to theorizing in a classroom. >> that does it for us, morning joe we'll be back monday morning, have a great rest of your weekend. >> this is the katie phang show. live from washington, d.c.. we've got lots of news to cover, and lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. imminent indictment. special counsel jack smith's january six investigation might deliver a big bag this week for the twice impeached, so far twice indicted, one term ex president. but he has got georgia on his mind. plus, from the campaign trail to the courtroom. trump appointed judge, aileen cannon. sets a trial date in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. and it is during a pivotal

presidential primary. msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner, and joyce vance are standing by to go in-depth on all of trump's legal woes, like only they can. plus, whitewashing ballot history. vice president kamala harris is blistering rebuke of the desantis backed florida education plan, to teach florida students that black people benefited from slavery because it's useful skills. and later, fever pitch. the u.s. women's national soccer team thrives as they try to win a third straight world cup. we will take you to new zealand for a live report, all of that and more is coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ and a good saturday morning to you all. i am katie phang. we begin this hour with our country on the verge of yet another unprecedented moment in

history. we are bracing for that possible third and fourth criminal indictments against a former president, donald trump, potentially dropping over the next few weeks. just days after sending trump a target letter. special counsel jack smith is zeroing in on the january six war room. county d.a. fani willis hints at final charges in her election interference case. let's not forget trump's other criminal case. federal judge, aileen cannon, setting a may 24th date in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. the trial would come after a slew of key states had already held their gop presidential primary elections. in just two months before the republican national convention. where trump could still be the nominee. the may 24 trial date comes months earlier than trump's legal team actually won it. and provides plenty of time to see how his legal troubles play out before the 2024 presidential election in

november. joining me now, nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly is also the author of the forthcoming sedition hunters, ryan, earlier this week former trump aide william russell made his third appearance. maybe three is the charm. before the grand jury, and was questioned about trump's mindset around the 2020 election, and january 6th. could we see more key witnesses called back to this grand jury in the time, and maybe in the next couple of weeks? >> potentially, i think the fact that basically the time is now up for donald trump to appear before the grand jury. the last day they did that was thursday. i am suggesting that we are getting to a pivot point. we will never know obviously because the only people who know where this is going are the members of the grand jury themselves as well as the prosecutors who are far from speaking from this stuff so we have to piece together what we know and it's only three defense attorneys and through witnesses potentially who i have spoken through the grand

jury and are not barred from speaking about what's going on behind closed doors. and they only have a portion of the picture of what is happening so i think there is basically two options which is one that they would return some type of trump indictment that is only really focused on him and then there is a separate track in which they potentially supersede an indictment. or have a separate indictment for other individuals involved in the scheme. my gut is that when you bring in so many people when you're talking about bringing in the war room into this effort if you're talking about adding those other defendants that they would just be no chance of scheduling anything before the 2024 election in terms of a trial. just because you have so many different factors going into it that it really makes it a lot more complicated so essentially i think there is the adoption that they go to with the trump indictment or if they add in these other people than they're just really talking about something that's really, definitely going to be in the postelection states there. >> let's get across that finish

line sooner rather than later. brian thanks for getting us started. for a deeper look into trump's myriad of legal troubles here on set, my friend glenn kirchner. former prosecutors msnbc legal analyst, and host of the justice matters podcast. also joining us another friend. joyce vance, and miss nbc legal analyst, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, the professor at the university and alabama school of law, and the host of the #sistersinlaw podcast. joy you predicted three years ago at least one of the federal charges that had been brought. or consider to be brought by jack smith. for what you have learned over the past few years. from the limited public details have been released. have those details actually just reinforce why that particular statute to 41 which is a civil rights kind of statute. why that could be charged against somebody like donald trump? against somebo>> katie it was ra lucky gassed by an old voting rights lawyer to be completely honest with our viewers.

