desperate. i describe them in the security council as a bully on the playground who can't get their way. so communications between linda thomas-greenfield and the russian ambassador now at the u.n. and the security council not good. as you know, russia has just vetoed the grain deal, which is going to deny grain to the world and increase world hunger. >> yeah, another key issue there. andrea mitchell on the ground at aspen, we appreciate you. ben rhodes, always nice to have you here. thanks so much. that will do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. good afternoon, i'm chris jansing live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. inside the brand new details we're learning about what exactly was in that target letter former president donald trump says he got tied to jack smith's investigation of efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. that looming indictment fueling brand new attacks on the doj

from top republicans. >> what they're doing like with the department of justice, they've totally weaponized it. it's weaponized like we've never had this before. >> the fast expanding trump legal calendar and its intersection with the 2024 political calendar has major implications not just for trump but his opponents. and could another indictment be the one to move the needle with republican voters? nightmare opt runway, passengers stuck in a plane in 111 degree heat with no air-conditioning. what the airline is now saying. and alive and giving speeches in belarus, the new video not independently verified by nbc but reporting to show the wagner chief, yevgeny prigozhin for the first time since he challenged putin and meeting with his fighters. the potentially significant clue in the mystery of what happened to a man who defied putin. but we begin with the

mounting legal pressure facing former president donald trump, just as his incredibly crowded trial calendar is coming into sharper focus with judge aileen cannon promising a prompt decision on when his classified documents case will start. the schedule is looking to dominate the 2024 political season. right now potentially four trials over the course of six months and in total, seven court battles that could happen. we're also learning more about that letter sent to trump from the special counsel. nbc confirming it mentions three federal statutes, deprivation of rights under color of law, conspiracy to defraud the u.s. and witness tampering. until now, trump's various legal challenges have registered barely a blip, but at least one 2024 challenger is hoping the crush of charges will catch up to trump with voters. >> it's going to keep on going. i mean, the rest of this primary election is going to be in reference to trump is going to

be about lawsuits. it's going to be about legal fees. it's going to be about judges and it's just going to continue to be a further and further distraction, and that's why i am running is because we need a new generational leader. we can't keep dealing with this drama. we can't keep dealing with the negativity. >> joining me now nbc news justice correspondent ken dilanian, nbc's garrett haake who's been covering the trump campaign, also with us former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner. >> we're learning about new testimony tomorrow before the garage? >> yeah, that's right, chris. among the three statutes, the witness tampering statute is also -- and glenn will correct me if i'm wrong, the same statute that covers obstruction of an official proceeding and that's the one we've been

focusing on for a long time and what many legal experts believed was part of the theory of this case along with the conspiracy to defraud the united states. the general theory is that donald trump and people around him knew he had lost the election, but they nonetheless perpetrated a fraud in a number of ways including through fund-raising, through the slates of fake electors, through using the letters of government in an effort to impede the lawful transfer of power. that's what it looks like. in terms of the third one, deprivation of rights under color of law. there's new information, for example, that special counsel has subpoenaed information about video of what was happening in fulton county. remember, that's where those two mother and daughter poll workers who testified so movingly in front of the january 6th committee said their lives had been changed by the false allegations that were made by rudy giuliani about fraud that wasn't actually fraud. in terms of the new witness, he's been there before, former

white house aide named william russell, a young 30 something aide. so it's not believed that he has precise material information, but it may more have to do with his prom sick proximity to dona trump, things he saw and heard. >> it's all about that proximity. let's go back to the letter and what we're learning about it. what does this list of federal statutes tell you and do you make anything significant out of the fact that it doesn't mention incitement? >> yeah, you know, first of all, i think we should all understand that this is not an exhaustive list. for example, if, you know, after the expiration of the four days donald trump was given to decide whether he wants to appear before the grand jury, which i think we all sense will not happen, jack smith then moves to returning indictments. i don't think there's any chance you're only going to seek three charges. i think this was intended to sort of give a flavor of some of

