how does it feel to be portrayed as an idiot, bigot, or sad loser. >> the new barbie movie takes america's favorite doll from barbie to harpy. >> sour grapes i guess because this weekend, millions of filmgoers voted with their feet and went to the box office for barbie, and barbie is everything. they're just kens. that does it for me. you can catch my podcast, strict scrutiny, about the supreme court and the legal culture that surrounds it, wherever you find your podcasts. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i didn't do it. i wasn't involved in it. but i think what they're doing is i think they're probably going to show some of the folks that eventually parlayed, you know, being a blacksmith into doing things later in life.

>> really? okay. ron desantis is not backing down from his support for teaching children that slavery was not only not so bad, it was an awesome job skilled program. you're welcome, black people. as the right finds a target even bigger than hunter biden. her name is barbie. also tonight, judging by donald trump's social media, he certainly believes another indictment is imminent. new information tonight on when that indictment might be handed down. plus, greg abbott's border cruelty. allegations of pushing migrants into the water in defiance of a justice department order to remove dangerous barriers in the rio grande. we begin tonight with conservatives clutching their little pearls over the world's most iconic doll. that is, of course, barbie. whose movie smashed the glass ceiling when greta gerwig made

history by making the biggest domestic open eby a women director ever. they also flocked to see oppenheimer, a biopic about the creator of the atomic bomb. so you had two movies coined barbenheimer, representing the fourth highest selling box office opening in history. when you throw in how well the mermaid movie did and into the spiderverse this summer, for the first time since covid, it's safe to say movies are back. and yet, conservatives are not enjoying the boom for the economy. instead, they are big mad about barbie, which is why we have conservative commentator and grown man ben shapiro taking himself to the movies to hate watch it. and because ben was so mad and so manly, he released a 42-minute video screed that included setting fire to barbie dolls in protest over the film's perceived anti-man wokeness. are you okay, ben? rhetorical question, as he's

clearly not okay. never mind he went to hate watch barbie dressed in the same outfit as ken, which is super weird. meanwhile, on friday, jason aldean doubled down on his maga friendly single, try that in a small town. the song's music video featured aldean performing outside a courthouse where a century ago, an 18-year-old was attacked by a mob and lunched. many have pointed out how it seems to promote violence. they said, quote, what i am is a proud american. i'm proud to be from here. i love our country. i want to see it restored to what it once was before all this bs started happening to us. i wonder what he means by this bs happening to us. could it mean demographic change that reflects more women and brown people in america, a young generations of voters who are tired of mass shootings in schools and want lgbtq people to

live fully and freely, and by the way, what does he mean by us? all this rage confirms the right's deepest fears about a more diverse america. and the only tactic they seem to have left other than voter suppression and gerrymandering is to ramp up the culture war because they're clearly out of ideas. it's a war that is doomed to fail. so here comes their latest tactic. using the law to enforce historical amnesia. which brings us to florida. where the latest desantis shenanigans involve the state's new black history curriculum which will teach students about how enslaved black people benefitted from slavery by getting cool new job skills. this weekend, desantis with a completely straight face defended the revisionist history saying enslaved people parlayed the forced labor, torture, and rape, into being a blacksmith and stuff. slavery is a transferrable job skill, yay. a spokesman for the florida department of education provided

a response to nbc news through a statement from members of the desantis apointed african american history standards work group. they defended the new curriculum citing blacksmiths, shoe makers, and fishers to acquire their skills as slaves. but the work group apparently aren't the greatest experts in, you know, history, because their examples are not even accurate. for example, in the statement, ned cobb is listed as a blacksmith who somehow benefitted from slavery. but he was actually a tenant farmer born 20 years after the emancipation. lewis latimer also listed as a blacksmith was born a free man in massachusetts. and he wasn't even a blacksmith. he was an inventor. betty washington lewis listed as a shoemaker wasn't even black. she was the free white sister of president george washington. oh, and a slave holder. joining me now is former florida state senator dwight bullard. senior political adviser for

