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we are back with our second hour of "chris jansing reports," and at this hour, former president donald trump now accused in a plan to delete surveillance footage in the mar-a-lago documents case. the new charges and secret conversations revealed in an updated indictment. plus, the mystery over that classified document trump bragged about on tape to people without a security clearance. he tried to claim it wasn't real but the special counsel says, yes, it was. and now they're charging him for it. a heated moment on the hill, a democratic congresswoman yells your bills are racist, to a republican member of the house, leading to calls to strike her words from the record. how it all started.
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and vice president kamala harris taking on iowa's abortion ban just days after blasting florida's black history curriculum. our reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin with new charges brought against former president trump in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. nbc's ken dilanian is reporting from the justice department, what's in this new indictment, ken? >> this indictment really describes a sorted obstruction of justice conspiracy between the former president of the united states and two lower level employees. now, these are allegations, these men are all presumed innocent, but what it says is that donald trump got a subpoena last june, june of 2022, demanding surveillance footage from mar-a-lago, and he immediately called this new codefendant, carlos de oliveira, who is the property manager at mar-a-lago, and then constituently, walt nauta, the other codefendant, trump's butler makes an unscheduled trip
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to mar-a-lago, and then he is in conversation with mr. de oliveira, and they, according to the indictment, they go and scope out the surveillance cameras and where they are. a couple of days later, according to the indictment, mr. de oliveira is in contact with a fourth person, employee number 4, and he recounts to this person that the boss wants the footage deleted, and tavaras said he doesn't know how to do that, he doesn't think he has the right to do that. de oliveira repeats that the boss wants the footage deleted. after the fbi served its search warrant on mar-a-lago and seized the classified documents, people in the trump orbit were concerned that mr. de oliveira remain loyal to mr. trump, and were asking about his loyalty and were promise to go arrange a lawyer for him. so it doesn't look good, obviously, and mr. de oliveira is charged separately with making false statements about moving boxes, so really
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disturbing allegations in this new indictment. >> ken dilanian, thank you. we've got some breaking news we want to take you live to alabama where charges are being filed against carlee russell. she is the woman who disappeared july 13th after claiming he stopped to help a toddler, and then said she was kidnapped. she later admitted she lied. she's now been arrested. let's take a listen. >> i know many are shocked and appalled that ms. russell is only being charged with two misdemeanors, despite all the panic and disruption her actions caused. let me assure you, i too, share the same frustration, but existing laws only allow the charges that were filed to be filed. i can tell you that i will be contacting our state legislatures on behalf of law enforcement in montgomery and asking them to look at this law applied to these facts and urge them to add an enhancement to current legislation when somebody falsely reports kidnapping or another violent
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crime because the attention this case has garnered, we requested attorney general's office take the case, and they have agreed too. we want to thank everyone who assisted us from the beginning, and continues to assist us in this case as we work its way through the criminal justice system. joining me at the podium today is state of alabama attorney general, steve marshal. >> thank you, chief. let me begin by commending hoover police department, chief durgis for his leadership in this investigation. obviously this captured many's attention as a result of not only the allegations themselves but also the concern about a possible victim and being able to return her home. the work that was done by the hoover police department was monumental in its lift and the results of that work you are seeing come to fruition today with the charges that have been leveed. also want to commend the many other men and women of both state and federal law enforcement for their work,
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collaboratively with the hoover police department in assisting in this investigation. chief, appreciate the opportunity to be able to partner with you in this prosecution. we will dedicate a team to be able to help the city of hoover in handling these two individual charges and look forward to bringing this case to fruition. one thing i would is that you don't see this as a victimless crime. there are significant hours spent, resources expended as a result of this investigation, and not only that, but the many men and women who are civilians that wore those yellow vests on a hot afternoon and evening looking for someone they thought was abducted, trying to be of assistance. we intend to fully prosecute this case, and look forward to working with hoover police department movingrd. we also would tell you that we will continue to monitor this investigation to determine whether or not there are any additional charges that need to be brought and we'll evaluate those as the facts are presented. >> at this time, we'll open the floor to questions.