the charges being investigated concerning donald trump and what some of the charges might look like. chris, i think you hit the nail on the head. i was a little surprised not to see inciting or assisting or engaging in an insurrection. of course that's one of the charges that the january 6th house select committee referred donald trump to the department of justice for investigation and possible prosecution. i don't think that means it's off the table, but i did find it to be something of a curiosity that it wasn't included in that target letter. >> so garrett take us insides trump campaign. what's the mood now. i'm trying to get a sense of what it must be like as his political team really has to juggle what his legal team is up to. >> yeah, it's really difficult to separate the two quite honestly within trump's orbit, chris. i can tell you that an indictment from the special counsel on this issue is something that the trump team,

both teams have long expected, and it's something they've built into their political messaging. in fact, their political messaging is largely indistinguishable going back to the first indictment in new york to what we're seeing now with the special counsel. it's all about the idea that donald trump is being targeted for his front runner status. where they are in the campaign right now, they feel like it's working for them. here's how trump himself described this on fox news last night. >> it doesn't seem to bother you, like i think it would bother so many other people. what is it about you that it doesn't? >> no, it bothers me. it bothers me for everybody in this incredible sold out audience. it bothers you. i got the letter on sunday night, think of it. i don't think they've ever sent a letter on sunday interference. never been done like this in the history of our country, and it's a disgrace. >> you change the letter reference there to, you know, the reports that he was going to

be indicted in new york and zhao would have basically a clip that we're playing now in july. the messaging here has been consistent. the fund-raising off this issue has been good. for where trump is now in the political calendar it works. as you showed that graphic, if you end up with a bunch of hearings, potential trial dates, juggling back and forth between washington, new york, maybe georgia in the heat of presidential primary season, things get much more complicated, and then it will be the legal team calling the shots for the political team in a way that could be difficult to manage in a complicated primary. >> it boggles the mind. carol, as i was listening to donald trump on hannity, i was thinking it's one thing to say it bothers you in terms of fund raising and he has been masterful at that, taking these things that have happened to him that in any other situation would be disastrous and he's making millions. i wonder if it's an indication of the breadth of legal peril, that it is very real.

in fact, it's almost reaching critical mass. i wonder if that's part of what's going on in his answer to hannity last night. >> you know, chris, it's hard to know exactly what's going on in donald trump's mind, but if you look at past behavior as sort of an indicator of what's going on here, i would say that one of donald trump's tells about how he feels and how undermining and worried he is about this is that he goes to the nuclear option and many of his public speeches by saying, you know, when they indict me, they're indicting you. when they try to go after me and they try to attack me and use the department of justice against me, they're going after you and/or you're next. that very personal message that he uses with his supporters and voters generally is, again, that kind of like last resort kind of

defense he has used in the past when he is feeling particularly up against the ropes in the boxing ring. i'd also just emphasize something garrett referenced about the political calendar. you know, the department of justice and the fbi really only began investigating this in earnest 14 months after donald trump's pretty fraudulent, clearly fraudulent effort to claim fraud, to use it as a way to overturn the election results. his pressure points that he applied in every possible way as president using every lever available to him in the oval office, pressuring his department of justice to do something that was fraudulent, pressuring vice president pence to do something that was unconstitutional, pressuring state legislative leaders to claim fraud when they knew there was no fraud. all of these elements were not investigated for more than a year, and now jack smith, who's done an amazing job of catchup is at the place where he can

send a target letter saying we're possibly going to indict you. we need you to come in and testify now and give your version of the story. that's what a target letter is in this instance is coming right in the middle of a cycle when it best suits donald trump to go for that last resort of, hey, it's all political. it's all to get you through getting me. >> he is nothing if not consistent in that messaging. so glenn, we're also getting in details that former arizona governor doug ducey is cooperating about the election interference case. the az central put it like this, quote, that gulp you just heard, that was trump envisioning the feel of the legal noose that's tightening around his neck. what do you make of doug ducey and what he could bring to this investigation? >> you know, chris, it really does feel like an embarrassment of prosecutorial riches. there are so many potential