florida rising and a former high school social studies teacher and political strategist stuart stevens, friend of the show, is also with us. thank you both for being here. let's go to you first, dwight. you were at the meeting where they took on these brilliant new standards for teaching history. can you describe how that meeting went? >> um, i don't know what was first the dog or the pony, but it was definitely a dog and pony show. there were a number of folks who spoke out against the standards, simply asking the board to table them until they could be revisited. and then with unanimous consent, the all-white state board of education decided to adopt these new african american history standards. >> so it was an all-white group. okay, one of the things, i went through and read the standards because i didn't want to criticize something i hadn't read. i saw the sort of lines that have gotten the most ink, the stuff about people got transferrable skills. i noted just three of the ones

they got wrong. there were 15 examples cited, none of which were accurate. none of the ones cited by the florida department of education were even correct. the people who were blacksmiths weren't. the people they say got skilled through enslavement were either born free or acquired their skills after obtaining freedom. there was literally not one accurate one of the 15 they cited. that was weird. here's one of the things that was included that they spelled wrong. the akoci massacre, it was spelled ococee. here's what happened on that day, it was on election day in 1920, a black labor broker showed up to vote. election officials told norman he hadn't paid his poll tax. he said he had but he was turned away. by the evening, a white mob had arrived from orlando. a rumor said he was hiding in the home of a black landowner who had been involved in the

black voter registration drive. his hose was surrounded by the mob and then it went up in the flames. it may not be known how many residents were killed that night. under florida's guidelines, mr. bullard, the 1920 ococee massacre is to be detiktoked as an act of violence perpetrated against and by african americans. they want to both sides that and say victims of the massacre also perpetrated violence. as a black man from florida, what do you make of that? >> i mean, if the act of violence was voting, then that's the violence they're talking about. that shows you the absurdity of the change in those standards. the ococee massacre were black men choosing to exercise their right to vote. and because of their choosing to exercise their right to vote, violence was committed against them by an all-white mob. so it's embarrassing that in the

state of florida, we can't tell the truth even about our own history and what my remarks at the actual state board meeting were that the reason that we even have african american history standards was because the state actively chose to corrupt the rosewood massacre of the early 1920s as well. so it wasn't until african american legislators in 1994 after the research was done around rosewood, finally moved to adopt african american history standards, keeping them broad primarily because of the uncovered history of black people in the state of florida. the state of florida was the most violent state in the south. the state where you could most likely be lynched of all the states. that's above alabama, above mississippi, above tennessee. percapty, more lynchings happened in the state of florida than happened anywhere else. so when we think about that

history of black violence, it's something that needs to be told, but it's been actively covered up. and the state is trying to do the same with these changes. >> stuart stevens, back in the day when you were working on republican campaigns, i am old enough to remember republicans saying we need to find a way to attract more african americans to vote for us. it seems like that day is done. it does seem now that the party's purpose is to stuff black history into a tin can and send it to the bottom of the sea. what do you think is the motive for that? is that just to get more white voters? what do you think is the motive for doing that? >> i think it's fear. you know, the country is headed to become a minority majority country. all the stephen millers in the world isn't going to stop that. the republican party had two choices here. one, to change and do what was necessary to attract more non-white votes.

or go down this path of trying to maximize white votes with this racism and xenophobia and fear while making it more difficult for those who are nonwhite, particularly at the lower economic end, to vote. and that's the tragic way that it went. i mean, in 1964, goldwater got 7% of the african american vote. trump got 8%. 1% every 56 years, you know, it doesn't look very good. but it's just, this conservatism has become a fearful ideology. it's a fear of the future. fear of this idea that the country is becoming more urban. and it's a great tragedy. >> but i mean, it's a future that's already here. 15 -- if you're 15 years old right now today, your generation all the way down to newborns are already majority nonwhite.

