a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. developing this, our a new vow from donald trump to remain in the 2024 presidential race, despite three more criminal charges. filed against him in the classified documents case. trump attending iowa's first big gathering of republican candidates, sharing the stage with a dozen primary rivals, just hours earlier, the former president made clear he is

staying put. no matter what happens. >> if going forward, you get these indictments, their ends up, you got a jury in d.c., you get convicted and sentenced, does that stop your campaign from president? if you're sentenced? >> not at all. there is nothing in the constitution to say that it could and, not at all. >> meanwhile, president byline highlighting strong economic news in a visit to maine. he signed an executive order, aiming to prioritize american manufacturing, while saying bidenomics is working. >> unemployment in america is below 4%. the longest stretch in over 50 years. it's not just that we've recovered all the jobs we lost during the pandemic, it's that we now have four -- more jobs than we did before the pandemic. >> and late friday statement, people magazine, the president, for the first, time now

publicly acknowledging his seventh grandchild, four year old girl named navy. his son -- the president and first lady said they wanted the best for all of their grandchildren, including navy. florida, governor ron desantis, creating criticism from black republicans in congress. they spoke out on twitter against the new public school standards in florida. they teach that some black people benefited from slavery. congressman james tweeting slavery was not cte. nothing about that 400 years of evil was a net benefit to my ancestors. congressman hunt wrote, as the direct descendant of a slave, i have a hard time understanding governor desantis's position. . the transferable skills learned in bondage are somehow in a benefit? we learn more on that in the one pm hour. we are in des moines, that is where desantis and donald trump were among the presidential hopefuls to speak at the annual dinner among more than 1000

guests. there was one unexpected twist. trump mostly stuck to the script and took no questions. here's a report from gabe gutierrez. gutierrez. we love trump. we love. trump >> former president trump to find his first public appearance since the federal charges against him. >> if i weren't running, i would have nobody coming after me. if i was losing by a, lot i would have nobody coming after me. >> i was lincoln dinner drive -- all the gop candidates, only one got this response. >> donald trump is running to stay out of prison. and if we elect -- former texas congressman, we'll, heard booed for rebuking mr. trump. >> others in the crowd, looking for new options. definitely not trump fans. but other than that, it is kind of open for at this point. >> can you take a few questions? mister president?

>> mr. trump took no questions at the event. after special counsel, jack, smith bought the new charges this week. alleging the former president saw a cover-up to conceal classified documents at his mar-a-lago home. by the leading surveillance video. mar-a-lago property manager, carl still levy area, now charged with two obstruction counts. making false statements to the fbi. his lawyer had no comment. the indictment does not say whether the footage was deleted. >> i don't think they think -- these are my tapes that we gave to them. >> the former president is facing another possible indictment, in a separate investigation, to when they tried to overturn the 2020 election. we spoke with his top rival, florida governor, ron desantis, who still won't attack mr. trump over his legal troubles. >> does what he did on january 6th disqualify him from being president? >> here's what i think we can. do we can focus the election on joe biden's failures and our positive vision for the. future we're litigating things

from four or five years ago, republicans are going to lose. >> mr. trump is still dominating many polls. it's unclear whether who come to the first gop debate next month. he set the rally supporters in pennsylvania later today. back to you. >> dave, thank you for. that more now on donald trump's new reaction to the two big ongoing federal investigations. it is mostly playing out on social media, trump asked how could jack smith indict him relating to january six, claiming here already one such a case and was fully acquitted by the u.s. senate. as for superseding the superseding indictments, in the classified documents case, he says security tapes for all caps voluntarily given to doj and were not deleted. he is also calling the new indictment of intimidation tactic. >> they are trying to intimidate people, so that people go out and make up lies about me. because i did nothing wrong. they're trying to -- and i come under the

presidential records act, which is civil, it's not even criminal. but they're trying to intimidate people, and so they have to lie to get out of a problem. >> joining me right now, charles coleman, former brooklyn new york prosecutor, now civil rights attorney and host of the charles coleman podcast. animal davin, former spokesperson for the house january six committee and jonathan allen, nbc news senior national politics reporter, welcome all. charles, does it matter that he was not able to delete the server and do you think this could be just trump's way of saying that his subordinates are under pressure to flip in the documents case? >> well, alex, i'm glad you started there. number one, it doesn't matter. he is being charged with an attempt. which means that the only thing jack smith has to establish in front of a jury is that he intended to delete the server. not that it actually occurred. so while donald trump is parsing words here, it's important to make that distinction.

