for more american voices, we are going to speak with congressman joaquin castro of texas about the treatment of migrants at our border. and congressman eric swallow on the doj's election interference case against president trump and why now is a critical moment for democracy. but for now i handed over to my colleague and friend, ayman mohyeldin, hello a man. >> hey lisa, i was going to say i've been off for the last two weekends and i felt like every time -- there was a period when we were wondering whether he would be indicted, now i feel like every time i leave and come back donald trump is indicted or is about to get indicted on some new charge. >> there is a new date added to the calendar and to our msnbc graphics every time we return. [laughter] >> good to see you, great show as always. and good evening to you, welcome to ayman tonight. donald trump could be charged at any moment in the election interference case, this as more officials and aid speak to the council's team. then, making history.

michigan charges six republicans and the fake little scheme. the first state to do so. we are going to discuss all of it with michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson and more. and report card, oversight chairman james comer wants to us to review the mecca controlled houses first six months on the job. and the results, they are not good. i'm ayman, let's get started. the justice department investigation into donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election appears to be approaching a fever pitch. nbc news has not learned the federal grand jury charge of the -- deciding whether or not to indict the expression in her testimony from a key witness this week. former white house staffer and current member of the trump campaign william russell. his testimony could actually prove crucial to the federal

government's case, since he was with the former president for at least part of the day on january the 6th, including at the -- where trump deliberately -- deliver his speech shortly before his supporters stormed the capitol. nbc news has learned, direct disappearance, prosecutors questioned william russell about trump's state of mind during and after the 2020 election. in fact, his disseminate can't just 48 hours of the trump himself revealed that he had received a target letter from special counsel jack smith in the election interference case. according to nbc news, that letter outlines three federal statutes the ex president is accused of violating. deprivation of rights, conspiracy to defraud the u. s. , and tampering with a witness. receiving this type of letter is typically the final step before a person gets indicted. you might remember that trump actually received a similar target later just days before he was charged with mishandling

classified documents and prior to his indictment in new york over alleged hush money payments in the run up to the 2016 election. so if that same timeline holds here, trump could actually see a third indictments at any moment. the former director of condolence at the fbi makes clear we shouldn't take news of this target letter lightly. as a veteran of the justice department, jack smith is certainly well aware of the senate it takes for the feds to break successful case against anyone, let alone a former president, certainly one that was running for office. it is a standard that has worked out pretty well for him, considering the u. s. government remarkable truck corporate. it was analysis by pew research of available data from the 2022 fiscal year shown 0. 4% of federal defendants who chose to go to trial or

acquitted. that year, almost 72, 000 people were criminally charged by the feds and only 290 of those went to trial and one. another almost 1400 defendants who decided to give a trial a shot, well, they were convicted. that means almost everyone else, essentially gave up and pleaded guilty. but we do know that is most likely not an option for trump. as recently as this morning, he was on his failed social media site railing yet again against the investigations into him. but as much as trump secret wants you to believe his case is somehow different, that heat will emerge victorious after all of this, we'll, pete numbers are not on his side. because despite how trump may view himself, as frank writes, he is no different from those other stuff in the 2000 defendants charged by doj last year. that is some really donald

trump might have to confront sooner rather than later. let's bring in matt sutherland not panel to break this down. -- special correspondent for so that it fear. charles coleman, and frank saluzzi, former assistant director for crittenden's at the fbi and an msnbc national security analyst. great to have you all here. frank, let me start with you. in this excellent piece you wrote, explain to us how the government and its track record is a testament to the way the fbi approaches the way they got their evidence. talk to us about what goes on behind the scenes to ensure only the strongest cases, only the most powerful arguments are brought by prosecutors? >> sure, in 25 years with the fbi, i knew that the truck was strong. i knew from personal experience that federal prosecutors tends to play to win and not even to

think about bringing cases that they might lose. i experience that personally. i have to tell you, what i look at the latest data that you cited, it was even staggering to me because the track record is so good. as you said, the vast majority of criminal defendants in the federal system take one look at the evidence and decide you've got me, let's work a deal. i'm not here to suggest at all that donald trump is going to do that, nor should he. he should defend himself, if he chooses to. but rather as a check against those who keep zion, right, hey this is week, this is novel, we have never seen this before, object smith is biased. i'm here to tell you, federal prosecutors don't bring charges to lose. so what is it that is so different in the federal system that caused these numbers to pop like this? you have got the full weight of the u.