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if you'll please raise your hand and identify yourself and your affiliation. >> david lam, cbs 42, the question for mr. attorney general, what is it about the case that made it rise to the level to where it was a case that you wanted to take on? >> we handle cases across the state. we have jurisdiction throughout, for misdemeanors and felonies. and when chief asked us, we were more than happy to assist. >> reporter: is it uncommon to be involved in demeanors like this? >> it's not uncommon. >> 100.1 fm, summit media. chief, this question is for you. >> what time of carlee arrested today with her attorney, and has she made bail? >> she has. she was processed in our facility within the past hour. >> do you expect any charges to be forthcoming with her parents or is this just all on carlee at
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this point? >> at this point, and again, i think anything is -- as the attorney general said, their team will also be searching through our files, and we'll find out what they say. >> carol robinson with al.com. >> so for what for a while seemed like a mystery and turned out to be a hoax has headed toward an arrest. carlee russell turned herself in as you just heard and she's charged with falsely reporting to law enforcement, and falsely reporting an incident. priscilla thompson joins us from atlanta. and charles coleman, civil rights attorney and former prosecutor as well as an msnbc news legal analyst. you have been following this throughout, priscilla. tell us a little more about what we're hearing and was this a surprise that she is being charged? >> yeah, chris, i think after earlier this week whenever her attorney read that statement saying that she had effectively made this all up, that it was
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all a hoax, there was no child on the interstate that she had reported and that she had acted alone. it seemed pretty clear at that point that there may be charges coming, and so obviously that is what we're seeing today. those two misdemeanor charges for false reporting to law enforcement and falsely reporting an incident carrying up to a year in jail, according to what the police chief just said, and you also heard them there say that this is not a victimless crime, that there were resources that went into this. they said that she, quote, created panic and alarm throughout the community as they were searching for her and investigating whether there was a child out there that had been used as potentially bait to lure her into some sort of situation. and of course the other thing that you heard authorities mention there was the families who do have missing loved ones out there and who are trying to get attention for them, and how this case has impacted them. and of course, i'm thinking of angela harris who led search efforts for carlee russell and
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was in tears when she found out that she had returned because she talked about when her daughter aniya d because she talked about when her daughter aniya blanchard went missing years ago, and was ultimately murdered, she didn't get that moment, and she was so happy that carlee russell was back, and for her and families to know this was a hoax, police saying it was not a victimless crime and she does need to be held accountable. she was arrested, processed, and she has made bail and is out. we know that she has an attorney. he also said at this point they do not believe her parents are implicated in this, but he also said that there could be more charges to come. they are going to continue to investigate. and the other thing that he said is that these are the charges that are allowed by the current law. and the police chief said that he's going to be speaking to state legislatures about potentially changing the laws so that perhaps more charges could
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come out of something like this. they are seeing the impact on the community for something that was not true. it was a complete hoax and a lie, and of course now she's facing the consequences for that, and will have to defend herself in court. >> thank you for that, and the first question is why would you do this. having said that, you can hear the frustration, maybe anger on the part of the police chief saying we need to look and see if there are other laws that can be put on the books, because this did have a very real impact? >> it did and to pick up from where priscilla left off, it's important to add scale and context. it's important we do not lose sight, how many people do go missing and need the resources that were put on carlee russell. we don't want to be cynical or jaded about them, number one. number two, it's important to understand that this is a serious thing, you broke the law. there were an incredible amount
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of resources that have been expended to try and ensure your safety or recover your whereabouts, and you taking advantage of that basically vis-a-vis a hoax is unacceptable and breaking the law. as we're having that conversation, it's important to remember right now these are misdemeanors. if you want to change that, as the chief said, there's a process. you have to go through the legislature, and they have to enact the laws. ultimately, what she could be charged for and prosecuted for, this is what we have, and this is what we're going to see. >> it was interesting that you're bringing the attorney general, i mean, obviously part of this has to be the fact that it gained national, actually international attention, you saw, for example in the british tabloids, this was a story being followed everywhere and they want to make sure folks know we're dealing with this, right? >> ultimately, there are no winners here. you have law enforcement that lost time and resources devoting things to causes they could have been spending elsewhere,
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obviously. you have a young woman whose life is forever going to be changed, and now, of course, again, there's that stigma when it comes to the next story or next victim where people are going to be perhaps a little more skeptical than they should be, in terms of bringing into action and do what we can to help protect each other. >> charles coleman, thank you for sticking around, appreciate it. new charges against the former president, will they force his may trial date to be delayed and throw further uncertainty into his 2024 political calendar. that's coming up in 60 seconds. political calendar that's coming up in 60 seconds ? we're exploding. but my old internet, was not letting me run the show. so, we switched to verizon business internet. they have business grade internet, nationwide. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. from big cities, to small towns, and on main streets across the us, you'll find pnc bank. helping businesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there grow and thrive.