crimes, so many potential conspiracies for jack smith to investigate, whether it was, you know, the literal attack that donald trump launched on the capitol on january 6th trying to stop, his word, the certification of joe biden's win. of course he said stop the steal, which helps provide evidence of his corrupt intent because everyone had told him the election wasn't stolen. you have an illegal pressure campaign on mike pence trying to get him to violate the law and refuse to certify the election. and then you have this fake elector scheme, right? seven states. and i don't think anybody believes that these electors in these seven battleground states coincidentally and spontaneously decided to engage in this scheme offering fake electors trying to displace joe biden as the election winner. it has felt all along, and i think the circumstantial evidence bears this out, like a

washington top down orchestration that was pushed out by folks like john eastman to the state. so i think all of this is going to really prove to be a very rich investigative vein for jack smith. >> finally, going back to the fund-raising, less than 24 hours after trump announced he was a target in the special counsel investigation, the former first lady, melania trump, and we don't see or hear from her very much, sent out a rare email to her political list. what was it exactly? >> chris, i was sitting at this desk getting ready to do a television hit. i opened it with high interest to discover it was an opportunity to buy a man on the moon commemorative nft in honor of the apollo 11 anniversary that we're in the middle of right now. i wish i could tell you more about this. i reached out to the first lady's office to determine where the money, 75 bucks a pop goes for this. i have not gotten a response. it's possible it's just a side

hustle. >> garrett haake, keep us posted will you please? ken dilanian, carol leonnig, thank you all. glenn, you're going to stick around. still to come, a party divided over former president trump's legal issues, how rivals are responding in 60 seconds. want a smarter way to mop? introducing the new swiffer powermop. an all-in-one cleaning tool with hundreds of scrubbing strips- that absorb and lock dirt away, for a mop and bucket clean in half the time. mop smarter with the new swiffer powermop.

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in my opinion -- and i think it's a clear fact pattern -- that they are hunting republicans. ment tara set mayer is a senior adviser to the lincoln project. nbc's vaughn hillyard joins me here. what more are we hearing from opponents? there are a very few who actually said something critical. >> right, chris christie and asa hutchinson, i feel like we're going to be talking about them for the months to come as long as their presidential bids go because they're the two that are keen on actually going on the offensive against donald trump. if you take a look at the statement from asa hutchinson, it's telling. calling for the suspension of the campaign, quote, while donald trump would like the american people to believe that he is the victim in this situation, the truth is that the real victims of january 6th were our democracy, our rule of law, and those capitol police officers who worked valiantly to protect our capitol. if you see what then chris christie in a tweet he put out suggesting that as a former prosecutor, i want to see any

potential indictment before i talk about the case against donald trump. that said, let me be clear, his conduct on january 6th proves he doesn't care about our country and our constitution. one other data point here, asa hutchinson and chris christie when they've gone before crowds like asa hutchinson did in florida this weekend, they get booed. they have a kunl percentage points of support here. what we have seen consistently is that the vast majority of the republican electorate is sympathetic to donald trump. in a poll in may, 67% of republican voters said that joe biden is an illegitimate president in their minds, and when you look at the strategy and the perhaps hesitancy of ron desantis and nikki haley in taking on donald trump directly around the events of january 6th, that polling evidence of where the republican electorate views donald trump's actions is understandable from a political

