would've gotten the scans and we would be telling a very different story. so i feel super grateful to be here to be able to say, talk to your doctors and go get tested. and i have mine here. >> i don't know what's going to happen. but i know that while i'm healing and while i'm resting, and while i prepped for the second surgery, everyone can go out and get their genetic testing and their families can. no because my dad is such a private person. but he said, other families shouldn't have to go through. that's if i had known i was positive i would've gotten the preventive surgery. and then i wouldn't have to be dealing with cancer. >> ask your doctor about the blockage in test. i know i'm going to. it can save your life. it's my dear friend, jill martin. i am sending you so much love. and gratitude for getting this message out. and sending her a very speedy recovery. cancer has no idea who it is up

against. joe martin is going to kick its as. and on that note, i wish you a very good and very safe night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow good evening, and thank you for being with us tonight it's very good to have you. here former president donald trump petitioned the state supreme court of georgia last week, the state of georgia to try to shut down the investigation that could result in his indictment in that state for his efforts to overturn the election results in that state. well the georgia state supreme court has just ruled tonight against him. they will do no such thing, they will not quash that investigation, the investigation will proceed. the prosecutor's not removed. a grand jury that may be asked to return an indictment against former president trump has been empaneled in georgia as of last

week. so that is all going ahead. his efforts to derail that investigation and potential prosecution failed tonight in georgia supreme court. i will also say that i'm sort of self conscious about giving you an update like that because i feel like you have to run over to your personal white board with them tax and string in order to keep track of these things. if you're starting to feel like all these stories like trump facing charges as putting together, keeping straight all the jurisdictions in which former president trump is being put on trial on criminal charges or might be first of all you do not have to be feeling embarrassed about that. you are not alone it is getting hard to keep track. and second of all we're gonna have a little bit more on that later on in the show on. that hopefully with just disentangling all his various indictments and potential indictments and how some of them may affect whether others of them may go forward. we'll have a little

disambiguation help with that coming up later on this hour tonight. also tonight we're going to be talking with pennsylvania's governor, josh shapiro. josh shapiro, as pennsylvania governor has just pulled off a carnival fee of strength. it's the gubernatorial equivalent of bench pressing a car. or winning a tug of war with an elephant, or something. governor josh shapiro just did something that nobody thought was possible in his home state of pennsylvania. he's going to be joining us live here in just a moment to talk about that. >> but we start tonight with an update on something we have been covering for a couple of weeks now. something that, i'm telling you, it's going to be the political sleeper hit of the summer. you might have seen this near time stories today. about how the leading republican presidential candidate, donald trump, and republicans more broadly have

this plan that they want to put in place if the republican party wins the presidency in 2024. they're calling it project 2025 because this is a plan that supposed to go into effect upon the integration of donald trump in 2025. either trump or some other republican gets inaugurated in january of 2025 and project 2025, thereby goes into effect. this plan is being coordinated by right wing think tank, called the heritage foundation and it is a plan to radically change the form of governance that we have in the united states. so as to concentrate all the power of the government in the hands of a single leader. quote, our current executive branch was conceived of by liberals. what is necessary is a complete system overhaul. quote, what we are trying to do is identify the pockets of

independents inside the u.s. government and sees them. sees them so there won't be any more pockets of independent power outside of the pockets -- outside of its pars by itself of the president. now as i said, they want this to be donald trump. they want him to be the guy in who's hands all this powers concentrated. but they say that they would plan to do this with any republican president. the plan is to change the structure of the u.s. government so the next president, the next republican president will take direct control of all state power. he would, for example takeover of all federal law enforcement and what not directly for its own benefit through the doj. there would be no more independent of federal law enforcement. the next president would take control of private business in this country for its own benefit through the powers of the ftc, the federal trade commission and the next president would revive an old, and i should, say a legal practice called impoundment.

