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through north carolina, obliterating homes and businesses, even tearing the steeple off of a church. now those same people who got hit are left to pick up the pieces in 90 degree heat. but that's nothing compared to the southwest when just when folks thought it couldn't get any more uncomfortable, temperatures are forecast to hit 115 over the weekend. we'll have the latest coming up. but we again with the critical decision we've been waiting for, learning just hours ago that donald trump's trial on charges of mishandling classified documents will begin on may 20th of next year in fort pierce, florida. meaning the intersection of the primary calendar and trump's legal calendar is starting to get very crowded. that's smack dab in the middle of the 2024 primary race. by this time last time, 25 state -- by this time, 25 states will have already voted. and it's about the time that he clinched the nomination back in

2016. in 2024, if the trial does start on time, it will be less than two months before the republican convention and 169 days before the election. and since he's a criminal defendant, he's required to be in court, potentially pulling him off the campaign trail for weeks at a time. i want to bring in nbc's garrett haake who's been following the trump campaign. "washington post" deputy national editor and msnbc political analyst, phil rucker, and former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst barbara mcquade. so much to get to. barbara, these are all the hearings between now and the court date. is each one an opportunity for trump's legal team to try to get the trial pushed back? is it pretty much set in stone? they wanted to wait until after the election. >> yeah, this strikes me as a very reasonable trial schedule, but it's not set in stone. judge cannon seems to be doing what the law requires here, which is to set a date that is

feasible for the lawyers to do all they need to do to give the defense time to review all of the discovery, to prepare and research all the motions it wants to file, but it does require her to set a date certain, which she has done now with this may 20th date. the trump team wanted to just sort of suspend it indefinitely until sometime after the november election. but it is not set in stone. i have often said trial dates are made to be moved. it's one of the most frustrating thing about practicing as a trial lawyer how frequently dates to get moved. it would require something complex. it might be if she grants a motion it's the government that wants to appeal that to the court of appeals and that could delay things. all of it is governed by something called a speedy trial act, which has specific rules about what will and will not allow the clock to stop. it can't stop just for anything. if there's a matter that is particularly complex, she could extend that trial date if necessary. >> so garrett, have we heard any

reaction out of trump world? >> not really. the former president doesn't want to see this trial move forward at all. his legal team argued for it to happen after the election. he was calling it election interference. today on his social media platform he's mostly been focused on other topics including his feud with fox news and a new proposal having to deal with human traffickers. i would just say some of the reason why having covered campaigns for a long time, if this trial does start in the middle of may, that's almost an ideal place to park it in the political calendar. if he's going to be the republican nominee, he would likely have it all but sewn you will by then. that's a time when candidates sometimes go dark to focus on fund-raising and other things ahead of the conventions later in the summer. he wouldn't get that opportunity to be off the campaign trail and recuperate and fundraiser. he would be in court. at least it wouldn't be right in the teeth of the early primary

season, which is where the action usually is. >> we're also getting new details on what we first reported during this hour, actually i think during the 2:00 hour yesterday. "the new york times" called it courtroom chaos. let me summarize it. a lawyer representing a witness before the special counsel's grand jury kind of got stuck there. he was actually supposed to be at the verdict for one of his january 6th capitol riot clients. the judge wasn't happy about any of it. he basically in kind of a shocking move said he wanted to know what was going on in the grand jury that was so important and we not a little revelation that it had to do with questions of executive privilege. with all of that as the backdrop, why do so many defendants seem or are they using so few lawyers in these big lie cases? >> well, chris, it's a great question. let's first keep in mind that the federal court house here in washington has had a huge amount

of activity over the last year or more as so many of these january 6th rioters and other defendants have been prosecuted, many of them convicted in that courtroom. and so it's been a hub of activity as it relates to january 6th and the pro-trump forces. but when you start to look at the people and the layers closer to trump, a lot of those trump allies and associates do have similar or overlapping legal defense teams. that's not new just for the january 6th related cases, that was a similar pattern that we saw when trump was president in the white house where there were a few lawyers who seemed to represent a large number of white house official in sort of some of the previous investigations including the mueller special counsel about russia. it's just a small network of lawyers who are, you know, willing to work for people in trump's political circle. >> a guy named stanley woodward