because of what he's actually charged with, in this superseding indictment, to your second question, i do think it's very likely that jack smith at least tried -- is trying to flip some of his codefendants. if you look at the actual superseding indictment, you will notice that there are a number of different people who are referred to as employee, one, two, three, four, five. those are individuals who could have been charged with the overall scheme, but ultimately cooperated, and therefore they are not named the indictment as defendants. at this, point if either have his codefendants were going to cooperate, it's likely that they would have already. but because they have, not they have now also been indicted with donald. trump it's important to understand,, alex one thing they've been missing from this discussion over the past few days is that this is the first time that we have heard donald trump even hypothetically consider what would happen if he was convicted. he has always been having the actual stance imposture that this was nonsense, that it was something he was going to, be but this is the first time that

we have heard him old openly talk about the notion of being convicted and what would happen if you. was i think that is a sign from his attorneys that he is beginning to understand the more and more jacks mitt continues to indict him for his, wrongdoing the more and more likely it is that he is going to have to be held accountable in the court of law. >> interesting that it to come this long to understand. that but let's move on to this question. near this, week we caught a rare glimpse of the former trump chief of staff, mark meadows, in d.c.. take a look at that. >> you testified before the grand jury? >> i don't talk about anything. nice to meet you. >> do you feel like it's appropriate the investigation? >> candidate, chris, christie later said meadows looks like someone who is cooperating with the doj january six investigation. hannah, are there witnesses that your committee spoke to who can possibly be leveraged? to testify against donald trump? >> i think, absolutely. donald trump had all of these individuals around him that were really boiled to him.

but even we started to talk to some that said things that were not in his favor. mark meadows, there it's possible for us to know how much he spoke to special counsel, jack smith. but mark meadows is a tricky figure who doesn't seem to be as close to donald trump as he used to be. he is undecided on how much he cooperated with january six committee. he turned over a lot of documents to us, including a lot of text messages that a lot of the american people have seen. he would not talk to us about any of those. mark meadows is a figure who has been trying to have his cake and eat it too. and it seems like he might have been we -- deterred with, jack smith and his special counsel. >> it looks like he is walking a very fine tight rope there. john, we have seen and heard trump's public facing reaction. what are you seeing and hearing about this reaction behind the scenes? >> i mean, i think every time

we talk to someone, he obviously is going to fight this on two paths. on a legal path and on a political path. to the point that former congressman was making in iowa yesterday, republican voters are going to be, in the primary -- his choice of nominating donald trump with the possibility that he could go to prison. will they be the deciding whether or not he becomes president before he goes to prison? he is obviously thinking a lot about. this he is lashing out of jack smith, you see them lashing out at other people. you saw the video of mark meadows earlier, out of mark meadows is cooperating with the government or not. chris christie seems to be able to read into body language there, i guess. but one thing you can't be sure of is that the prosecutors care more about donald trump than they do about the people below him. whether they talk about valets, in mar-a-lago, or the federal white house chief of staff. i think they're gonna make every effort to turn everybody that they can, and they

probably will be able to make a lot of immunity deals. >> they are trying to go for big. fish left face. it let's take a look at what the indictments has happened between june 22nd and 27th of 2022. june 22nd, trump gets a draft subpoena for surveillance video. june 20, third he calls carlos de oliveira, his maintenance, supervisor and they spoke for 24 minutes. june 20, for the final subpoena arrives, and we get a message that trump wants to see, him not touching just his plans in travels to mar-a-lago. june 20, fifth nauta's ledge to have met de oliveira and walk around pointing to different surveillance cameras. june 27th, de oliveira takes employee number four into an audio closet. he is alleged to have told him, the boss wanted the server deleted. a few hours later, not a de oliveira walk through the bushes to an adjacent property to chat. a couple of hours after that, trump called de oliveira. >> how do you interpret this charles? is it hard evidence that trump

did do anything specific? >> alex, i interpret this like a poorly written hardy boys mystery novel by an 11 year old who just learn to write stories. this is like keystone cop, terrible planning by what i would say are some of the most inept criminals in the world. in terms of their planning, you are talking about these backdoor meetings and going through tunnels with flashlights to try to point out security cameras. listen, no, this is not necessarily a smoking gun. i will acknowledge that as a former prosecutor, but what i can tell you is that when you're putting together the circumstantial evidence that you have, the actual details of certain conversations, you are able to establish the minimum threshold for what he has to -- jack smith, that, is due in front of a jury to prove intent. and that is -- if there was an intent to erase the actual data on these video cameras. that is the issue, and that is what jack smith has to prove and establish.

