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president is about to address the joints meeting of congress. and in texas nbc news has obtained documents revealing what the homeland security department is calling inhumane treatment of migrants by texas troopers. one email includes how officers were told to push small children and babies back into the river. overseas we're learning more about the u.s. soldier detained in north korea. u.s. officials say that he willingly bolted across the border. and we begin with new developments in the investigations surrounding former president trump. two attorneys with direct knowledge of the target letter sent to trump on sunday tell nbc news that three federal statutes were mentioned in that document. deprivation of rights under color of law, conspiracy to tee fraud the u.s., and tampering with a witness. this comes as the former
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president continues to lash out after receiving that letter. >> only way that he can get elected is to weaponize the justice department which he's got around doing. i didn't know practically what a subpoena was, grand juries and all of this. now i'm becoming an expert. i have no choice because we have to -- it is a disgrace. if you say something about an election, they want to put you in jail the rest of your life. >> after he received that letter on sunday, trump reached out to kevin mccarthy and republican conference chair elise stefanik urging them to rally support for him from republican lawmakers. the news of letter came on the same day as the first pretrial hearing in the classified documents case. and we are now waiting for the judge in that case to rule on trump's request to delay the trial until after the 2024 election. with us now to talk more about this, correspondent garrett haake and also justice and
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intelligence correspondent ken delanian and catherine christian, a legal analyst. so we're learning more about the target letter that the former president receive order sunday. and what he did after receiving it.order sunday. and what he did after receiving it. >> that's right, we've learned more about the specifics of what charges donald trump could face at least according to our sources familiar with the departments of the letter. and we're trying to essentially backfill what happened between sunday night when donald trump says he received this letter and tuesday morning when he disclosed it publicly. we know one of the things that he did in that time period is pick up the phone and call some of his closest allies in congress to essentially strategize with them about how to bring the party together in his defense. and kevin mccarthy and elise stefanik, when they were asked about reporters about the latest news, this target letter, defending the former president is exactly what they did.
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take a listen. >> well, i guess under a biden administration you'd expect this. if you notice recently president trump went up in the polls and was actually surpassing president biden for re-election. so what do they do know. weaponize government, go after their number one opponent. >> we have yet another example of joe biden's weaponized department of justice targeting his top political opponent donald trump. there cannot be one set of laws if your last name is biden and another set of laws for law abiding americans. >> so that is the kind of defenses that donald trump is known to like to see from his allies on television and it lines unneatly with the defenses that we heard from donald trump himself in a couple of appearances in iowa last night. the trump campaign, the broader maga orbit, is trying to make it a broader political issue about the biden administration and department of justice to use it to donald trump's political benefit whatever the legal costs
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on him personally or politically may ultimately be. >> and so let's talk about that, because the statutes mentioned in that letter include deprivation of rights under color of law, conspiracy to defraud the u.s. and tampering with a witness. catherine, what are those? >> well, conspiracy to defraud the united states would be the theory is that trump lost the election, he knew it, and he worked with lawyers, interesting mike pence called them crank lawyer, so he worked with lawyer and others to come up with a scheme to change the outcome of the election. and what was that scheme? michigan announced yesterday that 16 people were charged with being false electors, came up with a slate of false electors in seven battleground states where they signed certifications falsely certifying that trump won. and efforts remain to use those false certifications to convince
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and coerce vice president pence to stop or delay the certification of biden's electoral college win. so that would be the conspiracy to defraud the united states. the depriing right, are you talking about doing -- undermining democracy, overturning election. you are depriving voters of their rights. so that would be i would believe the theory under that statute. >> so what is it that you could be facing? >> on the conspiracy, five years. ten years for the deprivation of rights. obstruction charge would be 20 years. so he is facing substantial time if he were convicted of these crimes.