as "politico" puts it he's a law nerd in a world of political operatives and it's the separation that he has from the trump loyalty at any cost mentality that's made him ep embroiled in the legal morass that's followed trump. to have someone who doesn't attack the justice system like he does, like his allies does, is this a smart move on the part of defendants? >> i think it is, chris, because i think sometimes people like donald trump who are accustomed to being powerful like to surround themselves with sycophants, people who tell them they're always right, and a good lawyer will tell their client when they're wrong, will tell them what is what and will explain to them that when the evidence is strong you need to take a plea or you need to cut your losses. we'll see whether donald trump

listens to him, it seems frequently those are the people who get cast aside in favor of those who demonstrate loyalty. but i think in the same way you want to have a doctor telling you the truth about what's wrong, the same way you want to have a lawyer telling you the cold hard facts. >> a source with direct knowledge tells nbc that michael cohen is expected to settle with the trump organization. they've been having this fight over what was supposedly a $1.3 million legal bill. trump's a guy who said repeatedly over decades he doesn't settlement. he wins. so what do you make of this settlement? phil? >> oh, yeah, i think it's a pretty interesting settlement in that cohen has been at odds with the trump organization bitterly for the last several years in part because of all of the public statements and testimony that he's given against trump and against the trump organization. so the settlement is a very interesting development here and

is not something that i think we expected to be happening right now. >> is that anything you had heard rumblings about from trump world, that they were working on potentially? i know you're saying no, nothing there. >> i think the bottom lean is -- line is, a case that start next week when they're on indictment watch for the former president on this other case, may have just been the kind of thing that a million dollars to a billionaire client is probably not the biggest thing in the world to get this cleared off the schedule and simply have one less thing to worry about. >> which leads me to the question, barbara, and it's highly speculative, and i know you deal constantly in facts, which is why you're such a good lawyer. you do wonder with all these different cases and so many things roiling about, and the time, the attention, all of that takes, in addition, obviously to a little thing like running for president, if there will be considerations in some cases to settle things that he might not

have otherwise? >> i think so. donald trump likes to talk big and say things like i don't settle. i win. he settles all the time. something like 90 to 95% of defendants enter guilty pleas. i can't imagine donald trump entering any sort of guilty plea that would involve prison time. you know, sometimes people are allowed to plead to a misdemeanor or a felony with a sentence of probation. i think if he could work something out like that, he might do it. one of the things that's interesting about the federal system is the justice department does not allow people to take nolo contender pleas. they require people to admit their guilt in court. i don't know whether donald trump is physically capable to admitting his guilt to a crime. thank you all so much. from country music to school curriculum, the republican candidates rushing into the culture wars including a rewrite

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♪ go to your happy price ♪ ♪ priceline ♪ as we speak, the culture wars are escalating on the right with republican candidates rushing to take advantage as they battle what they call the woke left. just some stark examples of the growing divide include a fight over jason aldean's new song "try that in a small town." one critics say is rife with racist and violent overtones, although aldean denies that. some republicans are defending the song as a celebration of american values. down in florida, governor desantis's department of education has rewritten the public school's history curriculum to include a portion describing slavery as beneficial for some slaves. vice president harris who is speaking on this very topic in florida later today is having none of it. >> and speaking of our children,

extremists passbook bans to prevent them from learning our true history. book bans in this year of our lord 2023. and while they do this, check it out, they push forward revisionist history. just yesterday in the state of florida they decided middle school students will be taught that enslaved people benefitted from slavery. they insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it. >> i want to bring in nbc's allie raffa covering the white house, eugene daniels is "politico's" white house correspondent and co-author of the "politico" play book. he's also an msnbc political contributor. john kasich served as the republican governor of ohio and is an msnbc political analyst. let's start in florida, eugene. give us some details about

what's happening there, just the idea of portraying slavery as beneficial. what's that about? >> yeah, this is the end result of what ron desantis and other folks in florida have been seemingly wanting to do for a long time, which is in their eyes they feel like the true history of america and what happened to black people in this country and has continued to happen to black people in this country makes white kids too uncomfortable in schools and that because that history makes folks uncomfortable, it shouldn't be taught. we all know probably on this panel and folks who study this is that being uncomfortable is a way to learn and a way to grow and not make the same mistakes of the past. it is an objective fact that slavery was not beneficial for enslaved people. it was not something that was good for black people. it has put black people behind in this country by generations in the way we operate in this

