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tomorrow at eight pm eastern time right here on msnbc. that does it for me today. be sure to follow the show on twitter, tiktok, instagram. you could also listen to every episode of the show as a podcast for free. search for inside with jen psaki wherever you get your podcasts. stay right where you are because there's much more news ahead on here on animus nbc. for now goodbye from washington. washington tonight on the mehdi hasan show. the former trump official sounding the alarm about the dangers of another trump presidency. miles taylor joins me on that. plus, save the date. the ex presidents growing legal troubles are now colliding with the gop primary calendar. and the people of israel pushing back against a power grab by prime minister benjamin netanyahu. but what about the occupation? >> welcome to the show, i'm
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mehdi hasan. it is good to be back from a two-week break. i was in the uk visiting friends and family were a lot of people kept asking me the same two questions. one, can donald trump really win again? and to, will really be the end of american democracy if he does? my answer double foes questions was yes, he can win again, and a second trump term will be an existential threat to american democracy, in a way that even his first scandal ridden can traverse a plagued fascist like term was not. next time around if there is a next time around and that seems increasingly possible considering right now donald trump is leading in the gop presidential polls and almost tying with joe biden in general election polls. if trump finds himself back in the oval office come 2025, it's becoming very clear that there won't be any guard rulers or bureaucracy or adults in the room to stop and. so i'm amazed and frustrated by
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him complacent so many people still are not just in the uk but across american public life about the threat posed by trump. a threat that is in plain sight, it's not hidden. trump people are not hiding what they plan to do in january, 2025 less than 18 months from now. in fact, this week the new york times put out a piece headlined trump and allies forge plans to increase presidential power in 2025. a true understatement from the times as ever. i would've headlined it, trump and allies forge plans to build an american autocracy in 2025. here is the stunning opening paragraph of that times piece. quote, donald j trump's allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return into the white house in 2025. reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands. the times reveals that mr. trump intends to bring
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independent agencies under direct presidential control. he wants to revive the practice of impounding funds, refusing to spend money congress as appropriated for programs the president doesn't like. he tends to strip employment protection from tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they are deemed obstacles to his agenda. again, they are not hiding any of their plainly authoritarian and paranoid goals here. russell to vote up, former trump official, just proudly and openly in classic bond villain fashion told the times quote, what we are trying to do is identify the pockets of independents and sees them. but it's not just the times. the economist magazine also had a deep dive into how team trump aims to revolutionize the structure of government itself. maga republicans believe that they will be able to enact their program only if they first defying the deep state by making tens of thousands of top civil servants sack-able.
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around 50,000 officials will be newly subject being fired while 50,000 under a proposed scheme notice schedule f. the economist warns that a second trump term could seek america quote follow hungary and poland down the path of a liberal democracy. now, you might say that's just the liberal media being hyperbolic, that's trump derangement syndrome. but according to former trump dhs official miles taylor has it damning new book called blowback i'm gonna speak to in a moment a top former u.s. intelligence officer has a same warning for us. so gordon who is the deputy director of national intelligence the 25 veteran of the u.s. intel community, she told taylor on the eve of the last election than another trump turn or another trump-like figure in the oval office could mark america's slow turn toward despotism.