this statute, which involves a violation of peoples civil rights is something that people think about when they are looking at infringement on people's right to vote, so it was an obvious fit here. as soon as we learned that donald trump was trying to influence georgia's two bit governor, brian kemp, that he called secretary of state, brian raffensperger. and he was trying to interview with the count of the electoral votes in georgia. and to your point, the evidence has only gotten better since then. it seems very likely now that georgia was not the only state. there is a clear body of case law under the statute for these sorts of violations, and something that prosecutors will want in the situation, they won't be looking for novel legal theories, or new approaches, they will want tried and true sorts of strategies that had been affirmed in the past, following convictions in the courts of appeals. they want something that will hold up. >> glenn, other charges include

conspiracy to defraud the united states, these are serious charges. corruptly obstructing an official proceeding, and the civil rights section we just talked about. what are some possible defenses that donald trump could raise, vis-à-vis these particular charges? >> katie, i don't often like to go where i'm about to go, because people are forever saying that it's so hard to prove donald trump's corrupt intent. his criminal state of mind, his guilty mens rhea, i do not agree with that i proved corrupt intent for 30 years in courtrooms, both military and civilian wet far less evidence that has been a mass against donald trump, i think proving donald trump's corrupt intent is like proving that fish swim and birds fly. but yes you do have to prove somebody state of mind and judges will instruct juries every day. ladies and gentlemen, there is no way for you to look into the

human mind of the defendants and glean what his intent was and that is why you are allowed to infer criminal intent from circumstantial evidence from statements a defendant made and there is one more key. statement that to me has always proved donald trump's intent conclusively. when his doj officials and other executive branch agency officials said mister president, there is no fraud. undermining the election results. >> that includes bill barr for example. >> bill barr and richard donahue who have taken notes of what donald trump was saying. what are they saying? i don't care if there is no fraud. just say there was and leave the rest to me. and my republican allies in congress. corrupt intent proved. >> you know joyce, one of the other charges includes conspiracy to defraud the united states, and because of that, i want to know who could

be some of the other people, should we be expecting a superseded indictment to see other defendants that are added to this particular upset of crimes? >> so it's a big potential cast of characters, one suspects that prosecutors will be focused on jeffrey clark, this was the head of the environmental resources division inside of the doj who rose to a certain kind of provenance when he caught trump's attention because he was willing to use the justice department to push the false fraud narrative. it seems like if you are talking about a conspiracy, he could be front and center along with some of the lawyers who put together for instance the plan to have fake slates of electors on standby to try to interfere with the vote that would certify the electoral college votes. once lots of different people. the special counsel's office will have to make strategic

decision, something we've seen in the mar-a-lago prosecution is the single-minded desire to get the trial fast. that means that they needed a streamlined case and a simple case. but the contrary principle here will be holding those who are the most responsible for what the country has been through accountable, and that means we are likely to see some of these folks, if they're not cooperating, show up this defense. >> okay so glenn, i have the order from judge aileen cannon, saying the mar-a-lago documents case for trial in may of 20, four for our viewers to understand context, the business fraud case brought by new york a.g. laetitia james october 2nd 2023 trial. casey e. jean carroll's civil trial january 2024. another civil case pop by roberta kaplan for a pyramid scheme, prompted january 29 2024. alvin bragg, manhattan d.a. case, separate trial, march 25th 2024. i mean, putting aside the crime,

the fraud, civilly and criminally by donald trump, do you think that this may 2024 trial date makes sense? >> it makes sense, but the question is will it hold, donald trump's criminal trial dance card is filling up quickly, and we haven't even seen the january 6th indictments, we haven't even seen fani willis's indictment down in georgia, but this is what i know about judges, particularly federal judges. when they set a trial date, especially when they said it ten months down the road? they expected to hold. they set a schedule to make sure that motions can be filed and reply briefs can be filed. oral arguments can be had on those motions and they can be resolved so that everybody is in the shoot for trial. so will judge cannon stick to that may 2024 trial date? listen lots of trials get continued. but i think with ten months lead time for the defense to

prepare and for them to clear the decks of all the legal issues that they need to resolve before they select the jury. i think that may trial should stick and i think that one of the important reasons that it should stake is because if donald trump happens to be the republican nominee for president, that trial needs to be resolved before people go to the vote so the voters will no. am i voting for a convicted felon or a completely exonerated defendant who was cleared of all wrongdoing at trial? >> and glad to your point i also want our viewers to know that the oral arguments entered by judge cannon actually has that scheduled. where things such as deadlines have to be met for cepa purposes, but also pretrial motions. et cetera. you and i have been talking off line often about these cases and one of the things that we talked about was whether or not this case, as in the mar-a-lago documents case is actually just, you know, the beginning of a

tip of fear for not only jacks mitt but we've got that manhattan d.a. case in march of 2024. you and i talked about maybe it's just a place holder. maybe that march 2024 trial case for that state case. maybe it's not a good case for alvin bragg. maybe it's just a place holder date. it's a the first in line person time concept for when it comes to when the trial take place? >> we've also spent so much time talking about who wants to go first when it comes to trying a case involving donald trump. the reality is that the case that will go first will be the case that is ready and on the judges calendar. and what people are not thinking about when we talk about how acceptable trial settings for instance in may are. is that if there is any flipped at all. if there is an appellate issue that is not yet resolved. if donald trump convinces a judge that he cannot be required to go to trial on the date of a primary or political event. it is not a matter of the judge continuing the case for a couple of days or week.