world. for vice president harris, she's someone who's getting much more comfortable going onto folks' turf and needling them and talking them head on. she went to florida on the 50th anniversary of roe v. wade. she went to tennessee right after the tennessee two of the three were ousted. so the idea of teaching the correct history is something that she clearly talks a lot about. she talked about it when she was in ghana, these off the cuff remarks in ghana she had when i was there talking about how important it is that the next generation understand what we were taught in school and these culture wars where you have some republicans trying to rewrite the history of this country because they're uncomfortable with the facts is something she and the president and the white house have to take on. >> one of the things that will stay with me for a very long time, the first time i was at the museum at the smithsonian

and watched students going by emmett till's casket. the reaction, the visceral reaction that they had. you can't even begin to teach that in a classroom and the conversations that they were having as they left. the naacp responded to this saying they would fight, quote, malicious actors including those inside the desantis administration. what do you see happening here, and is it limited to florida? >> chris, last night my wife -- i got home last night from an event out of town and she was going through looking at her phone, and she said i cannot believe that this could be true, and i said what is it now, sweetheart? and she talked about this, whatever this commission or something saying that, well, let's look at the positive side of what happened with slavery. i said, well, that simply can't be true. she goes, well, i mean, it's being reported. a lot of things get reported. i don't know how much it's true. it turns out it is true that

they're trying to do. i mean, chris, can you believe that? it is so patently absurd. i do not understand what's going through people's minds when they try to talk about, oh, well, look, these people got a skill. it's crazy. so i don't understand who these folks are, and frankly, if desantis was smart about this, he would say that's just wrong. i don't accept it. i'm rejecting it and we're moving on plain and simple. >> some of them you served with, right? i'm not talking about necessarily this specifically, but some of these kinds of ideas, people you know from your years in washington, presumably people you know from when you were governor and i know the easy thing to say is donald trump kind of opened up the flood gates, but it feels like there's something more complex going on here. >> well, it's like the song that aldean has. that's filmed in front of a courthouse where a guy had been lynched, and people say, well, there were other things that

were filmed there like hannah montana. well, but they weren't projecting this on the building. there should have been tremendous sensitivity to that courthouse. you know, chris, it's interesting. yesterday i made -- i spoke and a woman in a question and answer period said why can't we listen to one another? why can't we communicate? i think a large part of it is that we don't put ourselves in other people's shoes. secondly, we are not looking at other people as made in the image of god and i think -- and thirdly, we're not personally getting to know people that we disagree with. if you get to know somebody and you begin to care for somebody that we don't necessarily agree with, you can find some common ground. secondly if you know instinct tivoli you have to respect someone even when they don't agree with you, you can make progress. and thirdly when people try to get you to take the bait and weigh in and become somebody who

wants to engage in a culture war have the fortitude and discipline to say i'm not going to go there. it's all over the place. people are increasingly concerned about it, and they say, well, what can you do about it? i said it's not what i can do about it. it's what you can do about it. how you take responsibility, how you have the discipline. this is a very bad slope that we're on right now. chris, we just got to hope that people are going to realize those kinds of things that i think i suggested plus more and get our act together in this country. division, i mean, we're like a bird with one wing. it doesn't work. >> this is worthy of a longer conversation and i hope we're able to do it at another time. we have to go now to the roosevelt room at the white house where the president, you see him with tech leaders or at least an earlier shot we saw him with tech leaders are talking about artificial intelligence. let's take a listen. >> drive break throughs and responsible ai intervention. and today i'm pleased to announce that these seven

companies have agreed to voluntary commitments for responsible innovation. these commitments, which the companies will implement immediately, underscore three fundamental principles. safety, security, and trust. first, the companies have an obligation to make sure their technology is safe before releasing it to the public. that means testing the capabilities of the systems, assessing their potential risk, and making the results of these assessments public. second, companies must prioritize the security of their systems by safeguarding their models against cyber threats and managing the risk to national security and sharing the best practices and industry standards that are necessary. third, the companies have a duty to earn the people's trust and empower users to make informed decisions labeling content that has been altered or ai generated. bias and discrimination,