america is already majority minority at 15 years of age and older. younger, so what they're doing is saying to black and brown and multiracial kids, you can't learn your history. and i'm just looking at the electorate here. the republican party is still 90% white. the democratic party relies for its votes on a multiracial coalition. you can't win elections long term this way, stuart, unless you literally do apartheid and make it impossible for people of color to vote, because they're only shrinking among people of color. >> well, i think that's why you have these efforts across the country to change the voting system. you know, i don't think that this appeals to a lot of suburban votes, a lot of white voters, a lot of moderate white voters. if you think about it, what is the driving force behind so many families we know? to get their kids a better education, and what florida is

doing is just bad education. and if you continue to do this, you're going to test worse and your whole school system is going to go down. students are going to test worse. it's going to make it more difficult to get into good colleges and who is going to want to move a company there where your kids are going to go to a second rate school system? so it's completely self-defeating. >> and you're seeing, dwight, let me just play for you, i want to play for you, her name is kim daniels, a former state representative. this is what she said in 2018. she's now a member of this florida african american history curriculum work force that put together this curriculum. representative kim daniels. >> i thank god for slavery. i thank god for the crackhouse, if it weren't for the crackhouse, come on, somebody, god wouldn't have never been able to use me how he can use me now. if it wasn't for slavery, i

might be someone in africa worshiping a tree. >> dwight, this is the member -- a member of the task force that put this together. so there are black folk in florida who are participating in this. what do you make of that? >> yes, it's unfortunate not all skin folk are kin folk, and people tend to be complicit in their own oppression. unfortunately, representative kim daniels is currently a representative in the state of florida, currently on this task force, and currently out of touch with where african american history is, has been, and is moving. you know, in the light of the voices of the world and putting so much time in the john hope franklins and others who put time into real academic research into making african american studies a core component of a history curriculum, it's folks like this with no background in

education, no background as a historical reference point, as a historian, even as a researcher, being placed on a task force to re-enforce junk history. the sad part is you're pulling that clip. she actually said that in a committee meeting. >> last word to you on this, stuart. you have the president of the united states, the current president, joe biden, putting forth a national monument to emmett till. your home state of mississippi. who we can't even get the oppenheimer history right. this is a country that did not only a movie but also a documentary and left out the fact there were people in los alamos who were moved off that land, forced off their land, and then hired to work in the los alamos facility without the proper ppe, and died as a result of poisoning from the nuclear

material. so we didn't even get that right. that history is also wrong. this is a country that is ahistoric in the way it operates in the world. i wonder for you as somebody who comes from a state where that emmett till, you know, and it will probably get shot at like the current one is, as you and i both know, people shoot at the emmett till memorial there now in mississippi. now there's going to be a national one. what do we do as a country if we're determined to forget our past? >> look, i think it's the story of america, that there's a push and pull between the positive and the negative. look, i'm an optimist on this. i think that mississippi has tried to do -- look at its past. i think that's the direction the country is going in. i think that this is an attempt to re-create some past that never really existed. and i think it's going to be defeated. it's just not where america wants to go for the majority. >> i agree with you, and i will

note i looked at some polling over the weekend. ron desantis, the reason he's sliding in the polls, he's losing college educated white republicans because even they're like, you know what, that's too much. we don't want it. former florida state senator dwight bullard, thank you very much. stuart stevens, thank you as well. >> up next on "the reidout," trump's increasingly frenzied rage filled posts suggest he may just be days away from potential indictment. we'll bring you the very latest when "the reidout" continues.

