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lady in a statement acknowledging that the white house complex is a unique and often stressful environment for pets and that the secret service and the executive resident staff are working on leashing protocols and additional training as well. so just another headache for the white house even involving their pets now. >> anyone who has been around it can affirm the stressful fiermt part in any case. i'm rooting for them. mike memoli, thank you so much. that's going to do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" frr 1:00 to 3:00 eastern here on msnbc. our coverage continues with ana cabrera right now. hello. thanks for joining us. i'm ana cabrera in for katy tur this hour. any minute president biden is
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expected o to speak on expanding access to mental health care. we're also closely watching the federal courthouse in washington, d.c. and we're just learning the grand jury hearing evidence in jack smith's election interference probe has not met so far today. why is that? it's been exactly one week since the former president announced he was a target in the investigation, but he's not letting that threat of a potential indictment keep him from the campaign trail where he is right now and where he's headed. we'll fill you in. we've got news on an interview between former doj official richard donohue and prosecutors from jack smith's office. you might remember donohue's testimony last year where he described donald trump's push to declare the organization as corrupt. what donohue may have told the jack smith. and this. nbc news confirmed former nypd
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commissioner bernie kerik turned over thousands of documents to smith's office on sunday. how soon his attorney says he's expected to sit down with prosecutors to discuss those documents and what it could mean for a potential indictment timeline. we are covering every angle with our reporters and experts including nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. let's start with yasmin vossoughian outside the d.c. courtroom. we know the grand jury meets tuesdays and thursdays, but not today. do we know why? >> we don't. we have all been trying to kind of figure that out. you mentioned those thousands of pages of documents handed over by bernie kerik that broke on the air yesterday. maybe it's because of that. maybe, in fact, it's not a delay at all and the plan is thursday. we're listening as to when this
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thing is actually going to drop. we we do know is they haven't met so far. the latest the grand jury convened is 12:30 eastern dime. right now it's around 3:01. the assumption is they won't be meeting today. then we're going to look ahead. you mentioned earlier, tuesdays and thursdays is when they're normally convened. what would typically happen on thursday if, in fact, that was the day in which the grand jury that we're watching -- one grand jury did convene today, just not the one we're focused on. if they were to convene on thursday it would be between 8:30 a.m. and 12:00 in the afternoon or so. 23 members of the grand jury's 16-4 forum. 12 or more would have to vote in favor after an indictment. all these ifs. you have to keep that in mind. if they're to vote in favor of this indictment, then that indictment would be walked down to the magistrate court. it would have to be opened in
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the magistrate course in which it would then be revealed who the subject of the indictment is. we'd see the initials for donald j. trump or donald trump or any co-defendants. then it's the question of when this thing will be unsealed. we had a lot of discussion following the florida indictments, when that would be unsealed. we think it is likely, if we follow the florida timeline it would be unsealed the day after the indictment is delivered. although there's no reason for them not to unseal it immediately. there's lots of thes, lots of puts and lots of watching as we await what's happening behind the courthouse. we're looking towards now, ana, thursday. >> trying to read the tea leaves. could happen then, could happen before then. ken, we know some of the witnesses, some of the evidence that is before the spouse. what do we know about richard donohue's contact specifically with jack smith's office?
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will he be called in to testify? >> it's not clear whether they'll need him before the grand jury. richard donohue told our colleague jonathan dienst was interviewed the special counsel. he was one of the star witnesses on day five of the january 6th committee hearings where he and colleagues laid out essentially a plot to subvert the justice department, to use the justice department to claim there was fraud when there was not fraud and to get states to go into special session and rely on slates of false electors. there was a letter drafted by jeffrey clark who is under investigation. his phone has been seized by investigators. he was a lower level official at the department. he dropped a letter that he wanted the justice department to send out saying they had observed fraud in this election. this particular letter was to georgia. there are others, if we were to
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go out to other states, urging georgia legislature to go into special session. donohue was one to say absolutely not. they were in meetings with president trump where they said this is bananas. here's the thing. that didn't succeed. at the end of the day former president trump didn't pull the trigger, didn't try to fire all the top justice officials. he realized that would have been a disaster. he didn't go forward with it. there's a question as to whether that will be part of this case, that whole episode. but donohue is a key witness. >> we heard from donohue's testimony before the committee that he's the type of official who took handwritten notes of everything happening. i do want to play a clip of some of what he told lawmakers and the american people last year. let's listen. >> let's take a look at another one of your notes. you also noted that mr. rosen
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said to mr. trump, quote, doj can't and won't snap its fingers and change the outcome of the election. how did the president respond to that, sir? >> he responded very quickly and said, essentially, that's not what i'm asking you to do. what i'm asking you to do is say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. >> ken, explain the significance of that and why that makes him such an important witness? >> that to me was the most dangerous episode of the whole affair. if the justice department had gone forward with that plan, it would have thrown the nation into chaos. that would have been the ultimate sort of question mark about whether the election was legitimate. these were donald trump's appointees, let's not forget. richard donohue and others stood up to him and said no, they wouldn't do that. that was a crucial moment in our democracy. whether it becomes part of this criminal case we expect will be filed soon remains to be seen.