strengthening privacy protections and shielding children from harm. and finally, companies have agreed to find ways for ai to help meet society's greatest challenges from cancer to climate change and invest in education and new jobs. to help students and workers prosper from the opportunities and there are enormous opportunities from ai. these commitments are real and concrete. they're going to help this industry fulfill fundamental obligations to americans, to develop trustworthy technologies that benefit and uphold our shared values. we'll see more technology change in the next ten years or even in the next few years than we've seen in the last 50 years. that has been an astounding revelation to me quite frankly. artificial intelligence is going to transform the lives of people around the world. the group here will be critical in shepherding that innovation

with responsibility, and safety by design to earn the trust of americans, and quite frankly, as i met with world leaders, all the g-7 folks the same thing, social media has shown us the harm that powerful technology can do without the right safe guards in place, and i've said at the state of the union that congress needs to pass bipartisan legislation, impose strict limits on data collection, ban targeted advertisements to kids, require companies to put health and safety first, but we must be cleared eyed and vigilants about the threats of emerging technologies that can pose -- don't have to, but can pose it our democracy and our values. americans are seeing how advanced artificial intelligence and the pace of innovation have the power to disrupt jobs ask industries. these commitments are a promising step, but we have a lot more work to do together. realizing the promise of ai

while managing the risk is going to require some new laws, regulation, and oversight. in the weeks ahead i'm going to continue to take executive action to help america lead the way towards responsible innovation, and we're going to work with both parties to develop appropriate legislation and regulation. i'm pleased that leader schumer and leader jeffreys and others in the congress are making this a top priority. as we advance the agenda at home, we'll lead work with our allies and partners on a common international framework to govern the development of ai. i thank these leaders in the room with me today and our partnership, and their commitment thes that they're making. this is a serious responsibility, and we have to get it right, and there's enormous, enormous potential upside as well. so i want to thank you all, and they're about to go down to the meeting, which i'll catch up with them later. thank you, thank you, thank you. >> mr. president, can you tell

us about the hacking of cabinet officials by china and the threshold of concern you have about that, sir? >> the president not taking that question about chinese hacking, something we're going to talk about very shortly. but what he was laying out there was an agreement, a voluntary agreement by seven major companies from microsoft and meta to amazon and google saying they are going to watch carefully the safety of artificial intelligence as it develops. the white house calls these real and concrete steps they've agreed to. they're tentative first steps as congress tries to work out regulatory frameworks. well, it's a story you've likely felt, the first dozen days in july were hotter than ever on record, and now experts warn it's just going to keep getting hotter. we've got a startling new warning from nasa next.

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a stark new warning from nasa, there more brutal heat for the month ahead. in 2024, it's expected to be even hotter than this record breaking summer. already the heat is deadly killing at least a dozen people in the south, including a 10-month-old baby girl in a hot car in florida.

officials tell our local affiliate that temperatures in parked vehicles can jump 20 degrees in just ten minutes. it was more than 133 inside the car where she died. that's why in texas two parents broke the glass of their car after they stenlly locked their baby inside with the keys, racing against the clock in already nearly 100 degree temperatures. they crawled in through the shattered windshield and pulled that infant to safety. then there are the extreme storms hitting the country including unbelievable video of a tornado that pummelled north carolina. check this out, it just ripped the roof off a house. and then there's the devastating flooding inundating the nation. ohio the latest state to be buried in torrential rain. nbc meteorologist bill karins is with me, priscilla thompson is

live from galveston, texas. record temperatures in texas, record energy demand, how are they preparing for what could be a very long haul? >> reporter: yeah, chris, a long haul indeed. we are talking about weeks and weeks and weeks of these record breaking temperatures. we know that there are cooling centers that have opened in various parts of the state to try to help people who may not have ac. as for that energy man, that's something the power grid operator is watching closely. they've been issuing weather watches when they feel like demand is going to be extremely high. urging people to conserve energy and be mindful of those demands. there have not been major issues with the grid. folks are encouraged to stay inside in the ac during these blistering hot temperatures. i'm here at the beach, and there aren't a ton of folks out enjoying the beach on a friday afternoon many july, likely because of just how hot it is here.