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it's getting hotter here in the nation' capitol, and no, i'm not talking about the extreme heat wave affecting millions of people across this country. i'm talking about the heat affecting one person in particular. the twice impeached, twice indicted former president. that is because at any moment, special counsel jack smith could hand donald trump his third indictment. this time over his efforts to try to overturn his 2020 election loss. and just as a reminder, donald, you did lose. it appears like the heat is getting to trump as he spent the weekend more focused on rage posting on his twitter or should i say ex-knockoff platform, continuing his attacks on the special counsel, attorney general merrick garland, and the entire doj, hurling insults and whining about nonexistent election interference.

joining me now, harry lipman, former deputy assistant attorney general, and myles taylor, former chief of staff at the department of homeland security in the trump administration. his new podcast is called, the whistleblowers, inside the trump administration. >> harry, what should we be looking for as signals to whether, if we assume an indictment is coming, whether it's imminent? >> it's a great question. i think really there's one main signal, and that is everything they're talking about in terms of witnesses they have to interview, they don't need the grand jury for, but it's customary and in this case it will happen that trump's lawyers will be afforded a final chance to come in and make a last-minute plea, which will not succeed, but they have the opportunity. i don't see why they wouldn't take it. and it's interesting, as you just noted, that the sort of hysteria levels from trump are

hitting the stratosphere. this is one he would know about, are we going in, how is this going to work, what is the timing? so to me, the table is set. smith is ready to go, and that's what the target letter means, save only you guys coming in or not, and by the way, you can't take two weeks. you know, come in, have the pitch. after that, here's the indictment. >> how often does this pitch ever result in a non-indictment when you come in for that last meeting? how likely is that? >> well, you know, i was u.s. attorney and had those and occasionally it would change the charges perhaps. not here, only because it's been so carefully thought through. there's a draft indictment that you can be sure has gone up to the front office. so it's not as if doj always turns a deaf ear to these things. it might be useful. here, i think we can be certain no changes will occur as a result of the meeting. >> myles, there is a certain level of hysteria going on

amongst donald trump's twitter fingers or whatever he calls his platform. you know, i don't know, how afraid do you think he is? >> i think he's terrified. i think that donald trump is not worried about this affecting, you know, in general his overall standing with the maga movement. i think what he's worried about, even jail time, i think really what he's worried about is this is going to give even more ammunition to even more of his political rivals in the primary process. we have already seen chris christie and will hurd and asa hutchinson seize on his indictments saying look, the guy might not even be able to take office as president of the united states. he's worried it's going to make it even more difficult for him. bigger picture, the concern i have right now, joy, is as much as donald trump is sweating it, and i like to watch him sweating it on tv, we also know what this man does when he gets pushed

into a corner. and that is he incites violence. the man has a history of violence. and remember, in the lead-up to january 6th, many months before, the year before, he started to talk about who is being afoot and a civil war is in the offing. we're seeing these menacing videos and trust me, it's not by accident. he's trying to assess if he does have supporters willing to commit acts of violence on his behalf. that's what worries me every time one of these things happens, that we might see it. i don't think with an indictment you're going to see him exhort people to violence because he will always hope in the end he can be the winner and not the loser, but there's a lot of opportunities in the next year for donald trump to become a loser, in courts, and at the polls, and in the court of public opinion. and that moment in which he's decisively declared a loser is the moment we have to worry about the potential for public safety concerns. >> it's a really good point that miles brings up, harry, because donald trump has gotten away with saying a lot of threatening things about the prosecutors. i'm wondering at what point they

say you can't do that anymore. at what point do they actually shut him down, because you know, being threatening and sort of talking like a mob boss about jack smith, that's part of his campaign. at some point, do you think they say enough? >> it's the court that says that. so once he is -- right now, jack smith will not issue a proclamation, and it is really interesting, it's a perfect juxtaposition because his campaign platform seems to be that smith is deranged and to be going at this. but once a court has jurisdiction and especially a court in d.c. that is used to this, they can say look, run your campaign, but do not pollute the jury pool. run your campaign but do not endanger the officers of the court to include jack smith, and if you do, i have means to really muzzle you, that eventually, there's got to be many warnings before you do this to a former president, but

