good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we have a lot to get to including news out of south florida about the timing of donald trump's classified documents trial, not to mention that other giant story of the day. as you have no doubt heard by now, donald trump was sent a target letter by special counsel jack smith. this one about his role in trying to overturn the 2020 election. donald trump announced it in a truth social post this morning. federal law enforcement sources confirm the former president was sent that letter on sunday. we often call this investigation the january th investigation, but it is about more than just that day. we've seen myriad trump aides, state officials in washington,

d.c., suggesting jack smith's team is trying to find out everything that happened in the aftermath of donald trump's 2020 loss. what was donald trump's state of mind, witnesses were reportedly asked? did he know he lost? we'll see what jack smith's team has uncovered and what the special counsel believes happened on and leading up to that day. the question, though, now, when will we see those charges? donald trump himself guessed he would be indicted this week. is he right? joining me now is garrett haake, nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly, and msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. of course a target letter, garrett, does not necessarily mean that you will be indicted but donald trump seems to think that, yes, he will, and it will happen this week. why? >> reporter: legal experts say a target letter means you almost certainly will be indicted and

donald trump thinks that's the case. we know the target letter was sent, law enforcement official have is confirmed that. i don't suppose we know for certain whether the time line that it lays out is accurate. but according to mr. trump, he says he had four days from receipt of this letter to come and testify before the grand jury and basically tell his side of the story. that puts us at the end of this week. and it suggests that this investigation is all but done with if you were at the point where you know you want to bring the target in to hear what he or she has to say and make your decision after that. donald trump has tried in some form to scoop his run-ins with law enforcement. he missed the mark by a week or two in new york and waited until he was actually informed he was going to be indicted on the classified documents case in this particular instance he's given himself a runway. the likelihood he will be

indicted end of this week or early next. >> we are told he got the letter on sunday. any indication why he revealed this today, garrett? >> reporter: i can only speculate about that. it has done an effective job of squashing an announcement by ron desantis about his military plans and his interview with cnn which for desantis, who has avoided mainstream non-fox news was a big deal to him. look, you cannot separate the legal from the political when it comes to donald trump. whether it was purely legal or political, i can't say. there are certainly political benefits to announcing it today, dominating coverage today on a day he's basically trying to choke off oxygen for his leading rival for the nomination. >> what a strange world we're living in that announcing you're the target of a federal investigation is good politically for you and will

drown out the news for your opponent. we can see public facing so far, who has jack smith brought in front of the grand jury? what has that told us about the scope of the probe? >> he really has a lot of documents including seizing cell phones, some of the investigative steps predated jack smith taking over this investigation in november and, of course, mixing the political with the legal. the reason jack smith exists as the special counsel here is because donald trump made this announcement and because of that fact merrick garland felt he had to hand this off so it wasn't him overseeing an investigation against the chief political rival of the sitting president. that's why we have this separate counsel. arguably it might not work out the best for donald trump in the end now that he's sitting here

facing one indictment already and another potential indictment. we've seen testimony from a large number of witnesses including individuals who were fake electors come and tell their story before the grand jury and producers camped out there seeing who they see go in and out. the biggest name of all, another one of donald trump's rivals theoretically, former vice president mike pence, who also testified before the federal grand jury in this case. >> lisa rubin, what's the expectation, and can we look at the last indictment, the classified documents case, and does that lead us to believe jack smith will be timing it in a certain way? >> yes and no, katy. we knew donald trump's lawyers had their final meeting with the special counsel and requested an audience with merrick garland.

they didn't get that but did from the attorney general's office. that was before trump came out and said i'm about to be indicted. trump got the target letter on sunday. he's been informed if he wants to talk to the grand jury, he needs to do so before thursday. that suggests to us that the grand jury is scheduled to wrap up its investigation by thursday, that a charging decision could come then or soon thereafter. that's about what we know right now. >> what's the realm of charges donald trump could be facing? i know there was skepticism, hesitation in the legal community about jack smith's ability to pursue it and prosecute on an insurrection when it comes to the former president that day. jack smith is looking more than the day of january 6. if we're going to consider what he could be charged with, do we have an idea?

