megan's choice. >> not a bad assignment this month. we'll be cheering for team usa, 9:00 p.m. tomorrow night on peacock and telemundo, the spanish language broadcast. that's going to do it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" follow me @peter alexander. "chris jansing reports" begins right now. good afternoon, i'm chris jansing here at msnbc headquarters in new york city. special counsel jack smith today bringing a member of donald trump's inner circle back before the grand jury, looking at efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. what does will russell know that warrants another appearance, and why, given the chance to appear before the grand jury himself is trump apparently staying home? and any minute now, president biden with what a new poll suggests is a risky strategy.

pushing the economic policy he calls bidenomics as the path to victory in 2024. and that new poll has insights into dissatisfied voters unhappy with the economy, and the front runners for the president. also this hour, new information on the american soldier who sprinted across the border into north korea. his family pleading for his release while that isolated communist country remains silent. >> i know he in a real bad place, a bad situation, and i'm hoping that they let him come home. he'll be back around his mama. get him some help, something like that. just be back around his family. we begin in washington, d.c. where today testifying before special counsel jack smith's grand jury is the man who was, to borrow a phrase, in the room where it happened. this time, though, that room was a tent. you can see william russell with president trump on january 6th, 2021, in this photo from the

january 6th committee. they're at the ellipse event before the capital siege when it's worth remembering, donald trump said this. we won this election, and we won it be a landslide. you don't concede when there's theft involved. our country has had enough. we will not take it anymore. >> you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore. >> russell, an aide to trump at the white house who then moved with him to florida is both loyal to the former president and privy to key events. the question is how he fits into what we now know are three key statutes that could guide the charges against donald trump. russell has already testified multiple times, and was never even mentioned in the january 6th committee report, so what does he have to add today? and one more note, today is the day trump says was his deadline to go to d.c. and make his case before the grand jury himself,

but as nbc reported yesterday, he has no plans to travel. and again, this is all just one possible case. 2 1/2 years after rioters stormed the capitol, as ap puts it, donald trump is increasing legal peril as investigations into his struggles to cling to power after his election loss appear to be coming to a head. i want to bring in nbc justice correspondent ken dilanian, former republican congressman from florida, and msnbc political analyst, david jolly. also with us, former u.s. attorney in georgia, michael moore. good to have you here. what more can the jury learn from william russell. this is somebody who wasn't even mentioned in the j-6 committee report? >> that's one of the things that's so fascinating about his repeat appearances before the grand jury. it's a reminder that special counsel jack smith has information that even the january 6th committee, as thorough as that investigation was, did not have.

and, you know, we can only speculate at this point about what will russell is bringing to the table. he was a young 30-something special assistant. deputy director of white house advanced operations, and as you said, he stayed with former president trump after he left office. he was paid by the save america pac. which figures into the investigation in terms of jack smith looking at how money was raised in terms of allegations of election fraud. one of the things he may bring to the table is simple proximity to mr. trump at various particular moments. he may be in a position to testify about exactly what mr. trump said in particular meetings. that's the hardest thing for the special counsel to get is donald trump's words. there's only a handful of people that are actually speaking to the president, and that may be one of the things that will russell can talk about. >> michael, i haven't even brought this up. under subpoena, jack smith has

been given security video from a polling site that was the subject of election fraud claims in your state. what does that tell you? how does that potentially fit in his case? >> i'm glad to be with all of you. i'm not surprised to see this grand jury process, and that is to make sure he answers any questions that may be out there as he's thinking about what defenses may be raised. the security tape will be important. simply to show that the allegation is made against these poll workers in georgia were, in fact, falsnd is that you're seeing this young aide brought back into the grand jury to likely close up some loopholes that are there dealing with the conspiracy charges and who knew what and when did they know it, and was there an agreement to do something in some way to defraud the united states. remember, a conspiracy really takes an agreement between two or more people, and it takes some overt act in furtherance of that agreement.