s. federal government, all of the tools in the tool kit for the fbi, and federal cases, you've got the dea, atf, on and on and on. all with a tremendous amount of resources. what do those results look like? electronics or violence, physical surveillance. informants, undercover agents, cooperating witnesses. and time is on their hands. and they will charge and indict and sent target letters, hoping to flip people on to the higher ups in the investigation. it is overwhelming and that is what the column is about. trump needs to take this seriously and the american people who can become -- i would understand, if we all become numb to the litany of charges and indictments the trump is already facing and just kind of tune us out. i'm telling you, don't tune this out. this is serious, serious business. yes, as a former president, but he's just going to be like the 72, 000 defendants last year in the federal system.

>> charles, to pick up on that point, prosecutors don't want to lose cases, when they bring a case they want to win, they're going to bring the most compelling charges that are supported by the facts and the evidence in accordance with the law. walk me through these charges that have been reportedly laid out in the target letter of the trump received? did any of these come as a shock or are any missing? when you look at these charges, what is it that first come to your mind about the case that could be potentially brought against donald trump? >> first of all, ayman, looking back. always good to talk with you. for me, as a former prosecutor and a civil rights attorney, it is the deprivation of law. that really stuck out to me because it is not just something you typically see charged but it is something that strikes at the very core

of the narrative about donald trump and what he did. the uniqueness about the charge is focused on the notion that in your official capacity as a government employee, as someone representing the usa, you intended to deprive other individuals, in this case the american people, have the right. specifically, what it is referring to here, is the right to vote and the rights to have your vote counted and mean something. so from a narrative place, that is going to be very, very big. jack smith making very clear to a jury what it was that donald trump set out to do with his participation and generous sex and also the fake electors scheme. that for me is something that really stands out. it also tells the story for jack smith as a prosecutor in terms of what was all about. prosecutors have to go where the actual facts take them. once you have those facts, when she had to indictment, your trial, your story is all about selling a narrative. that is going to be a key statue that helps them to sell a very cohesive, very complex narrative to end and higher jury. >> molly, speaking of narratives, trump loves the narrative of being a victim. but the numbers here don't

actually lie. trump's legal battles against the federal government aren't likely cases he's faced before. perhaps not even like the ones he may face on a state level. but when he loses out on social media, it is because he wants to shape a narrative that he is being targeted, that he is somehow the victim in all of this. is this a guy who's just simply and denial, or is this part of his grift to raise money off of everything he sees as a grievance? >> he needs to raise a lot of money because these lawyers are expensive. we've seen reporting, especially those in florida lawyers with the security clearance are really holding him up for money. i would also say, remember, trump's thing as he is trying to kick the can't as much as possible with all of these cases. this will be his second set of federal indictments. that may not be in florida, so he may not be able to kick the can of the way that he would with judge cannon. so i think that is something to think about. but i do think he is ultimately

quite scared. you are seeing him tweet out a lot of really violent and scary stuff. he is a truth -- haze not tweezing. he's trying to scare, distract, get his supporters engaged. and he again needs to raise a lot of money. >> frank, in your piece note for the federal case involving the 2020 election is different since it involves a former presidents who tried to interfere with the peaceful transition of power. tell us what this case is so important, what we shouldn't become numb to trump's legal peril. that we say, oh no, here's another trump charge or another trump indictments, whether on a potential state liberal or a potential federal one? >> of all the cases and charges the trump is facing so far, and i in no way mean to denigrate them. infect, the documents case, i dealt with classified information for the bulk of my career. that is serious. but this one, this one is different because it goes to the heart of our democratic