is there a scope? >> we have an idea what's under consideration. how much will make its way in an indictment is unclear to us and runs the gamut from things like seditious conspiracy and insurrection what many in the legal community think could be charged. two things as mundane as wire fraud, aspect of the election, could be based on trump inserting the big lie into political advertisements or fund-raising solicitations and asking people to give on the basis of things that were never substantiated. >> let's talk about lessons jack smith might have learned from the last indictment. there was a period of time there was a vacuum between what donald trump announced and what we learned from the special counsel, the details of the indictment. do you have any reason to believe jack smith will want to close that gap this time, faster

and quicker with the information to not allow donald trump to make things up? >> it's a really great question. i think you know in most cases the reason why you have a document that's under seal is typically because you're trying to affectuate an arrest, you don't want to tip off the person that you're about to arrest them. donald trump, his secret service contingent, there's not necessarily a great reason why it has to be under seal, sort of under embargo for a day as it was the last time around. there was that huge information gap. i think it was thursday/friday we had where donald trump could go out on the airwaves and online and tell the story before they came back with that pretty strong indictment that had a boatload of evidence that is really tough to combat or come back at. i think that's probably a good idea to shrink that amount of time down.

as journalists we want that time to be as short as humanly possible and get the information out. there is just typically the routine and the way this is done here. overall they will probably try to shrink the gap but there may be a gap in the time between when they notify trump and when the documents go public. >> garrett, let's talk about co-conspirators. there is a co-conspirator in the documents case, walt nauta. never else get a letter? >> donald trump is already exploiting the time gap by jumping into the fray and announcing that he's a target, days before any announcement would come down, doj won't respond to set the information on this. possible co-conspirators is much larger. you can imagine a situation in which some of the fake electors

face charges, a world in which outside advisers, legal advisers could face charges. if you believe as many reporters who have covered this closely do that you're looking at a larger web of conspiracy, the universe could be quite large. what's interesting about that is in all of our team's reporting today we've not been able to find a single other person in the web who has gotten a target letter. a target letter is more of a formality, less of a necessity than otherwise. it would be even less necessary for someone who did come testify. if there are other targets being drawn up right now, the only folks who know that are at doj. the universe of people who could face charges are not hearing about it yet. >> all right. let's end with this. d.c. compared to south florida, lisa, different? >> really different for a variety of reasons.

d.c. judges are used to dealing with interference cases. every judge in the district has had one. they're very familiar with the constellation of facts around january 6, no classified documents and, of course, no aileen cannon. whether she will continue to be remains to be seen today. >> it's not necessarily the rocket docket like west virginia. >> no, but a number of people who have had a mountain of january 6 cases dumped onto their docket and have become accustomed to moving these cases at least at what we would consider a decent pace if not the eastern district of virginia pace. >> we have judge aileen cannon up next. lisa, you're sticking around. garrett and ryan, thank you very much. again, south florida documents case. judge aileen cannon is holding a hearing on a trial date, among other motions. what might she rule? news out of fulton county,

georgia. what the state supreme court ruled on d.a. fani willis and why did a u.s. soldier seemingly run away to north korea? what happened at the dmz and what our pentagon sources are telling us about this soldier. we're back in 60 seconds. we're back in s60econds my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc.

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and back with me msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin. i know our colleague ken dilanian is in the courtroom. any idea what might be going on? >> i think they're going back and forth on a whole host of issues related to scheduling which in the normal case would be boring. in this case it's everything and we are waiting with baited breath if judge cannon gives the government what they want, a december trial date, or push it out a few months in which case running smack dab into another trial the same defendant is facing in new york, or she could decide to delay it indefinitely which i think would be pretty amazing in its own right because the former president hasn't made a legal argument for why they can't have the trial. >> what is the argument he's made? >> this is such a big deal, wow, this is so much discovery. that's not a legal argument. >> what about if he has other cases going on? >> that's not a legal argument. it's a very good practical argument. it's not a legal argument.