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>> so ken, you were at the pretrial hearing in the classified documents case. what came out of that hearing? >> that nearly two hour hearing was almost entirely about the crucial issue of when that came can go to trial. remember, special counsel jack smith suggested that it could happen as early as december whereas donald trump's lawyers want to push it back -- push it forward after the 2024 election. so judge cannon appeared to dismiss the arguments that donald trump can't get a fair trial because he is running for president and there is too much media coverage. but she appeared very sympathetic to the defense arguments that there are so many documents and video recordings and other kinds of evidence in this trial. and so many legal issues that need to be litigated that there is no way that this case can go to trial in december and it may be pushed further into the election season. she said that she will rule promptly. she didn't rule during the hearing. and there was also another interesting exchange between the special counsel's office and the defense over how donald trump should be treated.
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the lawyer for the special counsel's officer said that donald trump is not president anymore. he has been lawfully indicted and should be treated leak any other citizen. his lawyer said that is intellectually dishonest. he is running for president and being prosecuted by the administration of his opponent. but he said that we're career prosecutors, there is nothing political about this. and that was a really dramatic clash of narratives about this case. >> and we're also learning that special counsel jack smith subpoenaed the georgia secretary of state's office? >> yeah, that's right. first. >> reporter:ed by the atlanta journal constitution and our colleagues confirmed it, this was for video footage of the vote counting at the state farm arena. what is interesting about that, remember that rudy giuliani, donald trump's long term
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attorney and aid, had made false accusations about two women that were subject to threats and now litigating over that. it suggests that the special counsel is trying to get that evidence perhaps to show the damage suffered by some of these people by the false allegations perpetrated by people like rudy giuliani. so really interesting development in the case. >> and so catherine, how do state and federal prosecutors coordinate when pursuing similar cases? >> well, in the real world what typically happens is that you try not to step on each other's toes. last thing that you want to be using the same witnesses. and what should happen is the most serious case will be the one that takes priority. sometimes the state prosecutor will stand down. i worked with someone who never stood down to anyone. but moving up to 2023, the state
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prosecutor will say okay, i have this limited world that i'll be indicting and i won't touch your case. so michigan for instance yesterday, 16 people were charged, that will probably have no effect on the special counsel's case. and she sort of made it very limited just in terms of forgery and election law. so the same thing probably will happen in georgia in fulton county if she seeks an indictment. you sort of stay in your own lane. >> and what do we know about trump's strategy from here on out? >> it is a well worn strategy from two indictments so far. essentially to try to force other republicans to be with him or with the biden justice department. that is why you hear the kind of language that you do from donald trump or his allies. and so far it is largely working. the criticism of donald trump from his punitive opponents for the republican nomination have been pretty muted. nobody is going after him on this except for kind of the usual suspects who have been
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more anti-trump from the jump. so expect to see that same kind of language from trump and an aggressive effort by his campaign to fundraise off any funding pending in-kimgt. enkimt. in new york you saw $12 million pegged to the indictment itself and that is where the polling broke. they won't change anything because that is what has been working strategically for them in the primary election so far. >> meanwhile, a federal judge rejected trump's request for a new trial in the civil case brought by e. jean carroll. the judge says the jury did not reach a seiously erroneous result in the trial where the jury awarded her $5 million in damage. how do you read this? >> well, it is understanding what the definition of a sex crime is in new york state. yes, he was found not lie only
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for rape, but he was found liable for a sex crime and that sex crime was sexual abuse. so he was found liable for a sexual assault. it wasn't rape as defined in new york which requires penetration. but it was sexual abuse. which was exactly what he was accused of doing. foibly touching ms. carroll's private parts without her concept. -- consent. so no inconsistency in the verdict is what the court is saying. >> ken, garrett and catherine, thank you all for being with us. we're tracking more developments about the efforts to overturn the election results. details on the new felony charges against 16 false trump el electors in michigan. and also we're back with why israel's president is addressing the u.s. congress. israel's president is addressing the u.s. congress.
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13 past the hour. right now israeli president is addressing the joint meeting of congress after meeting with president biden. this visit comes at a tense moment insraeli relations. president biden has been critical of the proposal and called some members of israel's government, quote, the most extremist. just last night the house overwhelmingly passed the resolution declaring support for israel after democratic congresswoman called israel a racist state. she has since walked that back. and joining us now, ali vitali also with us is jane harman.