process. free and fair elections and heaven our vote counts. as charles said, this is a civil rights charge, it is going to be uniquely applied in the set of circumstances. this charge was enacted way back when to enable agency prosecutors to go into the deep south, worked against the ku klux klan, who was preventing minorities from voting. so, in its origins, this charge is right and it goes to the heart of whether we are going to continue as a democracy to have our votes count. this one's difference. it counts, it means everything moving forward as a democracy. >> charles, what do you make of the fact that the grand jury is still hearing from witnesses in this case, even after the doj sent this target letter? >> you know, people have really been talking about the length of time that has been taken, but one of the things that are continue when -- we've had a

level of insight into this investigation, and you can in some respects, we've never got this and most cases. most people are able to have the prosecution take place pretty much under the cover of secrecy and such a what you don't have investigative reporters constantly seeing who is going in and out and getting secrets forced thought of what's happening. the significance fear is that this is not necessarily an unusual circumstance or and ignored minute i'm a time for a typical investigation. really, what i think is going on is object smith already has more than enough to move forward. the prosecution memo is done. all the ayes have been done it and the teams have been crossed. these witnesses are just providing statements, shoring up -- tying up loose ends. the icing on the cake. we are a really strong case is only going to get stronger.

as frank said, to make it clear that the high conviction write that the doj enjoys stays intact. >> molly, one statute that was not mentioned in the target letter was inciting or assisting an insurrection. would it be a mistake if smith failed to charge trump as an insurrectionist, specifically because of what happened on january 6th? >> he got some of the similar charges to the lower down conspirators, and i think he's being really careful because he knows jacks mitt is under maximum scrutiny and you don't want to make a mistake. and you also really want to make the charges stick so. i don't think it is wrong to be careful. i think the civil rights statute is really important. the fact that it was used against kkk members in the deep south, and it's really about people having their rights taken away, which was the goal there, i think that it's really meaningful and important. again, the whole thing here is we don't want this to happen again.

and i think that is the larger issue and hopefully that will prevent its. >> as we mentioned, the case would be tried -- the point would be to win the case as opposed to simply scoring political points or legal points. panel, placed around. we've got a lot more to discuss. after the break, we can do this competition as jack smith broadens the scope of his election interference investigation to georgia and arizona. stay with us. cold water can't clean tough stains? i'd say that myth is busted. turn to cold, with tide. you ever try cashbacking? it's earning 3% at drugstores with chase freedom unlimited. so i can save on something special for a first date? wait! that's all for a first date? whoa. alright, c'mon. earn big with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? how are folks 60 and older having fun these days? family cookouts! [blowing] [dice roll] ♪ playing games! [party chatter] dancin in the par—!

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investigation has been growing in recent months, with an increased focus on the swing states where trump tried to reverse the election results. just last night, nbc news confirms that georgia governor brian kemp has been in contact -- or, has been contacted by, excuse me, smith's office. and that comes on the heels of the news that georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger complied with a subpoena from smith's team, searching surveillance footage from a polling site that was the subject of baseless election fraud claims by trump and his allies. and that's just in one state,

the state of georgia. over arizona, former replicating governor has also been contacted by the special counsel, and this week wisconsin's top election chief, megan wolf, confirmed that she was interviewed earlier this year by fbi officials as part of the investigation. let's bring back my panel. charles, i'll start with you on this, what do you make of these moves from smith's team in getting the state officials to cooperate with them, and the fact that he's speaking to them? >> a man, like i said, you go with the facts take you. what we are learning as this investigation goes forward is that there's was a very large scale planned by trump and his allies to disrupt, if not altogether overthrow the results of the 2020 election. it is not a crime to believe that you did not lose an election that you lost, it's not a crime to believe that somehow you may have been cheated out of that election, it is, however, a crime for you

