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>> good evening and welcome to joe scarborough presents. as we move closer to the primaries, donald trump remains the dominant front-runner, according to the morning consult tracker. he is nearly 40 points ahead of his closest rival, florida governor ron desantis. and there is real apprehension about what a second trump term might look like. this morning, the new york times published a frightening article that gives us the best look at how far donald trump may go with his obsession with authoritarians and personal political loyalty. according to the times, trump and his enablers plan to, quote, alter the balance of power by increasing the presidents authority over every part of

the federal government. if trump wins, they plan on stacking the government with trump loyalists, regardless of their personal or professional limitations. it's going to look a lot more like 2019 than 2017. they will bring independent agencies like the fcc and the ftc, quote, under direct presidential control. the times reports the ex president wants to revive the practice of impounding funds, a nixonian practice of refusing to spend money congress has appropriated for programs the president doesn't like. kind of like not giving ukraine weapons after congress authorizes it. and trump intends to strip employment protections from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to fire them if they are deemed obstacles to the trump agenda. it's a move that could undermine confidence in the civil service system while consolidating power in the white house in a way we've never seen. for more on this frightening

development, we are joined by the host of inside with jen psaki, jen psaki. princeton university professor eddie cloud junior, and special correspondent for vanity fair, molly -- eddie, let me start with you. there was a time when i was a republican that we would say, the government, the governs least governs best. what we have here is a convergence, isn't? it a time where actually authoritarians are coming together under the brand, the republican party brandt. >> because even, joe, when republicans were saying governments that governs least governs best, and they were still putting the argument for an imperial presidency, when we think about next, and the scope of executive power that informed not only -- not simply about breaking into the opponents headquarters, it's also about the scope of what the president can do. >> what about bush 41? bush 41's bill barr, supposed to be a safe pick. he comes in and he believes in

the imperial presidency. trump believes in the imperial presidency. suddenly it's okay for donald trump. he starts thinking to arrest joe biden two weeks before the election and he orders barr to do it. >> unchecked presidential power. unchecked executive power. that, i think, informs this interesting moment of conversion, as you rightly described. >> well, actually you told me before the show, but yes please, give me the credit. >> it's not just about trump about a bad actor, someone not committed to the norms that govern our society. it's also that corporate interests, about deregulation. it's about deconstructing the administrative state. even folks who think he's a grift or, even folks who understand him to be a bad actor will support him because here we have these -- >> you are talking about the convergence, it's not just trump. i want to talk about how this

is also money for trump. but first, let's talk about another republican. you look at the top two republicans right, now the two republican leaders, let's throw a bit in there as well. you have these people, these authoritarian impulses. we would also say conservatives, the government that is closest to the people, that is the best government. suddenly, you have abbott and other republican governor saying, we will actually stop local control. it's in conflict with what the central state does, no, we are against that. if you look at the so-called free state of florida, they have a -- i have a very good friend i've known for years that has worked for the florida republican party that said to me this past weekend, the free state of florida? what is free about it? if you are the tampa bay rays, a baseball team, and you tweet sympathy about children gunned down in uvalde, ron desantis says he will use the state to punish you. if you are disney, the largest employer in the state, ron 'm going to punish you because you want to celebrate diversity.

if you are a cruise line and you go, actually, i don't know, you want to keep your business open, so you want to have safeguards during the height of the pandemic, ron desantis says no. if you are a small business owner, the republicans, when i was republicans we were supposed to like small business owners, he wouldn't let small business owners past safety mandates during the height of covid. i mean, this guy is a top down centralized state authoritarian. it's what trump is talking about being. shock of all shocks, these republicans are hypocrites. it is not the free state of florida. it is not the first date of trump. it is just the opposite. it's top down, centralized government. >> exactly. also rhonda scent is has given an entire speech and talked openly on the trail about how he wants to go past article two

and expand presidential power beyond what it's ever happened in the past. he was almost for that on the campaign trail before trump was for it. but to your point that you started with, republicans have historically been for smaller government, less role of government in peoples lives. and it is the opposite right now. what we are talking about right now is centralizing power in a way that will allow them to have greater control over everybody's lives. >> by the way, again, for people who have not followed closely in the past, when i get the congress, we all said, let's take as much money, power, and authority down to the local level as possible. that was an obsession. it is just the opposite now. i, mean anne applebaum with her book about the death of democracy, the twilight of democracy, described this. this is happening in hungary with orban. it's exactly what donald trump is talking about. >> just on the finances piece, this is an obsession of mine, donald trump, you think ftc, fcc, you mentioned this in the opening, people may think that doesn't matter, what is of concern is he can pardon himself.