so you may have him coming in now to testify simply, yes, i heard them say we were going to do this, you know, this is how we're going to proceed to make sure we can stop the electoral count or whatever it may be. nothing wrong with the former president or anybody else talking to lawyers and trying to spit ball ideas and brainstorm, no matter how scatterbrained they may be. and certainly in this case, they were. the problem comes in to when it crosses the line to some type of deception and criminality. >> so, david, there's the law, and then there's politics. house speaker kevin mccarthy has flip-flopped on president trump's handling of january 6th. take a listen. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters, he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. except to share responsibility, quell the brewing unrest. >> after january 6th, you said donald trump bears some responsibility for the attack on the capitol.

if he's found criminally responsible, will you respect the results? >> i don't see how he could be found criminally responsible. he did not charge it -- well, what criminal activity did he do. he told people to be peaceful? >> what do you make of this new view, david, of january 6th by kevin mccarthy, and is it likely to land anywhere, but with the maga base that already agrees with him. >> yeah, i think kevin mccarthy should listen to the sound you played to the president on january 6th, coming into the segment, the promulgation of the rally, of the big lie and the confession that he refused to succeed. those were the presidents words before the senate process was interrupted and the transfer of power was a peaceful one. kevin mccarthy knows that, a lot of viewers probably question both his political and arguably his moral consistency as leader of the house. he will do whatever it takes to protect donald trump, and i

would suggest not only by his own words but by empowering his chairs of his committees to investigate the investigators, to try to interfere with the possible indictment of donald trump, something we have never seen capitol hill do before, and also to unleash his investigators now on the sitting president to try to create a counter narrative. i served with kevin mccarthy, my respect for him is not high. i'll leave it to viewers to make their own determination. i imagine it's shared by many today. >> let me go back to the two big things that happened today, we have somebody who as we've said, has been there before. coming back in front of the grand jury, maybe. maybe even likely as you point out, filling in the blanks, right, maybe somebody has testified since the last time he was there, and they want to get some clarifications, and you have donald trump, apparently, by his own social media postings said today was the last day he could go himself before the grand jury. here's apparently decided not to do that.

when you look at those things, what do you see on the trump legal calendar? if he's indicted here, when do you think that might come, and what do you think the chances are if there is a trial, then, that it would happen before the election? >> yeah, well, not appearing before the grand jury is really about the only stable genius thing that i have seen him do in the legal defense here. there's no benefit to him at this point, by appearing there. what that does is opens up the calendar for jack smith to move forward with an indictment. i wouldn't be surprised at all if the grand jury votes quickly. i believe by the deadline set in the letter, you're going to see that. i think the grand jury could vote as early as this week, and likely that the indictment would be sealed. and that the court would seal that until such time as an arrangement could be made for the former president's surrender, and those types of things. there's really nothing else for them to be talking about. a grand jury is just to decide probable cause. you don't have to put your whole case on. you don't have to lay out every

witness, cover every hole that's there. you have to give them enough to think there's probable cause that a crime has been committed. i think you're likely to see an indictment very quickly. i think it could be as early as this week. if it was, it would be sealed, and then they'll move forward. the problem for the special counsel and what jack is going to have to deal with is the calendar, he not only has to battle the public perception and interplay of politics and law, he's going to have to deal with the calendar, and the reality is we're getting very close to a time where i think any judge would find it patently unfair to move forward with the trial before the election. let's think about it this way, if you're the trump team, you're going to say, judge, how long has it taken since indictment to trial for the department of justice to move forward on some of the january 6th defendants, and i think you're going to hear it's going to have been a year and in excess of a year, and judge, why is the department willing to treat the former

president differently than they have treated other defendants by rushing him as if somehow the choice to bring the case now or in the middle of an election season, so i just think that the calendar is the kind of thing that probably the special counsel is dealing with now, and trying to figure out are we going to be talking about january 6th indictment or case, a documents trial, or are we going to let some of these state things move forward and keep our powder dry until after the election. at some point it's going to become unmanageable and give credence to the argument that the former president is likely to make, giving the appearance of a persecution and not a prosecution. now, it's not true. i think it's something that they're going to have to face and be ready to answer to a court when they say why should we move this case quicker than we have in other matters. >> we're waiting to hear from your fellow georgian, fani willis on whether or not she's