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>> vaughn, trump is on the campaign trail amid all of this. where is he headed? >> reporter: landing here in new orleans in about 90 minutes, at the home of a major real estate developer in louisiana, a private fund-raiser. we should expect to see him get off his planes and then take back off for new jersey tonight. for donald trump, there's nothing about running away from the legal peril that he faces. he's going to be in iowa on friday. he's going to then make his way to erie, pennsylvania on saturday for a campaign rally while other campaigns having conversations around finances and resetting of their campaigns, whether they'll be annual to make the debate stage, while they're frankly begging donors to get one dollar to meet that $40,000 threshold. his former vice president hasn't even qualified for the debate. donald trump is in a league of his own.
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there are no questions around fund-raising, but also sending out mass email appeals telling his supporters that the stakes of this are potentially going to prison for the rest of his life. they're seeing the returns, ana. for donald trump this is as much a political as it is a legal one. >> thank you, friends. let's talk to someone who has deep knowledge of the potential evidence the special counsel may have. tim heaphy is the former lead investigator for the january 6th house select committee. tim, you are a valuable resource to all of us as we try to figure out where things are headed. we're seeing a lot of familiar faces from the house january 6th investigation cropping up this week with jack smith's team. the target letter went out, but still no indictment, not yet at least. what are you watching for? >> it seems imminent, but jack smith is a thorough and careful guy. he's going to talk to absolutely
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everyone he thinks has relevant information, and that takes time. not surprised at all he reached out to rich ddonohue. he was a very important witness for the select committee. he's told the same story to our committee. he was a truth teller who rebutted directly to the president his baseless theories of election fraud. he pushed hard against personnel change. he's a significant witness to several parts of this multi-part plan that the committee developed, all intended to disrupt the joint session. look, it seems coming, an indictment is imminent. it's hard to tell exactly when it's going to drop. >> if and when it happens, what will you be searching for in the documents themselves and the potential evidence that's there or not there? >> look, i think the special counsel likely has gone beyond
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the evidence that the select committee dwochlts he has the ability to get immediate rulings on privilege assertions from the chief judge of the d.c. district court. we didn't have that ability. he has the leverage of the looming possibility of criminal charges that he may be using to negotiate plea agreements or cooperation agreements with people. he has a lot more tools at his disposal that are just not available in a congressional oversight process. my expectation is that he's taken sort of the foundation that the select committee laid in our investigation and has likely gone beyond it and developed some additional evidence. the indictment, i'd be curious to see how detailed it is. it probably will be some sort of speaking indictment much like the mar-a-lago matter. interesting to see who is included. this is not just the former president. this is a conspiracy case, and what are the specific offenses. a lot of potential federal crimes apply. it will be interesting to see which he chooses if he does
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return an indictment. >> just when you look at the whole web of other legal proceedings donald trump is facing, amidst all of this -- frankly, it's hard too kind with it all. he's the center of many different investigations and many different trials on his schedule already. he's already been indicted in a couple. how does this particular case stack up in your mind? is this one different? does it hold more weight than, say, classified documents or hush money allegations? >> that's a pretty subjective question. personally i think the victim of this offense is democracy or is america. these are acts, as alleged, that threatened the peaceful transfer of power. that is a much more serious matter than some of the other issues he's facing. they're all serious, ana. they're all obviously very important and unprecedented.