>> with respect to his civil trials, he said i have these two civil trials already scheduled. we all know from the e. jean carroll trial that occurred that when given an opportunity to participate in a civil trial, a fairly limited duration, donald trump didn't take it. he didn't show up in person. >> would a judge take that into consideration, all of the facts, all of the circumstances, all of the past behavior? >> i think she or he would and you should note the department of justice took that into consideration in propoing that december trial date purposely working around the other things that are on trump's schedule, a trial, the march trial on the d.a.'s hush money case. >> so many lowers. >> it's also before primary season so they were working in a strategic way to find a time that is fair and open. >> we are watching to see how judge aileen cannon might rule.

there's been skepticism she would be able to oversee this fairly given the way she ruled in the leadup to this case about classified documents and special masters, et cetera. if she does take donald trump's argument, yeah, this is going to be indefinite, do you think the special counsel will file a motion to have her removed? >> i don't know i expect it but i think it's far more likely. i think the special counsel has held their fire with respect to judge cannon to see where she will come out on things like this and the use of classified information. but if she doesn't set a trial date and agrees with trump that the trial should not be until at least after the november 2024 election, i think you can expect the special counsel to take seriously a recusal motion. >> i think they can appeal it and we'll have to see what the grounds are. >> where would they go? >> to the 11th circuit, the federal appeals court, a

three-judge panel, made up of who knows. that is the same court that struck her down more than once. >> they can appeal individual -- >> some issues you can do right away. some you have to wait. it depends. i think we should wait and see what she does on this. she may just defer it. okay, i'm going to set a trial date for february and she could push it out and push it out. so there's a number of different ways this could all go down. just to see what is her disposition towards the parties, does she seem to be in any great urgency or given this news of another potential indictment coming in the special counsel's work, does she want to play this differently? she is now not the only player. >> can i channel andrew weisman and ask where we stand with the sepa hearings, whether donald

trump's legal team have all applied for -- >> no. they have not. >> -- clearance. >> as far as we know they have not. >> why might they not have? >> well, i don't know. they had an order that they were required to fill out the necessary paperwork by july 13th. we see on the docket a certificate of compliance from the trump lawyers saying we filled out all of the paperwork so far. last night a motion was filed for protective order regarding the use of classified information, saying certain defense counsel have already gotten their interim security clearances. that leaves open the fact others probably have not and so that will delay the pro-decks of classified discovery to certain defendants perhaps. >> she needs to decide today you need to get that done today. there are certain things she's not going to be the player in terms of deadlines.

she has the body to enforce this if she wants to. >> this is a complicated case, not as complicated as the january 6th case, does donald trump's team have an argument about the vast amount of material and what they need to go through to start being able to prepare a defense for him? >> no, no. i'll tell you why, the department of justice never considers that a valid excuse. they will dump millions and say have at it. here they're identified for them 4,500 pages of key documents. that almost never happens. they have gone above and beyond to provide timely discovery. trump's team have ample opportunity to go through it. >> judge aileen cannon has had a case delayed 18 months to go through all of the evidence so

there is precedent down there to delay at trial for quite a period of time when it is complicated. is this as complicated as a medicare fraud case? insurance is very complicated. but does that give you some cover? >> it might, but what doesn't are some of the excuses trump's team have made, we're a small law firm, we can't use contract attorneys. the department of justice made very clear that's not an excuse. you need to hire people on a part-time or interim basis, we'll give them the security clearance they need. you have some time here and this isn't that complicated. >> given the scope of this you would think he would have the most amount of legal firepower you could bring. >> he's the former president. >> you would think top-notch law firms. >> a team of people in navy and

white suits walking in. >> it feels there's a two-man band running this given the stakes. it does not mean they're not -- the idea they don't have enough people to go through the documents is not going to be, i think, a prevailing remark. >> this is my favorite panel so far today. please come back and join me at the same time. it does make for interesting conversation. i love smart women. thank you very much. coming up next the perspective from john sale, a ruling on a trial date will mean for judge aileen cannon. what was this person thinking? sources at the pentagon say a u.s. soldier bolted over the dmz into north korea. what has since happened to that soldier? age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein.