because the government has told aileen cannon for instance that their case will take a couple of weeks to try. donald trump's lawyers have suggested that it could be months. and for a federal judge to find an open block of time like that on her calendar, it's not a simple thing. so that's the risk here. is that any incremental delay will cause the case to be delayed not four weeks, maybe not even for a couple of months, it could be several months down the road, and then we could be passed the election. >> i guess we're gonna have to figure out glenn, whether or not aileen cannon is part of the trump defense team or not. glenn container, joyce vance, i always wish i had more times with you guys. thanks for get me started this morning. and later on the show, rewriting history. florida governor will soon teach students there are benefits to slavery. we're going in-depth on the castro casualties, and desantis's war on woke. but first making the case. how a third trump indictment could not unfold ahead. when we chat with former

republican congressman, deborah ripplemead, we've got so more of the katie phang show. keep it right here on msnbc! right here on msnbc!

>> is there any one who had a -- in obstructing the official event. anyone who had a role in a coordinated attempt to offer fake electors that they knew were false. anyone who took official actions to disrupt the proceedings and to stop a peaceful transfer of power in the name of one person should be held accountable. >> that was congressman pete aguilar, former member of the january 6th select committee. spelling out who should be accountable for the attacks on the democracy after the 2020 presidential election. congressman aguilar is not the only one speaking out. following the news of trump receiving a target letter from special counsel jack smith. former january select committee chair says trump's looming

third indictment is no surprise. he told the hill that by the end of their does investigation the committee didn't think that there was quote any question that trump's fingerprints were all over that violent day. joining me now, former republican congressman from virginia. he is also the coauthor of the breach. the untold story of the investigation into january 6th. debra it's always good to have you. you served as a senior technical adviser to the committee. the one that should be charged with a proceeding and conspiracy to defraud the american government is on the charges. they confirmed some time that the conspiracy is actually in -- the senate president trump. but you actually oppose the referral to the doj by that 16 committee. do you stand by that decision considering what will likely be charge against the former president of the united states? >> sure i do. i didn't want to political, public trust investigation to

go that far that time. but for may i know the doj was going to do it anyway. you have to remember i want to take people back katy. i think people might have forgotten some of this. i don't think people remember about the seven hour gap and phone calls on the car log starting that day in january six. with 187 minutes. i want to bring attention to that. the colleagues will reflect from the official white house correspondents. the fact that they were having calls at that time. listening to glenn earlier when he was talking about intense. my guess is that there is data out there specifically phone records, emails, other things that we didn't have the authorities to actually process. that are being used right now. so for me it is not a surprise either because there were other things out there and millions of lines of data that had not been made public. so i do have some confidence based on what we have seen and it could be quite demanding for all the evidence to come out. >> but you and your team. you did a lot of work. when i'm saying that you guys

went granular. your team really locked the hours to make sure that you could link up people to phone numbers, to text, the emails. to certain calls. i mean your experience as ex military in this particular investigation was helpful in terms of being an intelligence officer. talk to us a little bit maybe top line about the kind of evidence and facts that special counsel jack smith might have received from the 16 committee and any type of transfer of data or information as he was launching his investigation that maybe served the basis for this impending indictment? >> what's amazing is that we had 30 million lines of data. over 30 million lines of data. but sometimes you can only get one side of the calls based on what we could request. we knew that the other calls would come from the white house, we know that other calls were going to certain people with 881 extensions which our cell phone. so we absolutely understood that something was happening with riley planners, even when people on the ground were getting charged. defendants, and oath keepers.