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people so that people go out and make up lies about me because i did nothing wrong. they're trying to -- and i come under the presidential records act, which is civil. it's not even criminal. but they're trying to intimidate people and so they have to lie to get out of a problem. but these are two wonderful employees. they've been with me for a long time, and they're great people. >> i want to bring in former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, carol lamb and nbc contributor, and national correspondent, betsy woodruff-swan, and former congressman max rose. if this would end up delaying the trial, jack smith must have thought it was important obviously. he had a reason for filing it now. what's your big take away? >> well, chris, the big take away is, look, there were four people, apparently involved in these discussions about
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destroying video surveillance, and three of them are named in the indictment. that, to me, signals that finally, jack smith has a cooperating employee from mar-a-lago who is willing to tell the truth. i don't mean that mr. tavarras is going to do this voluntarily. most likely he's been granted immunity. there doesn't appear to be criminal liability on his part. what that means is he's faced with what should be an easy choice, which is tell the truth and he gets complete immunity from what he says. this is a big deal because now this is a charge that everybody understands, conspiracy to destroy evidence. and that's what we have here. so i think that this is a game changer in terms of both what the charges are, because this is direct evidence that the former president tried to destroy evidence and what kind of evidence jack smith has, which is, in this case, apparently a
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cooperating witness. does it follow that -- because we keep looking at the schedule, right, and how all of these things intersect. does it follow that more charges mean more opportunities to delay? could it by natural development delay the start of this trial? how does it affect the time line? >> honestly, chris, i know that a lot of folks think that the addition of charges and the addition of another defendant will necessarily delay this trial. i'm not sure that's true. there's still ten months before this trial is supposed to take place, and there is an additional defendant, but he's just part of this story. if the judge manages this trial well, you can see from the pleadings that jack smith has been sending into court. they are moving fast on discovery. they are giving overall the discovery, and at the end of the day, this is not that complicated a trial to try in front of a jury. it's got a discreet set of
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facts, set of dates and a limited number of witnesses. there could be complexities behind the scenes, but if the judge holds the party's feet to the fire, she could get this done in may, the scheduled trial date. >> what you're hearing inside trump camp and folks around him, would they like to delay this, certainly until at least the election, what are you hearing? >> there's no question, and that's the go-to strategy that trump has used in just about every legal battle he's faced in his decades in public life is just try to push things forward, drag them out, slow them down. what makes this case uniquely useful for trump on that very narrow strategic topic is the fact that it's governed by a law called the classified information procedure act. that's the way that federal prosecutors have to deal with classified material in cases like this that involve, according to those prosecutors
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themselves, some of our nation's most sensitive secrets. there's an extraordinary tension that jack smith and his team are going to have to deal with, while they simultaneously try to protect really highly sensitive classified information, something that's core to the u.s. national security. valuable, important secrets while also preserving the bedrock principle of the american criminal justice system, which is that trials are public, that the public gets to view trials. that the way we handle these types of crimes is not done in secret. now, jack smith is not breaking new ground here when it comes to the fact that he'll be dealing with classified material in this case. but chatting with former federal prosecutors who brought cases that are governed by the procedures, what they all say, is they just move more slowly, the process is just more time consuming. of course the prosecutors and the judge appear to want things to move quickly here.
