next week. for now we'll have fun with the u.s. fans. >> and maybe not the result they wanted, but it felt like a win. molly hunter, thank you for that. and we have a lot to cover in our second hour of chris jansing reports. let's get right to it. at this hour, breaking news, former president trump's lawyers meeting with the special counsel's office today on the same day that the grand jury gaer gathers in d.c. plus the emotional flee from the family of an american soldier who bolted to north korea. why travis king's family says there is more to his story than anyone can imagine, that from our exclusive interview. and also ahead from gubernatorial candidate to kikts convicted right orbiter,

admitting that he climbed steps, skrafl and helped others in the mob. and in niger, the president imprisoned but declaring that democracy will prevail. and our reporters are following the latest developments. and we begin in washington with those new comments from former president trump about the meeting today between his lawyers and the special counsel's office. yasmin vossoughian is joining us. what did the former president have to say? >> reporter: former president trump putting a tweet out -- i should say a post on truth social saying my attorneys had productive meeting with the doj explaining that i did nothing wrong, was advised by many lawyers and that an indictment would only further destroy our country. no indication of notice was given during the meeting and then he went on to disparage the press in that post as well.

let me just say they are not required to inform the former president's attorneys that an indictment is incoming. what we know so far, the u.s. marshals meeting with metro and park police outside of the courthouse, whether or not they were preparing for security preparations, we don't necessarily know. but certainly interesting to see amidst the timing of all this as we await to see what is happening. we know of course grand jury that we're focused on convening inside the building behind me as you mentioned, former president's attorneys meeting with special counsel as well. so what will happen later on this afternoon. from what we understand, magistrate judge would likely sit around 4:00 p.m. or so later in the afternoon. if in fact they do vote on an indictment today and they return an indictment, that indictment needs to be opened with the

magistrate judge. and we would then know if the subject of that indictment is djt or donald trump. that is usually the fashion. of course we're talking about a former president of the united states. and a third possible indictment here as well. so all could go in a different direction. but it is only really a waiting game at this point as we try and figure out what is going on in that courtroom behind me. >> yasmin vossoughian, thank you. and now to our exclusive interview with the family of travis king, the american soldier held in north korea after bolting at the dmz. matt bradley is reporting. what did the family have to say? >> reporter: they expressed how baffled they were at the behavior of this young man who by their account liked to read the bible, he was kind of withdrawn and very quiet, he rarely smoked or drank. and yet here they see him

getting involved in assaults in seoul and of course darting across the border into north korea. the kind of behavior that would be surprising for even the most troubled of youth. but they also expressed some frustration with the military for not preventing this from happening and not getting him back as soon as they would like. heremily speaking to nbc news. >> feel like he shouldn't have been at that border in the first place. s who they should have made sure that he was on that plane. >> why would he want to run to our enemies. who they should ha that he was on that plane. >> why would he want to run to our enemies.who they should hav that he was on that plane. >> why would he want to run to our enemies. deeper than what i can imagine. i feel like deep down in my heart, my brother was afraid of something. because why would he run, you know. what was his point if he was coming home. >> reporter: i've been speaking to some experts who have dealt with negotiations with the north koreans in the past and they

said that, you know, the fact that we haven't heard from travis king or from the north koreans even acknowledging that they have custody of private king shouldn't be too surprising because the fact is that if a north korean soldier crossed the border from mexico into the united states, he would be interrogated and detained by the u.s. and that process he says could take weeks or months. so we need to be patient. and he was cautioning, this one expert i was speaking to, that the wrong thing do here is for american officials to start pounding their chest and demanding that they get travis king back. that he said could really backfire. >> matt bradley, thank you. and now to the guilty plea today from a one time gubernatorial candidate who was at the capitol on january 6. justice reporter ryan riley is in washington, d.c. for us. ryan, tell us more about what ryan kelly admitted to doing. >> reporter: yeah, ryan kelly is sort of a little unique

obviously because he was wanting to an elected official and he was leading in the gubernatorial race in michigan in fact right after his arrest last june. this case was set to go to trial but that was converted into a plea hearing and he futurely pleaded guilty to one misdemeanor. what happened is that he didn't actually enter into the capitol building. usually that means unless you committed an act of violence or there is some other factor in your actions, you are not usually gets charged. but ultimately he was charged because there is video of him directly participating in sort of the unrest on the western side of the capitol. he was wearing sunglasses and urging people up the stairs, waving them toward the capitol building, supporting another individual he admitted who was ripping down one of the police barricades. ultimately pleaded guilty here on the day that we're all sort of waiting here in court for some news potentially on the trump indictment.