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joining me now is florida defense attorney jon sale. jon served as an assistant prosecutor on the watergate team. he turned down the opportunity to join donald trump's defense team last year. good to have you back. this hearing is still going on. is this an unusual length? >> no, there are a number of issues the court has to decide. the primary purpose is how do they deal with the classified documents?

the court appointed a court security officer as provided in the statute, and that's a person who has high clearance, who will make sure people get their clearances, will handing the documents, will determine where they're going to be located and that will be expedited. we'll talk about when the trial will be set. probably everything i say will be proved to be wrong but i'll tell you what i think. >> tell me, tell me. >> i think donald trump -- asking to put it off indefinitely would be unlawful. the court has to set a definite date and find a period of time excludable. he's entitled to a reasonable amount of time. a whole myriad of factors go into that. the large number of documents don't matter.

they are the nonclassified documents, and we get them all the time. i don't agree with your prior guest, with all due respect, who said, well, the government went out of their way to show which are the important ones. they did but i would say, thanks a lot but you're not going to decide what are important documents. we hire an outside vendor, there are key words and we deal with voluminous documents. there will be a protective order. this has nothing to do with classified documents. the other issues are the presidential records act which i think does not apply but those are things for the court to decide. i think the judge will disregard the political factors and will be cognizant of the fake the new york case is set for march and

the government asked for and that march date. i think it will be reasonable to both sides. we'll see. rarely appealable. the judge has a wide amount of discretion in setting his or her trial calendar. >> if she sets it in an egregious way that brings up all these fears where her loyalties lie after the way she ruled in the leadup to this, if the special counsel's team can't appeal a trial date, you said that's not possible -- >> it's usually not. there is an extraordinary writ, so just pick a number off the top of my head if she sets it off 14 months i think the special counsel has the ability to ask for this extraordinary relief and to ask to recuse her. i don't think she will do that.

i think she will set it a few months at the most and what she did in the medicare case, going on now. new complex points came up so she kept resetting it. this is not a complicated case. the january 6th case, if there is one,s complicated case. >> so i said the opposite a moment ago. i said this case was more complicated than january 6th. you're telling me i have it wrong. why is this more complicated than january 6? >> there are a finite number of documents, witnesses. this case is very strong and the government has estimated in writing this case should take 21 days. one of the things the judge will be talking about today is each side, how long do you estimate the trial will be? usually judges say i think we can do it in a less period of time than that.

most of the issues, fraud, who will be required to testify? that's an issue for the judge. whether or not there was any government misconduct like they claimed. that's an issue for the judge. the judge can set a hearing. they're challenging but it involves a former president of the united states and that has never happened before and hopefully will never happen again. that's why all the media is watching, the whole world is watching and our criminal justice system is on trial as well as trump. >> we will get an update as soon as the trial ends. jon sale, thank you as always for joining us. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure, katy. and coming up, i see a red door and i want it painted white. what changing a rolling stone

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the u.s. military says a soldier, who was being sent home from south korea for

disciplinary reasons has managed to slip over the north korean border. according to three u.s. officials the unnamed american bolted across the dmz while on a private tour with an excursion company. nbc news has reached out to the white house for comment but has not yet received a response. joining me now is pentagon correspondent cour courtney kub. >> reporter: to say this is a strange or unusual incident is really an understatement, katy. the individual got into a disciplinary problem while he was there deployed to south korea. now it was something that was a violation of the status of forces agreement, the agreement that dictates how the u.s. military will live and operate and work there in korea. as part of that agreement the

u.s. said, look, we're just going to send him -- because of that violation of the agreement -- we'll put him on a civilian plane. he slipped away at the airport, got on a commercial tour bus headed to the dmz and willfully crossed the border right into north korean custody. >> so what happens now? any idea? >> reporter: that's the big question. there have been conversations between the u.s. and north koreans but we don't know the level if it's military to military, government to government. we don't know other than they have occurred. the u.s. has been saying he willfully crossed the border, that he wasn't sent there. this wasn't a spy mission. the reality is we don't know how this will end or when. >> so very strange. courtney kube, thank you very much. up next, what you can do with a bucket of paint to fight climate change. climate change