it is in the 90s. it feels more like 108, in the 100s here right now, and people are certainly like paying attention to that. you talk about the story of the children being left in cars. to date there have been 14 children this year that have died across the country because of being left in hot cars. that is something that people need to be mindful of right now as we are continuing to deal with this extreme heat. there is also that 71-year-old man who officials say died while hiking in death valley earlier this week in 100 plus degree heat. and the l.a. times interviewed him before he collapsed and died. he was taking shelter under a metal sign there. they spoke to his wife who said that he just really wanted to hike death valley. it was super important to him. people have to be mindful of how hot it is outside and taking the precautions where they can. if you are coming to the beach

and you want to partake in an adult beverage. keep in mind that is not going to hydrate you. that will dehydrate you. one of the things officials are saying folks have to make sure if they're outside you're drinking water and paying attention to the needs of your body during this incredibly long stretch of heat. chris. >> priscilla, i hope you have somewhere air conditioned to go to right now, thank you so much for that report. bill, the record highs, yes, but also the duration of this is something that i don't remember and obviously the records show hasn't happened before. any relief in sight? >> i have my eyes set on the second week in september. >> you're joking, right? >> i kind of am joking, but it may actually stay that hot, especially in the southern half of the country. is this just like the news media making a big deal of a summer heat wave, or is this

exceptionally unusual? the bottom line is we're going to end one this being the warmest july and the warmest month ever recorded for the globe. this is not normal. this is exceptional. these cities are on pace for the hottest july they've recorded, phoenix, flag staff, corpus christi, baton rouge, and we've been telling you the stories of how hot south florida is. we've got climate change and all the urban development in the cities. it's keeping the temperatures on the air. the temperatures don't trop at night. you don't get that relief. we're extending from florida to california. it already feels like 109 in montgomery, alabama. miami continues their streak there and later on this afternoon when we hit our highs in the west, we'll continue to see those temperatures going high. we will be close to records and break a few records once again. this will continue all weekend long. >> these extreme storms as well.

some of the pictures we saw, the ones in north carolina, the torrential downpours, what about that? >> we're not expecting tornados today. doesn't mean we can't get one or two isolated. we are watching a chance of severe storms from the albany area towards hartford, central massachusetts, connecticut also, and then a larger area from memphis, storms heading through atlanta, and then eventually making their way towards areas of georgia. currently in the northeast, the other story we have scattered storms starting. it wasn't too long ago we all those horrific flooding stories in vermont. we are under a flash flood watch. i want to end by showing you the video of the north carolina nash county tornado again that we showed at the beginning of this whole segment. the thing that blows my mind, i have never seen someone filming their roof being peeled off their house. there's no flichlking. there's no cursing. it's just -- and then to your left, the neighbor's house that's only yards away comes rolling right through through the field. i don't know the back story, but

this person was 30 to 40 years away from being that debris and rolling down towards that red truck. yeah, that's the house that just got destroyed next door. >> that's wild. i mean obviously kind of like the kid in the car, right? this is a warning. i know we all like to record our lives, every bit of it, but that seems like maybe a little bit much, bill karins. >> we never see the video of the people that didn't survive that were filming. >> there's that. >> bill karins, thank you, my friend. appreciate it. we got some news breaking last night, and nbc news has confirmed that hackers linked to china have accessed the email accounts of the u.s. ambassador to china, nicholas burns, and the assistant secretary of state for east asia. the breach lasted from may through mid-june around the same time that secretary of state antony blinken made his historic visit to china. according to a u.s. official familiar with the matter, the hack was part of a targeted intelligence gathering campaign pu it appears the breach was limited to the diplomats

unclassified email accounts. joining me live from the aspen security forum, andrea mitchell, host of "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc. i know you sat down with the secretary of state antony blinken a short time ago. what did he have to say about china? >> a lot about china and the rest of the world. we did talk about what priscilla thompson and bill karins and you were just talking about, climate change because our special envoy on climate john kerry was in beijing last week and china refused to agree to any kind of reduction in missions. without china agreeing, nothing is going to happen globally. they are the world's greatest emitter of pollution, more pollutants than the other developed nations in the world combined was that was a big issue. of course i asked about the hack of nick burns, the ambassador who came to beijing from being the head of this security forum

for many years, so well-known to everyone here. it's alarming. it was alarming because it was novel. a cyber attack that was so unusual. they did discover it, and that happened just as secretary blinken was preparing to try to repair relations, which had really crashed after the u.s. shot down that spy balloon. let's watch. >> i can't speak to the direct impact of any particular incident. ky i can say that the incident in question affected only our classified system. >> that's a big deal, the unclassified system, that's huge. >> we now have an ongoing investigation that will determine the impact. as soon as we detected it, which goes back some time, we took immediate steps to make sure that we were strengthening our protections and defenses. of course reported it immediately to microsoft to make sure they were doing everything possible, and as a general matter, i've had opportunities