going to bring charges. in the midst of all of this, if that's not enough, donald trump, according to his lawyers, wants the house to expunge his two impeachments. kevin mccarthy was asked about it. he said he's in favor of it, but there's no deal to get it done right now. what do you think the chances are that happens, and is there any risk at all for republicans in that? >> based on the behavior of house republicans, i think it's probably a high likelihood that they will try to do this. the question is among their own caucus with a margin of five extra votes, would they actually get it done. to bring it up and fail, it would be a disaster. two members of the republican caucus, you have to take those off the board. and kevin mccarthy would do it to curry favor with donald trump. kevin mccarthy has not endorsed anyone for president. the most important thing is it's

meaningless. it doesn't actually exist. expungement of an impeachment, and a congress that occurred after the old one has gone away does not actually have any legal merit. it is a talking point for house republicans, a talking point for donald trump, but historically meaningless. >> ken dilanian and michael moore, thank you both. david jolly, please stick around. president biden touting his economic message as a new poll raises red flags for the president and former president donald trump. the surprising thing a large number of americans are now open to when it comes to a presidential candidate. that's coming up in 60 seconds. presidential candidate that's coming up in 60 seconds

president biden delivering remarks on the economy right now in philadelphia and facing an electorate in the summer of

discontent, dissatisfied with the 2024 front runners from both major parties, nearly half of all voters would now consider a third-party candidate. that quinnipiac poll showing critical independent voters would consider supporting an outside candidate by a two-to-one margin. their number one issue, the economy. a primary focus for the president this summer. a new cnbc survey shows his economic approval numbers rising three points today, but still under water. it's a bit of a risky strategic bet that biden is making and talking about that the economy will turn around enough to convince voters to reelect him. >> we're just starting to feel the impact of the president's economic agenda over the last couple of years. >> we understand that some people just don't feel it quite yet. the polls don't tell the entire story, and so we're going to continue to have the conversation. we're going to continue to have the conversation with the american people. >> how long do you think it will

take -- >> i don't have a time line for you. >> the question now is will the strategy and patience pay off? joining me now nbc's allie raffa. msnbc political analyst, david jolly, and "new york times" correspondent peter baker, also an msnbc contributor. so from the folks you talked to, how confident is joe biden, the campaign, the white house, that this bet will pay off? >> reporter: the president, the white house, the biden campaign is so confident in their economic messaging and their economic plan that we know they've made that economic plan really the president's name sake. they are crediting this bidenomics agenda for investing so much more, millions of dollars in manufacturing, in clean energy investments. they're crediting this reduction in inflation for more jobs, that agenda for doing so, and they're heavily relying on it and leaning on it.

the president is speaking out in philadelphia so note worthy is the backdrop that it comes against, as he's touting his political, economic, rather agenda, we know because we have been covering these current and looming strikes from major unions. hollywood producers and writers, auto workers, ups employees, these potential strikes that could threaten that economic agenda that the president is touting, and so the president is walking a fine line here. he's trying to remain loyal to these unions that he never hesitates to mention. have gotten him through his political career, that he's so supportive of. but he's treading a fine line in that he knows that that potential extra support could potentially threaten that economic plan that he's touting throughout his first term, and in turn, his reelection bid. as these negotiations continue, we're hearing the white house continue to say that they support these union workers, but

they're trying to stay involved, and in touch with these union workers while also keeping this safe distance from being too involved. so that's what the president is struggling with right now, as he continues to try to preserve this economic agenda. he's touting especially in his speech in philadelphia, while dealing with these looming potential strikes, chris. >> so david, they do seem really to be banking on this. how safe a bet do you think it is or how risky a strategy? >> well, i think it's important. ening the rollout of bidenomics is good old fashioned branding of the economic recovery to get the american voter to better understand it. real wages are going up. inflation is coming down, but you still have some hard challenges within the economy. there's a growing affordability crisis for some in certain pockets of the country. food and shelter, two places where the consumer feels it most is still at a historic high in terms of inflation. what joe biden is saying is,