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you know what? that slow turn may be speeding up. in recent weeks, the ex president and his allies have escalated their extreme authoritarian rhetoric. just take a look at this video that trump himself re-posted a re-truth as he puts it on his social media site. >> if you do something bad to us, we are going to do things to you that have never been done before. >> is there any way to view that kind of language and anything other than an open and fascist stick threats? again this is just what trump and his allies are saying publicly. i have to ask are we also really be concerned about what they're planning for us behind closed doors? earlier i spoke with miles taylor the author of that new book blowback. miles taylor thank you for joining us on the show. congratulations on the book, it is much needed. let me start by asking you, can american democracy in your view
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survive a second term of donald trump? >> the fact that it is an open question maybe i think is over norma's concern the fact that we are even talking about it is a worry and it's an actual credible question. i put something similar to a person who i think has exceptionally good judgment as really good student of history. that was donald trump's deputy director of national intelligence during the administration her name is su gordon. i asked her that question and she projected a little further and she said look i have low confidence that american democracy survives in any recognizable form to its 300th birthday if we put someone like that in the white house. that's 2076. my concern is a lot near term, and i actually don't believe that the american republic could cease stand a second term. >> so miles, would you say to those in the politics and media
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in those in the public who say come on, it won't be that bad. america survived four years of trump already, the institutions held, the guardrails held and when people compare yourself to a third term of trump like to a third reich, that's hyperbole, that's exaggeration saying. >> i would say to them, if i were hearing myself saying that five years ago, i wouldn't feel the same way, but now i have watched him, donald trump and his allies plan to do things in a second term that were entirely unimaginable in a first term, but only because there were the thinnest guardrails that prevented him from doing that. and things there were quite clearly illegal and unconstitutional and he had a very eager interest in doing, but well meaning people, people of conscience around him prevented him from doing those things. those people will not be there in a second and that's probably the most common thing i have heard in all my interviews, that those people will be gone
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and trump's inclination towards illegality will be entirely and constricted. >> it's not just a threat from trump at home to you talk about in your new book, it's a broad as well. disaffection on the left that is brought into this maggot myth trump's anti-war, that he's an old-fashioned isolationist. yet you report in a book how close we came to nuclear war with north korea on trump's watch? >> well i have wanted to talk about this for a few years, but i needed to make sure that i got the department of homeland security's approval to have a conversation, because this involves some very delicate issues. what i was allowed to say in the book was that yes, we grew so concerned that the then president donald trump was handling relations with north korea in such a reckless and unpredictable way that we determine that it might be credible that the united states would end up in a nuclear conflict and one that could
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potentially result in a nuclear strike in the homeland. so we had not just one, but a series of very sensitive meetings at the department of homeland security to prepare for the possibility of a nuclear strike in the u.s. homeland. want to make clear ayman mohyeldin mehdi that's the first time in the history of the homeland security that it's had a real life preparation for a real life nuclear strike that's exceptionally serious. and i can only imagine in a second term that there will not be cooler heads around donald trump to keep him from engaging in that type of international conflict or lease to prevent him from something that could trigger a spiral into that type of conflict. >> miles, you write in the book the aids had donald trump openly discussing what it might be like to have sex with his daughter ivanka. comments that led his then chief of staff john kelly to call him an evil man. why do you think it is, you're a republican, you are a conservative, why is it that a christian evangelist base is so okay with the president as i'm christian, as an conservative
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and let's be blunt, as disgusting is donald trump? >> well, unfortunately it's the tribalism in our politics and it's actually deeper than our politics mehdi. this is an aspect of human nature as one of our darkest sides which is for all of human existence we've survived by being in tribes. and increasingly our political tribes and those that we associate with our survival. we have seen this inclination among everyday people to do almost anything to avoid getting booted out of their tribe even if the travel leader starts to defy the underlying norms. i've certainly seen that with people who used to be mentors and friends in the republican party who behind the scenes we talk about standing up to donald trump, but when push came to shove in public they would not do it because they feared getting booted out of the tribe more than even feared death. that's something that my friend adam kinzinger shared with me and i share this in the book, that they fear getting booted out of the drive more than
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death. i think that if that's the case are democracies and pretty grave danger. >> stay with us for the second half of my conversation with miles taylor. we'll discuss his role in donald trump's infamous family separation policy and whether he is sorry about that. s sorry about that ♪ ♪ ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ meet the future. a chef. a designer. and, ooh, an engineer.