to speak directly to chinese counterparts about the deep concerns we would have over anything targeting the u.s. government, targeting u.s. companies, targeting u.s. citizens, and the fact that we'll take appropriate action if we need to in response. >> former officials, cyberexperts tell me that one reason this is so alarming is that 90% of the state department and the rest of the government's business is done in the unclassified space. so the chinese got a whole lot of information about america's plans, the administration's plans for resetting the relationship with, you know, china and a lot of other countries as well. and they've got to figure out what was essentially an invasion of our sovereignty. i also talked about the president's very open warning through "the new york times" and tom friedman to israel and prime minister netanyahu about some of his recent policies and the u.s.

concerns about that, russia, clearly prigozhin, puti all of the other issues, the entire interview on nbcnews.com. >> always love having you, andrea. thank you for that. i'm particularly interested in what he had to say about north korea. i will look for that. we should mention that nbc universal news group is the media partner of the aspen security forum. the big campaign reset underway by ron desantis. a recognition that less than two months after he jumped into the race, his campaign is struggling. the impact of russian propaganda, what it's like to watch russian tv for five straight days. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc. you're watching "chris jansing reports" only on msnbc y head & s shampoo.

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exclusive new details today on how ron desantis hopes to fix his flailing campaign plagued by low poll numbers, fund-raising challenges and bad optics. one person told nbc news, quote, the entire campaign is on the brink. but desantis may have sparked new controversy with this statement, just in the last hour, about the january 6th attack on the capitol going farther than he ever has before. >> it was not an insurrection.

these are people that were there to attend a rally, and then they were there to protest. now, it devolved into a riot, but the idea that this was a plan to somehow overthrow the government of the united states is not true, and it's something that the media had spun up just to try to basically, you know, get as much mileage out of it and use it for partisan and political aims. >> so no strategic shift on what has been largely supportive statements about donald trump, who has of course a huge lead over desantis and the rest of the field and is already mapping out his second term. the trump plan, according to multiple reports is to dramatically expand presidential power and then use that power to target his political enemies, including president biden. i want to bring back former republican governor john kasich. so governor, our reporting is that governor desantis's reboot is to expect fewer big speeches, more handshaking in diners and

churches, more national focus. i think than constant florida references and they also say the mainstream media may get more access. this was an interview with an actor russell brand, in which he's essentially denying what happened on january 6th. does that sound like a reboot? >> first of all, i don't understand, why is he doing this with russell brand? and secondly, i can't believe he even started to talk about the fact that there were not people there intent on trying to disrupt the election. that's pure fantasy. i think the issue, chris, we've talked about this before. i'll give you the three principles, if you want to run for president you have to have money. two, you have to have good ideas, and number three, you have to have magic. i think the problem that desantis is running into is he is not connecting with people, and they can make the venue big. they can make the venue small, the issue is are you connecting. are you able to get through.

i'll tell you a little experience i had in iowa. i was there, my wife was with me and i met with this guy, it was like the third time, and he had this big long list ofnotebook. we go through all these questions. i finally get done, and he goes, okay, are you going to be for me now? he goes, oh, we're just getting started. you have to be out there with them, you've got to be in their homes. people have to like you. that's what happened to me in new hampshire where i beat everyone but trump, to finishing second. it's about connecting with people, and you connect with them in different ways. i mean, one of the things i did was, you know, i had this big snowball fight. people say what does that have to do with anything? people are measuring you. they're trying to take the measure of what kind of a person you are so you can be the biggest leader, biggest presidential leader you can have in the country. that's not the only leaders we have. we have other leaders as well. we need more of them. if you want to be a political leader, you want to be president, people have to trust you and they take the measure of

the man or the woman to try to decide, and i think that's where he is struggling. >> to punctuate your point, we've been out. we talk to voters and it's really interesting in the last couple of days what they've told us about ron desantis. i'm going to play a few things for you. >> governor desantis has been an incredible governor for us. i wish that that could be projected on the national level a little bit stronger than it has been. >> i liked past tense ron desantis, however, if i'm being completely honest, he doesn't have theish, you know what i mean? he doesn't have that personality i suppose. just seeing him on the campaign trail hasn't really gotten me so excited about his campaign overall. >> before ron desantis announced i was kind of on board with his candidacy, but i kind of like steve said just not -- he doesn't really have the charisma as much. sfwr so your point, people taking a measure of you, i mean, you know, i think he's obviously made a calculation that even with the supposed reboot that