so he's gonna have access to the other side of those calls. he's gonna have access to data that we asked for. and katy is one of those the location they. that finding out and people made the phone calls. that they were in that specific moment. those are things that we couldn't. get however we were able to identify the multiple groups that were involved and we also know about that mark meadows text messages. you think about text, phone, email we also know alternate electors and state legislators were in direct contact with mark meadows to. let's. when glenn talks it's very difficult to see intent. even if you just go back and look at the mark meadows tex meadows and the text messages themselves. if you go back and look for instance why in the hell was an oath keeper testing and giuliani giuliani. when he's working directly for the white house in november 2020. those are the type of things they're gonna go out and those should be shocking for the american public. even though they had access at that time. >> in terms of people that were

also a part of that day and the lead up to that day. so far, we don't know any of the other target letters potentially to drop allies. and other members have networks that may have been involved in the violence on that day. but from the work that you have done for the committee. who else do you think would be targeted in this particular indictment. considering the charges that the media has said is going to be a part of that? the corrupt obstruction of a official proceeding. the conspiracy to defraud the united states. and are you confident that the doj has captured enough of the key players in this case? >> i wish i knew the doj had captured. what the target letters. where we would have a hell of a conversation then. because then i could talk about it a little bit. you know we saw him call records that there were so many more. especially during that seven hour period. i'm telling you katie i think that's a huge part of. this and you know it wouldn't surprise me as some of the attorneys who weren't on the same train. but who are on the crazy train.

they're going to be a big part of this. so you look at giuliani, powell, you look at underwood. or even some of the -- i would love to see what they. who they actually got that day and what they funded. so i think it's gonna be a combination of call records, data, but also follow the money. and financial transactions. but also they also have some content that it wasn't able to get to and that's because of the authorities of the doj. that's why it's difficult. i'd love to name some real names here. even more so because they are soon to be pretty common. but there certainly are other people and others that were involved. pe>> what we'll do denver wrinke men's, when they indictment comes out and all the coconspirators are listed in that indictment. welcome back and have another conversation about that. but for now, thank you for joining us this morning. i appreciate it. and still to come on the katie phang show. nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, trump's former legal counsel. michael cohen joins us next to

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week, the twice impeached twice indicted presidents saying quote. it would be very dangerous as special counsel jack smith sent him to jail. that's because his maga supporters are more passionate now than they were during the 2016 and 2020 presidential elections. and just this past tuesday, he also re-posted a video from a verified maga account. seemingly a direct threat towards all who are driving his legal woes. just listen to a former president of the united states in his own words. >> [bleep] if you do something bad to, as we are going to do things to you that have never been done before. >> while this may seem like another typical reaction from trump, my next guest says the

ex president is actually spiralling with nowhere left to run or to hide. joining me now is michael cohen, former postal counsel to donald trump and principle of the company, crisis x. he's also host of a podcast, co-host of the political beat podcast, and the author of revenge and disloyal, two really good books. but michael let's talk about your personal experiences with donald trump over the years. you know i wanted to get your reaction to the possibility of a third trump indictment. it would be his second federal case? >> yeah i mean that's pretty much a guarantee and i wouldn't be shocked if we ended up seeing a fourth as well. look the case speaks for itself. the information seeks for itself. the documentary evidence speaks for itself. the testimony speaks for itself. so i don't have to be a great prognosticator to know that jack smith, fani willis, they know what they have. and they have every intention

on filing indictments in these various different cases. >> let's talk about when you did work for donald trump. these threats, the threats of physical harm, physical violence. when you are working with donald trump did he ever threatened to harm people in that way. i mean we have spoken previously and you have talked about the fact that donald trump operated like a mob boss and threats of violence usually are bailed and not very direct in that type of mafia setting? >> remember. it was a little different. when i was working for trump. it's a myopic, real estate development company. it's not the tower of the presidency of the united states of america. but as they say, a rapper doesn't change its spots. so donald trump had a way of doing things which we see everything go day now. i certainly experienced it when he was president. what he does is that he used his words, in order to entice others to do his bidding. so for example, do you remember

when he went after joe scarborough. and he started talking about how joe was responsible for, i think it was a hillary clinton aide who was murdered. and that is created an entire world of trouble. and issues for joe. and then again, let's even take it to when he was sitting for the debate and meghan kelly asked him a question. the answer was, when i was working for him as an example. meghan kelly. this is what he was in the campaign in 2016. meghan kelly had words with him. she ended up having to go into hiding. she pled with her family to new jersey. and if it wasn't for myself, roger ailes, and sean hannity, who knows? she would still be living at that hotels. donald says he has the attacks on me when i started speaking truth to power. and the man knows how to speak mob like so that he gets his