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i think the january 6th case, based on the facts developed in that indictment, would be the most explosive and most significant. >> you talk about the facts, given the weight of this, who it involves and the potential impact on this country, i have to think jack smith wouldn't get to this point if he wasn't 1,000 percent confident in his case. from your experience, from the criminal statutes laid out in the target letter from the people that we know from trump's circle who have given testimony and evidence to the special counsel, how hard is this case to prove beyond a reasonable doubt? >> impossible to say. no lawyer who has been in a courtroom will ever give you a prediction or a numerical degree of certainty. i will say that the select committee reached a point at the end of our investigation that we believed there was very strong
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evidence of the president's specific event to disrupt the joint session enough to constitute violation of several criminal statutes. as i said before, the special counsel has likely gone beyond that in terms of factual development, and my expectation has only found corroborative evidence. jack smith is a seasoned public integrity prosecutor. he's used to these cases and i'm certain he will be careful and meticulous before making a prosecutorial decision. if an indictment comes, it will be a sign that he and others in the department of justice believe the evidence is more than sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the offenses charged. >> tim heaphy, thank you for your perspective and insights. good to have you here. >> thank you. lebron james' son bronny collapsed during a workout at usc. what his family is saying now. 25-year-old carlee russell
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series of congressional investigations in the republican-led house that have targeted president biden, his administration and his son hunter. they come as the speaker faces increasing pressure by hard line conservatives in his conference and former president trump to take further action. nbc's sahil kapur is joining us on capitol hill. is a sahil, last month mccarthy was trying to halt a floor vote on impeachment of the president. what's different now? >> reporter: house republicans are certainly trending toward an impeachment inquiry into president biden. that's how it sounds from speaker mccarthy's latest comments. this fits a familiar pattern. mccarthy gets pressure from his hard line conservatives on his right. he initially resists. then the pressure builds and he ultimately gives in. we saw this play out on a number of legislative battles, and in the speaker's race which is how
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he got the job in the first place. mccarthy talked about an inquiry as simply gathering facts, gathering information before they make any decision about whether to proceed beyond that. let's have a listen to what mccarthy told reporters earlier today. >> you understand mat impeachment inquiry is. it's not impeachment. it allows congress to investigate by giving congress the full power to get the information they need. it's the way people should go about investigating. so put yourselves in our place, doesn't matter who the individual is or not. >> reporter: he made the very clear, unequivocal prediction that, quote, at the end of the day he will be impeached. it's not hard to decipher where the ultra conservative wing of the party sees this going. >> but impeached for what? >> reporter: the investigations the house republicans have been conducting are at the heart of this. they largely focus on the president's son hunter biden.
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they heard from irs whistle-blowers who made insinuations there was improper activity. they talked about payments with foreign companies that hunter biden has been entangled in. nobody has provided evidence that the president was directly involved or acted i'm professor pearly as part of all this, but that's part of where house republicans seem to be digging further. >> dnc chair jaime harrison says this is about doing donald trump's bidding, as trump is in the middle of his own legal firestorm right now. this is what he says, quote. it's clear donald trump is the real speaker of the house. he's made sure the house majority is little more than an arm of his 2024 campaign. sahil, is that what's going on here? >> that's certainly how democrats are hearing it. we're hearing more of that argument. ana, as a factual matter, it's not in doubt that house republicans have used significant amounts of power in defense of trump, largely after venging what they perceive as slights against him.
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they've thrown some of his most prominent democratic critics off the intelligence committee. they've targeted law enforcement entities who have investigating and/or charged donald trump with crimes. they created this weaponization panel about a federal government run amuck that has been improperly used against him. now they're proposed to expunge his two impeachments. there's strong support within the house republican conference. >> sahil kapur, thank you very much so for your reporting. coming up, what the new war on terror looks africa. first, a health scare for the son of lebron james. what happened to bronny james and what it could mean for his future on the basketball court. s future on the basketball court
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to the east room of the white house and president biden speaking on mental health and what he says will have a huge impact on millions of americans. >> -- for working to improve insurance coverage for mental health care in america. folks, you know, i don't know what the difference between breaking your arm and having a mental breakdown is. it's health. there's no distinction. it's health. vivek murthy, our surgeon general, and i talk about this issue a lot. in the last two state of the union addresses i laid out what i call the unity agenda. it's made up of four big things that we're going to do together as a nation. one of the things i'm always asked is why americans have sort of lost faith for a while on being able to do big things. if you can do anything at all, joe, what would you do?