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and what has been the response on capitol hill to the president's visit? >> well, you are watching there that joint meeting of congress. we see members of the house and senate in that room for the israeli president's address that is ongoing. of course you see vice president kamala harris seated there next to speaker kevin mccarthy. this address is i think roughly 10 or 11 pages. so we'll see the pace at which he is reading it. but look, it comes against the backdrop that you point out, tense relationships between the u.s. and israel right now, but then also the fact that the house chamber that he is actually in right now just voted less than 24 hours ago on a resolution supporting israel, but done almost as a knee jerk reaction to recent comments from people like jayapal head of the progressive conference saying that it was a racist state. she ultimately walked the comments back and jayapal
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actually voted yes on the resolution yesterday. but still we've seen a handful of democratic lawmakers not just vote against the resolution, but also be critical of israel over the course of the last few days. but certainly over the course of the last few years that they have been here in congress. i'm thinking about people like i will omar and others, we've seen them express sentiments ahead of the meeting today. but of course we've heard from other members, republican and democrat alike, about their strong support for the state of israel and of course that is something that you are seeing reflected in the chamber today. >> and israeli president says that they want to show the unbreakable bond. what is the state of the u.s. relationship with israel right now? >> i think that it is still strong. let me say that i'm the doubt of a refugee from nazi germany, so i pretty much know firsthand what so many people in israel
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went through or their grandfathers went through. i'm also strongly pro israel. but that does not mean i applaud everything that netanyahu is doing or that i think that there should be no palestinian state. i support a palestinian state. what is good about the pictures you are seeing is that the congress on an overwhelmingly bipartisan basis just passed a resolution condemning racism and apartheid which i agree with, and it also today is presided over by the republican speaker of the house, kevin mccarthy, and the democratic vice president kamala harris. it is a great scene of unity. i think that what we're seeing is something definitely engineered by nancy pelosi in the last congress which is when she invited the president to
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congress and he deferred it to now. so isn't it great to see some bipartisan on display. >> and i think that it is important that you kind of mentioned the difference between the israeli government and state of israel. there have been attacks on the state of israel its even existence starting from even before 1948. there are differences. >> of course there are differences. israel is still, unless something changes and i hope it won't, the largest democracy in the middle east. the home to those like my father who had to leave europe during the incredible holocaust. my father came here, but so many came there. it was the homeland for the jews, but established as a pluralist democracy. there were palestinians living on the land and hopefully sometime soon the government of israel will embrace a two state solution which is the way it seems to me for israel to preserve its pluralist democracy and for the palestinians to key
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-- deserve this to have their own homeland. >> and those decisions have to be taken by a democratic state of israel which has been in place since 1948. later today we're expecting testimony from irs whistleblowers? >> yeah, that is another thing that is happening up here on capitol hill. they are jam packing these weeks. but this is something that has been a top priority for the house oversight committee and its chairman james comer. the fact that you are now going to have this whistleblower coming and testifying before congress is something that we've seen democrats mobilize depends seeking to highlight the fact that unlike what the whistleblower is alleging, which is that he thinks that the justice department effectively went easy on hunter biden because he is the president's son, this is something that now the democrats have tried to combat against saying that pointing to frankly the trump appointed prosecutor who investigated this case who said
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that he wasn't limited in the scope of his investigation. he wasn't stopped from bringing certain charges. he was given the ability to his job the way that he felt was necessary. nevertheless the house oversight committee bringing forth this latest whistleblower to talk about the irs and the ways in which they think that they went easier on hunter biden. i do think that when you put this in the larger scope the way that i would think about this moment in congress is we're seeing a moment just like you were talking about in the last segment where the former president donald trump veers is facing another potential indictment. and we watched republicans repeatedly come to his aid, but as we look at it through the lens of 2024, you should also look at these investigations here through that lens as well. ttempt from republicans to continue muddying the waters at least and trying to get something to stick to the president's son hunter even as we're watching trump appointed prosecutors at the center of that probe saying that there is no "there" there in the way that