mug a base riled up. and the problem with that is that you never know what that was gonna do. you never know how unhinged they're going to be and how they're going to react. let's just look at january 6th as an example. >> i was going to say that's kind of his m.o.. his modus operandi. he lets other people do his dirty work for him. hiring thousands of lawyers that he either doesn't pay, shafts them in terms of not paying them. and then throws them under the bus. calling moscow rioters to storm the capitol on 16. even this video that he repose on truth social. it calls for violence, but it's nothing new, he likes to say plausible deniability. michael he says, i've been so outraged. you guys do something about. and when they do something about it, he says i didn't ask for that to happen. omething >> i am your supreme leader, i am your furor, your monarchy, your king. protect the king, that's donald's m.o.. and i see it a lot on television now. jack smith, he shouldn't be

worried or concerned about donald trump. making these overt threats against him and so on. i would say i disagree. i disagree wholeheartedly and i will tell you, i don't care what anybody says. it's sitting in the back of jack smith's head, because i know. i consider myself to be pretty resilient. and i can tell you it's, it's in the back of your head. because you never know what one of these mulga maniacs are going to do. you never know who is and who isn't. so every time you walk on the street. every time you go to a restaurant you don't know if someone wants to come over. shake your hand or punch you in the back of the head. and that is what donald wants. he wants to create that chaos. he wants to create this appearance of strength and power that he has over others. i say it all the time, he is truly a danger to our country and our democracy. >> so michael, you know, do you

think because of the potential for possible harm that someone like walt nauta, who we all know should be cooperating with the doj in the federal government at this point. do you think that the only reason that he hasn't cooperated yet? kind of a footnote to that question as well to you michael. do you actually think that there are people that are cooperating about whom we just do not know? >> absolutely. i have been very vocal. it's my opinion. i don't have any proof to it. but i always believed that jared and ivanka have been cooperating with the federal government. there is no way in the world that jarred was able to take down two plus billion dollars from the saudis post leaving his position as senior adviser to the president. remembering of course it's a son in law and the balder to the former president. i'm top that a couple hundred million here in there from other gulf coast countries, at the end of the day there is no investigation into a guy who is known in the white house as the

secretary of everything. he was involved with the pardons, he was involved, listen, he was involved in everything. the secretary of everything. so i do believe. so as to what not, i think he is a dope. and i think he is dumb simply because look at what has happened to so many other people, my self included, understand walt nauta. nobody means anything to this guy. he only cares about one thing and one thing only and that is himself. so walt nauta we'll come to a he, will have a coming to jesus moment when donald throws him under the bus. the same way that he is done to me, to rudy giuliani, and to everybody else in between. walt is not special, and he will, guaranteed, get tossed under the bus. >> it sounds like walt nauta it's going to join the elites of the covfefe boys soon. thanks for the transparency, and the honesty, always

appreciate you here. >> got to see you. >> coming up next. replacing history with lies. vice president kamala harris blasted the former state of border education plan to whitewash how black history is taught in the classroom. why it should be a warning for all of america ahead. keep it right here you are watching msnbc! watching msnbc ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ why do dermatologists choose dove? the dove beauty bar, is gentle. it not only cleans, it hydrates my skin. as a dermatologist, i want what's best for our skin. with 1/4 moisturizing cream, dove is the #1 bar dermatologists use at home. listen, your deodorant just has to work. i use secret aluminum free. just swipe and it lasts all day. secret helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. and hours later, i still smell fresh.

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that enslaved people benefited from slavery! they insult us in an attempt to gaslight us, and we will not stand for it! >> vice president, kamala harris, making it clear what she thinks of no black history standards in the state of florida. thanks to desantis board of education, students will soon learned that quote, slaves develop skills, which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. and quote. gaslighting indeed. joining me now, dr. marvin dunn, the founder and president of the miami center for a shull justice. and professor emeritus at florida international university. he is also the author of, a history of florida through black. as dr., it's an honor to have you join the show. vice president harris also said during that speech, let us not be seduced into believing we will be better if we forget. we will be better if we

remember, we will be stronger if we were member. the answer seems obvious, dr. dunn, but why is desantis slate of hate so hell-bent on erasing the truth of our history? >> because, thank you for having me katie. because it gives them political leverage with his base. somehow, every time we come around to a presidential election cycle race becomes an issue. and desantis is no different in that regard. and he's been able to maximize fear among the republican base by attacking black history in florida. i looked at the standards of the state now and what they have adopted. and several things struck me as just being absolutely strange. for example, they require. we're talking about the personal benefits in just a moment, but they now require the state to teach children that there was slavery and china, africa, and asia. why are they putting that into