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times confirmed what we are all afraid of. reporting that donald trump his advisers are planning to radically expand presidential power. reshaping the structure of the executive branch and concentrating far greater power directly in his hands. and trump's hands. should he recapture the presidency next year. even if it's not trump's name on the, ballot what about all the other many trumps in the gop presidential field. how big of a threat do they pose to the future of our democracy? earlier, i spoke about just that with miles taylor, former chief of staff at the department of homeland security during the trump presidency. he has since become a critic and an author of the new book a
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blowback, a warning to save democracy from the next trump. take a listen. >> miles taylor, who are lifelong republican. a conservative. you served under george w. bush as well as donald trump. you've written a book about a safety mobocracy. some, quote at the next trump won desantis's drop main rival for the gop presidential nomination in 2024. do you believe he is or could be the next trump? cohen do ideally want to see when the presidential race? >> desantis certainly could be. jaime, and i think that's concerning to me, we've actually seen a number of these candidates take trumpism beyond where donald trump was willing to take it. policies that were thwarted in his first term have been seized upon by his acolytes then carried forward things like abusing migrants as political pawns trying to detonate the federal bureau of investigation. ballot watchers at the polls. there is a range of different things that donald trump was
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talked out of in a first term. people like ron desantis have merged forward with it. it worries me. i don't think we will have a more rational republican in the white house if ron desantis wins. i think he would be a savvier successor to the helm of the mob movement now, who would i like to see, i'd like to see a republican that actually believes in what we consider real conservative values. free mines and free markets and free people a government that's actually a limited government and what we are hearing donald trump talk about on the campaign trail as a government that's almost a fascist in nature he wants to exert power so much into our lives that would be probably the biggest government we've ever seen and that's to a conservative pretty scary stuff. >> you mentioned the abusive migrants as political pawns. the guardian describes here is having the zeal of a convert in its review of your new book because you did serve in the administration before becoming his outspoken trump critic. in an administration which you say in your new book that there were quote no heroes only
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survivors and back to, you are just a staff to the department of homeland security during the trial separation controversy when migrant kids were kidnapped and put in cages. an investigation by buzzfeed news found that you actively work to push through the policy. they got in hold of emails showing how integral you are and coordinating family separation efforts and defending it to the public. how do you square that miles with a public opposition you now have to authoritarianism and trumpism? i have to ask, would you like to apologize tonight to the parents and kids who lives were privately damaged by family separation during the trump -- >> well, it's incorrect. and i was not the chief of staff at the time. i was actually the adviser for counterterrorism and intelligence. later became deputy chief of staff. i want to go back in time even further. i was never a maga person. i didn't vote for donald trump for president. i try to to --
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create a trump inoculation plan to prevent him from being the nominee. clearly we failed spectacularly. there was no one i knew that that going into the trump administration is going to be beneficial to a career. it was career suicide to go in mentors of mind like john kelly were very attuned to the danger and i did think that it was really important to protect the dark hartman of homeland security from his whims. what i will say about the family separation policy is yes i was actively involved in trying to get them not to implement the family separation policy you can love our hate christian nielsen, the real story people should go read the atlanta -- >> i have to jump in, the buzzfeed reporting shows the exact opposite and they speak to trump officials and colleagues. by, quote i sat within inches of miles taylor during meetings solely focused on zero tolerance policy. he was not vocally opposed to the way of the decisions before. us many, a lot of those people or probably people who got to be in the room for the real
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conversation. i would urge people to go read the most definitive history of family separation. written by caitlyn dickerson at the atlantic. it shows that as a -- lever hate kirstjen nielsen, when they took a vote at the white house about whether to move forward with the family separation policy at doj, i wasn't there in those meetings he was the only one to vote against it. . it was a humanitarian catastrophe -- despite the fact i knew nothing against -- what was my involvement? i helped co-write the executive order to end it. the moment after that policy became public, to me, it was horrific, it was a reason people needed to resign. >> we are out of time. we are out of time. i want to give you the opportunity you don't regret not resigning at the time and you don't think you have anything to apologize for today? >> i regret that we didn't get multiple cabinet secretaries not to resign. the policy was not my responsibility. it was the president of the