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i certainly hope your ac is going for the next story. compound and concurrent extreme heat domes are trapping hot air over four continents this is a visual of what we're talking about. in death valley the dome produced 129 degrees on monday. in iran the heat index registered 152 and in china temperatures hit an all-time record of 126.

it's why southern europe has been boiling, 114.8 degrees today on the italian island and a city record of 110 degrees today in rome. joining me from the place where the steam bath was invented, claudio, you still look very hot and it is late at night there. >> reporter: it is still very hot, katy. it's about 91 degrees here. it's almost 10:00 in the evening so it's pretty hot. but got even hotter during the day, up to 110, as you mentioned, and that is the record for the hottest day ever recorded in this city, and it did feel that hot, to be honest. the cobble stones turned into hot stones. the fountains dotted around the city, if you've been here -- well, you've been here, so you may remember them well.

they turned into oasis for the very few people actually that ventured into this heat wave. it was only basically us and a futurists who either didn't know about the heat wave or didn't care about it. the problem here this is just the start. in the coming days it will be just as hot, katy. >> i can't imagine sunbathing, right there in this sort of weather does not sound enticing to me. it's dangerous, though, as well, claudio. what's the government doing to make sure everyone is safe? >> reporter: i spoke to the head of the civil protection agency here in rome this morning and told me they deployed tens of volunteers to help out cities and tourists with bottles of water or if they felt unwell because of the heat. he told me most people, the vast majority of people in the hottest hours are tourists, not italians who stay indoors

because they are aware of the heat wave. curiously most tourists were unprepared for this heat wave, weren't carrying bottles of water or wearing hats. 1 people either fainted or felt unwe'll and they said listen to the advice of experts and be prepared if you go out. >> carry some water with you. joining me now is meteorologist bill karins. bill, is it ever going to end? yes. do i know when it will? no. we showed you that map at the beginning, heat domes are nothing new. they happen every single summer. you get your record heat, the problem is they're not moving much. they're setting in the same areas. that's when you build up the all-time records. that's what's happening in the southwest and in southern europe. the heat dome, we see bright red

on the weather map, that's not good. not just the southwest but even a little bit of that warmth into the northeast, yes, florida, you will stay exceptionally hot. in areas of spain and madrid into thursday, rome goes to 100 on wednesday. it doesn't change much in southern portions. athens could be 114 by the time we get to thursday. the answer to your question, it will get cooler eventually. it's not in sight. >> bill karins, thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> appreciate it. and what if we could take this light and heat that comes with it and chuck it back at the sun? scientists say that you can if you have the right paint. "the new york times" reports researchers at purdue have geo engineered a white paint so white that it can fight climate

change. joining me now is "new york times" climate reporter cara buckley. thank you for being here. i listened to you read the story and when you were done i said out loud, wow. and then i set a reminder on my phone to go paint my roof. explain what this paint is and what it does. >> reporter: it's at least a year out from being commercially available. we've seen places like casablanca and hot places where humans have lived paint their buildings white and that reflects a good measure of the heat. what it doesn't do -- what it does do it tends to heat the ambient air. this heat deflects 98% of the heat out into deep space, and makes what surface it's applied to cooler than ambient air temperature. it's doing that without using any energy, without warming the