a black history course? they're doing that katy because desantis administration wants people to believe that slavery was everywhere. all had slavery, so america slavery wasn't that bad. it was that bad. the unique thing about american slavery that was different from every other practice of slavery in the world was that in american slavery, the slaves were reduced to property. they were property. no other system of slavery did that except american slavery. and then now to suggest that there were benefits? to being enslaved? how ridiculous. to take the merits of this, the suffering, the rape, the exploitation of american enslaved people in saying that they got a benefit from that. that is part of the rationalization that slavery wasn't that bad. and we did africans a favor by bringing them out of africa, putting them in change in this country. >> you know doctor the whitewashing of history also

includes new standards that would include language that conflates the 1920 massacre with at least 30 african americans were killed for attempting to vote. 30. with acts of violence perpetrated by african americans. how would you respond to how a logical, absurd, and frankly offensive that concept is? >> the state got it totally wrong. they got it wrong. and there were no why people killed by blacks in -- there were two white people killed by friendly fire by others who were stupid enough to fire the house and fire into it. according to the sheriff, no black people killed any whites and yet 30 black people were killed. and now the state holds that up as some sort of equivalency of racial bias? in rosewood for example, you had a mob surround a man's house. he has his family in this home. and the mob is shooting into the house. and they kill his mother. she falls dead in front of him. and then he shifts back, and

kills two white men. that is equivalent racial violence? katie there is no incidents of racial violence initiated by blacks, in the history of florida except the 1980 riots. it just did not happen. >> doctor before i let you go, i want to ask you this final question. you've written the following, you run a lot, but this stood out to me. no black personnel growing up in florida, states the impact of the jim crow system or the possibility of being killed for no other reason than being black. dr. dunn, how do we teach empathy to our children? how do we teach empathy to the next generation if they have no exposure to the history. our shared, real history and what it was? >> that's why i do these truths tours. we take has cool students with a parent or a grandparents, to the places where the blood was shed. so they can experience these places in a very direct way, and share this information with others. and then that works.

we have to have people feel history. if we the emotion is history. we won't have. history and the catalog. for me taking people and bringing them to the places where these things happened, and having that experience is the way forward. young people are not stupid, they are not dumb, they can at least things. and in my view we need to expose them to that history so that they can make sure that we do not repeat it. >> there is this claim by desantis and his education commissioner in the state of florida where you and i are that the left is trying to indoctrinate. they use that phrase, that verb, indoctrinate our youth. but the reality is, dr. dunn, that they're actually trying to indoctrinate our youth into believing that a whitewash history is what actually happens in the books of history i think there is a saying. history is written by the victors, in this case, it's why the people that have control over what our curriculum is. >> exactly. ron desantis talked -- for a while and according to

the students he taught them that abortion was wrong. and he taught them about the southern points in the civil war. this man is a hypocrite, he wants to be present, and he has the cost of diluting whitewashing and erasing black history. >> doctor dunn do you think that there are solutions? because i know that we are stuck with a supermajority gop legislator in florida. they walk lockstep i, use that phrase specifically, they walk lockstep with ron desantis. are there any solutions? >> i think the current situation will be resolved in court. it's gonna take the supreme court of the united states to say, the rights are protected in the state can only go so far in trying to squash individual freedoms. particular the first amendment. these challenges must be settled in court, and i think they will be. >> dr. marvin done, i invite you back at anytime to continue this conversation. let's pray that that curriculum doesn't get even worse for kids like mine by the way in the

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>> thank you so much. >> we are at the other side of the world, and so many have come all the way over here. but where i said, the fence. you could see the trophy. there are big screens behind me, there is a fifa store, a lot of people getting u.s. gear. just really excited. they're gonna head to the netherlands. >> usa! >> american fans literally everywhere. did you guys watch the game? >> yeah. >> did you guys watch the game? >> how was it? >> fantastic! >> [inaudible] >> and it ramsey got a goal. which is awesome. >> we are in new zealand, but we are american. >> that is the team, and you love the -- but you also love the americans! >> that's right. that's right. >> thanks guys. and i will say that the u.s. coach, he was asked at the conference if he feels welcome here in auckland, and the answer is yes. i will send it back to you. >> msnbc foreign correspondent,

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