that is definitely of concern. but also what he is talking about here and what that article outlined in a frightening way, donald trump could have control over regulating companies, making it better for some companies and harder for others. he can have political -- >> -- >> yes. he can target people he doesn't like politically. he can also target companies to hurt them for his own financial benefit. >> do you, know molly, ceos in the state of florida are horrified, horrified that ron desantis is going to come after them. if they do anything that comes close to being inclusive. like chick-fil-a, and they are even going after chick-fil-a now, i don't know if you guys saw this segment, it was basically like we will be nice to people. we are going to want -- we want everybody to feel welcome if they work for chick-fil-a or come to

chick-fil-a. certain -- suddenly, they are on the hit list. >> this is the legacy of trumpism, right? it's this crony capitalism. this lack of belief in real free markets. you see it again and again. trump put his finger on the scale all the time. and also, you are seeing the lack of regulation play out. i mean, you are seeing it concretely. we are seeing trained or ailments. we really have seen this happen. nobody cares about regulation until there are accidents and spills. i think it is really important to remind viewers about that. that is really a big deal. >> you are so right. this is crony capitalism. the rich are getting richer. i, mean the monopolies. i always said this story about during covid i had a friend who called me up who has a lot more money than i do, he goes, you need to invest in the stock market. i said, i don't do that, i'm dumb, i lose money, i put it under my bed. i go, but what stocks would you invest in? he goes, invest in the monopolies. i go, the monopolies?

he was dead serious. the monopolies. google, microsoft, apple, facebook. he went down the line. like, they don't regulate monopolies. they love the richest people in america not pay taxes. the richest multinational corporations. this has nothing to do with free markets. this has nothing to do with giving small businesses starting entrepreneurs a fair and free chance. it's about helping the richest 0. 001%. >> the donor class. you saw this in wisconsin with ron johnson. he had this massive reelection and was working on these tax benefits for wisconsin. we've seen this everywhere. it is really quid pro quo. it's totally disgusting. also, if we will talk about this, we should talk about how members of congress and members of the senate should not be trading stocks.

because that is such a conflict. >> and i don't know, i don't know, called meal fashion, but if you are sitting on the supreme court of the united states of america, you should at least report hanging out with billionaires and have cases that come before the supreme court. really quickly, you said something really fascinating before we went on the year. you said trump world was thrilled with its horrifying times piece. why? >> i think they like strength. i think it makes them look strong. i think there are people, they just want him to win. again, it is like this adam piece.

the cruelty is the point, right? they don't care about the legislative priorities. and they are not policy people. and they just want to win. if their guy feels like he is powerful and he wants to win, i think that is what they respond to. >> there is such a disconnect here. he lost in 2017. 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022. they are still losing in 2023. you look at wisconsin, i really think that the two greatest political earthquakes over the past couple years have been kansas and wisconsin. the supreme court race there, it was supposed to be neck and neck and it's not like conservatives weren't saying this is the most important race in wisconsin in years.

and they get crushed. >> here's where i think sometimes we lose the threat. trump is not running because he cares about policy. he is running because he wants to prevent himself from going to jail and pardoning himself, potentially. he's also running to maybe pad his pockets. that is why he is running, it seems. he's not deeply steeped in policy. he is not showing a real desire and passion about policy issues. and then there is just a team of people going along with. when this new york times story pointed out the fact that what we saw in areas of the trump turn, what we've seen in the campaign so far is people who are following along to get along, going along to get along. they are not going to stop him from abusing power, from expanding power, from using the fcc to manipulate help companies, hurt others, et cetera. >> hold it right there. you brought up something i want us to get into. we will go to you next because you talked about what is happening in georgia before we came on the air. it is so obvious. donald trump understands, i mean, even people that have been like kissing up to him for years have said that if he is guilty on one count, that's basically a life sentence,

right? so he's got to win the next election. he is all in. when he wins, he's got to consolidate power, the authoritarian, or else. and we will talk about that also. we will also be talking about what's happening in georgia, what may be happening in new jersey as we are talking about indictments when we return.