which would basically take away the fundamental powers of congress and put that power to, in trump's hands. again, identified the pockets of independent and sees them. so instead of checks, balance and limited government we'd have more of a strongman system of government. we'd have a single leader, with all the power of the state. so -- personally arrogated him. no other part of the government. no other thing in the country at all would be allowed to constrain him. that sounds nice. it least sounds simple. that said, it is obviously fundamentally opposite to the whole idea of why we exist in this country in the first place. and i think that it's no surprise to see an article like, this to see reporting like this in the times today. i think everybody sort of knows that this is the american political right where the republican party has been heading in the trump era.

but still, i think the reason this reporting today is getting so much attention, and causing so much -- is because however much this might be the dream of the trump era right wing in american politics, for the most part the american people really don't want this. and so it is one thing to sort of see it hinted out in the field, like this is the kind of system they'd like to replace our system. with but there's a another thing to see it in black letter print. right? to find out that they have put a name on. it that it's a project that has an implementation date and they're getting ready. in general by enlarge the american people do not want to live under a single leader who is concentrated all power in his own hands. and nothing constraints. him and nothing else matters, other than its own winds and preferences and grudges. you don't want to live in a country under a leader like, that who is a good guy. let alone a later like that who is a bad guy. you don't have to be a civics

storm to know that you don't want that. and i think, by, enlarged the american people really don't. but here is the thing, while that is the vision at the top for the american political right in the trump era, that is what they want for their national leader. that is what they want the american presidency to become, it is also their broader project for what they think of governance. if you just go down a step or two from their strongman vision for their guy at the very top, they're also getting very big ideas about what to do with their power in the states right now. this is not something they need a project 2025. for that is not something that they have to wait until they hope they can oust president biden and swearing of trump or another republican president in 2025. this is something that they're doing, now and this is something that i say why it's the political sleeper issue of the summer. just one week ago, here on the

show we reported that the republican attorney general of tennessee was seizing private, unredacted medical records of people in tennessee. so you go to the doctor, you have an expectation that your health care experience is private and that your medical records are confidential. but in tennessee, families recently got a notice from the vanderbilt university medical center telling them that their personal, unredacted, individual medical records had been taken by the state attorney general. these records were seized without the consent of these patients without any way to opt. out he just took them. and his office still has them. he's had them for months. now, in tennessee like in every state where republicans are in power, republicans in that state have been going after trans people and the medical records, the tennessee republican attorney general

confiscated word from trans people, and other people who attended the clinic in tennessee that provides gender affirming care. that this point some of you are watching me right now are thinking, that's what this is. this is one of those things about trans gender affirming care. that is probably thinking that's too bad for trans people in tennessee. i wouldn't wish that on anyone but yes we know the republicans are coming after those people. that's bad for them but it's not really a surprise. this is kind of a niche story. alas, actually, it turns out that once you convinced yourself that you have the right to go take the private medical records of people that you've decided are bad people want to have decided that you have the right to go take the private medical records of people because you think they don't actually have the right to make their own decisions for their own lives and their own health care and therefore they

don't have any legitimate expectation of privacy expectation of protection from you and one save decided that you've got that kind of power or you've got those kind of right well it's amazing how far and how fast those feelings will take you. so it was just a week ago that we covered tennessee's republican attorney general seizing the private medical records of trans people in that state. well here's the lead in the breaking news story in the tennessee newspaper tonight. tennessee's attorney general wants the state to be able to investigate and compel information on out of state abortions. these are your private medical records. they are taking them already from trans people in tennessee, and now they want to take them from any tennessee woman who has had an abortion in another state. in another state, yes if you live in tennessee and you need to get an abortion, well, republicans haven't student an

abortion ban in tennessee. so you can't get on in tennessee anymore. you will need to travel out of state. but tennessee's republican attorney general, now said he intends to effectively follow you out of state to get your medical records to see if you got an abortion somewhere else. even the state where it's illegal. that's the tennessean tonight. and look it's also in kentucky. tonight in the louisville kerrville journal, the kentucky general wants kentuckians out of state abortion records to be available to authorities. it is not just tennessee, it's also kentucky. and look here it is in arkansas to today in the arkansas times. arkansas attorney general wants to know about your out of state abortion and it's happening with the republican attorney general in arkansas to. and look, here tonight here it is in georgia. georgia attorney general here it is in mississippi.