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i said i'd cure cancer. why cancer? because nobody thinks we can. that's why, because we can. deliver on our sacred obligations to veterans is the second thing is improve care to veterans. third beat the opioid epidemic and fourth is to tackle the mental health crisis which is why we're here today. we can all agree mental health care is health care. it is health care. it's essential to people's well-being and their ability to lead a full and productive life, to find joy, to find purpose, to take care of themselves and their loved ones it's about dignity. think about this. my dad used to have an expression. everyone is entitled to be treated with dig tichlt imagine being a parent looking at your beautiful child that you adore needing help and know you can't do the damn thing about it. talk about stripping a parent of their dignity, their inability
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to help their child or their husband or their wife or their mother or father or someone they adore. right now for millions of americans, mental health care and treatment for substance abuse is out of reach. in 2020, less than half of all adults with mental illness diagnosis receive care for it, less than half. for children, the numbers are even worse. nearly 70% of our kids who seek care for mental health or addiction cannot get it. 70%. talk to parents and teachers. talk to the school nurses and cannes lors, talk to young people. they'll tell you there's a serious youth mental health crisis happening right now in this country. we must fulfill the promise of true mental health parity for all americans. now, now.
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[ applause ] i might note parenthetically, if we do, it saves the country billions of dollars. it saves! here is what it means. almost 15 years ago the bipartisan mental health parenting addiction equity act became law. we called for health insurance companies to cover mental health care and treatment for sur stance abuse at the same levels of physical health care because just like when you break a bone or have a heart attack, when you're having a mental health crisis, you should be able to get help, medical help, professional help. during the obama/biden administration we worked hard to put this law into effect. the result by some important measures, there is greater parity today than in the past. look, there's lower co-pays for mental health care, getting rid of some arbitrary limits on the number of times you can see your
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therapist each year. plus, the first time ever, the affordable care act made mental health care an essential service which means many health plans must cover it. these are important steps but they weren't enough. we're still not where we need to be. we're still not there. insurers still make it far too difficult to get mental health care. there are networks of providers badly inadequate with far fewer psychiatrists, therapists and mental health professionals compared to all other medical specialties. as a result, even with private insurance, patients are often forced to seek out-of-network care at significantly higher costs if they can find it. seeing a therapist can cost 200 bucks a visit or more. that's $800 a month if you have a session every week which is often what patients need. many families, significant number of families cannot afford
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that. by the way, think about -- think about just how difficult it is it is to begin with to say i need help. you break your arm, you have no trouble going to the emergency room, i need help. you're having a mental crisis. it's hard to say i need help, i need help, my child needs help. this is happening to millions of people. people with insurance are twice as likely to have to go out of network for mental health care compared to physical health care. that gap has only gotten wider. as a result, folks with depression, anxiety, post-traumatic stress, bipolar disorders, eating disorders, addiction and other illnesses often go without care, period. you know how that ends many times. they try to power through and hope they can manage on their own, or they pay whatever it takes, spending down their savings, racking up credit card
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bills or taking out second or third mortgages to get the care for themselves and their children. folks, it shouldn't be this way. it doesn't need to be this way. i've heard from mental health professionals across the country describing a system that's falling short. one therapist wrote me who primarily treats teenagers including some who are having suicidal thoughts. he says when his patients need to be hospitalized to save their lives, insurance companies often deny the claims, often deny the claims. another clinical psychologist wrote me and described getting calls from desperate people who have called 20 different therapists looking for help and can't find it. this therapist says, and i quote, i try to create time that i don't have to see more patients, end of quote. i'm often the only person, he went on to say, who is able to call them back. they never even get calls most of the time.