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street journal -- >> i don't want to hear you say that. >> written by cameron mick warner. i think jen wulf. really a profile of fani willis. in some ways, it describes her as a no nonsense prosecutor, a workaholic. she didn't go into the specifics of the case. let's just say this. she was clear that she's coming with everything. all the receipts. and for the wall street journal to end this piece by saying, donald trump's people should be aware of who she is and they should be concerned. >> there are so many reasons to be concerned, molly, right? it's a state case. donald trump tried to pardon himself, we don't know if he will be able to do that or not if he gets back in the white house. i doubt he will be able to. but even if he could, can't do it in a state case like georgia. >> he also has new york state. he also has all of these --

the e. jean carroll case. he has a lot of legal problems, which is why he is running for president. remember, he declared early because he thought it might prevent him from getting prosecuted. i do wonder for him, you know, i wonder if he will keep going with this. what is interesting to me about him on biden's he is saying the same things about biden he said about hillary clinton. >> right. >> right? like, he led chants about lock her up about hillary clinton. it is just beyond -- >> you know who else did? general michael flynn. what happened to him? lying to the fbi. i mean, it's incredible, isn't it? as highlands a, it's either confession or projection. that seems to be exactly what's happening with donald trump. you look at hillary clinton, they always said lock her up, lock her up, lock her up.

they are saying that about biden, the so-called biden crime family. they've got nothing on anybody. they never have. like we always say on the show, if hunter has done something wrong, charge him send him to jail. right. the trump appointed prosecutor. but again, speaking of trump prosecutors, donald trump was president from 2017 to 2021. he didn't bring any charges against hillary clinton, did he? that was his justice department that kept saying, there is nothing there. >> yeah. if i were sitting on the trump team right now doing communications, let's say, the thing that would also make me nervous is, remember in the weeks leading up to the mar-a-lago indictment, and we were all talking about how horrible it is to mistreat

classified information, we've seen the reporting. and then the indictment came out and it was shockingly worse. >> it was so much worse! >> it was so much worse. >> nuclear secrets! >> nuclear secrets. 31 specific code clearances, et cetera. the legal process, we will see what happens in the georgia case and what jack smith has on january 6th, has been working as it should. meaning, yes, there is excellent reporting. but most of it is not leaking out of these prosecutors offices. so if they move forward, we learned a great deal more than we do before. i had interviewed jamie raskin last week and he said, i'm interested in hearing what jack smith has about these high-level conversations because we didn't have time to get to that level of detail. and they did a lot of the january 6th committee.

my point is, indictments, if they are coming, are going to have a lot more detail, they will give us a lot more information. and in all likelihood, the past president of the last two or examples. >> isn't it fascinating we have the mueller report, the two impeachments, the people went away from it going, hillary gets away with it, it never turns out what it was advertised. it seems with these prosecutors, these federal prosecutions especially, it's always worse than we imagined. and you look at georgia, i suspect, remember the grandeur that went around on her victory tour afterwards, what she was saying suggests not just donald trump but a lot of people have reasons -- >> remember, fani willis put in a record requests to all the judges to clear your dockets during these days. because a whole bunch of people will be circulating through the

