he wouldn't have gotten

in in the first place. now that the first fundraising numbers are in for his campaign, the headlines for desantis keep getting worse by the day. like these. desantis' campaign sheds staff amid cash crunch. desantis' campaign finances have some flash warning signs. while his presidential campaign is going poorly, spare a thought to his day job which is arguably going worse than his presidential campaign. and his day job being governor of florida, that has been going poorly on stuff that is sort of lower profile, but perhaps more unnerving. take, for example, florida is experiencing its first cases of malaria in a couple of decades. under desantis, the top relevant jobs are vacant in the public health agency that is responsible for detecting and preventing the spread of diseases like malaria, so that's a bad time for their newly to be

malaria in florida. there's also an exodus of insurance company from florida which means an increasing number of that state's residents are losing basic thing like car insurance and home insurance. it's not just because of natural disasters. it is also because of state policies related to insurance that insurance company say are forcing them out. democratic lawmakers say they've been trying to get desantis to focus on a solution to keep insurance company in the state and to keep insurance premiums from skyrocketing. they say he is too distracted by his war on woke and his failing presidential bid to do much of anything about it. there is also desantis' weird recent effort to create his own militia. something called the florida state guard which is different than the national guard which can be called up federally. the florida state guard would answer only to him. the miami herald has some amazing new reporting about the guard's leaders and recruits the

quitting in disgust, including one leader calling it a quote, military fantasy camp. then there is the stuff desantis is doing where you can't improve on the headline. like this one. desantis signs florida bill allowing radioactive roads made of potentially cancer-causing mining waste. what could go wrong? yeah. that's the headline about you at home as governor, is the next thing people in your state say, yeah, i want him in charge of all the country, too. even the big political stunts that ron desantis so excited about, so eager to promote. those have been not turning out well for him either. like his much heralded fight against disney. however much he likes to crow about it, it has resulted in a major lawsuit against him by disney which is the state's largest employer. and there is his ongoing series

of stunts in which he sends undocumented immigrants by the plane load or the bus load to liberal cities and towns, dropping them off without any resources or plans or resources for their arrival. because ha ha, that will show those northern liberals. ron desantis is the one who started this by sending flights full of people to martha's vineyard off the coast of massachusetts. flights filled with migrants and asylum seekers. he went and found them in texas and then paid millions of dollars to put them on charter flights at taxpayer expense to send them up to massachusetts. since then, federal lawmakers have given him over $20 million more to do more of this. and ron desantis is clearly gleefl about doing this to these poor people. he thinks this is an awesome political stunt. there is reason to think it may not turn out well for him either. in the texas county where

desantis had those folks picked up and sent to martha's vineyard, the sheriff in that county has failed criminal charges with the local district attorney. he's not saying who he is recommending to be charged but it does include felony counts for the men, women and children who were lied to to get them on to thoet plans. the other reason is that stunts like this never turn out well. he's not the first person to have done this. today we posted an episode of deja news about the conservatives in the south in the early 1960s. then it was southern segregation. is who were mad at northern liberals who were mad about civil rights. and will the southern segregationists decided they would teach those northern elites a lesson by putting people on buses, putting poor

african americans on buses and driving them up north on doorsteps. sending them there by lying to them, with no resources, no plan, and go no warning for the place they were due to arrive. the reason many of us have not heard this story about what southern conservative does in 1962 is that the whole thing was so cruel and so shameful, even in the civil rights calderon of cruelty in 1962, these stunts were seen as too cruel. they collapsed under the waeft public denunciations even from the white south. everybody wanted to forget about it as soon as possible. so the whole thing was memory hold. in other words, it went very poorly for the guy that did it before ron desantis did it. i'm guessing he may not know

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republican congresswoman whose name is marjorie taylor green. this is her speaking at a conservative political conference this weekend. the clip i'm about to show you is unedited. it is not doctored in any way. >> lyndon b. johnson is very similar to joe biden. how are they the same? they're both democrats socialists. lyndon b. johnson was the majority leader in the senate. does that sound familiar? he was vice president to kennedy. joe was vice president to obama. he was appointed as the president after jfk was assassinated. then he was elected. his big socialist programs were the great society. the great society where big government programs to address education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, transportation, medicare, medicaid, food stamps and

welfare. tell office of economic opportunity and big labor and labor unions. now, lbj had the great society, but joe biden had build back better. and he still is working on it. the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually working what fdr started that lbj expanded on and joe biden is attempting to complete. >> my favorite part about all of this is, it seems like she is just learned that there is this guy named lyndon johnson. wait until you hear about this guy. wait until she hears how well that guy did in the 964 election when he was running on all that great society stuff. literally won the largest percentage of the popular vote in the history of presidential american elections. by all that dastardly trying to address problems related to

education and poverty and medical care. what a terrible guy. also, lyndon b. johnson was the majority leader in the senate. does that sound familiar? joe biden is not the majority leader. congresswoman greene spent this weekend trying to horrify her audience by telling them democrats, like they always have, want to do practical popular things to improve people's lives. the horror. her pitch there was so unintentionally perfect that the white house today tweeted out her remarks saying, caught us! president biden is working to make life easier for hard-working families. the biden administration is lake clicking their heel together delighted with this very hey profile member of the american party attacking president biden and democrats for doing so much to give practical help to the american people, particularly

stuff they really want help with. if there is a them a, a sort of common play book in democratic governance, i think it is both defense against what republicans are trying to do, and offense on the world's most practicing things. the kinds of things joe biden wants to be known for. the kinds of things that i think today's biden era democratic party is putting up on the marquis. the idea of, you know, what government can do that helps everyone. we saw it today in a big way. j.b. pritzker announcing the biggest investment in that state's history. the largest in illinois history. it is expected to improve every aspect of transportation in that state. roads and bridges and railway and everything. it is something we've seen in very dramatic form in the state

of pennsylvania where the new democratic governor of that state, josh shapiro has earned not just bragging rights but crowing rights after dealing with a catastrophic unforeseen collapse on one of the busiest highways in the whole country. you mate remember, this was just last month. a section of i-95 in philly. right in philadelphia. was taken out after a big accident involving a gasoline tanker truck. now, at the time, this is i-95. experts said it would take months to reopen i-95. essentially this major east coast artery that serves more than 160,000 vehicles a day would be shut for months. in the end, it did not take months to repair. under pennsylvania governor josh shoe appear over, it took 12 days. it was a massive undertaking. it is nearly inconceivable that pennsylvania pulled it off.