they've been talking about, they know, you look at the poll numbers, you look at where their dollars are, they know they have to do something. he doesn't criticize trump. he says what he just said to rug russell brand, and to your point, he's talking to brandt. >> to me, it's funny. and nothing against russell brand. >> no, nothing against him. but is that the best use of his time, i guess is the question? >> well, here's the thing, chris, that i don't understand. first of all, he's gone culturally right, hard right. okay. and this woke stuff. there's a certain anger that's being communicated in that, and that doesn't set well with people, i don't think, one on one. secondly, they say they done want to talk about florida. that's what they ought to be talking about. they ought to be talking about what he did to help the everglades, that's an environment thing.

he ought to talk about the fact that he repaired that bridge. they had the big hurricane, knocked out the bridge, he went in and got the bridge rebuilt in a week or two. amazing stuff. there are many things he can talk about that were very positive. all the people moving into florida, the battle he had with gavin newsom, somehow he's got off that track, and somebody's telling him to get off that track, and beyond it. war with disney, everything is woke. you know, everything. and i just don't think it makes any sense because it doesn't put him in as positive a light with as positive a message as he could have. maybe he'll figure it out. i don't think he has to fire his top staff, i think he ought to fire his closest advisers. that's a reboot i think would make more sense. more smiles, more friendly, strength, projection, not anger, not divisiveness. >> i think the problem for that, and you'll understand it given what you have said so far today in your conversations in your

household is that his top advisers, some would say his only adviser is his wife. >> i don't believe that. >> you don't believe it? >> no, i believe she's important, you know. any partner is really critically important, but i don't think that's where it is. i mean, i don't know what goes on there exactly, but, no, i think she's a pretty good asset. i think she's pretty smart, pretty sharp. she's likable. i think there's other people that are surrounding him, pitching him on this hard right trail. check it out. i mean, i don't know all of his people. i suspect there are people who sort of operate in this very trump negative, culture war area, and i don't think it works. i mean, it may work to some degree for some in a primary. you're going to win in a general with that. people don't want that. >> former ohio governor john kasich, always good to have you on. thank you so much. >> thanks, chris, good to be here. one of the most beloved voices in the history of

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career. ♪ oh the good life ♪ >> tony bennett. ♪ i found you just in time ♪ >> reporter: the great singer of the great american song book. ♪ the way you look tonight ♪ >> reporter: his music defining a generation with shiny tuxedos, big bands and smokey jazz joints. ♪ i know i go from rags to riches ♪ >> reporter: before he was tony, testifies ant, a child born of a single mother. >> we love the way you paint. we love the way you sing. i said that's who i am. >> reporter: he dropped out of high school to support his family at age 16 and was later drafted by the army, serving in world war ii. >> i decided when i get out of the army, i'm going to go into show business. >> reporter: he got his big break in 1949 when bob hope saw

him singing in a new york city club, and hire him with one suggestion, that he change his name to tony bennett. ♪ the best is yet to come and babe won't that be fine ♪ >> reporter: a star was born. ♪ san francisco ♪ >> reporter: in 1962, bennett topped the chart with hit "i left my heart in san francisco" winning the first of in grammys. ♪ as i approach the prime of my life ♪ >> reporter: as his career skyrockets, he became an activist in the civil rights movement. and pursued his other art, painting. >> it's a quite celebration. >> reporter: there was a dark underbelly to his discuss. bennett developed a drug addiction in the 1970s and took a ten-year hiatus. he made a comeback in the 1980s. bennett married three times and raised four children.

in 2007, he tied the knot with susan crow after the two dated for decades. meanwhile his popularity skyrocketed in the 2000s when he sang with stars like elton john, paul mccartney, and lady gaga ♪ that's why the lady is a tramp ♪ >> my whole life i love what i do. >> reporter: in 2021, the singer revealed alzheimer's diagnosis and marked a final concert with lady gaga for his 90th birthday. a final farewell, but a lasting legacy ♪ what a life i'm in love ♪ >> reporter: morgan radford, nbc news, new york. >>