so interesting to see another maga politician ultimately have their day in court with sentencing set for october 17th three months from now. >> ryan riley, thank you for that. and we move overseas now to niger where a military coup is unfolding. and courtney kube is in niger and courtney, what is the latest on the situation there? >> reporter: well, it is day two since there is what seems to be a coup of the democratically elected president here by some members of his military. you will recall it started yesterday this morning when some of his presidential guards services took him and his wife into custody. they detained him at their own residence. as far as we know according to the u.s. officials, it seems that they are still there but that is not even clear now. fast forward to late last night, several members of the military across different services appeared on state run tv here

saying that they had ousted the president and they were in charge before as part of that, they have completely dissolved the constitution. they have closed the borders to this country and they have shut down the air space. no flights are going in or out for at least another week or so. and so yesterday there were protests because of all that, and today we saw bigger protests. there were vehicles that were set on fire, quite a number of them actually, outside of the ruling party's headquarters in the streets. and we saw a lot of people, i mean hard to tell, but it looked like there were several hundred maybe even 1,000 people at one point protesting out there. and unlike yesterday, they seemed more fired up than what we saw yesterday. and so we're getting ready for sundown here. there is another curfew in effect for this evening. and right now we're just waiting to see what happens overnight tonight. and we're waiting to see if there is some acknowledgement of who is running the country. >> keep us posted, thank you. and new fallout surrounding

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happening where most of the information that we're getting is coming from trump's side of the equation. prosecutors don't talk about when they plan to indict a case. that is part of the secrecy of the grand jury process. and so the back and forth we're seeing is largely animated by a party, the former president, who may soon be a defendant who has a lot of self interests in what information he reveals. the way it works is that prosecutors aren't required to give defendants a head's up before they seek an indictment from a grand jury. the reasons for that are obvious. there are some cases where you don't want a defendant to know it is coming. they might be a flight risk or danger to the community. but there is often a practice in white collar cases to talk with the defendant's lawyer in advance of indictment, sometimes that can lead to a last minute deal. very unlikely with the former president. other times you want to make the opportunity for that individual

to surrender voluntarily once they are indicted. or even as there has been a lot of talk today to give that defendant's lawyer as last ditch chance to make their case for why their client shouldn't be indicted before prosecutors proceed. >> so let's talk about the fallout of the collapse of hunter biden's plea deal. republican chair says he is pushing ahead with his probe. take a listen. >> doesn't impact my investigation because the department of justice haven't done a darn thing to help me. what i've tried to say, and i know this is confusing, there are two investigations. there is the crime which house oversight is investigating and then there is the coverup which is multitude of committees are involved in. the coverup is the doj giving him a sweetheart plea deal. >> and that is the phrase we keep hearing. sweetheart plea deal.

did the fact that this got delayed just hand republicans another political talking point? >> i think it did because it is not a finished completed issue. hunter biden will go through whatever process his lawyers recommend that he engage in. and that process will move forward. there will be some conversations with the judge and we'll see how that turns out. but in the meantime, you know, republicans are pretty intent upon trying to use this against the president. the talk about any potential coverup, was he on the phone with his son to try to help him get some sweetheart financial deals of his own while he was vice president under president obama. so the republicans will continue to probe this. it will hang over the president for quite some time until it is a done deal. but the reality is even if some

kind of compromise is made between hunter biden and his investigation, you can imagine that the republicans are going to hold on to this well through the election. >> and even if there is a deal, joyce, that is not the end of it. it came up in court that hunter biden is still under investigation for other matters. the "new york times" reports that from the start, the judge seemed highly skeptical of the unusual deal which offered hunter biden broad immunity from prosecution in perpetuity. questioning why it had been filed under a provision that gave her no legal authority to reject it. was the judge right to question the plea deal? how unusual or usual is such broad immunity? >> what the judge did yesterday and she was absolutely correct do it, she came to a point where she realized it wasn't a knowing plea on biden's part in the sense that the terms of the deal