and this timeline, combined with the information that we know through the existence of these cooperating witnesses, all but does. that in front of a, jury beyond a reasonable. doubt and so i don't necessarily think on its own, on its face, no, it may not be a conviction by itself, but when you put it all together, when you put the lid -- on the testimony from the cooperating witnesses, it really does create a very cohesive and persuasive narrative. which is why jack smith has such a strong case. >> yeah. let's fast forward to august 26, 2022. that is after the fbi searched mar-a-lago. the indictment says, not a called employee five and said words to the effect, of someone just wants to make sure carlos's good. that person reassured nauta that jia de oliveira was loyal and confirmed that in a signal chat group. then trump called de oliveira that he would get him an attorney. michael cohen famously said that trump communicates and codes. what role do you see loyalty playing in? this is loyalty theme similar

to what you found in january six investigation? >> alex, that is exactly. it loyalty is the name of the game for donald trump. even in our own investigation, we saw the donald trump specifically tried to contact a select committee witnesses, we know that the select committee had concerns about some of the lawyers that were paid for by trump allies, so exactly what you're saying they implied here. and he told some of his witnesses to not recall, things or give misleading statements. cassidy hutchinson is a great example of someone who switched her lawyers. because the ones that were associated with donald trump were telling her to not recall facts, or were telling the press things that she said in her views. they were talking to lawyers and other witnesses about what she was saying. donald trump trying to ensure that those around him, those that are talking to people that are investigating him remain loyal. it is a playbook that he has used before, he used with, us and we see now he used it in the special documents case.

>> which brings us to ty cobb. what he said this week, listen up. >> this is such a tight case. the evidence is so overwhelming and his lawyers certainly you know, we're advising, him at some point, advised him not to destroy, move, or obstruct this grand jury subpoena in any way or the government's request in anyway. so, this is trump going not just by the, you know, back of the prosecutors, this is trump trump going behind the back of his own lawyers. and dealing with two people who, you know, were extremely loyal to him. >> so, all this loyalty, put it all together, all three of you. which of these two cases is the more threatening to donald trump? the more likely serious one, the greatest potential that he could be found guilty on. charles, you first. when it comes to the documents case, first his chances th lead.

>> well, i think mar-a-lago right now has to be the most serious case because it is one he's been indicted for. i think january 6th could be potentially because it's possible, given the recommendations from the select committee, that he's charged with a crime that could potentially, upon conviction, prevent him ever holding public office again. but we have not seen that happen yet. so, because of that, i have to go with what we know, which is the burden and the hand of the mar-a-lago indictment, which actually exists, as opposed to the january six indictment, which we haven't necessarily seen it and we don't know what he will be charged with. >> okay, hannah, your thoughts. which one? >> i think i agree with charles, you know? we know a little bit more about the documents case, but i will say, alex, knowing all of the evidence that the select committee gave over to the doj and how much more they had access to, that's a really strong case as well and i would keep our eye on that in the upcoming weeks. >> we will, that is for sure. last word to you, john. >> yeah, i associate myself with the remarks of my distinguished friends on the

panel. have not seen the d.c. one, yet have not seen the january six indictment yet. so, that makes the mar-a-lago one the more likely, at least of at the moment to be a problem for trump. you know, i think the manhattan case is much lesser. >> okay, dotting your eye, crossing your tea there, mr. journalist. thank you very much, all three of you, good to see you. so, it just doesn't feel right. the water in the ocean of south florida, what the hot temperatures mean for all the beautiful underwater life. we will talk about that ahead. plus, if you think these heat waves will end by fall, you may be fooling yourself. we are back in 60 seconds. we are bacin 60 seconds.