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is under a flash flood emergency after 4 to 6 inches of rain fell overnight leading to two rescues and reports of submerged cars and roads. meanwhile 77 million people there southern california to miami are under heat alerts today. yesterday phoenix hit 19 condition secretary could you difference days above 110 degrees. and breaking a 49 year old record. and in florida at this hour, a vigil is being held for a 30-year-old, a former in homestead, his family says he died from heat stress earlier this month while working. continuing now to a critical hearing where a federal judge will hear a challenge to the biden administration immigration response in a case that could reshape for people seeking
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asylum. immigration advocates are suing saying that the rule violates federal law that allows people to seek asylum once they reach u.s. soil. and this as we learn of allegations of a texas state trooper calling the state's response to migrants inhumane according to an email. the texas state trooper said that officials were instructed to push migrants back into the water sending them back to mexico, withhold water from people crossing the border. texas department of public safety denies the allegations. joining us now with more is julia ainsley. what more are we learning about the previously unreported >> reporter: well, they are coming from a texas state trooper who sent an email to the organization who said look, the things that i've witnessed are inhumane. says that he was along the eagle
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pass area in texas where he was ordered by other state troopers to push migrants back into the water. he recalled some horrific incidents including one where a 4-year-old passed out from exhaustion when he was held back because of that dangerous wire, a woman stuck in wire and she appeared to be having a miscarriage. and also orders to push people back into the rio grande waters. and he says that he thought those were inhumane. of course when i did talk to texas department of public safety, they said that that is outrageous, we'd never order those things and our troopers are told to respond to anyone in need of medical and i had. >> and we're showing pictures of the barriers in the eagle pass area. this is the u.s. side of the river. but that is also extremely dangerous for people trying to get through to request asylum
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which is not illegal. >> reporter: that's right. and it should be illegal to deter. it is usually a word we see previous administrations at least on a federal avoid that they are deterring migrants coming across. and there was a father who had to rescue his son after the son clung to what he thought was a float and it turned out to be a barrel covered in that wire. so a lot of dangers have always been in the waters and they made it so much worse. >> and another tragic situation, this one in in in mississippi, a 16-year-old boy died while working in a poultry plant? >> reporter: that's right. the coroner says he was 16. we just got the police report and we understand that devon tomas was working in the plant
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age as often happens when they need funds to repay the smugglers. he was still in middle school. and he was trying to clean one of the machines and was pulled in and bystanders said that he was begging for help takes happened. tragic, but points to the larger issue of what is happening when minors come here. they are desperate to repay their smugglers. some of the unaccompanied smugglers have to repay the people they are living with and they end up taking some of the dangerous jobs that are illegal for anyone under the age of 18 to have. >> just want to sw picture again of the 16-year-old boy. julia, thank you for being with us. that is a little kid who lost his life. up next, new details about how a u.s. soldier ended up in custody in north korea. we'll hear from a tourist who
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charges and released last week. matt bradley is live for us in seoul. >> reporter: and we're learning that i spoke with somebody who was on that tour, a new zealand tour and that he didn't really make much of an impress. he bought a hat in the store. and he bolted, ran for the line and went across and she said that everybody was so shocked, some of the soldiers ran after him, tried to tackle him, they didn't get close because he was running at full gas. here is what she told me. >> i noticed this guy running really fast sort of in a line to what is the north korea side. and my initial thought was like oh, my god, he ispicture, the a
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picture of what happened, we're also hearing more about his time here in south korea. you know, he only joined the army, private king, back in january 2021. still not entirely clear on when he came to seoul. but hes has been arrested or detained probably three times. most of them involving assaults detained probably three times. most of them involving assaults. he was charged once or maybe twice. and he spent time we understand in a south korean jail. so he was a uniformed old engineer serving in a south korean jail and he was on his way to the airport here in seoul on his way back to the united states where he would face
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further military discipline, possibly a discharge, and that is when he tried to make a run for the border. this morning new data is giving us a closer look at the staft housing market. mortgage applications increased 1.1%. the interest rate for a 30 year fixed rate mortgage finally ticked down a bit to under 7% just least week. and joining us more a dominic ch new numbers showing home constructions slowing down, what do you see? >> it basically says that the real estate industry is in a state of flux. it is trying to normalize so to speak. we've been seeing a a lot of the conflicting data the last several months. and what this new data indicates is that there not a clear trend to latch on to. what we know is it that there is a real shortage of homes available for sale. and with interest rates being higher, it has made afford ability an issue still.