were not clear. prosecutors and hunter biden's counsel and hunter biden himself seemed to have a difference of opinion on what exactly the scope of the immunity offered in the plea agreement was. so she was correct to stop the proceedings to give them team to sort it out. typically when a defendant pleads guilty and the federal rule of criminal procedure 11 is very clear on this, prosecutors are entitled at the time a defendant enters into a plea agreement to say that they will not bring certain types of charges. and those are typically charges related to the conduct that they are investigating. so if i'm looking at a group of folks that are dealing in drugs at the time that we work out plea agreement, i might say and i won't charge you anything else about these ten drug deals that we know about. but if i find out six months down the road that you were involved in a murder, i'm free to charge you with that conduct. and so that is typically the basis on which these sorts of deals proceed.

>> joyce, basil, thank you both. today diane feinstein appeared confused during a senate appropriations committee meeting, it happened during a key markup meeting for a budget bill. >> clerk will call the roll. >> senator feinstein. >> pardon me? yeah? i would like to support a yes vote on this. it provides $823 billion, that is an increase of $26 billion for the department of defense. and it funds priorities submitted -- >> just say aye.

okay. aye. >> julie sir kin is on capitol hill for us. put that into context for us. and there have been questions previously about diane fine sign's illnesses. >> reporter: there is a generation of aging lawmakers. dianne feinstein was out for a period of months battling shingles. and i wish i could say that this moment that we saw today was the first that we've seen of this, but it is not. she couldn't answer questions from reporters. she's had a few of these confusing moments. senate officials even going as far as trying to stop reporters from getting an accurate picture of her capabilities and how she is doing mentally as well as. so this was a super awkward moment to put it lightly today

in this commit committee. it happened twice. the first moment where you saw where the chairwoman had to step in and tell her just say aye, you don't need to explain your vote. this is a simple roll call vote. and they were considering other calls as well where she mistakenly appeared to say no on a bill that she meant to vote for. another democratic senator leaning in her ear during that moment and she quickly switched her vote. but it all brings in to question again of the aging lawmakers we have. she is nearly 90 years old. we know that she is not going to seek another term. but she has been facing pressure from her democratic colleagues most namely ro khanna, california representative in the house, who publicly called on her to resign to make room for new generation of leadership in her position, one that she's held for decades. and surely remembered for a legacy of making crucial accomplishments. but now tainted by some of the health issues she's having.

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heatwave driving d.c. temperatures into the triple digits for the first time in seven years. world meteorological association says if the staggering heat keeps up, this july almost certain to be the hottest month ever recorded. right now the ocean off the florida coast is the temperature of an average hot tub. coral reefs are endangered. and farm land is so scorching hey that may is literally bursting into flames. one farmer saying that he lost supplies worth half a million dollars in a spontaneous fire. >> i was devastated. dumbfounded. i was in total disbelief. >> this is because hay spontaneously con busted? >> apparently that is what they at contribute buded it to. hay when it was in the barney felt was totally dry. didn't occur to me that could have happened. you never think that it will happen to you.

>> and guad venegas is live from homestead, florida and almost half the country is in an oven. you are in the agricultural area. talk about the impact there. >> reporter: i should say that we did get a lot of rain yesterday. and it is a little cooler today. and it was cooler yesterday than what we've had these past few weeks. so miami-dade county has about 100,000 workers that work outside, many of them have had to go through the heatwave working outside. we're down in south florida in the homestead area where we have a lot of farm workers that have gotten through the heatwave working from 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. in the sun. and this is as state authorities have been telling floridians to try to stay away from the sun, take breaks in the shade, of course drink water. and they recommending people to