fulton county courthouse. >> this is a crazy thing. let's just circle back to where we began with authoritarianism, strong leaders. this republican party is supposed to be the law and order party. law and order, law and order. they are supposed to be -- you know, the republicans used to always rail against the church commission, whale against hippies against the fbi and against the military. they've become these trumpers have become these authoritarians have become everything that they hated. >> what we've seen is trump consolidate power in the republican party. he tried to install loyalists, which is what we saw with the senate races, right? he put his people in. a lot of his people could not get elected. herschel walker. i mean, the very few -- j. d. vance, right, in ohio, in the really red state of ohio managed to get elected. >> dr. oz got elected -- await, i'm sorry. the gubernatorial government we -- didn't work either, did it? >> he's trying to consolidate power and it hasn't worked because trumpism doesn't scale. now we are going to see if he can win back the white house. >> trumpism doesn't scale. that's a perfect way to put it. molly, thank you so much for joining us. greatly appreciated. with jen and eddie, stick around, we will be right back. we will take you behind the scenes of christopher nolan's oppenheimer, a film that will be the summer's biggest blockbuster.

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across america, right? the sweltering summer nights of my childhood always bring back memories, like walking into a movie theater with high school friends and watching summer classics like, i don't know,

jaws, steven spielberg's 1975 classic. one of my favorite summer movies of all-time, 1981's raiders of the lost ark. of course, forrest gump came along in 1994, that classic. or marvel universe's smashed box office hit that my kids and i went to see together. the avengers, that was way back in 2012. the theater experience meant more than relief from the heat. it brought us together as communities, especially in small town venues, for a shared purpose, laughter, gasps, as billy joel one, said to covid dealt a blow to this cherished -- tradition, shattered the unity of these shared experiences. but filmmakers want you to know that they are back. along with the summer blockbuster. one of hollywood's most gifted directors, christopher nolin, has put together his latest movie, oppenheimer, with a clear message in mind. the cinematic experience is back and it's better than ever. it demands that the theater going public get back together and watch these movies on the grandest screen possible. oppenheimer's packed with intense and an exceptional ensemble cast.

cillian murphy is oppenheimer the renowned father of the atomic bomb, alongside matt damon, that leader of the manhattan project, emily blunt plays oppenheimer's wife, while robert downey jr. takes on the role of oppenheimer's nemesis, luis straws. this film, produced by universal pictures, the sister company of msnbc, is going to be released later this week before the actors strike started. i had a privilege of sitting down with christopher and his remarkable cast. >> this is a national emergency. we are in a race against the not sees. >> the german army is invincible. >> we have to recruit scientists. >> build a town, build it fast. >> i'm going to work here. women, children -- >> now i am become deaf, the destroyer of worlds. >> you are a man who gave them the power to destroy themselves. >> it's always a thrill when i see one of christopher's movies. there's been this incredible range. you've taken the lead, not just any lead role but the lead role

in one of the most defining figures, really, of our time. >> yeah, it was. it was an absolute gift and i didn't expect it. i know the way chris works and i know what he expects, the level he expects and the rigor he demands and the amount of preppy demands. there were so many elements to it. physicality, the voice, the kind of iconography of the pipe and even the way he walked, all these things. we just worked out the details. >> can you talk about the timeline of this movie, how accelerated? >> we had to shoot relatively quickly, but what myself in my director of photography, we figured out early on that the energy of this story all comes from the performances. so we sort of went back to an early period in our careers where there is no monitors, no play back, and no fussing around. we are really just putting the actors in the scene, experimenting with it for a couple hours and moving on to the next scene. >> i mean, we were all in the middle of the new mexican desert in this one hotel. it was awesome.

it was like summer camp because we could all have dinner together. it was very low-key. >> except for cillian. >> except for cillian. he went home and had an almond and had a bat. >> he doesn't have a lot to lose, but whatever he had -- it extremely disciplined and we invited him to dinner every night in the whole cast would go and eat and cillian would not be there. >> no. >> emily blunt said it was like summer camp. >> maybe for her. i >> was going to, say maybe for her. everybody would come together and eat at the end of the day. >> they had a few margaritas but i didn't. >> we have this guy who is brilliant and yet he meets his wife to tell him, get him there, keep fighting. seems at times his head was in the clouds. >> in terms of oppenheimer leading the manhattan project, he certainly wasn't the obvious choice. they called him the great synthesizer, oppenheimer, because there was many things he could do. you put a lot of things