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united states. the attorney general. and then ultimately, the secretary couldn't stop it i'm glad it was reversed. it was one of the most horrific humanitarian catastrophes of the administration. it was preventable. what i will warn is in the second term, donald trump wants to bring a policy like that back and put it on steroids -- we >> can definitely agree on that. i appreciate you coming on the show thank you for your time. thank you. >> after the break we finally have a date for what could turn out to be the beginning of the end for donald trump. now, prosecutors in the classified documents case need to find jurors who aren't all trump synthesizers. is that even possible in southern florida? don't forget, you can listen to the mehdi hassan so anytime free wherever you get your podcasts new. podcasts new evaluations... and the results are in. subaru is the 2023 best mainstream automotive brand,
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we finally have a date for the classified documents trial. aileen cannon, the trump appointed dredge overseeing the case is scheduled a criminal trial for may the 20th 2024. that's when the former president will officially begin defending himself for allegedly retaining dozens are tracked -- after he left the white house. that means between now and the end of the gop primaries, trump wouldn't be in at least five different criminal and civil trials. that doesn't even include a potential third criminal indictment coming from special counsel jack smith's probe into the former presidents efforts to overturn the 2020 election. this week, trump said he received a letter from service team in that case. according to nbc news, the letter outlines three federal statutes under which he might be charged. deprivation of rights, conspiracy to defraud the u.s. and tampering with a witness. and it's worth noting that based on the polls, by the time the documents trial gets underway, donald trump will likely be the 2024 gop
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presidential nominee. let's bring in my panel of experts. glenn kirschner, msnbc legal analyst and former prosecutor and judge the doors claudell, the author of the book huron up my life on the bench. what works what's broken and how to change it. thank you both for coming back on the show. dutch cordell, the last time we spoke, you are on my peacock show talking about judge cannon's interesting role at the -- the conflicts of interest. she is now split the difference on timing and scheduling this trial later than the december date that the team wanted. not to be and definite postponement that trump wanted. that our federal state for trump or for smith? >> preliminarily, the argument that trump made that it should be postponed because he's going to be really busy running for president the implication was that if he were to be elected he would then would not be busy. he would deal with all the litigation. it is absurd.
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it's more harder to run for president than to actually be president that being said the day that she picked is likely a realistic update at the same time it's also likely to be continued because of pretrial motions and i don't think he she'd assad up there and split the difference. carefully and understood how many documents are involved and then decided this is the date we're going to go and i think that should be a citizen. time as you mentioned, there are five cases -- four of those cases are and four different jurisdictions. florida new york georgia and in washington d.c.. so, this is really unprecedented in terms of having all this litigation and balding one person. so, i think realistically she gave a good date. i don't know how realistic it would be in terms of holding to it. >> in terms of that date moving
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i was mentioning at the top of the show i was in the uk on vacation it's hard to explain to foreigners from my fellow brits in the uk that trump is going on trial in front of a judge he appointed people don't get that how that can be. there wasn't a recruit sal and she could move the date for good reasons and bad. we any indictments which could be coming any day now that trial, that judge would have to defer to cannon because she won first in terms of states? >> there really is no first and first out rule. it's not a hard and fast rule that the -- which is arraigned is not necessarily the first case that's going to go to trial. when i was a federal prosecutor at the u.s. attorney's office high off had defendants in common with my friends and my colleagues up in maryland the
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states attorneys with my friends and colleagues across the river in virginia. the commonwealth attorneys i communicated with them to try to come up with the best overarching approach to how a particular defendant and his cases should be handled. what was in the best interest of justice? what was really going to protect all of our respective communities? here's what i said. being a fed for 30 years, the feds like to come in and bigfoot state prosecutions. i don't endorse that i intend no disrespect to the state district attorney, thank goodness, we had fani willis. us and the alvin bragg's of the world pursuing violations of the law in their respective distant jurisdictions the feds have the most resources and they have a very high i would argue inordinately high conviction rate it is anyone's guess at this point which of these would be the first to go to trial.