stay in the shade if possible whiles the workers have been out in the sun in 100 degree plus temperatures. and this is what one told me it has been like working in the sun. he says he has to pay for represent, so he has to come out for work even if it is hot. [ speaking in a non-english language ] he says he gets more headache with the heat and his hands hurt a lot more. of course one of the biggest issues working in a field of course is that there is no place for many of them to find shade. i had conversations with other workers and the one symptoms most of them told me they have been having are the headaches. the farm workers association paired up with emory university health experts in 2015 and 2016 and they conducted a study with 200 workers for two years. what they found is that more than 50% of the workers would

arrive to the fields with some type of dehydration, but as many as 80% would be dehydrated after. and they also found that with an increase of 5 degrees, the odds increase by 47% for all of these workers to develop acute kidney injuries. so there is issues with dehydration, with kidneys and other effects from working in this heat. and of course we know that the heat index this year has gone up to 105 here in florida. >> thank you for that. and so what we just heard, that is why the president made the statements earlier today. and give us the inside could on what the plan is there.could on what the plan is there. >> reporter: the president talked about conversations he's had with mayors for example san antonio and phoenix, just two of the thousands of communities in the u.s. struggling to deal with the extreme temperatures. and he wasn't shy about blaming this on the effects of climate

change. take a listen to a bit most of of -- more of his speech. >> people don't realize for years speech has been -- i didn't even know it either. i knew it was tough, but number one weather-related killer is heat. even those who deny that we're in the midst of a climate crisis can't deny the impact of extreme heat on americans. >> reporter: among the changes that the president announced during the speech, he talked about helping communities deal with the impacts of climate change with the extreme heat that shows no signs of improving. he talked about making sure work workers in high risk environments, like firefighters, construction workers, making sure that they know what rights they have in their workplace. he talked about funding that he signed in to law too go into things like improving national forecasting, improving the infrastructure of water storage facilities.

but also they are dealing with a drought crisis. and he also announced that some federal departments could plant more trees to absorb more of the heat, establishing more cooling centers. and so the president acknowledging that these steps can be made, but he is face criticism to do more, but also working with a congress that with its current makeup has no appetite for climate legislation. so this is definitely an issue to continue watching as we move forward. >> allie raffa, thank you. and a japanese pop star says it was the challenge of his life. his emotional speech revealing he is gay and challenges here at home as anti-lgbtq laws are increasingly the norm. i'll speak to someone with a long history of fighting for the community, next. community, next. y washed all day without heavy perfumes?

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life. now he says he doesn't want people to struggle like he has. japan is a conservative struggle. but this is not unique. here in the u.s. a jaguars coach broke barriers when he came out as gay just last week telling out sports he wants to just live and not feel fear about how people will react. but the fear is real and widespread as anti-lgbtq laws proliferate. joining me now, a new york city council member who has long championed lgbtq rights and was the statewide community liaison. you talk about heartbreak but also heartwarming. to hear him say in 2023 that this has been such a horrible struggle for him, how important are these moments though of representation? >> this is very big and this is what harvey milk talked about

when he implored people to come out because it is so much harder to harbor hate in your heart and stereotypes about people when you know them in your lives, whether takes sibling, an uncle, a child or a pop idol who you look up to. this kind of thing changes hearts and minds and has huge ripple effects across the world. >> but we've seen more than 520 anti-lgbtq laws proposed in states all across the country. according to the trevor project, 41% of lgbtq youth seriously considered attempting suicide in the past year. nearly 1 in 3 lgbtq youth say that their mental health was poor most or always most of the time or always due to anti-lgbtq policies. as this push expands, clearly, let's talk about the real impact on people's lives. >> it has been a very, very

difficult time for the lgbtq community and in particular in the lives of individual people in these states who are suffering. think about the law in florida that governor desantis pushed through which prohibits discussion in schools up until 12th grade. when i was in school, i had a teach who said to the class at one point during our discussions about these issues, it is okay to be gay. those simple words, i credit them with saving my life. >> really. >> during one of the most difficult times in my life. i was 15 years old. to think that mr. l could have been prosecutioned for saying that, it is an outrage and people need to understand how harmful these laws are. >> but there are teachers who are under attack even as we speak. because they are either supportive of gay rights or openly gay themselves. >> that is true.