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as a criminal defendant who is going to be exercising his rights, trump and his lawyers have an additional tool in their tool box that has former president has not had before, and it would be stunning if they didn't use it. >> max, right now, travel and campaign appearances, all the republicans, except for one in iowa tonight, that's child's play compared to what's coming up. we're going to start the debates. we're going to start seeing them go intensively into those early states because voters are going to start going to the polls. what is the start of this campaign season even going to look like? >> feels like we're in perpetual campaign season, doesn't it, these days. i truly believe that the republican primary will not change in terms of their consistent effort to kiss up to donald trump and defend him, although they'll never win a trump voter doing that. but it does really matter here, what does the biden campaign do and what do the biden surrogates do during this time?
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of course, president biden cannot and should not be commenting on this ongoing trial. it's his justice department that's at the helm of it. that's the responsible thing to do, but there's the court of law, and then there's the court of public opinion, and there are very important questions that democrats should be asking, principally, why did donald trump go to such incredible measures here to protect these documents. to hide these documents? was it the salaries? >> are you suggesting -- because the president is not going to say anything, right, but there are going to be plenty of democrats who are on the campaign trail, should they be talking about this? >> absolutely. but they should be talking about it through a very particular lens. they should not be talking about process. they should not be talking about high asteric philosophical principles, they should be talking about the fact that there's a chance here, it's looking more and more like it as this evidence comes out, that donald trump was trying to hide
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something. was it that the saudis were visiting mar-a-lago, the chinese, who was he trying to give these documents to, who are they showing them to. these are important political questions to be asking right now. it does not make any other sense. why would this guy be hiding these documents, just so he can fawn over them? and that's very important politically right now. >> this new indictment really does give us an incredible inside view of the power ynamic at play. on page 31, we learned about a conversation with walt nauta and another employee saying someone just wants to make sure carlos is good. that person responds that de oliveira is loyal, wouldn't do anything to harm his relationship with trump, and trump calls de oliveira and says he'll get him an attorney. this theme of trump and loyalty and now paying for legal representation comes up time and
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time and time again. >> it's so true. trump, by using that type of language, trying to suss out whether or not someone is sufficiently loyal to him, offering protection when he concluded they were loyal, using vague, oblique, insinuating language, communicating to people, using intermediaries to connect with people. this is 100% classic trump. there's not a word in this indictment that's surprising to people who have been tracking trump closely over the last several decades. it's all so in character for him to handle this exactly as it's described in these new court filings. it's classic trump. >> carol, our vaughn hillyard was reporting that some of these fundraising things going out, we know a big chunk of money raised is going to legal defense, and i think all of this fits into a bit of reporting from the
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"washington post" that, quote, prosecutors have asked witnesses so many questions about how and why trump entities have paid for some witnesses to get lawyers. they have also asked whether that legal representation was designed in any way to shield trump from more legal exposure. but is there anything that's not legit, that isn't kosher about donald trump helping find legal representation for some of these other defendants? >> not really, chris. and the bottom line is that an attorney has an ethical obligation to represent his or her client in the best interest of the client, not in the best interest of who's paying the legal bills. in donald trump's case, however, he seems to have been able to use his ability to pay for lawyers in a way that most of us would not approve of. it does appear, again, there's some speculation on my part here. it does appear that's not working with respect to mr.