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i personally received letters from family members whose loved ones are suffering from mental illness who describe how difficult it can be to find help. one woman wrote to tell me about her mother. too often insurance companies dictate the standard of care when it actually needs to be care providers and family members who have more to say. she went on to say please advocate hard for the most vulnerable among us. that's exactly what my administration is trying to do. today my administration is announcing new steps to dramatically expand access to mental health care in america. our plans will require health insurance plans to identify gaps in the mental health care they provide. for example, identify how many mental health care providers are in their network, how much they eyer paying them, how difficult it is to join the network, how often doctors need prior
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authorization before they can treat a patient. some have dealt with this more than once. you get referrals to see mental health specialists, but when you make the appointment, they say, i can't see you until your doctor submits the paperwork and gets special permission from the insurance company. give me a break. it's ridiculous. [ applause ] it really is. it's ridiculous. it prevents people from getting the care they need. now insurance company have to measure how often they require prior authorization and how often they deny those requests. right now many health plans don't collect data. under my administration's new plan they would be required to collect that data. [ applause ] under the existing law, facts reveal mental health care is not
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being treated on par with physical health care, they would be required by law to fix it. fix it, fix it, fix it. [ applause ] there's something else we're announcing today. when the mental health priority act was passed 15 years ago, there was a hoop hole. health plans offered to local state and government employees did not have to comply with the mental health parity act. more than 200 health plans nationwide were left out. now we're making it clear they have to follow the law as well. they must follow the law as well. okay. you've been listening in to president biden talking about tackling the mental health crisis in america and cracking down on insurance companies when it comes to mental health coverage. we'll continue to monitor and bring you additional highlights. let's bring in nbc news white
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house correspondent mike memoli. mike, talk to us about what went into this announcement today. >> reporter: what the president is doing today is trying to put real teeth into bipartisan legislation passed a few years ago to try to, as the president was laying out, narrow the gap in terms of coverage for physical health and mental health. the issue really the president is single in on here is that a lot of providers, private insurance providers often require those who are seeking mental health to go out of network. i think all of us understand this is what it means when your insurer tells you you have to go out of network. that likely means more limited access. it certainly means higher expenses. when you see these kinds of higher expenses, often a r people decide not to get the treatment at all because they can't afford it. according to the white house, one in five adults in this country have had some sort of mental health issue that requires treatment. fewer than half of those individuals are getting the care they need. the president today is calling on insurers to re-evaluate their networks to make sure there's more access to mental health
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within network. he's also closing a loophole that makes it harder for state and local government employees to get access to help that federal employees get. the president invoked the pandemic. i think the idea and this issue surrounding mental health has been given much more resonance and attention because of the scarring effects that many americans have felt since the pandemic. also, as the president was talking there, he was not just dealing with the issue of access to health treatment for mental health. he was also talking about the stigma of mental health, how difficult it is for people to even admit they have a problem that needs to be treated. all of this, ana, is falling under the umbrella of what the president has called his unity agenda. things that at a very partisan time in our politics should have bipartisan appeal and solutions in order to get them done. this is a significant one as he outlined in the state of the union address earlier this year. >> mike, thank you. joining us the chief medical officer with the national
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alliance on mental illness, dr. ken duckworth. doctor, one in five adults, 58 million people live with a mental illness according to the national institute of mental health. what's your reaction to the president's announcement and the impact? >> this is a tremendous development in the ongoing conversation about making mental health a true part of health. parity means to make equal. that's the root of the word. the idea is when you have a mental health vulnerability or your family member does, that's the same as a so-called physical illness. the brain is part of the body. these additional steps will continue to press health insurance companies to attend to this critical human need. >> so the data shows that people with insurance still face higher costs, more barriers to get the help for mental health needs, and they have coverage too often denied, at least de need at much higher rates compared to getting
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care for physical ailments. why is that? why is there a disparity? >> there's probably a lot of reasons. one of them is we know half of psychiatrists take no insurance at all in america. that gets back to payment structures which is directly related to what the health insurance companies are paying psychiatrists. there's also a shortage of mental health practitioners. i think it's critical to let people into the network, provide the conditions where they want to take the health insurance payment so people have access to the mental health care that may be lifesaving for them and their families. >> so important. dr. ken duckworth, thank you very much for offering your perspective and insights. >> thank you. to some developing news, bronny james, the son of nba icon lebron james, collapsed monday morning while practicing at the university of southern california where he intends to play basketball next season. he's only 18 right now. his family tells us he suffered
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a cardiac arrest. he was rushed to the hospital, and initially admitted to the icu. he is now in stable condition. joining us now is msnbc medical contributor dr. vin gupta who consults with major sports teams including the seattle seahawks and the mariners. doctor, bronny james is so young, only 18 years old. how surprising is this for someone his age? >> ana, it's very rare. thank you for platforming this. few athletes experience this, sudden cardiac death. i should note for your audience there's a lot we don't know that's been made public. we don't know if bronny lost his pulse and underwent true cardiac arrest. like in the case of damar hamlin, did he get shocks and defibrillation because he was experiencing arrhythmia.