end. >> here's another way of looking at it and i'm going to get to ron desantis in a second. when you look at everyone else not only not criticizing him but defending him, you know, in talking about things like hunting republicans, i guess my question is if you're at 0 or 2% or 3%, obviously it's not working so far against donald trump. what do you have to lose? >> yeah, those comments are cringe worthy, and it still astonishes me that the party that claimed to be law is and order, the party that claimed to be about constitutionality issue the party that waved around sanctimoniously their pocket constitutions on the floor during barack obama's presidency has seemingly thrown all that out the window in order to continue to defend a scoff log like donald trump. it's alarming to me in a lot of of ways because, yes, chris

christie and asa hutchinson are saying the right things. imagine if the leadership of the republican party had the backbone to actually say those things collectively. we'd have a very different republican party today, but they don't. they continue to be a party of pariahs and paranoid conspiracy theorists that would rather undermine our constitutional law and order than take on donald trump directly and call out his behavior for what it is. it's contemptible, but they're not doing it. and what speaks volumes about where the republican party has now gone that the electorate, that their base would boo people who are speaking the truth and talking about law and order, basic principles of what the republicans used to be. it tells you that the party is no longer a viable party that believes in our democracy. if they did, there's no possible way you'd continue to deafen donald trump's actions. >> so president biden is not responding to the trump news, no surprise, right? but the biden/harris campaign released an unrelated new ad highlighting president biden's

accomplishment, and it features an unlikely surrogate. let me play that. >> joe biden had the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs that is actually finishing what fdr started that lbj expanded on and joe biden is attempting to complete. programs to address education, medical care, urban problems, rural poverty, transportation, medicare, medicaid, labor unions, and he still is working on it. >> you know a thing or two about making effective campaign ads, how do you rate this one? >> well, i'm thrilled to see this. this is the way for the biden campaign to finally punch back in a way that shows their accomplishments, lincoln project coincidentally put an ad out earlier in the day similar to this, and we saw joe biden's ad

later in the day, and said, yes, this is how you do it. you saw the reaction to it. it's been overwhelmingly positive, and when the republicans give you a fastball down the middle like this, you take advantage of it. you swing and you hit a home run. that's what the biden campaign did, and they need to continue to do that. i've said this repeatedly that in order to combat the misinformation that republicans are putting out there, you have to emphasize president biden's accomplishments which there are many and tangible ones that are impactful and positive for the american people. and this is one way to start doing it. good for them. >> who thought it would be her, tara setmayer, vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. we want to get you up to speed on this, republican presidential candidate doug burgum has exceeded the donor requirement to qualify for the first debate. they've got more than 40,000 donations. he offered an incentive to

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. some breaking news. we have brand new video of the head of the wagner rebellion, yvgeny prigozhin seeming to meet with his fighters in belarus. >> welcome to hell. >> the video was posted by a wagner linked social media channel, nbc news cannot independently verify if it is indeed prigozhin and when or where it was filmed, but if it is recent, it solves the mystery of where he's been and raises the question of what's next. nbc's josh lederman is following the latest on this for us. josh, what more do we know about this? >> reporter: well, chris, the story of yevgeny prigozhin keeps getting weirder and more steers. the last we heard from ber goshen, the belarusian leader said he never had gone to belarus as planned, and we saw

prigozhin in that bizarre three-hour meeting in the kremlin with president putin just weeks after he had mounted that attempted rebellion against the russian leader. now he apparently is in belarus, according to this video, which while we can't confirm when it was shot, it is believed to have been sometime this week. and in the video, he tells his fighters who are now apparently in belarus, that essentially we're done with ukraine. what's happening on the front lines he calls a shame, and says we don't need to be part of that. so what are you going to do instead? he says they're going to train the belarus military to be the second strongest military in the world. interestingly, he doesn't say who he's referring to as the first most powerful military, presumably he means his home country of russia, but he says after that, we're going to embark on a new journey into africa, which is raising a lot of questions. we know the wagner group has been very active in africa in the central african republic, in mali, some of the reporting that richard engel has done recently.