eventually means you are going in jail until you stop. so there's a series of things that a judge can do and will do to protect the sanctity of a trial or a judicial process once it is engaged. >> and miles, you talked about sort of the threat in general. i think that's very true. how do you think the homeland security department is thinking about this? because you obviously don't have secret service for everybody. jack smith doesn't have secret service. you have officers of the court involved here, you have a potential judge involved here. donald trump has gone after jack smith's wife. how much can the federal government protect these folks because then you broaden it out, fani willis is out here, you have the prosecutor, the d.a. in manhattan. there are lot of moving pieces here. donald trump is threatening all of them. >> well, i have actually very recently had conversations with a number of people in top law enforcement positions in the administration about how in general going into 2024 with all

of the cacophony, all of the charges against trump, the political volatility, they're scrambling to keep up and to plan for how to address these very unexpected scenarios, but the problem is it's the lone wolf you worry about the most and the one you don't see coming. just think about when donald trump started objecting to the search in mar-a-lago, and he started blasting the fbi as the fascist bureau of investigation. it's no coincidence that within days a guy shows up at the field office in ohio with an ar-15 and a nail gun. we're lucky that people besides the perpetrator didn't die. it's those exhortations to violence from him and his movement we have to be concerned about. i think we're going to see more and more of that as it becomes clearer that jack smith has damning evidence we don't know about against donald trump. we just saw reporting today about how they're actually looking into my former department and how dhs briefed donald trump on election security, and he was aware. i was there for some of those

briefings. to be clear, i haven't spoken to the special counsel, but i was there in briefings for donald trump years before the election where we briefed him on how secure the 2020 election would be and all the efforts we were undertaking. trump was aware it would be a secure election, and somehow conveniently forgot that his administration had helped secure the elections nationwide. it sounds like something the special counsel is going to bring up to talk about his mind set. >> very interesting. okay, we're going to have you gentlemen to talk about this as it goes forward. harry lipman and miles taylor, thank you. before we go to break, a quick correction. in the last block, i mistakenly referred to a race massacre by the wrong name. i called the town ococee. it is ocoee. all the florida people, don't holler at me on social media. it's still a down near orlando in florida. still ahead, texas governor greg abbott defies a justice department deadline to remove a floating barrier across the rio grande. just the latest example of the

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the justice department is suing texas and governor greg abbott over a 1,000-foot floating barrier and an additional razor wire barrier that the state deployed across part of the rio grande. a river stretching between texas and mexico this month. the doj had warned abbott his

moves violated federal law, raised humanitarian concerns and raised serious risks to public safety and the environment. last week, the houston chronicle got access to an email from a texas department of public safety trooper who laid out deeply disturbing allegations. in the email, the officer who worked for greg abbott's border security initiative, claimed that they were ordered to push small children and nursing babies back into the rio grande. they had also been told not to provide water in record-shattering heat to asylum seekers. the razor wire deployed by troopers has injured people, including a woman who had a miscarriage while entangled in the wire. so much for pro-life texas. the trooper also suggested that texas has set traps of razor wire wrapped barrels in parts of the river with high water and low visibility. which has increased the threat of drowning because it has

forced migrants into deeper stretches of the river. the trooper noted that the razor wire traps are so deadly that they discovered a young mother and her two children had been submerged in the river. the mother and one of her children were declared dead at the hospital. the second child was never found. governor abbott seems quite indifferent to these horrors. earlier today, he tweeted, quote, we will continue to deploy every strategy to protect texans and americans and the migrants risking their lives, unquote. it's a little odd that the governor claimed he's protecting migrants by endangering their lives. given that the chronicle also reported that federal border patrol officials issued internal warnings that the razor wire was dangerous. and was inhibiting border agents from helping people in distress. a warning that abbott clearly ignored and continues to ignore. joining me now is julian castro, former hud secretary in the obama administration, and msnbc political analyst.