mississippi attorney general and this is from mississippi today. a nonprofit news organization which was actually first to bring the headline the mississippi general wants to make it available to mississippi. mississippi has banned abortion. there's no abortion clinic left to mississippi. if you live in mississippi, and we need to get an abortion you will need to figure out how to get yourself out of mississippi and into a state where you can legally get one. but the republicans and state governor in mississippi say that they will effectively follow you out of the state by virtue of the fact that you are a mississippi resident, sorry. they now claim the right to seize your medical records from a clinic in new york. or in illinois. or wherever else you go. they claim the right to follow you there and take your private medical records from their for their own law enforcement purposes. and i just showed you headlines from mississippi kentucky

tennessee arkansas and georgia. but it is actually 19 different states of republican officials going for the snow. 19. republican attorney generals in 19 states have signed on to a letter to the biden administration. saying that they want the right to go after women's private medical records anywhere in the country. including all the states where abortionists eagle. they want to follow the residents all. over the country to see if that women might be getting the abortion. or some other kind of reproductive care, anywhere. they want the records. and they claim the right to go get them. alabama alaska arkansas georgia, idea, indiana kentucky, mississippi. missouri montana nebraska, north dakota, south carolina, south dakota tennessee, texas utah. republican attorney generals in all of these states have sent this letter to the biden administration. all about their right as we see it to get your private medical

records. and they made it for women getting an abortion or potentially facility treatment or any kind of reproductive care potentially contraceptive. and yes potentially gender affirming care of any kind. they claim the right to go take your private medical records to see what you're up to with that kind of care. no matter where you have gone to get. how can you get away from something like this? i mean if this is what they say they want to do and it is hard to get away from? the reason they've written to the biden administration saying that they claim this right is because the biden administration said they should not have the right to do this. the biden administration is trying to assert federally that attorneys generals from states where abortions are banned can't follow the residents to other states to see if they're getting band care from someplace where it's illegal. we're on those efforts to protect this at the federal

level from the biden administration, we also start to see blue states. it's like new york and washington state that have also passed state laws saying that nobody should be able to get private medical records like this. just because you've been abortion in your state, doesn't mean you can effectively enforce it in mine. by his 19 republican states. 19 republican state attorney general saying they're going for. and maybe they already are. one reporter, joe sankaran the louisville courier journal today asked the kentucky attorneys general if they have already pursued private medical records from kentucky women who had medical treatment in other states the attorney general didn't give joe sunk an answer. he said he has not heard back from the attorney general's office about this. which leaves open the possibility that maybe they are already doing. this maybe they already trying or getting these medical records. they used to say that the republican party was the party

of limited government. this is a lot of things. but it's not that. joining us now is the president of pro-choice america. and it really good to see you. thank you very much for being here. thank you for having me. >> i want to start with this letter from the 19 republican attorneys generals. they're writing to the biden administration why, why have they said and taken this on of the matter that they need to take up with the federal government. you know the republican aides have been increasingly extremists. there's some of the most egregious offenders of our fundamental freedoms from the freedom to vote to reproductive freedom. it is not shocking that as they're losing the public opinion war on abortion, they are pivoting and trying to conflate a gender affirming care intact with abortion care. you know we know that the opponents for reproductive freedom on abortion access are the same as the opponents of

gender affirming care, the lgbtq+ and trans communities. we know this because we know where the dark money is coming, from what we know who the organizers are behind this. there's not a legislation and this all kind of started with texas, already my home state which established a vigilante mechanism right. and really encourage citizens to spy and report texans who left the state to have abortions and when you have organized entities with extremist organizations like society, christian away to life they are literally disseminating model legislation and tactics within the ags and between the legislature so it's not shocking that our sense of this is that they are losing the public opinion war on abortion. they are desperate to win back power and, in mississippi we know that we have folks, the a.g. is currently up for