look, i have started this recovery, and it is working. we have invested in infrastructure and ladders of opportunity for health care and education for all people, and joe biden wants the american people to understand his economic leadership because ultimately it draws a contrast with the primary message of republicans, which is chaos, arguably some anti-democratic themes from donald trump, and culture wars. if joe biden is talking about improving everybody's lives with better economics, and republicans are talking about culture wars and anti-democratic themes, joe biden is in a very good place going into next november. >> we know there's a lot of frustration among biden supporters, within the biden white house about the numbers he's under water, and it's not just the economy. it's his overall approval rating. it's foreign policy, you go down the line of things in this quinnipiac poll. it's been a month since they started the push on bidenomics, do they feel they're seeing traction, what is it that gives

them this level of confidence? >> it's a couple of things. they have a story to tell. unemployment is at or near a half century low. stock markets are up. inflation is down at 3%. the economy today is not that different than it was when president trump had it pre-pandemic, and things were going well then. trump was a better salesman, a phenomenal job at saying over and over again, the greatest economy ever, and even though it wasn't the greatest economy ever, it had an impact on consumer confidence, poll numbers and the like. biden is trying to instill that same confidence in the people who still don't quite feel what he's telling them, right, that they may feel their own economic situation is unsettled. he's trying to tell them things are better, things will get better, and trying to get through them in a way he hasn't been successful so far. not going to happen in a week, a month, it's going to have to be a consistent message to work. he has some confidence that by the time the voters show up at

polling booths next year, maybe the message will have gotten through, as long as the economy stays in reasonably good shape. >> there's always a conversation, as you know, peter, about how many different kinds of conversations you want to have with the american voter. clearly at front and center is the economy, and the polls would certainly suggest it's top of mind for many voters. there's also in this latest poll, the suggestion that for democrats, protecting democracy is the leading issue. how much do they plan to lean into that and what are the conversations you're hearing about the messaging? because there are some folks who say, you know, pick one argument and stick with it. >> yeah, when you see the word preserve democracy, you can read that as donald trump. what argument that the biden folks will make, especially to democrats, even independents is look, whatever unhappiness you may have with what we're doing, it's a whole lot better than donald trump. you can't trust him with power

again. look at what happens when he had power last time. it's a very salient argue with a lot of democrats, even democrats that are not particularly happy with the way things are going. time and time again, polls show democrats would rather somebody other than joe biden run for the democratic nomination, but if push came to shove, they still would rather have him as much as they have disappointments in him. you hear the word democracy, see donald trump. >> allie raffa, thank you, david jolly, thank you, peter baker please stay with me. the severe weather we have been seeing all summer continues, how communities across the country are dealing with these dangerous conditions. more emotional testimony in texas from women denied abortions despite experiencing serious pregnancy complications. what we heard today on the stand. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc this is american infrastructure,

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people. roads, cars, even some homes completely submerged. meanwhile, large parts of the country from oklahoma to north carolina are on alert for storms today. nearly 60 million people could be in the pathway of intense winds, damaging hail, and even the potential for tornadoes. nbc's maggie vespa is on the ground in mayfield, kentucky, what's the latest from there? >> we'll begin here with something of a hopeful sight. the water receding, this break is not expected to last very long. another round of severe showers and storms is headed this way. potentially producing more flooding, severe winds, even potentially tornadoes, knowing there could be a round two, kentucky's governor declaring a state of emergency, helping people get funds they need to clean up and brace for a repeat today. yesterday's system is the same one that also pommelled parts of

north carolina. an ef3 tornado confirmed about an hour east of raleigh yesterday with wind speeds topping 150 miles per hour. four people there sent to the hospital, and a massive manufacturing plant from the drug maker or owned by the drug maker pfizer sustained severe damage. and then kind of also in the array of severe weather we're tracking that brutal extreme heat wave continues to tighten its grip on millions of americans from california to florida, in fact phoenix is set to hit three straight weeks of temperatures above 110 degrees and counting. >> maggie vespa, thank you for that. that extreme heat is continuing to define this summer. right now, more than 120 million people, that's more than a third of the country, remain under extreme heat alerts. in addition to cities like phoenix that have been seeing historic heat numbers, it's been the hottest start to july on record in baton rouge, louisiana, tampa, florida, today