to try to overturn the results of an election, especially if you have reason to believe, or should have known that, you actually lost the election. so what i glean from everything that is going on with jack smith and his pursuit is that he is trying to get as much evidence as possible that will firmly establish that trump in fact knew he lost, or should have known he lost, and should have known there was not the widespread fraud he continued to pedal in terms of a narrative to the american public. and yet he still did everything that he did anyway. and that's where the crime occurred, and that's what jack smith is going to be laying out. which is why you see him taking these steps and going out to these other jurisdictions, trying to formally make that point clear, with what i suspect will be another indictment against former president. >> molly, all these states that trump tried to pressure into overturning the election in, like georgia, or arizona apparently, are now in the big picture. and there's no doubt that this obviously adds more legal trouble for him. in this investigation, or perhaps even on state

investigations down the road. how does trump spin this. are we going to even see him lose any republican support in the states as a result? >> well, i mean, so far, with these indictments, what we've seen is that he's done better. you'll remember the alvin bragg indictment in new york, that was actually the worst politically, for ron desantis. >> right. [laughter] >> that helped trump in the polls. the federal indictment -- so, i would not be surprised if more indictments don't necessarily move the needle with republican primary voters. but again, trump really has the republican primary, unless something humongous happens. it's very likely that trump has the primary locked up. the question is, can you grow the electorate with indictments? and i'm not convinced that you can. >> frank, what's the most potentially damaging legal develop and here for trump? is it arizona, is it georgia?

could it be wisconsin, even possibly michigan? >> i've always zeroed in on georgia because there is nothing like having the defendants voice on a tape. there is nothing like it. it's how you make every corruption case. it's recordings. recordings, recordings, recordings. and it's this one that is really going to get to a jury. but to the broader issue here is accountability for me. because when you hear about the swing states, wisconsin, michigan, arizona, georgia, all being in the mix for jack smith, it's about holding people accountable. send a message that, look, we are going after the big guy, yeah, but you are part of this. and you may be facing charges as well. and there is jury appeal to that. imagine the guy in the graphics department for special counsel smith who, as they approach trial here, if this goes the way we think, they are going to instruct the creation of graphics for the jury. there's going to be spoken

wheel with trump at the top, and you're going to have wisconsin and michigan and georgia, and the jury will look and see -- this was a vast conspiracy. this wasn't a man operating in a vacuum, a diluted guy who just thought he had one. this was a strategy. and i think that's part of where smith is going. >> charles, let me switch gears for a moment and get your thoughts on the classified documents case. judge aileen cannon has announced that the criminal trial will begin on may 20th, 2024. this is obviously later than the december date that jack smith's team was aiming for, but also puts the caution on the indefinite postponement that trump had sought not too long ago. is there a middle ground here on who this date benefits? >> i think overwhelmingly it's a win for the defense. it's one of those things that people have said, well, neither side got what they wanted. neither side expected to get what they wanted. trump's attorneys knew and

understood that a speedy trial would require a judge actually setting a date, but they had no other legal recourse and the idea of a may 20th, 2024 trial date actually provides them a glimmer of hope that they can now develop a strategy around it, here's why. may 20th, by that point, the primary will be over. trump will presumptively be the republican candidate as the nominee for that party, and what that's going to do is it's going to reopen their previous arguments around a trial taking place at that point being in line with election interference. that is something that judge cannon may actually take seriously. it's also not going to happen on may 20th, 2024, ayman, because, as i can tell you, as a former prosecutor, they are going to be motions, all sorts of legal maneuvers, that will take place. they will reasonably push that date forward. and the farther it goes, the more that first argument has greater credence. so it issuing this ruling, aileen cannon basically gave the defendant an opportunity to have a strategy or develop a

plan where currently there was not. that's something that's going to benefit them. and in addition to everything that i've said, trust and believe, donald trump's defense team is going to try to use this as a benchmark for every other case that they are fighting in every jurisdiction. this is the first federal indictment, so you can't get higher than a federal case that he's facing. and that comes after that, they are going to basically say, should track this march -- sorry, this may 20th date. and that's going to be something else that again allows them, to molly's earlier point, to delay. or at least try to, one previously they had no outlet to do so. >> quickly, charles, can smith have to open cases against trump, concurrently, you know, can they be running at the same time? >> as many crimes as he commits, he can have cases against him. absolutely, yes. >> all right, i really appreciate that. charles coleman, molly -- frank figliuzzi, thank you to the three of you for joining us