then per goshen leaves open the possibility that at some point he and his mercenary group may return to fight in ukraine if the situation improves there, but this is really adding to the mystery about what is happening between him and president putin. we heard today from the leader of mi 6, the british intelligence service saying even they are unclear about exactly what's happening, chris. >> you are right, this is wild stuff. josh lederman, i know you'll keep on top of it for us. thank you. in crimea, 2,000 people were forced to evacuate when a fire broke out at a military training grounds. that's according to the region's russian installed governor. ukrainian reports that an ammunition depot was on fire at the base after an overnight ukrainian air attack. social media videos and photos show building flames and smoke rising from an area that appears uninhabited. the explosion also forced a local highway to close. today against the backdrop of recent tensions after pramila

jayapal's comments towards israel and the notable absence of her democratic colleagues who opted out of the event, israel's president addressed a joint session of congress. nbc's ryan nobles is live from capitol hill. so ryan, what are the takeaways from these remarks, and what reaction did you hear from congressional leaders? >> reporter: well, chris, overall the mood in the room was very bipartisan and very supportive of the president's remarks, and there was certainly an effort by members of congress to show how strong the bond is between israel and the united states. and it was something the president himself seemed to appreciate as he recognized the 75th anniversary of israel as a jewish state and thanked the united states for their support. take a listen. >> yet today at this moment in my people's history, gathering on capitol hill to celebrate 75 years of israeli independence with our greatest partner and friend the united states of america, my soul is overflowing

with pride and joy. >> reporter: but as you rightly point out, chris, there are some loud and very strong dissenting voices, not particularly directed at israel itself but more its current regime, largely in the form of the current prime minister benjamin netanyahu. we saw a group of democrats not participate in this speech today, pramila jayapal also among that group that did not attend the speech, her office saying she had a scheduling conflict. we should also point out that senator bernie sanders of vermont did not attend the speech as well. while the bond between israel and the united states remains an important priority in terms of the foreign policy of the u.s., there are still lingering concerns about the interaction with the palestinian people, the work toward a two-state solution, all of these things are issues that are hotly debated here in the congress and of course it comes as the potential of a netanyahu visit to washington is now on the

table as president biden has said that he has spoken to netanyahu about such a possibility. there is also a question as to whether or not kevin mccarthy will invite netanyahu to give a speech similar to the one herzog gave today. at this point mccarthy said if biden doesn't invite netanyahu to washington, he will do so. if that happens we'll likely see more controversy particularly from the democratic side of the aisle. >> no doubt about that. thank you so much. now to the recruiting crisis affecting the u.s. military. the army says this year it expects to be 15,000 short of its target of 65,000 recruits, all other branches except for space force are also anticipating recruiting shortfalls in the thousands. the pentagon is taking steps to rectify the situation, increasing recruitment on high school campuses and developing programs to help pass the qualification exam. but there's another hiccup and you have got to hear this to believe it. according to their reports, only

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new questions today about how far reaching the consequences of trying to overturn the presidential election really are. the latest example from michigan where 16 people now face a long list of charges from the attorney general for signing paperwork falsely claiming that president donald trump won the 2020 election. of course just yesterday we learned former president trump has been told he's a target on special counsel jack smith's investigation into efforts to overturn the election and the justice department says they've arrested more than a thousand people in connection with the attack on the capitol. joining me now, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst glenn kirschner and nbc's jane tim is here with the latest. the first charges against electors anywhere in the country, what do we know about the charges and about the people? >> so 16 people have been hit with eight felony counts. these are serious felony, many of them are 14-year felonies.