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applications tend to be more volatile and sensitive to hire rates. more applications happen often timer when rates tick lower. construction is growing but at a slower pace than economists predict ed predicted. it may suggest that home builders are trying to plan for future business with a lot of uncertainty about rates, material costs, that sort of thing. >> and predictions, since i want to know as much as i can about the economy and everything else, i follow you on twitter, and you tweeted out about the consensus on whether there is a recession coming to the u.s. or not. >> so interesting, yes, i did tweet that out. in a lot of reporting that we do, we talk to folks and between last year and this year, this same time last year, there was a lot of consensus building that we were headed for a recession. now that whole narrative has
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changed. a slew of economists and even wall street ceos are now ratcheting down their predictions for a him looking recession. and that echos what some biden officials have been saying.look recession. and that echos what some biden officials have been saying. we heard a chief economist lower his probability for recession in the next 12 months to just 20%. it was 25% before. and then just yesterday, investment banking ceo james gorman said it takes a lot of guts to bet against the u.s. economy noting that banks are relatively healthy and consumers are relatively strong and we're not seeing widespread weakness in the job market. >> and dominic chu or the domino on twitter, correct? >> yes, it is, sir. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. coming up, could yet another possible indictment boost former president trump's '24 campaign? we'll talk about that next.
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and a poll taken after the last indictment, his lead over his gop rivals grew. will this election be any different, is this a pattern now? >> well, it has been so far and so we ought to be cautious about making predictions about any other result at this point. there is a difference of course between this indictment and the previous two if this one is issued. this one goes to the heart of our democracy in a way that the other two don't. first one is about hush money, second one about the handling of classified documents. this one is about an attempt to overturn an election that the president lost. and spreading lies about that. that goes to a much more fundamental question and it will be a real challenge i think for republicans to decide whether that is something that they still support if donald trump will be their nominee. >> jonathan, the other gop candidates are being overshadowed by all the legal developments. several address the target
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letter on tuesday. let's take a listen. >> i'm not convinced that the president acting on bad advice of a group of crank lawyers that came into the white house in the days before january 6 is actually criminal. >> i still believe that the doj is in fact weaponizing the tools of our country against their political opponents. >> i think that it was shown how he was in the white house and didn't do anything while things were going on. she have come out more forcefully. >> so it seems as though desantis may be coming the closest to criticizing trump. is this something that could be turning or is this a oneoff? >> i think that desantis' critics would say that he could have said that more forcefully in terms of criticizing trump. look, i don't think that this
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will change. these candidates are boxed into their positions. they have had 2 1/2 positions to analyze their positions and they haven't done it. even mike pence, people calling for him to be hanged, does not think that this rises to the level of criminality he says. and so these folks are in these positions and i think that it would be very difficult to move out of them. i think that it is interesting that we've heard them pass judgment without any evidence though in terms of saying that this is being weaponized or it doesn't rise to the level of a criminal complaint. >> and meanwhile, peter, what are you hearing about how the white house will plan to react to the latest trump legal development? >> i think that you will hear crickets. they don't want to say anything or be a part of this conversation. the more they do, they feed into the line that this is a partisan
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investigation rather than a neutral one by an independent or semi autonomous justice department. so you won't hear president biden or his people say anything at least near term. down the road when they get into a closer campaign debate, that may change. but for the most they don't want to do anything to look like that they are anyway steering the prosecution. and there is not any evidence that they have been. republicans talk about weaponizing. it is true that the justice department appointed -- the attorney general appointed by the president of the united states, president biden, but no evidence that president biden has had any involvement in the investigation at all unlike president trump who repeatedly tried to get the justice department to forgive his friends. so i think that you will hear nothing from the white house near term. >> jonathan, peter, thank you both so much. up next, what we're learning about the 16 people now facing felony charges accused in a scheme to keep president trump in power in 2020. plus emotional testimony in a court hearing challenging