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>> in the jacks mitt case, it was fed versus fed. two teams and two indictments. judge cornell, i want to play the sound of trump issuing a not so subtle threat made on a radio show this week. warning what would happen, he thinks, if he ends up being sent to prison. have a listen. >> for example, they do say jack smith, okay i'm going to put donald trump in jail. i think it's a very dangerous thing to even talk about it. we do have a tremendous passionate group of voters who would be very dangerous. >> if you had a defendant saying something like that in a trial you are seeing, what would you do? we do restrict their speech or hold him into contempt. i can't imagine anyone getting away with this threat before going to trial. he's threaten the judge. he threatened the prosecutors. he talked about family members. >> this is clearly a threat. he's doing it again. this is what he's done in the
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past. nothing has changed as far as he is concerned. what can a judge do? a judge can issue a gag order. that's a threat, a threat to me, a threat to the community, a threat to jurors. a threat to a judge who will do the sentencing and issue a gag order. it's likely trump would violate it. in which, case the judge has absolute authority say come on in here. this, time you cannot stay locked up. i'm not mad -- and the only recourse i have is to lock you up. there is one other. put a bracelet on his electronic -- and make him stay in one place. it wouldn't work. he has all this litigation. no judge, no judge should take this sitting down or quietly when you make statements like this. >> last question. as a former prosecutor howard jack smith get a jury and a
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heavily pro trump county like saint lucia where this would take place next may. it doesn't include a hard-core maga folks who just refused to find them guilty. no matter what the evidence. without merit were you? >> it would concern me. i have great faith in the selection process. hard-core maga folks on the one hand and who will not be fair who will not find him guilty on the other. these are two different things. people come into jury selection with a preconceived notions. their biases and prejudices. their ideologies. their politics. however, once they raise their right hand during jury selection and swear to tell the truth, you, know they will be grilled by the parties, prosecution, defense, by the judge to make sure they can set aside any preconceived notions. and a political associations. and the ideology. they can decide the case based solely on the facts presented in the courts. i have confidence that a fair
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and impartial jury can be seated. we'll be. seated will resolve -- in accordance with the evidence. >> i hope you're right, glenn, i have my doubts myself. let's see what happens. glenn, -- thank you both for your analysis tonight. much appreciated. >> still to come. israel is on the precipice of completely overhauling its judiciary -- a move that would consolidate power for a prime minister benjamin netanyahu. just returned from the country heat joined us in a moment. first, richard louis is here with the headlines. good evening. good evening russian missiles striking the ukrainian city of odessa and leaving one dead and over 20 injured. historic buildings were damaged including an early 19th century cathedral. president zelenskyy vowed retaliation. this comes just days after president putin counseled a crucial grain deal with ukraine. wildfires raging in greece for the six-day forcing 19,000 people to evacuate from the island of roads. the largest evacuation from a
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wildfire in that country. more fires breaking out today. temperatures hit 110 degrees. the u.s. is also sweltering under more record breaking temperatures as -- reached an all-time high of 106. phoenix hitting 118. the las vegas weather service actually baked cookies in a hot car that heated up to 210 degrees. more of the mehdi hasan show right after this t after this liberty mutual customizes your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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heat. for many of the palestinians watching, the protest might seem a little self serving. while israelis are undoubtedly standing up for their own rights, they are marching in jerusalem, a city that's half occupied. they are remaining largely silent about the lack of rights for palestinians living under a decades-long israeli military occupation. remember netanyahu and his government have also continue to expand settlements. they remove people from their homes. earlier this, not israeli authorities affected palestinian family from an apartment in jerusalem's old city. on thursday, they stormed the house and masafer yatta along the southern west bank as the family was celebrating the results of their daughter's high school exams. msnbc's -- is just back from the region. he joins me. now peter, thank you for coming back on the show. on the one hand, you see hundreds of thousands israelis marching for their rights. and then you have palestinians watching that. especially palestinians who've been under occupation saying where is the large for us? is that a fair criticism of
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these protesters in your view? >> yes, i think so. i think for palestinians, it's quite surreal to hear people marching under the banner of democracy and equality and yet not paying much attention to them who live and very nearby. they live under the control in the west bank. for instance, live under the control of the israeli state. they can't become citizens and they can't vote for the government that controls their lives. they live under military law. there is a small group of these protesters who are trying to make that connection. i think that's really terrific. unfortunately,, most of the protesters, either because they are afraid of being attacked by benjamin netanyahu from the right politically or they genuinely just don't make the connection because they internalize the idea that they don't deserve equality they can talk about these terms without thinking they apply to palestinians. >> talk about what you saw on the ground in the occupied territory.