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tavaras, who we believe is employee number four. at the end of the day, i think jack smith may have one more card to play here, and that is if it appears the trial date is going to slip because of these lawyers that are really acting in trump's best interest, jack may agree to or move to sever trump's trial from everybody else's because some of the complications that arise may arise because it's a multidefendant case, and at the end of the day, jack smith is more interested in getting donald trump tried in front of a jury before the republican national convention. he's not so concerned about that with respect to the other two defendants. >> carol lamb, betsy woodruff swan, max rose, thank you all. president biden has been pushing bidenomics at a manufacturing facility, and now he's in the crowd, as you can
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see, he's just about an hour outside of new hampshire. this is auburn, described by its mayor as a quintessential swing city that believes in bottom up economics. mike memoli is there. tell us a little bit about the speech and about this crowd. >> reporter: it is so fitting that you're transitioning from a story about political investigations, legal investigations into the former president with what the president was trying to achieve here today. that really is one of the biggest divides right now in our politics. the biden campaign really does believe what matters to voters who will go to the polls in about 466 days as i often say to you, chris, not that anybody is counting, issues like the economy, it matters so much more than these controversies of the moment, and so president biden came here to a more rural part of maine, about an hour north of portland to talk about what's happening at a local level. a manufacturer here that's seen its business expand because as biden says, a policy he has pursued in office. he designed an executive order
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that would link those who seek research development funding with a requirement to make products they ultimately do invent a new one here in this country. now, the president trying to seize on positive economic data and get credit for it. he even made a reference to some of the controversy that house republicans may want to pursue, potentially even impeachment. take a listen to part of the president's message here just in the last hour. >> there's more work ahead earlier this week, "the washington post" suggested republicans may have to find something else to criticize me for now that inflation is coming down. maybe they'll decide to impeach me because it's coming down. my dad used to say at the end of the month, just have a little breathing room, a little breathing room. a little leftover. folks that's bidenomics. >> reporter: another interesting part of this event is the geography, we are in maine's second congressional district. this is one of those states as
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you know where they award electoral votes by congressional district, and this is one that president trump did pick up an elector vote in 2020 and 2016. it's represented by a democrat, jared golden, who is probably the democrat who votes against his party, most often in congress. i want to speak about how he spoke ahead of the president , and speaks to a divide in our politics. president biden is a president who believes in the good character of as he put it, normal american people, and there are more normal people than the weirdos, would have us believe. that does speak to the way the biden team views the politics right now, the middle of the country, quiet voters we don't necessarily hear. not the loudest voices in the politics. those are the majority of the american people, and that's why the biden people think they have a fighting chance for the president to win a second term next year. >> mike memoli, quote of the day, thank you my friend, appreciate it. america's largest electrical grid operator feeling the heat literally with record high temperatures affecting millions,
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but even with troves of data, backing the dangers of climate change and a laundry list of grim milestones surpassed this summer, we're still seeing outright denial from some republican lawmakers. texas senator john cornyn telling bloomberg this week, do i have a comment about hot weather in the summer? i was always taught that climate isn't the same thing as the weather. joining me now, jeff goodell, author of the book "the heat will kill you first." so the u.n. says we're passing new milestones every day. coral reefs are losing their color early. the colorado river has lost 15 olympic sized swimming pools since 2000. people are feeling the impact of extreme weather this their day-to-day lives. how are we in this place where there's no coordinated global effort to stop it. >> that's a very good question, and there's no simple answer to that question, you know, i mean,
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here in the united states, you know, we've seen the movement to renewable power move from an economic issue to a cultural issue. ten years ago, you couldn't build wind and solar, it was too expensive, but now that argument was over, wind and solar are cheaper everywhere in the world. now we're lodged in this sort of culture war, and climate change has become part of this sort of, you know, partisan war. it's, you know, there's been a lot of effort on the right to debase science to make this a question of belief, not, you know, of evidence. and it's a really difficult moment in this whole long fight. >> yesterday, president biden rolled out heat protections for workers and he mentioned climate deniers in his speech. i want to play that. >> i don't think anybody can deny the impact of climate