reelection and she's going to be in a tough race. this is them fearmongering against some of the most vulnerable americans to try to score points and their increasingly desperate base. >> so we started covering the story, when we learned about it in tennessee. one family's in tennessee got notified by vanderbilt center much to there -- the medical center felt compelled to hand over people's medical records and demanded them. families didn't find out that the medical records had actually gone to the office until months after they had already been handed over, which i think was very stressing to a lot of these families. but it raises very practical questions, immediately. one is what can medical providers do to protect the privacy of their patients. both in republican-controlled states, where there may be bans on the kind of health care that we're talking about here. but also in blue states, where these things are legal, and

people should be able to obtain this kind of medical care without government intrusion. the what can people themselves do? to try to protect themselves if attorney generals and all of the states. i mean 19 states are saying that people's private medical information like this is fair game. >> so i think you alluded to it before. the biden administration proposed this role in response to an active public comment period. but also the white house led by the gender policy council has done 40 plus meetings with abortion providers, activists, patience in tough states like idaho and missouri. they have been soliciting feedback from a.g.'s and they have known for a long time that this is what streets were trying to do. the reporting gave they have been tracking this which is also why the u.s. senate last year catherine cortez led by kathryn cortez also tried to pass legislation that would

protect them from crossing state lines. now what can folks do in the states where there's 80s are threatening their bodily autonomy and their freedom? they have to, frankly the best choices to fight back at the ballot box. we have to get more activist about removing extremist agencies. some of the most forward attorney generals are now the governors in states that are doing the most advance work of reproductive care and we're talking about having governor shapiro on and he is a former a.g.. or nor he gia former a.d.. i hate to make it political. but it is political. we have to organize reproductive freedom voters to your point earlier in the show. reproductive freedom voters have to become supporters of the broad range for everybody. for our lgbtq brothers and sisters. the other course of action that folks can take is to challenge these bills and these lost in the court. and a lot of our colleagues are working on litigation.

>> many tomorrow's president of the pro-choice america. thank you very much for making time this evening. this is a story that i think it's going to get more attention in days ahead. it's helpful to have you here. >> thank you. >> i should say that when the biden administration announced that this role was to try and prevent effectively republican attorney generals, and republican-controlled states from chasing the residents around the, state going after their medical from chasing the residents around the country and going after their medical records, they put out a statement saying that your conversations with your doctor and your decisions about reproductive health care, including abortion care is your own business and no one else is and i remember that when they put out that statement at the, time i remember thinking at the time, yes that is the obvious bottom line from which we all proceed here. it's not the obvious sign from which 19 republican states are proceeding now. it's incredible that this is

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was he like him or not florida's republican governor ron desantis has a presidential campaign that i think everybody embellish is admonishes it is not going well. couple of months and many of millions of dollars in assisting already, he is right now trailing former president donald trump by over 30 points in the polls. he did not think it was going to go that way or maybe would've gotten him in the first place. and now that the first son raising numbers around four's campaign headlines for desantis keep getting worse by the day. like these, can pat us so head -- i have some flashing warning signs, desantis fires roughly a dozen staffers in campaign shake up. while his presidential campaign is going poorly, spare a thought for the governor as to

his day job which is arguably going worse and his presidential campaign. and his day job being governor of florida that has been going poorly at stuff that is sort of lower profile but perhaps more unnerving. take for example the fact that florida is experiencing its first cases of malaria in a couple of decades. under desantis the top relevant jobs are vacant in the public health agency that's responsible for detecting and preventing the spread of diseases like malaria. so that's a bad time for their new lead to be of milleron florida. also the exodus of insurance companies in florida which means increasing number of that states residents are losing very basic things like current shirts and home insurance. it's not just because of national natural disasters, is because of state policies related to insurance that insurance companies they say are forcing them out. democratic lawmakers in the state say they've been trying to get desantis to focus on a