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you just got back in there a few days. ago what does settlement expansion and evictions of palestinians actually look like? >> in parts of the west bank, what you are seeing is a slow motion ethnic cleansing. so in areas you -- see the west bank, it's 60%, it's a territory where israel doesn't want palestinians to be. you have a place like masafer yatta -- 2800 people's over villages. they are faced with expulsion virtually all the buildings are threatened with demolition. i saw a school that was demolished by the army. the children have to walk kilometers to another village they are also threatened with demolition now. >> this is the kind of thing that i desperately wish that people in israel would feel the same degree of passion. people in the united states would ask questions like is this a good use of our taxpayer money to help the israeli army
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do this it's a -- horrifying to see people who live every day with the prospect that bulldozers to come and destroy all of the buildings in their village and for some to go somewhere else. >> it's interesting. you mentioned the use of our money. we send billions and military aid. this week, we saw for the first time to former american ambassadors to israel come out and tell the new york times that they think we need to stop some of this or all of this aid. it doesn't give us the leverage we thought we had. sometimes, peter, it feels like things are changing in the u.s.. and then on other days it feels like things are the same. just a few days ago democratic congresswoman primala jayapal received blow back after calling israel a racist state and she promptly apologized and retracted remarks i don't actually think that and then her fellow house democrats -- enough 400 and 12 to 9 vote the
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house overwhelmingly passed a resolution expressing their support for israel saying is not racist, is not apartheid today. only nine democrats voted against that resolution. not jayapal. peter, you and i have talked before about how democrats and a grassroots level according to polling seem to have become less pro israeli, more sympathetic to the palestinians living under occupation. yet, you still have this almost unconditional overwhelming bipartisan support for israel in congress. >> yes, i don't think that surprising. if you look at the way movements historically in america grassroots movements for equality and freedom have worked, they start from the grassroots. it tends to be the politicians who get the matches last. that was the case with the anti apartheid music the case with the movement against the vietnam war. as you talk about it, there's a fundamental shift happening in the political culture of the democratic party at the grassroots it's very hard to see how that doesn't continue and i think at a certain point
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that grassroots dynamic will puncture the kind of cocoon of washington no matter how much influence there is on the other side. look, the same democrats for saying israel is not an apartheid state are people who listen to the -- apartheid state when they condemn russia or they condemned china. it's not logically consistent. >> i think there's a phrase for. it progressive except palestine. last question before we run out of time. in your view as someone who is jewish and written about antisemitism for many years, is primala jayapal, quick, was it racist, antisemitic to call israel racist? >> when you have a territory where two people live under legal systems faith on their -- what would you call it? >> peter beinart, thank you for coming on the show. i appreciate it. >> thank you.
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impossible for a moment. have you watched the sound of freedom yet? sound of what? sound of freedom. it is the sleeper hit of the summer that made as much money as the new indiana jones did on opening day. it's so far grossed over hundred million dollars in total revenue. it is a thriller chronicling the efforts of an agent trying to rescue children from sex trafficking in columbia. it has the backing of not just republicans and religious conservatives, not just ted cruz and elon musk, but also qanon folks. the internet tinfoil hat brigade. now, i could focus today on how
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actual experts on child trafficking say the movie offers sensational false perception of child trafficking that could further harm real victims. or on how a vice investigation into the ad trafficking group at the center of the film found a pattern of image burnishing and mythology building a series of a bag exaggerations that are in the aggregate quite misleading. i'd rather focus on the star of the movie. actor jim diseases. you may remember him for the 2002 hit movie the count of monte cristo or even mo gibson's controversial passion of the crisis in which cause he's all played christ but what you may not know about jim caviezel is that he is now a peddler of the coolest and we are destined craziest most dangerous conspiracies in american public life. yes, he's gone for qanon. don't just take my word for it. >> we are headed into the storm of all storms. yes, the storm is upon us.