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change anymore. there used to be a time when i first got here, a lot of people said, oh, it's not a problem. well, i don't know anybody. i shouldn't say that. i don't know anybody who honestly believes climate change isn't a serious problem. >> anybody who honestly believes. do you agree with him? has anything shifted since james imhoff brought a snowball to the senate floor and argued that global warming was a hoax because it still gets cold outside? >> you know, i live in texas. this is the fossil fuel capital of america, there are plenty of people here who deny climate change. some of them deny it because of just misinformation. they just don't understand the science. they just think that because they just look at their own personal experience, they think that it was hot before, it's been hot again. they just are simply uneducated. there are some people who
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deniers because they have the financial interest in that. they own stock in oil or gas companies, something like that. they're investors in that. they're afraid of losing money, and there are a lot that it has just become part of the partisan warfare and that's what i think has changed since the senator brought in the snowball. it's become now this sort of cultural litmus test. it's like similar to lgbtq rights or something like that. it's, you know, it's a part of the sort of woke wars that we've become engulfed in, and that is to me kind of what makes it really difficult and kind of scary at this moment because if you don't believe in science, if you don't believe in the evidence of what's happening, it's very difficult to change anybody's mind. >> yeah, and it was very interesting article in the "washington post" today because they said that climate doomers are now replacing deniers. and i'm going to quote them,
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influenced by a barrage of grim new end reports and negative headlines a group of people believe that the climate problem cannot or will not be solved in time to prevent all out societal collapse. the article goes on to argue their defeatism could be as effective in blocking change as deniers. do you agree with that? what's going to force action if people have simply given up? >> that i totally agree with. climate doomerism is a huge problem, a huge issue, and it is something that's emerged recently. it's a product of not understanding the situation that we're really in, not understanding that we have a lot of ability to change the trajectory of things. we can power our cities differently. we can build our cities differently. the urgency of reducing the burning of fossil fuels which is putting the co 2 in the atmosphere, which is what is causing this warming. you know, there is a lot we can
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do. but, you know, this some sort of doomer idea is very dangerous because it breeds a kind of apathy, and it breeds a kind of, you know, cynicism about all of this. and, you know, i really do believe that it's sort of the opposite. we're at this moment of great opportunity, where everything about our lives, where our food comes from, where our energy comes from, how we build our cities is sort of up for grabs right now, and i think if we can, you know, build political momentum, increase, you know, people's engagement in this, it's really an opportunity to build a bigger world. >> jeff goodell, thank you so much, we appreciate you coming on the program. a dramatic day on the presentencing hearing for the michigan school shooter with one major question still on the table, how young is too young to face life in prison? we've got the latest inside the courtroom next. t the latest ins courtroom next now is the time to partner with our experts.
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we are now hearing from the ohio man who was mauled by a police dog while trying to surrender to police with his hands up. 23-year-old jadarrius rose feared for his life. it was that fear that caused him to hesitate when officials tried to call him over. he sat down for an interview with msnbc's tom llamas joined by his mother and civil rights attorney ben crump. >> we saw that video there, we saw it earlier in the week. you were there. you had your hands up, what did you think when you saw that dog running at you? what was going through your head? >> just, i just didn't want to lose my life or lose my arm. >> we could hear you scream. i can't even imagine what that was like. >> it was tough. i didn't want to lose my life. >> jadarrius who was on his
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unfolded. describing some harrowing moments. one student describing the shooter kicking in the stall door of a bathroom stall, and looking at him, shooting another student who was with him. that student later dying, according to the testimony provided by one of the students we heard from today. we also heard from an assistant principal for the school. here's part of what that assistant principal shared. >> so we heard these two gunshots that you weren't sure were gunshots at this point. then what did you do? >> i started to walk towards them because i needed to go find out, in my head, i needed to go help. >> so just to set the scene here, there's an active shooter protocol that's being implemented, you are supposed to lock down. instead you heard gunshots and headed toward the gunshots? >> correct.