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still no word that north korea has responded to u.s. attempts to discuss travis king, the american soldier who bolted across the heavily armed border and is currently in north korean custody. why he did it remains a mystery, though king's family tells nbc news he was grieving the death of a young cousin and hadn't

been acting like himself recently. nbc's matt bradley is reporting from seoul, south korea, and peter baker is back with us. matt, what more can you tell us about king, and what's being done right now to try to get him back? >> reporter: chris, we have been hearing from king's family once again, and this time they've given us more information. they are shocked and surprised, not just because king threw himself over the border into north korea. that would be surprising behavior even for the most troubled youth, but his run-ins with the law in seoul and he was facing disciplinary charges that might have seen him. >> i want to know what was going on in his mind. i can't see him doing it. he's the type of person, to himself, that's out of his character, then even like

drinking and stuff like that, that's out of his character. he never did that around us. >> reporter: and, you know, chris, you were mentioning what efforts have been done to get him back. we heard from the united states government, courtney kube said it was almost certain he was going to face further disciplinary actions when he went back to the states and said rather revealingly, that despite the few avenues of communication between washington and pyongyang, she believes there's no success in reaching north korea. the silence is enduring, and we're entering day three of a diplomatic crisis. there's real attempts by the united states to reach out to pyongyang, and they have been answered and rebuffed with absolutely nothing. chris. >> peter you've covered the case of otto warmbier, he was

released a vegetative state and later died. i want to play what his father. >> he willingly ran across the border, that makes him quite a bit different than your son. >> absolutely. but now that he's there, the facts are the same. they're going to hold him hostage and use him as a political prisoner. >> reporter: >> peter what do you make of the fact that north korea isn't responding to the u.s. right now. >> it's not entirely unusual for north korea not to respond ton a timely basis. we don't have a good relationship with pyongyang. it may take time before there's contact act this. there is a difference between this case and otto warmbier. he willingly, seemingly went across the border. he is a u.s. soldier. this is the first time we have had a u.s. military member go across the border in 40 years. that puts him in a different category as a civilian who

happened to have been taken and held hostage as otto warmbier's father said. they feel a great obligation to ascertain his whereabouts and condition. make sure he's doing well, and do whatever they can to secure his release. north korea tried to get something out of it. this is not a place where americans are welcome. when they go across the border, they often find themselves in a bad situation. >> you hinted at this. it comes as tensions between north korea and the u.s. are high. especially after those recent tests of long-range missiles. so talk about the context that this is all playing out in, what it could mean for king's case. >> unlike president trump who met three times with kim jong un. they haven't seen a reason to attempt diplomacy on the nuclear issue that has absorbed the two countries for years because they

don't see a result of that. as a result, you see the leaders of pyongyang from time to time looking to get attention, put themselves on the radar screen of the international community, and this is one way they might be able to do that. that's why you probably hear american officials trying to down play the incident because they don't believe the higher publicity will help them obtain king's release, but you understand, of course, why king's family would want more attention on this in order to try to get the government to act as aggressively and assertively as possible. >> matt bradley and peter baker, thank you so much. the case of an inmate sentenced to die, raising questions about any state's ability to carry out an execution. plus, critics call it affirmative action for the rich. the president of wesleyan university joins me live on the school's decision to end legacy admissions. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc help make trading feel effortless.

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2021. in ohio, it's more than five years, and difficulty in getting the drugs. joining me professor and founding director at neuroscience law center, debra deno, and civil rights attorney, david henderson. deborah, i know you have done extensive research on capital punishment and lethal injection. why is this an issue that continues years after it was first raised? >> it's a huge level of competence among department of corrections in this country. lethal injection was first used in 1982. it's been over four decades of botch after botch after botch. it sounds like this is just a recent development, but it's been the norm for this method of execution. >> david, you know what this is like. you prosecuted a multiple murder case where the death penalty was a possibility. do you believe there is a humane way to perform executions?