air around and just passively cooling not just the ambient air but the structure it's applied to. >> how much do we need to fight off global warming? >> a researcher calculated that -- by the way, there are other radiative cooling things like panels, film, this paint is just seen as a bit more accessible. you can buy it, put it on a roof, and they're working with the lighter version that could be applied to cars and other surfaces, spaceships. if a big chunk is covered in this kind of paint, it's been calculated that it would be enough to pause or stop global warming. but that would require, of course, stopping fossil fuels. what the researcher said to me,

this was like a life raft to give us cooler temperatures while we figure out going about fixing this very scary existential problem. >> can we cover 2% of the earth with this paint? is that possible? >> reporter: well, it is -- i think it is possible but it can't be all spot because you have one area that's suddenly cooler, you don't want to color one whole area with white paint. it could mess up local weather conditions. but scientist who is headed this research, mechanical engineers said that it could be throughout the globe. so if it's o rooftops like sky-facing surfaces in, you know, different cities and on a whole bunch of cars, we can cumulatively 1% to 2%. and it will have the additional benefit of offsetting the urban heat island i e fekt, which as any city dweller knows on hot days walking around the city without much tree cover, it's like walking in a pizza oven.

this can have local benefits and scattered throughout the world profound benefits. >> it would be nice to paint some of the streets here in new york city white. and in phoenix, if you touch that pavement with your bare skin, you can get severe burns even if it's just for a second. can you bring me into the science? i think it's probably surprising that you can get a white that is whiter than we currently have. how do we make something whiter? how does it work? >> infrared wavelengths. not my area of expertise. what i understand, it's about scattering more of the light. most commercial whites have titanium dioxide. this uses barium sulfate. you're not blinded but it's scattering the light more profoundly or just scat erg the

light more and it ends up going along a wavelength and, if i get this wrong, people out there, i apologize, on a wavelength, it goes through something called a transparency window in the atmosphere and out into deep space and beyond. i asked the professor, i said, now are we messing up space? like, here, space, have our heat? he said what we're doing is reflecting back the sun's heat, we're just ber septembering it and bouncing it back with this. that's sort of my rough understanding of how this works. it's wavelengths light travels along. >> my timer is set from one year from now to get this paint when it goes to market. appreciate it. breaking news out of florida, where ken dilanian just left the courtroom where today's classified documents pretrial hearing took place. ken, did they decide anything? >> reporter: the judge did not

rule. we got some insights into their thinking. there was a heated discussion from both sides particularly about scheduling this case and how quickly it can go to trial. judge cannon appeared to brush aside the arguments from the trump side that, because of all the publicity around him running for president, they can't pick a jury before the presidential election. she didn't have much patience for that. but she appeared to have sympathy for the argument that this case is so complex that they can't follow the prosecution's blueprint and have a trial as early as december. some of the details that emerged about that is that the government is turned over 1.1 million pages of documents and more than a thousand days of video footage, cctv footage. while the justice department has tried to delineate which of that footage is important to their case and make it easier if the defense, trump's lawyers are saying we have to look at all of it in order to fairly represent our clients. they also argue there are other things going on with trump.

there is a new york trial on criminal charges that will happen early next year. there is a -- there's a civil trial, the attorney general is pursuing against the trump organization. and these same lawyers are involved. so for scheduling reasons and for complexity reasons, they're asking they come back in november and then try to talk about having a trial. and one of trump's lawyers said there shouldn't be any trial sooner than november of 2024. the judge didn't rule. she'll issue a written ruling soon. but she appeared to be sympathetic to the idea the case is more complex than the government is making it out to be. also, there was a heated discussion or dispute between the government and trump's lawyers about whether donald trump should be treated differently because he's running for president. david harbaugh, one of the lead attorneys for the special counsel, wassed a amant that the constitution requires that he be treated like any other criminal defendant. and trump's lawyer said that was