together. but he was not a natural first choice. when they gave him the role, he was extraordinary. kitty saw that in him as well. >> i don't know if you can be trusted, but i know they're not sees can't. >> there is a really morally complex film. you get closer, you sort of have this sick feeling in your stomach because you know what's about to happen. >> i mean, the key thing when you study the history of the manhattan project, there are a few surprising things that come apparent. the first being it was the germans who split the adam prior to world war ii. there is a race that starts. it becomes apparent what's going to happen when they're not quest for world domination, they had to do this. before the not seized it. >> why don't you have a noble price? >> i have to be a general. >> they are making me one for this. >> general groves was the man appointed to head the manhattan project. the relationship between oppenheimer and general groves was fascinating. they were opposites and yet they acquired a mutual trust. >> the general had a really complex relationship with oppenheimer.

where oppenheimer, obviously, he was -- scientists, he wanted cooperation, international cooperation. but the general, obviously, and needed to be all about compartmentalization. talk about that friction between the two. >> obviously, you don't want this stuff getting, out you are worried about, spies russia. the scientists are taking the absolute opposite approach. there was this natural tension between the military and the scientists. groves, i think, felt like he was hurting cast have the time, just trying to keep everything where it needed to be. just logistical undertaking of making this happen was really amazing. >> and yet they figured it out. the buddy movie if that buddy movie was moving towards an atomic bomb. >> are we saying there is a chance that when we push that button we destroy the world? >> the chances are near zero. >> year zero. >> it's the theory -- >> zero would be nice. >> they figured out how to respect each other. how do appreciate each other

and like each other. >> they did. i think groves was a really sharp guy also. he went to m. i. t.. he wouldn't mind playing adult in front of the scientists. but he knew what was going on and he understood the science. really a masterful call putting him in charge of the project. >> the russians have a bomb, we are supposed to be years ahead of them but -- what were you guys doing? was its security tight? >> the story requires all of these characters, some of which are obviously household names, like cillian playing oppenheimer. and then there is the last known folks that i found really compelling as well. like getting to play strauss, who was a really fascinating american character. >> strauss was one of oppenheimer's nemesis. late 1953, luis straus, the chairman of the atomic energy commission, orchestrated robert oppenheimer's downfall because of his opposition to the building of the hydrogen bomb. >> so much of strauss's actions in that movie was driven by resentment, wasn't it?

resentment of oppenheimer. >> i think resentment underneath it. i just love the idea that a rivalry or a feeling by someone you admire can lead to the kind of actions that occur. >> so you were a biologist. >> i have graduated to high swipe. >> in the summer of 1940, kitty prune he met robert oppenheimer and they had a tense partnership. >> kitty, in the movie, the first half of the movie, you are a holding the martinis or streaming baby. but something remarkable happens in the second half. this betrayed wife becomes his fiercest defender. what a force of nature she was, considering the time. that she lived. >> i, mean she really was a monumental presence in his life and his intellectual confidant in a huge way, and not a natural mother. >> i think that was sort of obvious. take my baby, please. >> please take this child, i'm not good at this. i had a lot of empathy for that. many women who sort of went to waste at the ironing board back then, when i think she was meant for greater things and i think drove herself insane in the isolation and loneliness and living in los alamos with nothing else to do but to drink

and her children. >> it's also like living -- within the same apartment building, -- it's how emily parents in real life. >> she brings her kids -- >> the screaming child and a martini. matt, do you want to hang out? yeah. >> the detonator is charged. >> three, two, one. >> four years they were walking on what they called a gadget and all of a sudden became a weapon. it went from being something theoretical to this extraordinary weapon of mass destruction. >> the industrial mite and scientific candid -- connected here in the secret laboratory. >> i think it is cillian's ability to play the duality of the character and the fact that his intention was like dancing between raindrops at the end as this thing became bigger than him and he lost control over what happens to it, what happens to this creation now. he loses power over that. and you, do you feel for him. you've seen the trauma of living with a brain like.