our teachers are -- we think about the kids who are suffering from these, but also the teachers. the good news is that there has been a tremendous backlash to these laws and i don't believe that they will stand the test of time. and i am hopeful when i look at history, at what we've been through, as a community and how we overcome it and the progress we've made and the progress i know we'll continue to make, i remember in 2009, election night, when obama was elected president in november of 2008, one of the greatest nights of my life that i can remember is also the night that the voters of california cal voted to pass prop 8 which rolled back marriage equality in the state of california. that was a hopeless moment where we really felt like it was going to be decades before we achieved marriage equality. but we achieved it within a few short years.

we had marriage equality in all 50 states. because when we have right on our side, when we have truth on our side and when we fight, we always win. and that is what will happen now. >> i think that it is a lesson for a lot of people out there that simple sentence like it is okay to be gay can have an impact in the way it does. eric, always good to have you on the program. >> thank you. >> thank you for being with us. ron desantis hits the road in iowa after a series of staff shakeups and controversies. can he reboot what was already supposed to be a reboot? plus life, death and cop city. craig melvin will discuss his documentary about the fight over policing. s documentary about the fight over policing ppers in... ...reliability, safety, owner satisfaction, and road-test evaluations... and the results are in. subaru is the 2023 best mainstream automotive brand, according to consumer reports.

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from staff shake ups to controversies to low poll numbers, the question for ron

desantis today, can he reboot the reboot. he is hitting the road in iowa for a two day bus tour and then heading to the annual lincoln day dinner hosted by iowa republicans, ten republican presidential candidates will speak. this tour comes after another staff shakeup, more than 30 40% of his original staff has been filed since the launch in may. joining me now is gabe guttierez and stewart stevens, adviser for the lincoln project and strategist for mitt romney's presidential campaign and author of" it was all a lie how the republican party became donald trump." good to see you both. and so gabe, police company today asked the -- politico asked is he resetting or rewinding. whatis happening with the desantis campaign? >> reporter: that is the big question. certainly the reboot we've been hearing about the last several days, and you said it, 40% of the staff cut.

and this has led to questions about whether his campaign was too bloated. governor desantis was asked about that at an event that just wrapped up. and he is referring to his usual talking points saying how his campaign is trying to focus on the early states here in iowa. many of his supporters say this state is key and today there are several events that is been organized by the super pac that is aligned with governor desantis, never back down. an event is about to get started here in a few minutes here. but he also wrapped up as i said another event a few moments ago, a small event. we've been hearing about how governor desantis' campaign is trying to focus on the more intimate events, more retail politics so to speakintimate. just several dozen voters in this small room, a basement if you will. governor desantis leading off his stump speech by saying that he would get joe biden back to his basement this delaware. he was delivering that line from a basement here in iowa.

so again, governor desantis trying his best to reboot here in this critical early state. remains to be seen whether he will get any traction. but certainly a difficult few days for his campaign. 40% of it now cut. >> stewart, this is not the first time we've heard about a possible reboot, reset to his campaign. is it too late to correct his path in this election or is there still time? >> i think the problem here is ron desantis. what is happening is that people are getting to know ron desantis and see who he really is. and he is a small man running for the biggest job. and that is the problem here. none of the process stuff. doesn't have anything to do with staff .only thing with the staff is they can't fire ron desantis. and there was a model here that lot of big donors and a lot of sort of conservative establishment like the national

review tried to put on ron desantis, a big state governor who would run and win the nomination, maybe the presidency. you had bush, reagan, romney won the nomination. but the problem is that all of those candidates were positive, expansive, optimistic candidates. and ron desantis is angry at the world. angry at the future. mean spirited. and that is what is coming across here. >> let's talk about at least one thing that he does very recently. and it got him attention clearly take a listen. >> i'm aligned with him on fauci and the corruption and health bureaucracies 100% and i think that he's probably said other things that i agree with too. but end of the day, he is more

liberal. very liberal on some. so if you are president, sick him on the fda or cdc if he is willing to serve. >> mike pence was among those who quickly responded, he called kennedy a proceed abortion democrat obviously aiming that at some of the far right voters. what d you make of daes desantis' move there in that. >> these are the stunt casting that the campaign get not when they don't know what else do. you can feel sorry for him, but he shouldn't have anything to do with government. and you know, it is just bad