solution, to try to get insurance companies in this state and to keep insurance premiums from skyrocketing. they say he's too distracted by his war on woke and by his failing presidential bid to do much of anything about it. there's also desantis's weird recent effort to create his own militia, something called the florida state guard, which is different from the national guard, which can be called federally, a florida state car would answer only to him. the miami herald has some amazing new reporting about the guards leaders and recruits quitting in disgust, including one recruit describing it as quote a military fantasy camp. then there's the stuff desantis is doing where you really can't improve on a headline like this one. desantis signs florida bill allowing radioactive roads made of potential cancer causing mining waste. what could go wrong?

yeah, -- is the next thing people will say is i want him in charge of the whole country as well? even the big political stance that ron desantis has been so excited about and is so eager to promote, those have been not turning it well for him recently either. like for example, his much heralded fight against disney. however much he likes to crow about that, that is now resulted in a major lawsuit against him by disney which is the states largest employer. and of course, there is this ongoing service where he sensed undocumented immigrants by the plane on busload to liberal cities and towns, dropping these people off without any plan, without any resources, without any preparation for their arrival because ha, that will show those northern liberals. ron desantis is the one who started this last year by sending flights of people to martha's vineyard off the coast of massachusetts.

flights filled with migrants and asylum seekers. he went actually filmed them in texas and that paid millions of dollars to put them on charter flights at taxpayer expense to send them up to massachusetts. since then florida republican lawmakers have given desantis over 20 million more dollars to do more of this. and ron desantis is clearly gleeful about doing this to these poor people. he thinks this is an off awesome political stunt. but there's reason to believe the may not turn out well for him either. in the texas county where desantis had those migrants picked up and sent to martha's vineyard, the sheriff in that county is filed criminal charges with a local district attorney. now the chef is not said who is recommending to be charged, but the case does include felony counts for the coercion of the men, women and children who were lied to an order to get them on to those planes. the other reason this may not turn out well for desantis is that stunts like this never

turned out well, and we know this because you're not the first person to have done this. today we just posted an episode of data news, our new podcast about this exact same stunt being tried by conservatives in the south in the early 1960s. then it was southern southern graciousness who are matt northern liberals for advocating for civil rights and the southern segregationists decide they would take those northern elites a lesson by putting people on passes, putting poor african americans on buses and driving them up north, dropping them on liberals doorsteps in places like massachusetts and in new york. sending people up there by lying to them, sending them up there with no money, no resources, no plan and no warning for the place they were about to arrive. now the reason many of us have not heard the story about what southern conservatives did in

1962 is that the whole thing was so cruel and so shameful that even in a civil rights cauldron of cruelty in those fights in 1962, the students were seen as too cruel. it collapsed under the weight of public denunciations even from the white south, and everyone wanted to forget about as soon as possible so the whole thing was memory halted. in other words, and went very poorly for the guys who did this before ron desantis did this. i'm guessing he might not know that, but it's in this week's episode of deja news which is out now. if you want to listen to you can scan this code in your screen, use your phone camera and click the little box and we'll take you right to it. or a concert where every yet your podcasts. it's called rachel maddow presents deja news. free to listen. we'll be right back. l be right back. about my family history. with ancestry i dug and dug

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is of a high-profile for a far-right republican congressman her name is marjorie taylor greene. this is her speaking at a conservative public conference this weekend. the clip i'm about to show you is an edited, it is not doctored in any way. >> lyndon b. johnson is very similar to joe biden. how are they the same? they are both democrats socialists. lyndon b. johnson was the majority leader in the senate.

does that sound familiar? he was vice president to kennedy. joe was vice president to obama. he was appointed as the president after jfk was assassinated then he was elected. is big socialist programs where the great society. the great society were big government programs to address education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, transportation, medicare, medicaid, food stamps and welfare. the office of economic opportunity and big labor and labor unions. now, lbj had the great society but joe biden had build back better and he is still working on it. the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually finishing what fdr started and lbj expanded on and joe biden is attempting to complete.