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prosecutors filed what maybe the first charges in connection with the scheme to use fake electors to overturn the elections of the 2020 presidential election. michigan, attorney general, announced felony election law and forgery charges against 16 pro trump republicans who signed significance claiming they were the states real electors. >> they weren't the duly elected and qualified electors. and each of the defendants knew it. they carried out these actions with the hope and belief that the electoral votes of michigan 2020 election would be awarded to the candidate of their choosing. >> nbc news senior reporter
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joins us now with more. good morning. have any of these fake electors responded? >> so the more senior elected -- fake electors that we reached out to have not responded to us. but a couple of them have spoken before the charges during an investigation period and after, our during this is a political witch hunt. some even said they didn't know what they were signing, there was one woman who is charged who said she believed she was signing a sign in sheet, and attendance sheet at this meeting that she thought was aimed at supporting trump. so it remains to be seen exactly how these people will defend themselves against serious felony charges. many of them carrying significant prison sentences. >> what is happening in fake elections with another state? >> the first state charges we have seen, and of course federal charges we've seen against fake electors have not been filed. whether they are, remains to be. seen some states have declined to prosecute.
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nevada's attorney general also -- they are not going to bring charges against these people. other states have warned the fake electors that they could face criminal charges. those have not been filed yet. we will be watching this closely. >> thank you very much. also this morning, women from across sections have come to austin for a case, challenging the states abortion ban. state court is hearing testimony from four women who were part of a lawsuit that claimed that they were denied abortions, quote, despite serious pregnancy complications. some of them nearly died. and be, sees lindsey riders joins us now. what are we learning today? >> it's good to be with you. this is the first lawsuit of its time in which didn't women were dubbed by -- denied abortions with pregnancy complications. they're suing the state. since roe v. wade was overturned. texas has a six-week abortion ban. it allows for intervention if the person is at risk. but the center for reproductive
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rights, which filed a lawsuit on behalf of 15 plaintiffs, said that doctors find that language bag. they were they could lose medical license, they could get a, fine they could be in prison for up to 99 years. let's go show you a list of people were gonna hear from in the two days of hearings. some of these names you might be familiar with. her name is on the lawsuit, she is told that her pregnancy was not viable. this is what she was told. >> she said, unfortunately, miscarriage wasn't abbott-able. and so we were with complete certainty going to lose our daughter. i wanted to start the health care process. i wanted to start the grieving process. because of the laws that had gone into law -- she could not intervene because the baby's heart still beating. and so inducing labor would have been illegal. >> the testimony has been so
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emotional. at times she broke down. i will tell you these details are disturbing. i will warn you. she became septic. her water ended up breaking at 18, weeks even, than they still wouldn't intervene because the babies harp still beating. jose, she ended up giving birth and her daughter, who she named willow, was not alive at that time. so i want to give you more details here about what this state said in their opening arguments. they are saying the plaintiffs are on an ideological mission. they say the court is not to serve a legislative function. they also say the blame is misplaced on the state. they say, josé, that they are legit agencies were the result of their own medical providers failing them. so we're going to hear testimony over the next two days. the judge can either decide to put a temporary hold on the six-week abortion ban in texas or the judge can throw out the lawsuit altogether. we're also going to hear from a woman, one of her twins with diagnosed with a fatal
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condition, another woman who gave birth to a baby died four hours after birth, we're going to hear from ob/gyn who she yourself had to travel across state lines because her pregnancy wasn't viable. josé, two days of very emotional testimony with potential large ripple effects here as we wait to see what is the first of its kind since the dobbs decision, jose. >> lindsey reiser, thank you so very much. before we go this morning, new developments in the murder case of rap icon, to patrick, are more than 25 years after his death. las vegas police said, in a statement, the search right in their ongoing homicide investigation. they have no further comments. shocker, a six-time grammy nominee with five number one albums was 25 years old when he died in a drive-by shooting in las vegas. it is largely considered one of the most influential and versatile musicians and rappers of his time. that wraps up the hour for me.
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