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>> so the testimony is ongoing at this hour. we are hearing from witnesses for the defense now. prosecution has finished presenting its side of the case in this hearing, chris, so we're waiting to see what other developments will come out. this hearing could wrap up later today. the judge indicated he would like the hearing to wrap up by the end of the day. >> jesse kirsch, thank you. the cdc sounding the alarm about a life threatening allergy to red meat that could be impacting nearly half a million americans. the shocking cause and the symptoms are next. s. the shocking cause and the mptoms are next. (vo) verizon small business days are coming. from august 7th to the 13th. now is the time to partner with our experts. get started today with verizon business. it's your business. it's your verizon. power e*trade's award-winning trading app makes trading easier. with its customizable options chain, easy-to-use tools and paper trading to help sharpen your skills, you can stay on top of the market from wherever you are. e*trade from morgan stanley.
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there is a new alert from the cdc about a spreading illness that many doctors know far too little about. it has to do with a mysterious red meat allergy triggered by tick bites. nbc news correspondent rehema ellis joins me now. a lot of people who heard about this, and i count myself among them are a little bit freaked out. what is going on? >> this is something that has to do with a syndrome called alpha gal syndrome. doctors aren't familiar with this at all. take a look. for months, doreen suffered extreme joint pain. >> it took me a year and four doctors to get a diagnosis. >> reporter: and that diagnosis was alpha gal syndrome, typically caused by a bite from
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a lone star tick. >> that tick bite leads to an allergic response to the alpha gal sugar found in red meat, and. >> doreen says now she's also allergic to dairy and even gelatin, and according to a new report from the cdc, out of 1,500 doctors surveyed, 42% had never heard of alpha-gal storm and 35% weren't confident of their ability to treat it. symptoms include hives, itching, abdominal pain and chest tightness. alpha gal syndrome, typically found in mid atlantic states is spreading. 110,000 suspected cases have been identified since 2010, but experts estimate the true number affected is closer to 450,000. >> the challenge is getting to those primary care front line providers that are seeing
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patients and having them become aware so we can speed the diagnosis. >> reporter: doctors say use tick repellant, do frequent checks and keep to trails to avoid the kind of precautions doreen has to take. >> is it fair to say that it has changed your life? >> it's very fair to say that. anything i put in my body i have to monitor. >> and one of the really interesting things about this, and i think it's one of the reason why doctors have a difficult time, you don't get an immediate reaction in many instances, it could be two or five hours after you have eaten the meat. >> this isn't a bee allergy where immediately you might start blowing up. >> exactly. when you go into the emergency room and they ask you what happened, i don't know, i had dinner five hours ago, you're not thinking about it. this is a wake up call. primary care doctors will know about it, and they can get you to an allergist, those are the doctors primarily diagnosing what this is.
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the world's largest brewer and the maker of bud light, anheuser-busch, is laying off hundreds of workers after losing its spot as america's number one beer following a campaign, featuring transgender influencer dylan mulvaney. cnbc's morgan brennan is with us for cnbc on msnbc. what's the latest on this? >> the world's largest brewery announced it's laying off 350 employees, roughly 2% of its 18,000 u.s. employees. the cuts will only affect corporate staff. they won't impact front line staff, drivers, warehouse workers or salespeople, but of course it does come as bud light sales have taken a hit for
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months now since april, amid a conservative boycott over a promotion with transgender influencer, dylan mulvaney. the uproar that followed thrust the brand into the culture wars that have entangled other companies like disney. shares tumbling, even as competitors see block buster sales. shifting consumer preferences deloaned bud night. that title belongs to a mexican brand, modelo. consumers have been shifting away from beer, as people are choosing wine, spirits, seltzers like white claw instead of beer. the latest quarterly earnings results next week, so we'll see what other details we may get
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from this entire situation that has affected such a major company in the spirits world. chris. >> and cost some hard working americans their jobs. morgan brennan, thank you for that. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. have a greet great weekend. stay cool. our coverage continues with yasmin vossoughian right now. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for my friend katy tur. new charges and a new cocold front -- codefendant in one of the special probes. jack smith hit donald trump with three more felony counts in the classified documents case with the clearest picture yet of the former president's alleged attempts at a coverup. here's what we know so far.

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