>> my favorite part of all of this is it seems like she's just learned that there is this guy named lyndon johnson. wait till you hear about this guy! wait till she hears how well that guy did in the 1964 election when he was running all that great society stuff. literally one of the largest percentage of the popular vote in the history of american presidential elections. while all that dastardly trying to address problems related to education, poverty and medical care. what a terrible guy. also lyndon b. johnson was in the jordy leader in the senate. does that sound familiar? joe biden is not the majority leader. congresswoman greene spent this weekend trying to horrify her audience by telling them that democrats like they always have want to do practice to practical popular things to

improve peoples lives. the horror. her pitch there was so unintentionally perfect that the white house today tweeted out her remarks saying quote promise president biden is working hard to make life easier for hardworking families. the biden administration is clicking their heels together delighted with his very high-profile member of the republican party attacking president biden and democrats for doing so much to give practical help to the american people, particularly stuff they will really want help with. if there is a theme a common playbook undemocratic governments right now, i think it is both defense against what republicans are trying to do and offense on the world's most practical things. the kinds of things joe biden really wants to be known for. the kinds of things i think today's biden era democratic party is putting up on the

marquee. the idea of what government can do that helps everyone. we saw today in a big way in illinois. illinois democratic governor j.d. sports are just announcing the biggest infrastructure and investment in that state's history. the largest multi year repair program in illinois history, it's expected to rip -- >> roads and bridges in aviation and everything. it's also something we've also seen in very dramatic form in the state of pennsylvania with, a new democratic governor of that state josh shapiro's earned not only bragging lights but crowing rights after dealing with a catastrophic, unforeseen collapse on one of the biggest and busiest highways in all the country. you might remember this was just last month a section of i-95 right in philadelphia, was taken out after a big accident involving a gasoline tanker truck. now, at the time this is i-95!

experts said it would take months to reopen i-95. essentially this major east coast artery that serves more than 160,000 vehicles a day would be shot for months. in the end, it did not take months to repair. under pennsylvania governor josh shapiro it took 12 days. it was a massive undertaking, it is nearly inconceivable that pennsylvania pull it off but less than two weeks after a whole section of interstate was broken, they had it up and running. a new op-ed for the washington post, governor shapiro says that the playbook that we developed shows in american's two big things again. joining us now as a democratic governor of the great state of pence joshua pirro. it's great to have you here thanks. >> great to be back with you thanks rachel. >> when this collapse happened,

there was worry about the immediate danger and the people who are hurt by this. there was the worry about what it was going to take to put it together, but i think there was broad based near universal perception that this was going to take months, that there was no and run around us to do it faster. how are you able to do with so much faster than literally everybody expected? >> all the experts said months. i can tell you rachel, it started after our first responders a lot enforcement today an incredible job of putting at the fire and saving all but one life, the trucker whose truck caught fire, they didn't credible job and once that fire was out, actually i actually went above the site and in a helicopter look down. immediately working with my team came up with a plan to in effect fill the hole that existed in order to repave 95

over the top. it sounds simple but it was a creative solution that allowed us to move quickly, move collaboratively and get this done. get 160,000 cars 14,000 trucks the navigate that road every single day moving quickly again. we were able to move quickly by virtue of creative thinking, and that sort of came to us in those initial moments we were on the scene after the fire was put out. >> you wrote an op-ed this weekend for the washington post in which he said, here are lessons for u.s. infrastructure. number one, empower strong leadership, number to speed up the bureaucracy, and the three encourage creativity and number four, work together. i'm really interested in that fourth point >> yeah. >> because particular from a national perspective, we are used to thinking of americans of being incapable of working