dishonest. he said you can't do that. he's running for president. this case is tinged by the fact it's the biden administration prosecutoring his punitive opponent in the election. harbaugh said that claim is false. the special counsel was appointed to insulate this case from politics, he said. all the people prosecuting the case are political appointees and politics plays no role. that was the most dramatic exchange. >> did you see anything from judge aileen cannon and those arguments, anything you can glean from her reaction? >> reporter: so, as i said, cannon appeared to brush aside arguments from one of trump's lawyers that you can't pick a jury in this case while trump is running for president because there's so much media coverage that it's too much and he can't get a fair trial. she brushed that aside, said that's not what i'm focusing on. she was focusing on the complexity of the case, the volume of documents that the

lawyers have to go through in order to fairly represent their client and whether also there will be all these motions they'll have to litigate outside of trial, like, for example, whether there should have been a grand jury in washington when the case is being held in florida. she appeared to ask harder questions i would say of the government on that score than of the defense. we'll have to wait and see how she rules. >> lisa, what do you make of what ken just reported? >> it's interesting that judge cannon was not moved by the impossible to pick a jury argument, because there are people par toshl president trump and some of his politics yet are willing to give the case a full hearing. on the other hand, some of the questions that she had about the complexity of the evidence show that she's probably going to split this, right. we could end up with a trial that's initially scheduled for sometime next summer, perhaps after primary season but before

the conventions, typically a dor manhattan -- >> next summer? >> typically a dormant period. i'm trying to think practically. if this is a person who doesn't want to put this off indefinitely, it's indicated she'll have a written order, but december is too soon. he's got a march trial, a january trial. she has to pick a time to slot herself in. and to the extent she is sympathetic to the fact he has different concerns as a presidential candidate, next summer might be an opportunity. >> the special counsel said it was three weeks they expected this trial to take when they checked off that box in the indictment. right? >> 21 to 60 days. >> oh. >> what they said in court today, i don't know to obviously, i wasn't there in terms of how long they expect the trial to take. and the defense can't really parry that. they don't have the whole kit and caboodle of discovery, so they're not necessarily in a position to say how long they think their defense would take. >> could it be she says it's complicated but i think you can

get it done by february? before the march stuff in new york? >> i think it's possible she'll say that. generally speaking, lawyers need time to prepare for trial, right. if we have a march trial in the manhattan d.a.'s case, odds are that todd blanch will say i need time but he may not get it. >> thank you very much. for the 28th consecutive week, israelis are protesting benjamin netanyahu's plans for judicial overhaul. authorities are clashing with protesters on the streets right now. we see what appear s to be a truck spraying the crowd with a high-powered hose in addition to other measures being taken. joining me from tel aviv is raf sanchez. what's happening out there? >> reporter: we have been talking about this crisis in israel for six months, but tonight there is a feeling this is coming to a head, and that is because prime minister benjamin netanyahu is poised as early as this weekend to ram the first

part of his controversial judicial overhaul through israel's parliament, and that is why you are seeing protesters out on the streets with such energy tonight. we've seen them swarming into train stations, blocking highways, as you said, military veterans have been chaining themselves together in front of the front gates of israel's defense ministry. and that is because they are convinced if this legislation goes through, it will weaken israel's democracy. and many of them, katie, are telling us they would like to see president biden do more to stop netanyahu from moving ahead with this plan. president biden was hosting the israeli president, a largely ceremonial figure, at the white house earlier today. and while president biden has expressed concern about the situation in israel in the past, he did not say anything tonight publicly, at least, and protesters are frustrated he also extended an invitation to netanyahu to visit the u.s. and meet with him later this year. some of the protesters say they feel that's sending netanyahu a

green light for this legislation at such a crucial moment. >> the white house had been displeased with what was happening with the judicial overhaul, and there was notable delay in the president extending that invitation. thank you very much. that's going to do it for me today. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east on what could be the first day of the rest of the trump story. donald trump breaking the news himself that he has received a target letter from special counsel jack smith, likely indicating his imminent indictment in the january 6th criminal probe. but that's not all. we come on the air with both of today's top stories, spokes of the same wheel of trump's alleged criminality. a hearing just wrapped up in a courthouse in south florida where lawyers for the government squared off with lawyers for the ex-president in the classified documents case.