that you have watched it. >> build a town, build it fast. we will let scientists bring their families, we will never be the best. >> this ambition in life was to somehow combined his passion for quantum physics with his passion for new mexico. and of course, this is how he did it. by suggesting to general groves that they should build a secret city in los alamos. >> it's a three 60 set. when i walked down it, you feel like it just hit you. the reality, they drew this town up in the middle of the desert. that's where he felt romantically attached to this place. it's amazing. that's always the case with courses films. the actor experiences the film as the character would. >> christopher, we will talk about how meticulous he was on details. i heard down to the coat and the tie that you were wearing. everything.

he liked that is a director, as far as your movements and what you do. >> even though he was sure i should be wearing this yellow tie, he was also incredibly free in his a lack of judgment about many of the other details. he said, just trust that all the details are going to be accurate and we will go for something truthful. >> i said you are holding a martini and a baby for half of the movie. ramy malik, i don't know if christopher nolan knew this or not, but he won an academy award, he held a clipboard for like two hours. >> i think just the willingness of everybody to show up and be a part of this type of excellence is what chris invites. it's what he is known for. i think all of us would've shown up to do a scene. >> his level of attention to detail is just really fun to be around. >> yeah. >> he is just so particular about everything. the research, the amount of work that has gone into the script itself. i read it, i was like this is one of the best things i've ever read in my life. >> do you think this movie is more timely now, probably, than any time since the cold war with current events? >> i mean, obviously it's entertainment. it's a big summer film, but it's a little different than the norm in that i think it

activates these constellations of existential dialogue. i mean, we are still living in the atomic age, for better or worse. >> it's quite a coincidence, this biography from 2006, walter isaacson wrote the einstein biography in 2007. and of course, the two connect throughout the movie. but the thing about walter's biography of einstein that fascinated me so much as he said, you know, einstein wasn't the greatest mathematician, he wasn't the greatest guy in the lab, but he visualized things. like that theory of relativity, he visualized lightning striking the train at the same time. and it wasn't something at the board. it was his imagination. >> -- about math, it's also about intuition, and the intuition a physicists is not entirely unrelated to the intuition of artists. that is the key to oppenheimer. it's about relatability. that's a very important part of the breakthroughs that have changed the world. >> oppenheimer was a very highly intelligent, extremely empathetic human being. he says, well, the trinity test was successful, this weapon is now going to be used on a japanese city. these poor little people are going to be the victims. >> august 6th, 1945. not a single plane carrying a

single bomb opened the age we now live in. >> after trinity and after what happened in japan, he repositioned himself afterwards to try to figure out where he stood. it's a very unusual journey to take where you -- it's really interesting to play. i think it is much more human because none of us are clear cut, definitive in what we believe to be right all of the time. >> i want to ask you, christopher, about sort of the return of the summer blockbuster. we grew up raiders of the lost ark, back to the future, ghostbusters, empire strikes back. we have really moved away from that. i got a sense yesterday, for the first time, and that this is a movie and that is really going to drop people back. >> i think there is always a wonderful place in the culture for the big screen, for oppenheimer. i chose to shoot large format film, imax film. we want to put the story on the biggest screen possible, bring people together and have them go through this man's extraordinary experiences. >> it was an extraordinary experience, an extraordinary

movie in imax. i've never seen anything like it before. eddie, this story is so compelling, you saw the peacock documentary about oppenheimer. just being moved by, obviously moved by this as well. >> i am become deaf, the destroyer of worlds. what is so striking about, it at least the documentary, is that he thought the atomic bomb, the scale of its devastation could and war as such. if we saw what we were capable of, that's why he insisted that we had to drop the bomb on a town. not often some desolate area, but on people. it is so naive. there is nothing about human history which suggests, nothing about the history of the west which suggests that the atomic bomb would be the place where we stop. that's why they went to the hydrogen bomb. he realized it immediately. >> immediately. and jen, watching this movie, there is so many things, extraordinarily compelling movie but also disturbing. one of the things i kept