julian, always good to see you. i know it's your brother, joaquin castro, congressman castro, who actually asked for this lawsuit. let's talk about what's happening here. this appears to be an attempt to cause death to migrants including women and children. is that the way you see it? >> yes, it is, joy. this is sick stuff. this goes beyond just passively trying to keep people out. as you described, this is actively trying to harm people, and as the houston chronicle article made clear, it is harming people. in terrible ways. and now people are getting to see the pictures, they're getting to hear the stories of folks who have been maimed, people who have been put into danger, including children. so this is sick. it's performative cruelty by governor abbott. how do we know that? we know that because the number of border crossings in texas has actually plunged since may, when title 42 was lifted. so what we have seen over the

last several months is that those crossings have gone down, and the federal approach has been working to reduce those crossings. and instead of recognizing that and trying to work with the federal government to make sure things continue to go in the right direction, and also perhaps do something about comprehensive immigration reform, governor abbott engageds in another level of cruelty to appeal to his right wing base. that's all it is, not about solving the problem. it's about hurting people to please his right-wing base. >> you know, that bears out because you're right, the number of border crossings fell below 100,000, the first time since 2021. it's going as you said in a direction down, but all you're hearing is more tragedy. another story, an independent auditor found an 8-year-old girl from panama was -- who died despite clearly preventable illness because people refused to treat her at the border.

it does seem because between this, what abbott is doing, what desantis is doing, snatching people out of texas and throwing them on planes everywhere. they're sort of using these migrants at this point as theater. and in some cases as gory sort of snuff film type theater. do you believe governor abbott, is this the goal? does he want to see more deaths? does he think that's going to deter people if more people die? >> i think he thinks this is going to get him more support in a republican party that has been taken over by extremists. absolutely get their jollies from seeing migrants hurt, maimed, punished in their eyes. and so he thinks he's going to get ahead politically. this is a guy that, as i have said on your show many times, has bigger political ambitions. i think he sees himself one day, although i doubt it's ever going to happen, but he sees himself at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and one of the ways you get there is

to be this extreme on immigration and to hurt people. it's not only an indictment of him, it's also an indictment of the entire gop, and that's why i'm glad that the justice department is filing this lawsuit. i hope that president biden, who has the moral high ground here, will say something as well, because if you don't, you really allow them to keep playing these cruel games and go further and further. you can't just file the lawsuits. you also have to use that moral high ground, say something about it, help stop it. >> you know, it's funny. it's funny some people still call them the gop, it used to stand about grand old party. there's nothing grand about it, and i'm not sure there's anything old about it because they don't represent the old party at all. do you think there should be prosecutions around snis it does seem to be homicide? >> yes, i do. it's very telling the reason we know all of this is not some activist somewhere, some lawyer

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privately expressed his views that major changes in a democracy to be enduring must have as broad of a consensus as possible. it's unfortunate the vote today took place with the slimmest possible majority. joining me is david rothkoff, host of the deep state radio podcast. david, thank you for being here. i read your column today, in the daily beast. it was fiery. this is just a piece of it. you wrote for years israel made the case it was america's essential ally in the middle east because it was the only state in the region that was a democracy, not a theocracy or an autocracy like its neighbors. that is no longer the case. please explain. >> well, netanyahu for years has been cutting away at the fundamental rights of the palestinians who live within territory controlled by israel. now, he's cutting away at the fundamental rights of jewish people who live within israel. i'm sorry it's taken that to

awaken us to the decline of democracy in this country. but it has begun to awaken us. we do recognize that netanyahu no longer has shared values with the united states. and those shared values have been the basis of our special relationship. and until those shared values can be reestablished i think we have to use every tool available in our diplomatic arsenal to fight on behalf of the israeli people, all of the israeli people, for their fundamental rights and to preserve democracy. >> and you know, you wrote that as recently as a week ago, only nine people really had the courage to say that inside of the united states congress. there has been sort of a prohibition in many ways of criticizing the israeli government because it's treated as a stand-in for jewish people around the world, which it is not. there are a lot of jewish people in the united states who oppose the israeli government too. why has it been so difficult for american politicians, democrats and republicans, to stand up to