judgment on the desantis part. >> and so here is a question that lot of people have who obviously don't want duld but donald trump but clear number two, desantis remains above the rest of the pack. if not him, then who?trump but desantis remains above the rest of the pack. if not him, then who? >> i think it will be difficult to beat donald trump for one reason. and that is that donald trump most represents what the republican party wants to be. when donald trump gets indicted and goes up, why? because they believe it is a white victims' party. and what greater proof of victimhood than the deep state indicting you. so i think another candidate could emerge, always possible, but i don't see anyone in the

race now who positioned do that. and i don't see that the market is asking for it. >> stewart, always good to have you. thank you. and meantime federal prosecutors are accusing disgraced ftx founder sam bankman-fried of witness tampering calling on the judge to revoke his bail and lock him up until the fraud trial. morgan brennan is here from cnbc. >> and he was restricted to speak publicly after the prosecutors asked for him to be jailed over allegations of witness tampering. that is an issue by the way raised before. they say that he leaked his former girlfriend and business part they're person at writingses to the new york times. and attempting to discredit their star witness.

they say that there is a campaign with the press that has crossed the line. his attorney says that he has a write to speak to the press saying terms of the bail were not violated. and so in response the u.s. district judge withholding a decision on the request to send him to jail ordering both sides to submit written arguments. wednesday's hearing though marks yet another pretrial stumble. he was released on $250 million bond in december and currently under house arrest in palo alto. tensions escalating to new heights in georgia over what opponents call cop city. it is a controversial plan with a big price tag. $90 million. for a police and fire training

facility in atlanta that has fueled protests and demonstrations for nearly two years. earlier this year, those clashes turned deadly when a protestor was killed by the police. this controversy now at the center of a new nbc documentary out today featuring our very own craig melvin who is here. so happy to see you. >> this is nice. love what you've done with the place. >> thank you very much, i did it myself. look, you went down to atlanta. i've been following this story. i think that it is fascinating. tell me what both sides are telling you. >> it is fascinating because we're talking about race, class, gentrification, about the environment, about the police and we are talking about the policed. and here you have this $90 million facility as you mentioned roughly 80 arks just

acres that is being constructed as we speak. and the tensions have been high. we wanted to spend more than the 3 or 4 minutes we usually do on a story. so this is about a 17 minute documentary. and i went to atlanta and this is just a snapshot of both sides of this complicated argument. >> cop city will never be built! >> we don't want cop city here and we don't want it anywhere. >> police are charging 23 people with domestic terrorism after what police call a coordinated attack. >> this is for police officers, firefighters, emergency medical responders, this is for our safety. >> after a shoot-out near cop city left a protestor dead, and georgia state patrol wounded.

>> they die for this. was it worth it? >> we'll see. >> and that is the mother there of the young man who was killed by police. and police are protesting the facility -- >> not to minimize it, but what is the heart of the argument against this? >> depends on who you talk to. people say that it will have negative consequences for the environment. there are those who have said that it is being built where it is being built because black and brown people live there. and it is not -- they are not putting this in one of the nicer parts of atlanta. this is not going up in buckhead. so there are people who have complained about that. and then folks say that this will further militarize the police. so the reality is, chris, that

so many issues are complicated and nuanced and we don't often get the opportunity to delve into the newness a oig of it. but everyone talked about that we have to have police and law enforcement. the question becomes how do you train them, where do you train them. and so that is what the documentary takes a look at. >> craig melvin, so great to have you here. >> good to be back. >> and be sure to watch this, it is life, death and cop city, fight over the future of policing. you can get it in a bunch of places. nbcnews.com, peacock -- and how long? >> just 16 minutes. in d.c. a grand jury is meeting in trump's election interference probe. a courtroom deputy tells nbc news that there have not been any grand jury returns today and they expect there will be no returns today as we continue to watch for a possible indictment.

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thanks for joining us. good to be with you. we have some breaking news in the trump election interference probe. moments ago, we learned the courtroom deputy said that there have not been any grand jury returns today and they don't expect there to be any. that