>> what? >> while some of these false electors who posed as the electors, the official electors to the electoral college and signed paperwork that made its way to the u.s. senate and national archives say this is a political witch hunt by the attorney general, a democrat. she tried to head that argument off in her remarks yesterday. let's take a listen to what she said. >> undoubtedly there will be those who claim these charges are political in nature, but where there is overwhelming evidence of guilt in respect to multiple crimes, the most political act i could engage in as a prosecutor would be to take no action at all. >> of course she's going to have to prove they knew they were doing this. there's definitely some of these people who said they didn't really know what they were signing, had told local media that. we'll wait and see. >> when you look at the charges, it's clear she means business. how tough will it be for her to prove? >> it will be challenging,

chris, and when i first heard about, you know, this first batch of charges being brought against state so-called fake electors, it sort of raised three questions. you know, why did it take so long? there's been some reporting that a.g. nessel had referred these matters to the department of justice quite a while ago to see if they would be willing to pursue them. i guess as time went by she decided to take matters into her own hands, and now we have the first prosecution of state fake electors. second question is will other attorneys general perhaps be inspired by this, maybe even feel a subtle pressure to open investigations into state fake electors in their jurisdictions. and then the question, which i think is maybe the most interests is will state prosecutions of fake electors yield information that perhaps could be valuable to jack smith in his federal investigation into state electors. it could very well be that some of these state electors decide

to plead guilty, accept responsibility for their crimes, and cooperate with a.g. nessel. that could very well produce valuable information about whether washington was involved and what folks like john eastman or even donald trump may have done in furtherance of the fake elector scheme. >> so give us an example of the questions that could be asked that might be helpful to jack smith or lead to something in his own investigation. what are we talking about more specifically here? >> oh, chris, these 16 state fake electors who are now charged with felony crimes facing the very real prospect of prison terms, each one will be grilled on who came to you and proposed to you that you should execute these fake, you know, elector certificates and then do everything you could to make them seem like they were real, they were legitimate, they were

authentic. who did you talk with? i think they would have to acquire cell phone records and emails and text messages and see how this information was brought to each and every fake elector. and if they get different answers, they're going to be able to play one against another, and i have a feeling this is a real danger zone for the folks in washington, not just for the people being prosecuted in michigan. >> so interesting. is this it, jane, or is nessel maybe not done yet here? >> you know, she's hinted that she might bring charges against other people saying the investigation is not done and they're not precluing other charges. i guess the big question is who organized all this in several states. you know what i mean? if they can get bigger names they're going to want those. >> thank you both so much. and still to come, the 2024 campaigns are raking in the cash, but the candidate with the most money isn't even running

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might expect. with us now "new york times" political and investigative reporter nicholas confessore who is also an msnbc political analyst. great to see you, nick. let's start with the presidential race and this super pac that's planning a $40 million ad buy for senator tim scott. this campaign hasn't gotten a lot of attention, so what does this tell us? >> well, look, it's the moon shot strategy, the pole vault strategy of presidential campaigns. you find a few super wealthy people who will put money into a super pac, and they try to blitz the air waves with money, get your name i.d. kind of out of the basement and get you into the first or second tier of candidates. tim scott is kind of that third tier, the rest of the field is just desantis and trump. this is an effort to kind of pole vault him over the rest of

the candidates into that first or second tier and see if he can get some attention, some backing from the voters. >> all right, one candidate has more cash on hand than anyone, and he's not even running for president. i'm talking about adam schiff, the congressman, $30 million after raising 8 million in the second quarter. that is one of the hottest races next year that he's running in, and it takes tens of millions, right, to run a statewide race in vast california. how significant is this number? >> it's a lot of money, but he's going to need all of it. it's going to be a very competitive race, most of the democratic primary voters there are undecided. as you pointed out, california is a media state. you can't really win in california the way you can in new hampshire by pressing the flash and going to town halls. you win by having enough money to get yourself on the air in two or three of the most expensive markets for media in the entire country. he's doing very well. he's really parlayed the modern

fund-raising game as well as anybody can. he had a starring role in the impeachment drama. you parlay that into frequent appearances on cable and network tv. he used that to raise money from small donors. he also has the backing of nancy pelosi, who's probably the best fundraiser in congress, and finally, you know, schiff has the right enemies. every time he's called out by donald trump and the republicans, the censure resolution, it's painful for the congressman i'm sure. it also kind of brings in money from small donors who see him as somebody they have to support and protect. question, but, you know, what's the ceiling here? i mean, act blue, which is the democratic fundraising vehicle changed the game in many ways, but the last couple of presidential cycles, i thought, wow, we are hitting numbers i never thought we would get to. and yet now it's looking like even that is not going to be enough this year. i mean, is there a ceiling.