>> chris, honestly, no. and again, this is coming from someone who has prosecuted a case where we were seeking death for someone who murdered several family members. you don't realize the stark realities until you're actually picking a jury, and going through the process. but to pick a jury in a capital murder case, your vote may lead to someone being put to death by lethal injection, are you capable of doing that for the person sitting across the table from you. the people who answer yes shake you to your core, in terms of thinking through what you're doing, and the execution, alabama alone, july of 2022, they tried to put judge aims to death, it took three hours because they couldn't find his vein. at a certain point, these problems are so widespread, we have to stop and ask ourselves, what are we doing, especially when in instances like joe james family didn't want to see him put to death. >> alabama doesn't require a unanimous vote of a jury to send someone to death row, i think,

but what do jurors have to consider when they take that vote generally, david? is the driving force behind the death penalty punishment or deterrence? >> there's a difference between what jurors are supposed to think about, chris, and what they actually do think about. from experience, they tend to think about the severity of the crime. james barber did commit a terrible crime against an elderly person, he bludgeoned her to death. they're supposed to look at the likelihood that someone will continue to commit future acts of violence, and there's no mitigating reason to give them life over death. it's very rare for someone to actually meet all of those requirements, but again, jurors tend to get wrapped up in the emotional content of the case immediately before them which is somewhat understandable, but they're supposed to walk through the rest of the analysis as well. >> do you have a sense, deborah, of why this has become so gruesome? anyone who's read reports of people who have been the subject

of botched death penalty cases, if you think of european countries where there is no death penalty, but in places where there is physician assisted suicide, you don't have these kinds of problems. what is happening specifically, and i know you mentioned incompetence among prisons, but i'm still trying to figure out why they can't get this right? >> well, they can't get it right for several reasons. i mean, first of all, this is not a procedure taking place in a hospital or someone's home that you would see with assisted suicide, that you would see in european countries or something like that. it's taking place in a prison with people who really don't know what they're doing. many times or most times we don't have any idea the qualifications or backgrounds of these executioners. number two is that department of corrections want to keep these

problems secret. they don't want other people to know about it. assisted suicide where european countries would want this process to be humane, and number three, we're not dealing with competent executioners or physicians or nurses or anybody like that. i have done two nationwide surveys of lethal injection across the qualifications the inmates who are being injected, many of them history of drug abuse, in which case, their veins i are not goi to be accessible to even a qualified injector much less somebody who has no idea what they're doing. prisoners are nervous, et

cetera. and in a prison setting, it's just -- it's nothing like a hospital. that's why we see this over and over and over again for decades. i have been studying lethal injection for over 30 years. this is the norm, these botches, and it's only gotten worse in the last decade. >> david we only have a minute left. let me ask you, do you think part of this is frankly it's hard for a lot of people to have sympathy for somebody, let's take the case you were involved with, the death penalty case. three people died, a pregnant woman among them. it's hard to have sympathy for peoplemp in prison for the most heinous, violent of crimes, and yet, what would you say to them about theul way we know many of these death penalty, many of these executions go. >> chris, i would say you're absolutely correct, my response so that isul two-fold. one, i have prosecuted every time of violent crime there is.

closure does not come in a courtroom. courtrooms are nototom places f healing. there's a reason it says state versus whomever is on trial, not the victim's family versus whomevervi is on trial. we have an impassion system that's supposed to look and consider, look, this is awful, but we also need to do something awful in response, and if the person can be incarcerated for the rest of their life, is it actually necessary. however, we're actually seeing a reversal, where yet more states are moving towards doing what alabama is e doing, and keep in mind, you need a unanimous jury to convict you for stealing a candy bar. >> david henderson, deborah, thank you so much. it's been such an important conversation. and we'll be right back. portant conversation and we'll be right back. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services for everyone who lives here. ♪

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