thinking about as we sat there was a i technology. >> yeah. >> the fact that when the atomic age came about, the government was there, they protected americans and the world from the worst of all of this moving forward. with a. i., it is again the culture, this silicon valley trust, trust these people who are microdosing every day. >> there is an element of history that repeats itself. there is an element that teaches us. and there is moral questions about policy making. we saw that in this movie,

which i've not seen yet. i'm looking forward to seeing. a. i. is a perfect example. we will be at a point relatively soon where a. i. technology has cognitive ability beyond humans, it can start to make decisions beyond being directed by humans. and that should scare people. it can also do wonderful things, solve health problems. but it can end up in the hands of bad actors. and there are big moral questions there. this whole solution of, it's, fine let it be free in the world, and there is big consequences and repercussions. >> watching this movie, it's what you couldn't escape. you will be hearing more of my interviews with christopher nolan and the cast of oppenheimer all week on morning joe. again, the movie opens

nationwide in theaters only on friday. still ahead, we saw recently marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert yelling at each other on the house floor. republican on republican screaming. and now some colleagues say that the tension between the two may actually turn violent. [laughter] my latest on that feud, next.

and he realized it immediately. >> watching this movie just, again, there's so many things that was extraordinarily compelling but also disturbing. and one of the things i kept thinking about was that we sat there with a.i. technology. >> yeah. >> and the fact that when the atomic gate came about, the government was there and they protected americans of the world from the worst of all of this moving forward. but with a.i. it is just sort of, again, the culture in silicon valley's trust. trust these people who are microdosing of a day. >> there is an element of history that repeats itself. there is an element of history that teaches us. there's more questions about policy making. we saw that. we saw that in the movie. which i have not seen yet. i'm looking forward to seeing. a.i. is a perfect example,

we're going to be at a point where a.i. technology cut out this cognitive ability beyond humans to start to make decisions beyond the directed -- that could scare people. it could also do wonderful things. solve health problems. but it could end up in the hands of bad actors. and they're a big moral questions there. so this whole solution of it is fine, let it be free in the world, there is big consequences and repercussions. >> and while watching this movie it's what you couldn't escape. you're gonna hear more with christopher nolan the cast of oppenheimer all week this weekend on morning joe. and, again the movie opens nationwide in theaters only on friday. still ahead, you saw recently marjorie taylor greene and lauren boebert yelling at each other on the republican for. republicans on republican screaming. now some colleagues say that the tension between the two may actually turn violent. [laughter] my latest on that feud, next.

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tell you that mtg and lauren boebert don't like each other. they are fighting a lot. and the weird thing, jen psaki, is it appears that some republican members, if you read the press clippings, they are

actually rooting for a fight. it's like zuckerberg and musk. >> elon musk, right. they are making bets, maybe, who knows? they are getting their popcorn. this may end up in a fistfight it is what is quoted in. there that tells you a lot about what is going on in a wing of the republican party. i find it hard to believe that this house republican party doesn't help democrats at the end of the day. >> you are not alone, it lets us know that -- is under attack. look at this. these are the folks that we are looking to? >> they. are also, it seems like every single investigation they launch ends up blowing up in their face. >> i was telling you during the

break, there are a lot of really smart democrats i know who were hired to help agencies and cabinet members in case they were impeached by this crazy right-wing house. it hasn't worked out that way. you, know they have a foreign agent who is their whistleblower, right? a foreign asset who is the whistleblower. that is their biggest get so far. that tells you a lot. there is not a lot of -- >> not only a foreign agent, a foreign agent who actually tries to legally so iranian oil to the chinese communist party. this is the face of the republican party. thank you so much. if you watched it jen psaki's show, inside with a chance aki every sunday at noon eastern right here on msnbc. thank you so much for being with us. all in with chris hayes back tomorrow. the rachel maddow show coming up right after the break. have a great night. nce policy for cash? so they're basically sitting on a goldmine? i don't think they have a clue. that's crazy! well, not everyone knows coventry's helped thousands of people sell their policies for cash. even term policies. i can't believe they're just sitting up there! sitting on all this cash. if you own a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more, you can sell all or part of it to coventry. even a term policy. for cash,

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