is there just really that much money out there, nick? >> it's a great question. i mean, chris, i remember the first time i saw the tim scott strategy at play as a reporter was a in 2011, 2012, and newt gingrich had the backing of shelton adel,son, it was $20 million, it was eye poppingy this is twice that amount of money. i think the truth is there are a lot of rich people in the u.s., there's a lot of wealth, and they're going to spend it. and i think you canleg see waye money thanca this. the question is will it matter? one big phase change that happened in american politics was in 2016 when donald trump showed you didn't really need the big donors in the same way. you can findme your own new big donors as he didbi eventually. really, he was supported by all mixture w of his own money as wl as small donors.

it has changed the game. >> nick confessore, fascinating stuff. i'm sure we'll talknfin about i again. thank you so much, good to see you my friend. delta air lines is apologizing after things got a lot hotter in las vegas than they should ever be. a delayed flight had to be cancelled after several passengers and at leastse one cw memberon got sick monday while waiting to take off for atlanta. the plane and everyone on board stuck on the tarmac for hours in 111 degree conditions, to rtedly for between three four hours, with no air-conditioning. the plane turned back to the gate becausern people started passing out. delta says at least two victims wentsa to the hospital, and it investigating what happened. in our next hour, i'll be speaking with a climate expert about this brutal summer and the extreme weather we're seeing all across the country. more potential trouble for airlines ahead as pilots across the country are already on strike for pay raises.

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capitol hill this week over whether to allow airline pilots to keep flying past the mandatory retirement age, which is 65 as airlines grapple with staffing shortages during the busy summer travel season.

nbc news correspondent tom costello has late. >> reporter: despite an all out push to hire more pilots faster, the nation's airlines are expecting a shortage of 34,000 pilots by 2030. after thousands left during the pandemic and with even more set to retire, under u.s. law, airline pilots must retire at the age of 65, though many insist they're better than ever. american captain dan goebel talked to us just before he was forced to retire. . you're about to turn 65, why do you want to stay in the cockpit? >> because i can do the job as well as a 40-year-old. pass all my faa mandated physicals, and quite frankly, i've got more experience. experience does matter. >> reporter: in denver, united airlines is certifying pilots around the clock who are moving up from smaller, regional carriers, leaving the regionals short on pilots. >> our goal is to hire 10,000

pilots by the year 2030. half of those, 5,000, are going to come from the academy down in phoenix. >> reporter: it was 2007 when congress last raised the retirement age from 60 to 65. now it may raise it again, this time to 67. >> there's an about absolute shortage of pilots, we're seeing it every day. >> reporter: other countries have no retirement age. but america's biggest pilots union argues it may not be safe to keep older pilots because some may have undiagnosed health issues. >> there's no data that say it's okay, and we don't do that. >> reporter: many airlines, the faa and the white house also oppose raising the mandatory retirement age arguing making this change without doing research and establishing any necessary policies would be outside the international standard. a u.s. change could force the

international standard set by icao to move to 67. erica, part of the new generation of pilots is a united airlines first officer and living her dream. >> you graduated with $100,000 in student loan debt and yet you still want to do this? >> yes, i couldn't imagine doing anything else. it's an amazing lifestyle. i've seen the whole world. i wouldn't trade it for anything. >> tom costello, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. ♪♪ at this hour, the special counsel zeros in on battleground states as he investigating former president donald trump for election interference. arizona's governor confirming he's cooperating and in georgia, a request to get footage from a major voting center. also, texas