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we don't know the facts. the fact is that he went in and less than 24 hours was discharged from the icu, suggests this was probably an arrhythmia, his heart beating in an abnormal way that caused this event to occur. critical details are lacking. >> what could make him susceptible or anyone susceptible in his shoes to something like this? >> glad you asked that. i think we have a figure here of what is the most common cause of this in young athletes. it's called hyper troef fik cardiomyopathy. the enlarged heart there where it says apex there, you see the left ventricle there, the part of the heart, that muscle that in this case is very enlarged. blood actually has difficulty leaving the heart and going to the major blood vessels of the body, whereas if you look at cha chamber in the lower heart it's smaller, blood can move in and out.
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it's the obstruction to blood movement that often causes young athletes otherwise healthy to suddenly collapse. there are other causes as well. i know we don't have a ton of time here. i'll transition to another graphic for your viewers here. what should you be on the lookout for, let's say if you're a parent with young athletes at home. really dive into your family history. is there anybody in your family that's had a heart attack at a young age? are there conditions like marfan syndrome, genetic diseases that might cause abnormalities in how organs develop. does your son or daughter if they're playing soccer or any type of athletic sport, are they experiencing chest pain? have they had a murmur identified throughout their exams when they were a child? just some of the basic questions you need to go through. any parent out there of a child, ask these questions, especially if they're playing competitive sports in their youth, because we can prevent this. >> so lebron, he has spoken about hoping to play with his son in the pros.
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there's speculation that's why he didn't retire yet. what are the risks for bronny going forward? do you expect he can bounce back 100% and be able to play professionally down the road? >> i do. the fact he had -- just like damar, a quick in-and-out from the icu, a great sign for a full recovery. the question here is what happened? my sources at the nba suggest -- tell me he had a full heart scan done less than two months ago. that it was totally normal. an echocardiogram of his heart, totally normal. the hyper trophic cardiomyopathy, probe not the cause. perhaps more likely arrhythmia, recognizing we're speculating. we'll need to know for bronny's long-term ability to play at a competitive level, we'll need to know what happened. probably will have to have a hole ter monitor, is his heart prone to these arrhythmias and
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we can treat that. >> we certainly wish him a speedy and full recovery. dr. vin gupta, thank you for sharing that additional information and context and things for parents to look out for. really perhaps lifesaving information. coming up, the kidnapping that never happened. what investigators say may come next for the alabama woman who called 911 saying she saw a toddler on the side of a highway before she disappeared. highway before she dapispeared from prom dresses to workouts and new adventures you hope the more you give the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination.
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welcome back. an alabama woman whose mysterious disappearance captivated the nation now admits she made the whole thing up. a lawyer for carlee russell says she lied about being kidnapped after she claimed she pulled over to help a toddler walking alone on a busy highway. police say all of it was a hoax. nbc's sam brock has more on russell's confession and apology. >> what a resolution in what was supposed to be a meeting between her attorney and investigators on monday, it turned into an email exchange and admission on her behalf that the entire thing was a lie. the questions remaining now, why did she do this and what happened over these two days? a stunning public confession in the mysterious disappearance of carlee russell. >> there was no kid nang. >> reporter: hoover's police chief reading a statement provided by russell's attorney
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on behalf of the 25-year-old nursing student. >> my client did not see a baby on the side of the road. my client did not leave the hoover area. that was a single act done by herself. >> reporter: for days the investigation captured national attention, but skepticism quickly grew when miss were unable to verify her story. >> where do you think she went, and how would you characterize what happened here? >> that's the $100 question. >> reporter: earlier this month russell went missing for just over 48 hours after calling 911 to report a toddler walking alone on the interstate. >> hi, i am on interstate 459, and there's a kid just walking by theirself. >> reporter: in her initial statement russell claimed she was abducted by a man with orange hair and a woman who brought her to a home, forced her to undress and took nude photos of her. throughout the investigation, police say they found no evidence of an abandoned toddler, also internet searches
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of what's the cost of an amber alert, one way bus ticket. >> my client apologizes for actions to this community. we ask for your prayers for carlee as she attempts to move forward understanding she made a mistake in this matter. >> reporter: no charges have been filed in this case so far. police in hoover say they're in active county conversations with the jefferson county district attorney's office about possible criminal charges. russell's boyfriend posted on facebook he was blindsided by this false narrative and the entire family was only acting out of love and general concern and how they're, quote, disgusted about the entire outcome of the situation. now sam brock for that reporting. and now let's bring in nbc legal analyst danny cevallos. i guess the big question now is are there going to be consequences? do you think carlee russell will
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face charges? >> that's a potential jail sentence up to a year. but of course if federal authorities were involved you also have false statements under federal law. this statute has become very popular during the trump administration and only requires an unsworn false statement to investigator that could qualify. there are potential charges if there were federal authorities involved to what degree or what extent they may have received a false statement. more likely this will fall under alabama jurisdiction, which has its own law as to these false statements. and really it ultimately comes down to a charging decision by prosecutors. is this the kind of defendant that would be worthy of prosecuting if, for example, there may be mental health issues or other reasons why the government should show her mercy? it's really ultimately the d.a. or prosecutor's call. >> duds an apology or admission help her case?