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would lose, is if the election is rigged. one day after election day, on november 4th, the state of michigan is called for joe biden. and if you days later, on november 7th, biden is declared the winner of the election, becoming president elect joe biden. one month later on december 14th, michigan's legitimate state electors meet at the state capital to affirm their votes for joe biden, but on that very same day, 16 other officials, republicans, who would eventually be known as the fix state electors, allegedly meet in the basement of the state gop headquarters and signed their names to multiple certificates declaring trump the winner of michigan's electoral votes. now, those documents are then sent to the u.s. senate and the national archives. of course, trump and his allies continue to spew lies about

election fraud in the following weeks, which help fuel the january 6th insurrection. and one day before the insurrection, they national archives rejects the fake certificates they received from michigan. in the aftermath of the capitol riot, tension is on the fake electors, and that plot seems to die down. but, in fact, we literally learned that attorney general dana nessel has been investigating the electors and their scheme since early 2021, almost a year later, in, january of 2022, she refers the matter to the justice department. now, at the same time, nestle says that there are grounds for criminal charges, but because there was a coordinated effort between republican parties in other states, she is compelled to send the investigation to the feds. in between june of 2021, a michigan senate panel, led by republicans, announces there's no evidence of voter fraud in

the 2020 election results. then, in june 2022, the former state republican chair laura cox delivers bombshell testimony to the select committee detailing how the fake electors discussed hiding in the michigan state capitol building on the eve of the official electoral college vote so they could submit could cast their fraudulent votes in the chamber, the very next day. and idea that cox described as, quote, insane and inappropriate. fast forward to december of last year when the select committee released its final report, and that report actually included a very interesting detail. in the days following the 2020 election, donald trump apparently personally asked a representative in michigan to reach out to other state lawmakers, and gauge their support for questioning the integrity of the election results. at the beginning of this year, dana nessel announced that she is reopening the state investigation into the fake electors scheme, --

lack of movement from the doj. - lack o>> that brings us to what happened this week, on tuesday, nestle formally announced charges against the 16 fake electors with each defendant facing a felony count, including forgery related charges. each punishable with up to 14 years in prison. now, nessel's office says the investigation is ongoing and hasn't ruled out potential charges against additional defendants, translates haven't even been set. this timeline isn't finished. joining me now is michigan secretary of state joscelyn benson, madam secretary, it's great to have you back on the show, thank you so much for making time for us. let's start with this significant news, your office has been working in part with the attorney general and her office over the years, in 2021 you partnered with her office on investigating claims of election fraud, and as someone who has worked closely with her,

what is your reaction to the charges that have been filed this week? >> thanks for having me back. i was gratified to learn of the felony charges against these 16 individuals who actionable a tried to interfere with the results of a legitimate election in michigan. and they may be planning to do so again in the future, we don't know. if they don't like future results. so, the attorney general and i are a team, we work together closely on matters like this, and when we refer to these certificates to her office for further investigation into thousand 20, and full confidence that she would only pursue charges if the evidence overwhelmingly suggested a violation of the law. and indeed, that's what it appears to be here. this is not a symbolic attempt to say, we wish this person had one, and we are going to write these letters for fun, these were actual attempts to try to lie to the federal government about who won michigan's electors, simply because one

party and its supporters disagree with the result. >> some of these people that have been charged our prominent figures within, or war, within the state republican party. you have the former leader of the michigan gop, former republican national committee woman, and among that list, a town clerk who will now be barred from running any elections in the future. i know they're just charges at this point, but being barred from running elections is a pretty significant consequence. what are the ramifications? what other ones do you think we could see for these 16 fake electors? >> as they turn general has said, both the investigation is ongoing, and the ramifications are still ongoing. i've been saying repeatedly, we need to see not just legal consequences for the actions that were taken to try to overturn a legitimate presidential election in 2020, the political consequences as well. we have to remember that the