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the reason that crowd exploded right there had applause and cheers is because could easily reference the infamous qanon catchphrase. it gets a lot more dodgy and extreme than that. caviezel is now perhaps the most high-profile pusher of qanon's adrenal chrome conspiracy. >> the adrenaline roaming of children, if a child knows he's going to die his body will secrete adrenaline. >> the whole adrenaline rome and pyre, this is a big deal. it is listed under the any age. it is a chemical compound. it's a molecular structure. it's c nine age nine. it's an elite drug. it's used for many years. it's more potent then heroin. >> okay, lots to unpack. the long short is that qanon believes hollywood and democratic elites harvest adrenaline rome from traffic
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and torture children and use its mystical psychedelic properties for satanic rituals. it's sort of like if the plot of pixar's monster zinc was penned by the manson family. obviously, it's absolute bs. it's top to bottom. in reality, adana chrome is an easy to come by chemical compound prescribed by doctors in some countries to treat blood clotting. let's not use sight of the lingering antisemitism here either. the similarly hateful -- that jews use the blood of christian children and secret ceremonies was used to justify the torture and murder of jews. and blood libel conspiracies are the only example of antisemitism swirling around the star of sound of freedom. >> you have got to go after the head of the occupants in this one. who is it the central banks, the imf, the ecb, the central banks and the bears and the rothschild banks. we have a rothschild pope. >> oh, boy. now, fortunately, sound of freedom's producers have come
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forward to condemn qanon conspiracies. i can't take seriously a movie on child trafficking being pushed by and starring an out now conspiracist who dabbles in qanon and antisemitism and suggests elites are behaving like vampires with kids and even now claims donald trump as the new moses. i will stick to barbenheimer, hank you very much. coming up at the top of the hour with ayman williams, christina, greer and tim heaphy discuss the ex presidents pack calendar of civil and criminal child, after a man joins me to answer an important question, why are conservatives so scared of a movie about a plastic doll? stick around. stick around my father didn't know his dad. she knew that i always want to know more about my family history. with ancestry i dug and dug until i found some information. i was able to find out more than just a name. and then you add it to the tree. i found ship manifests. birth certificate. wow. look at your dad.
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goli, taste your goals. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. tonight. my special thanks to michael steele for holding down the fort over the past two sundays. i was on a much-needed vacation. we will be right back here next sunday at eight pm eastern and you can find the show on the msnbc hub on peacock. a new episode the show airs every week on thursday. now it's time to hand it over to my good friend ayman mohyeldin. amen, i haven't yet had a chance to watch barbenheimer. either movies. i'm semi enjoying watching the male conservative meltdown over the barbie movie. send it to ted cruz, declaring war on barbie, ponded ben shapiro claiming he has
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destroyed barbie. these are grown men losing their minds over a movie about a doll. amen, what is happened to the conservative movement. there is a time when conservatives had substantive things to say about taxes, regulation, defense, foreign policy. now it's just barbie, best dr. seuss that, bud light, mr. potato head. the skin color of the little mermaid. it's ridiculous. it is childish. it is pretty pathetic, actually. is it not? >> don't forget the m&ms. remember, there was a period when they had an outrage over m&ms. you are totally right. it is beyond pathetic and honestly, you know it's worse, it's not just you know the desperation of people like cruz and shapiro to inject themselves into every aspect and make it a point of friction between the right and the left. it's that they always do it with this arrogance. a sense that they somehow speak for the masses. they have the pulse of what americans really care about. and what they.
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what everyone else is out of touch. ted cruz and ben shapiro they know what's up. we just got the numbers for the box office this weekend. the movie that ted cruz and his -- for chinese communist propaganda has brought in a whopping 100 and $55 million in the u.s. alone. it's a staggering number that has not been seen since the pandemic. once again urges to tucker's ability bureau in the others who have been burning their barbie dolls the past few two weeks in protest, they are once again wrong. americans were excited to see this movie. do you know i? they know it's just a movie to enjoy, not some sinister ploy to brainwash the masses. >> it's always projection with the right. there is a movie in the box office right now that i was just talking about called sound of freedom it's all about enraging and getting the base work done. barbie is not that. >> no it's, definitely not that. but i'm right there with you.
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i'm excited to see both of them i'm not going to. i am going to try and catch it this week. all right, my friend, good to see, a great show as always. tonight on ayman,tonight on aymn four seasons of accountability, we're going to dive into his packed trial calendar and take a special look at the outstanding cases we are all waiting for including finding the investigation in georgia. plus, fighting back texas women are opening up about the harsh dangerous restrictions on abortion in that state. republican roadblock john roberts won't fix the supreme courts. republicans in congress, they are giving him cover. i'm ayman mohyeldin let's get started. >> donald trump has escaped accountability almost his entire life. this year, every thing is changing. welcome to
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