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>> if only apologies helped in all criminal cases. i will say hiring an attorney, getting out in front of this and dealing the issue relatively soon after, she has positioned herself as best as possible for leniency from the d.a. but, look, sometimes d.a.s take a look at the resources expended, and frankly you can't blame them. they may take it personally they may feel like they were victims of a hoax and may decide to prosecute and think that's thin the best interest of the state of alabama. >> the hoover police chief in this case described it as an all hands on deck effort as they were searching for her and as, you know, they were investigating the claims that she made in that 911 call. could she be liable for the resources and the amount of money that was behinds all those resources? >> possibly civilly liable. but more likely the d.a. takes that into consideration. when you think about it if this
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was all hands on deck that means the dollar amounts in just daily pay of all these law enforcement individuals, that's a lot of money and resources that could have been expended somewhere else in the state of alabama. in a way it's not too crazy to analogize this as taking away that money from the people of alabama because that money was wasted ostensibly on a search that was never required. >> wow, such a shame. thank you. still ahead a new kind of war on terror being fought inside west africa. what our reporters saw and heard on the ground. on the ground. til, i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it! only takes a minute. look at that! the heavy duty cloths are extra thick, for amazing trap & lock. even for his hair. wow. and for dust, i love my heavy duty duster. the fluffy fibers trap dust on contact, up high and all around without having to lift a thing.
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receiving medical care in germany. officials are not saying the extent of his injuries and a spokesperson saying reed was not engaged in activities on behalf of the u.s. government. reed had been wrongfully detained in mus cow for three years before his release rast year. he was released in a prisoner exchange for a russian drug trafficker. now to the front lines of a new and urgent war on terror. in west africa. nbc news got this expensive look as u.s. special forces got training. this comes as two competing terror groups are creating new security concerns for soldiers and civilians caught in the cross hairs. joining us now from niger with her exclusive reporting is courtney kube. this is the new war on terror. what does this threat look like exactly, and what role is the
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u.s. military playing to defeat it? >> reporter: so it's exactly what you just described, ana. that's two terror networks converging on this area. one an al-qaeda affiliate, one an isis affiliate, and they're moving in on this area because many of the borders are pretty porous around here. they can move with somewhat impunity. and they don't have a lot of money and basic services. when these terror networks come into these areas they either force the people there to flee their homes or join up with them. we had a rare opportunity to look at the u.s. military special operations forces training the nigerian military here learning to go out and hunt these terrorists. the nigerian military hunts them at night. the u.s. operation stays behind on their forward bases, forward
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locations but support them by the air. they have drones overhead, gps monitoring systems. they're able to track the nigerian military while out on these missions so if they have any trouble they can call in and try and get help from afar. >> courtney, what more can you tell us about the tactics that these terror groups are using there in the region? and what is the threat to civilians? >> reporter: so, anna, it's a lot of the same tactics we've been seeing in the middle east and frankly here in africa. the u.s. military is training the nigerian special operators how to find, detect, and disarm these ieds. we saw pof that training in a remote base in a town. in addition to that they're helping them with things like learning how to clear houses when they go on nighttime raids and basic marksmanship. they're helping them with all
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different types of military training and in addition to that providing them with isr or overhead surveillance during their missions. it's something the nigerian military doesn't have enough of. and there's also a french military presence here. the u.s. is also training them with some of that medical training, the kinds of things they might need on the battlefield, anna. >> fascinating reporting. what a great insight and look that you give us. thank you so much, courtny cuby. and you can catch more from the front lines tonight on nbc "nightly news." that's going to do it for us today. i'm back tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. thanks so much for joining us. "deadline white house" starts right now. hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. it's right there plain as day cutting right to the heart of donald trump's pattern of
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