current republican party in michigan is run by someone who was also actively part of the effort in 2020. so we need voters on both sides of the aisle to reject the efforts to overturn election results, simply because someone doesn't agree with them, instead of at least -- in the case of one political party, supporting and amplifying those who spread lies about our elections, in order to achieve political gain. >> are you at all surprised that the doj has not moved on this particular case? as i understood it, the attorney general at one point thought that the feds, or the doj, would move in and deal with this fake elector spot? but it seems now that she is pursuing this case. she may not necessarily be believing that as much anymore. >> certainly i think both state and federal it instigations can proceed simultaneously, you have about election loss in michigan that were violated, and then potentially election

loss at the federal level violated, not just in michigan, but in several other states. we need to see both investigations proceed, i'm grateful that they turned it on to the right thing here in michigan and file charges when she knew there were and abundance of evidence that the law have been violated, and needed accountability. i know very much and believe very much in the integrity of the officials of the justice department, i believe, as the facts and evidence and law suggest, and plays out, if charges are warranted in any case related to the 2020 election cycle, we will see them. and that's really what we need at this time. we need investigators at the state and federal level to take their time, take these efforts seriously, pursue based on facts and evidence alone, not on politics. and then file charges when the law warns them. and that is certainly what has played out here in michigan. >> let's talk about voting rights for a moment. on tuesday, governor gretchen whitmer signed a slate of bills which you and your office have actually worked on, and were the result of a constitutional amendment approved by voters back in november.

clerks will now be able to begin -- in-person voting 29 days out from an election. walk us through how these bills will impact the safety and fairness of elections in michigan going forward. >> the story of democracy in michigan is kind of two sides of the same coin, or one coin. we've had to overcome these great challenges to our democracy, as we've talked about, but we've also expanded our voting rights and our democracy along these same years. in particular, because voters on both sides of the aisle, notably, have voted to amend our state constitution to implement no reason absentee voting, early voting, election day registration, automatic registration. and now we have a legislature that is a pro democracy legislature that is helping us act on those voter mandates to expand these rights even farther. so in 2024 years to see voters in michigan continuing to have more options to vote, continuing to participate, and we hope on both sides of the aisle, all across the state, continuing to have faith in the results of our elections. and then as we see consequences

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all the hard work his the party has done for the people. >> i would welcome you to compare our first six months to the first six months of my predecessors. >> all right. let's look at the record, shall we? there have been scant hearings on inflation and gas prices, but republicans have had dozens and dozens on hearings on issues important to fox viewers like hunter biden's laptop, alvin bragg, and the so-called weaponization that the federal government. it's been six months of sham probes conspiracies and debunked lies, and that's never been as evidence as it was this week. commerce oversight committee heard from two irs whistleblowers who allege that the justice department interfered with the investigation into hunter biden a claim that trump appointed u.s. attorney who oversaw the

case has repeatedly disputed. what we did get in the hearing, hyperbolic theatrics from republicans. what we didn't get? events. any of it. of actual wrongdoing from weiss, the administration, or the president. even republican chuck edwards admitted as much. >> i've heard over and over that president biden has not been implicated or proven for any wrongdoing here, and i acknowledge that for now. >> for now. the next day, the weaponization select subcommittee held a hearing on unfounded accusations that the biden administration is working with big tech companies to set -- censor conservatives favorite subjects like, again, hunter biden laptop and covid-19 misinformation. are you sensing a pattern here? the star witness was presidential candidate, conspiracy theorist, and anti vaxxer, rfk junior.