less than two weeks after a whole section of interstate was cratered, officials had it back up and running. the play book we developed shows that americans can do big things. joining us from the great state of pennsylvania, governor shapiro, it is nice to have you here. thanks. >> great to be back with you. thanks, rachel. >> when this collapse happened, obviously there was the worry about the immediate damage and the danger and the people who were hurt by this. there was the worry about what it was going to take to put it together. i think there was broad-based, near universal perception that this was going the take more time. how were you able to do it than literally everyone expected. >> all the experts said months.

it started after our first responders in law enforcement did an incredible job of putting out the fair and saving all but one life. the trucker who, whose truck caught fire. they did an incredible job. once the fire was out, they went above the site in a helicopter, looked down and immediately working with my team came up with a plan to, in effect, fill the hole that existed in order to repave 95 over the top. it sounds simple. it was a creative solution that allowed us to move quickly, move collaboratively and get this done. get the 160,000 cars and the 114,000 trucks that navigate that roadway quickly. the creative thinking came to us in those initial moments we were on the scene after the fire was put out. >> you wrote an op-ed today, or

this weekend for the "washington post" in which up, here are lessons for u.s. infrastructure. number one, empower strong leadership. number two, speed up the bureaucracy. number three, create creativity and number four, work together. i was interested in that fourth point. particularly from a national perspective, we're used to thinking of americans being incapable of working together. particularly in a political environment. you yourself had a really divisive gubernatorial campaign to get the job now. tell me about political divides and working together and how you can get something like this done when you have split that you are? >> there is too much division today. what the american people want to see us get stuff done for them.

when you have the catastrophe like we had on 95, we realized everyone needed to come together. our state government and our unions in pennsylvania to make sure we could do that rebuild effort. we had to collaborate to make sure we got the funding and i want to thank the president for making sure all the funding we needed would be there. we had to collaborate with engineers and lawyers and others to create the the plan. importantly, we had to work the building trades had a committed to me they would work 24/7 to get this done. collaboration was key and we don't have much of that anymore. i hope this can be an example of what happens when people collaborate and come together. it has an outgrowth of that. people feel empowered. empowered to demonstrate real leadership.

so we had the foremen and forewomen who did that work. they were empowered to make decisions. we had real creativity when it came necessary to open the roadway up again. it led to creativity. the collaboration showed the bureaucracy that they could move quicker that we would have their backs. collaboration was key and it will that can he. it will be key for broad band, key to stop the leak of methane which is really leading to more and important every day. we will need to think big and bold and be creative and glen state real leadership. that's what we did. when the eyes of the nation were on us, we stepped up and delivered. demonstrating the union way of layoff can deliver. demonstrating the government can do big things and we showed that

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officially this is the tom moreland junction. it is a five level stack of interchanges where interstate 85 and 285 intersect and go about a than as. it is possible that the complexity of this intersection is about to be undone. at least, outdone as the most complicated intersection in atlanta. because tomorrow is due to be the first big pretrial hearing in former president trump's classified documents case in federal court. we're expecting the judge in that federal case to set a schedule for that federal criminal trial maybe tomorrow, or shortly there after. on top of that though, today the georgia state supreme court unanimously rejected an effort by trump to get a georgia prosecutor off his case. this was georgia district

attorney willis who has been investigating trump to overturn the results of the 2020 election in georgia. last week you may remember, she impaneled two grand juries. one of those is expected to consider the historic question of whether to indict anyone in this case, including whether to indict trump himself. willis is all but made and police that it she anticipates announcing the indictment decision sometime between the last day of this month, july 31st, and august 18th. these would be possible state level charges, possibly serious ones. but coming in from the southbound on-ramp could be federal special counsel jack smith with list own charges along the same lines. because in addition to bringing criminal charges against trump in the classified documents case, a case for which we might get a trial scheduled tomorrow, jack smith has been running this other federal investigation into trump's role in the january 6th attack and overturning the election and the whole fake

elector scheme, even his fundraising off the fake stolen auction claims. that part of smith's investigation seems like it might overlap and crisscross with the state level investigation of many of the same things that is happening in atlanta. and that raises interesting questions about timing. georgia prosecutor willis' indictment may be imminent. legal experts say if there are federal charges on a similar matter, you would expect the federal court to take precedence. but that will all come together very soon. so in terms of timing, that may come to a bumper car collision before we know it. if that's not enough. if that has you feeling like all the trump world investigations are tangled up with each other like somebody spilled spaghetti, you're not wrong. because to add further complication, it looks like there are two other states that have opened state level criminal investigations into the fake electors part of the scheme. both in michigan and arizona.

if those result in charges, well, yeah. the calendar will get complicated here. the calendar already is complicated if you are lawyering for donald j. trump and god bless you if you are. each prosecutor can pursue their investigation at their own pace. but once they put on a court, they'll have to put on a blinker and merge with all the other prosecutors. spaghetti junction just ahead. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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