together, particularly in a political environment. you yourself had a really divisive gubernatorial campaign to get the job you have now, knew he fought republicans towards control of the state senate. tell me about political divides and working together and how you can get something like this done when you do have split power. >> look, there is too much division in our politics today and it holds us back. i think what the american people is that one is that people come together and get stuff done for them. when you have a catastrophe like we had a 95, we recognize everyone needed to come together. the private sector, and the state government and importantly our unions in pennsylvania to make sure that we could do that rebuild effort. we had to collaborate to make sure we got the funding. i want to thank the president for making sure that all the funding we needed was going to be there. we have to collaborate with engineers and lawyers and others to create the plan. and importantly we had to collaborate with the

philadelphia building trades who committed to me that they would work 24/7 in order to get this job done. collaboration was key and unfortunately we don't have too much of that in our politics today. i hope this can be an example of the good, practical things it can happen when people collaborate, when they come together. collaboration also has an outgrowth of that. that is, the people feel empowered. empowered to demonstrate real leadership. so we had the foreman, the four women who are on that road doing the work, they were empowered to make big choices, or big decisions. we had we'll creativity when it came to solutions that we're going to be necessary to open our roadway up again. that collaboration led to creativity. the collaboration showed the bureaucracy that they could move quicker, that we were going to have their backs and that we were going to be able to get through this together. so collaboration was key and it's going to be key if we're

going to rebuild america's infrastructure. it's gonna be key to lay broadband, it's gonna be key to cap wells and stop the leak of methane which is really leading to more and more climate change every single day. we are gonna need to collaborate in this country again and think big and bold and be creative and demonstrate real leadership. that's what we did here in pennsylvania when the eyes of the nation rawness, we stepped up and we delivered, demonstrating that the union way of life can deliver, demonstrated the government can still do big things. we show that here in pennsylvania. >> that's one thing to say, it's another thing to show it, and yet another thing to have people driving on it. months before they ever thought they'd be able to. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, congratulations of this. thank you for telling the country that has happened, so we can help tell the story, the congratulations also and getting it done. >> thank you so much rachel. >> all right, we'll be right back, stay with us. ck, stay with us

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atlanta. because tomorrow is due to be the first pretrial hearing in former president trump's classified documents case in federal court. we are expecting the judge in that federal case to set a schedule for that federal criminal trial may be tomorrow or sometime shortly thereafter. on top of that though, today the georgia state supreme court unanimously rejected an effort by trump to get a georgia prosecutor off his case. this is georgia district attorney fani willis investigating efforts by trump to overturn the results of the 2020 election in georgia. last week you may remember, she panel to grand jury is, one of those grandeur is expected to consider the historic question of whether to indict anyone in this case, including whether to indict trump himself. willis has all but made explicit that she intends announcing the grand jury's decision sometime between the last day this month july 31st and august 18th. as would be possible state

level charges, potential serious ones. coming in from the south band auto ramp could be federal special counsel jack smith with his own charges along the same lines. because in addition to bringing criminal charges against trump in the classified documents case, a case that we might get a trial schedule tomorrow, jack smith is also been running this also other federal investigation into trump's role of the january 6th attack and overturn the results of the election in the, whole fake electors scheme, and the fund raising of the big stolen election claims. that part of smith's investigation seems like it may overlapping crisscross with the state level investigation of many of the same things that are happening in atlanta. that raises interesting questions about timing. georgia prosecutor fani willis 's indictment really may be intimate imminent. legal experts say if there are federal charges on a similar matter we would expect the federal court to take

precedence but that's all going to come together very soon. so just in terms of timing that may come to a bumper car collision before we know it. and that's not enough, that has you feeling that all the trump world investigations indictments are tangled up like a g with each other like some people spaghetti, and not wrong. to add further complication, and now looks like there are two other states that are opening state level investigations in the fake electors part of the scheme. both in michigan and in arizona. those result in charges, well yeah. the calendar is going to get complicated here. the calendar already is complicated if you are learning for donald j trump and got bless you if you are. each individual prosecutor can pursue their investigation at their own pace, but once they decide to go to court, they are going to have to put on a blinker and merge with all the other prosecutors. spaghetti junction just ahead. we will be right back.

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