the same man who just last week was caught on tape saying covid may have been, quote, ethnically targeted to spare jews. despite this antisemitic nonsense, chairman jim jordan insisted on platform-ing him. and here's what ranking member stacey plaskett had to say about that. >> they intentionally chose to elevate this rhetoric to get these harmful dangerous if you use a platform in the halls of the united states congress. they have cosigned on idiotic. bigoted messaging. this is a conscious choice. >> joining me now is democratic congresswoman melanie stansbury of new mexico, she is a member of the house oversight committee, congresswoman great to have you back on the show. thanks for making time. let's talk about what we saw there. and get your reaction to comer's comments suggesting that they have a better record on the first six months controlling the house and the democrats did with their first

six months back in 2019. what grade would you give republicans, congresswoman? >> i think it's pretty obvious that they get an f. probably even worse than an f if there is such a thing. it's been stranger than fiction. you can't even write melodrama like we've had in the committee over the last six months. as you've said, they have platforms conspiracy theorists, they've put all kinds of hearings on, over and over again, and i think one of the things a lot of folks don't realize is that they've held literally the same hearing time and time again, because they will call a witness, interrogate them and when they don't get the answers that they want, they hold -- over again. and then they will hold it in another committee. and just this week we had this irs supposed whistleblower hearing and we had to vet the witnesses, because the republicans have been calling, as their star witnesses, folks who are known fugitives from the law. folks who are literally out to grind their political acts against joe biden and democrats,

and literally have no evidence of wrongdoing or other criminal activity, while their own political candidate, their own front runner, is literally engaged in criminal behavior. hey president, of course, that incited an insurrection, who is currently indicted under 37 criminal counts for documents that threatened our national security, that have been held liable and accountable for sexual harassment and caught on tape for, and yet they refused to actually investigate real criminal activity. it's a sham, it's embarrassing, and it's a disgrace to our democracy and our democratic institutions. >> let me play for you, and speaking of wednesdays hearing, i want to play for you and our viewers the sound of you did mocking and calling out your gop colleagues watch. >> i want to remind everybody, the person who appointed u.s. attorney general david weese to handle the matter we are here to discuss today was donald trump.

this is yet another attempt by the majority to turn this committee into another in kind donation to the trump campaign. >> did you see anything from your colleagues that disprove your point? >> no! of course not. and they aren't even trying to hide their use of the committee 's resources to prop up trump. it's clear that -- for example, just a couple of weeks ago, the very day that trump was indicted on 37 counts, comer planned to hold a -- that would have literally undermined the fbi. now, this can't be an accident, right? it's very clear that there's some sort of coordination happening behind the scenes between comer and the leadership of the house, and donald trump and the political folks who are working on that campaign, to provide in kind donations using committee resources to help prop former president up. and it's not only frightening

for our democracy, it's a total misuse of federal resources, and it's an abuse of power. >> i know you saw the disgusting moments in the hearing when marjorie taylor greene displayed those nude photos of hunter biden, obviously we will show them here on this program, but her republican colleagues have not condemned her for it. and we know that she has been name-calling, she uses profanity, what do you make of this new standard of decorum in the gop-controlled house? this is the party that claims to be the party of family values, and decency. >> yeah, for anyone who had the misfortune of actually seen that portion of the hearing, it was disgusting. marjorie taylor greene put up images during the hearing of sexual acts, actively happening, and this is supposed to be the party that is trying to shield children from supposed sexual

activity and other things like that. and here they are coming to committees and actually putting pornographic images on a live hearing. and what i found particularly shocking during the hearing, if you watch the c-span coverage, is that at the moment that dan goldman and ranking member raskin tried to engage the chairman about taking these images down, he actually smiled. he smirked. not only are they not sanctioning marjorie taylor greene, they are enabling her, they are clearly finding it entertaining, and it's part of their larger effort to use our official resources to help support trump and prop up their party, as we are heading into the midterms. and into the presidential year, excuse me. >> and sadly, the whole world is watching as she continues to do that in the peoples house. congresswoman melanie stansbury of new mexico, always a pleasure. thank you so much. ahead, an important -- update on the jean carroll

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