this? since i was in high school, i have been watching netanyahu talking about how much territory they're going to take. he's never shown much respect for palestinian humanity and he's gobbling up the territory that's supposed to be palestine. very few politicians ever say anything insome of the reasons t have been, you know, understandable reasons. israel is a key ally in the middle east particularly during the cold war. israel was more democratic than its neighbors. some of them were political reasons, and some of them it's was because people were afraid. they were afraid if they criticize the netanyahu government that netanyahu and the people around him the supporters of the u.s. will say you are being antisemitic. and that of course is not true. if you care about the future of the israeli people, all of them, then you need to be critical. we need to be a good friend of israel, which means standing up

when they are on the verge of making mistakes, taking a wrong turn, or acting in a way that is not consistent with our national interests. and we need to say no. and if that means withholding aid, if that means withholding interactions between our governments, we have to do that. we have to use all the tools, and we have to stop cowering to the people who are going to, you know, barrage any critic with criticism. >> i mean, the evangelical christian right in this country has been a big driver of support towards israel. and some of the believes they had at what happens in the in time is not good for israeli people and jewish people. but that is the belief system. nicholas chris offered a piece over the weekend that said, in the new york times, that said it might be time to reconsider the three billion dollars in aid. this is a rich country that got nukes, in terms of their military its is the strongest military in the region. do you think that's the lever? if in fact they are becoming a theocracy and an autocracy, and

let's just say that benjamin netanyahu is doing some of this to stay out of prison, much like donald trump would probably do if he got elected again? >> i think it's a lever we have to consider. for a long time, i think they have been given a check. netanyahu has been given a lot of slack. that has got to and. and we need to use all the tools available to us including with holding aid. and by the way, it wasn't just nick kristof to former u.s. ambassadors, to israel who has long been supporters, they've also said it. i see it change in the american political leadership that is starting to say, well, this isn't your grandfathers israel, your fathers israel. this direction that netanyahu is taking, people, it's very, very dangerous. and we have got to do the right thing, stand up now, and maybe at the same time, make up for decades of not doing the right thing word comes to the rights of the palestinians that live

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are seeing online is real or fake. and if you think to yourself, there is no way i would fall for it. well here's a cautionary tale. this weekend, a cousin of mine texted me, asking if i could hook her up with some weight loss gummies. and when i asked what she was talking about, she told me she saw this interview of me, being interviewed by cnn's anderson cooper. >> we decided to ask joy herself and this is what she told us. >> hi, anderson. i'm happy to have this opportunity to tell you my story. two months ago, i saw an advertisement for keto gummies. the website claimed that with the help of this product, you can lose weight by 25 pounds in four weeks. i decided to order three bottles. in the first few days, nothing changed. i've been skeptical about this. but what was my surprise, was when my weight started to evaporate. >> okay, except the thing is -- i have never been interviewed by anderson. i've never even met him, nor have i ever endorsed some

weight loss gummies. this whole thing was a deepfake scam just as my trainer coach jazz. but this kind of voice cloning and video manipulation is becoming more and more common, including in the world of politics. not too long ago, a video circulated of and a.i. generated interview showing hillary clinton on msnbc endorsing ron desantis for president, which never happened. another deepfake shows president biden insulting transgender woman. again, not real. and last week, the super pac never back down, which is supporting ron desantis, aired and ad in iowa using a.i. generated version of donald trump's voice. and it's not just politicians and people who are on tv that are being effective, it's also happening to everyday people. one arizona mother is sounding the alarm after she received a scam call where she heard her teenage daughter screaming and crying for help, as a man

demanded a ransom. but it wasn't actually her daughter. these scammers were able to use a.i. to reproduce this 15 year old voice just by using her social media posts. the moral of the story, in a world when it's not only easier for bad actors to use this technology, but also easier to spread misinformation with no consequences, beware of what you see and hear online. stay woke out there. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. all in♪ ♪ ♪ with chris ha>> good evening f. i am jen psaki in for chris hayes. two and a half years after the january 6th insurrection, we may tonight be on the eve of justice coming from the ex president donald j trump. we are waiting a possible federal indictment from special counsel jack smith over trump's efforts to overturn the election and subvert democracy.