>> right now, temperatures are peaking in the final hours of a heat wave for millions. but really from the extreme heat and humidity is coming in the northeast and mid-atlantic. in the d.c. area, temperatures could feel as hot as 110 degrees today, but rain and

storms will cool things down a bit this afternoon. on the jersey shore, in atlantic city, it's going to feel into the triple digits before those same storms move through. some of them, though, could be severe. and dallas will feel like 105 degrees today, and it's going to be even hotter next week, everyone. we have several reporters in place covering all the angles for you. up first, nbc's guad venegas is in miami, where right now, apparently it feels like a sweltering 100 degrees, guad. you know, i was going to ask the folks there are coping with this unrelenting heat wave, but i guess that includes you. >> alex, you know, we look at these numbers compared to what we've experienced this past month, it is not that bad. we've been standing covering the heat in miami when the heat index was 105, and because of the humidity, every degree feels just worse here. so, we could say we've taken a break from that extreme heat, although we are still under that heat here in south florida. but of course, the northeast and the mid-atlantic are experiencing the worst of it.

we are going to hear from some people in new york talk about what it's been like for them during this heat wave. >> i walked outside and i was hoping for something clearer than yesterday, which was to humid. and it was a little clearer, but then you got roy in and awfully hot. too hot. >> it is unreal. i can't believe it. it is too hot. it's just too hot. >> i feel like i can't go anywhere without sweating, you know? like, i really can't go anywhere without sweating. in the subway, the subway station is a sauna. like, it's free, but it doesn't feel good. >> you know, alex, when we describe the heat, i think we all use the word hot two or three times in the same sentence. i'm on the phone with -- other part of the country i'm like, it's just really hot, hot, hotter than usual. and it's not just the feeling. obviously, there are dangers with this heat. in places like arizona, there are reports that people are getting second and third degree

burns when they fall in the asphalt. so, there's a lot ofhat are given to people. hydrate, take breaks from the sun, and be careful out there because there are dangers that come with this extreme heat, alex. >> oh my gosh, and you know what? let's be careful with your pets. i think a lot of the little pause should not be on the asphalt, for obvious reasons. thank you, what, for that. joining right now, nbc news meteorologist michelle grossman. so, what can we expect across the u.s. today? when can we expect to get some relief from the seat? >> hey there, alex. well, it's all about location. some people are feeling the relief already, but many of us are not and i'm glad that what mentioned the danger of heat, because it is the number one related, cause of death when it comes to weather. so, this is really important topic. we are looking 102 million people still under heat alerts across 30 different states. so, from the southwest to the central plains, the south central plains into the northeast and mid-atlantic, also the portions of the southeast. that will remain today, but we do have a little relief in some spots. that's an indication of what's to come. we had a cold front that came through and northern plains,

the midwest, the great lakes, and look at those temperatures. that is the relief. temperatures below normal for this time of year in the 70s and 80s, 77 in buffalo, but look ahead at this front. we are still sweltering in the south, still sweltering in the northeast also portions of the mid-atlantic. new york city will feel like 100 degrees today, feeling like 100 degrees also in knoxville. feeling like 103 in wichita. that will be the same story in the south tomorrow. so, unfortunately, no relief in the south, but look at boston tomorrow. 79 degrees. almost feeling ball like. 86 in philadelphia, that's below normal as well. 70s in portions of the great lakes. and then we will feel comfortable next week, but unfortunately, alex, we're looking at the south so sizzling as we go through next week. we will continue to break records there. back to you. >> oh boy, okay, thank you for the update. as it stands, a highly respected political report says the 2024 election is going to come down to four states. so, which for? we will talk about that next. plante later, seinfeld used to talk about the airing of grievances. it's a quick that has had -- for years are now on capitol hill, there is a listing of them.

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today after an unexpected twist in the donald trump classified documents case. in the new indictment filed thursday, federal prosecutors accused trump of attempting to alter, destroy, mutilate, or conceal evidence. inducing someone else to do so, and showing classified documents to visitors at his golf club in bedminster, new jersey. the new york times suggesting the new charge highlights long running obstruction questions and the new yorker, with this take. the boss and his botched cover-up. joining me now is peter baker, msnbc political analyst, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, and coauthor of the divider, trump in the white house 2017 to 2021. welcome, my friend. hey, by the way, peter, your book coauthor and wife wrote that last one. and the indictment record says,

the boss. wanting a security tape server the leader. so, before i get the specifics on that, how surprised were you by this new indictment? and is this where we talk about the cover-up being worse than the crimes? at least the allegations? >> yeah, it's a pretty serious offense to be charged with trying to destroy evidence, basically. now, you know, president trump, former president trump, put out a syncing nothing was destroyed, but he did not deny that he actually tried to get it destroyed. he in fact told his employees to go ahead and wipe those servers, that there wouldn't be any evidence of, you know, whatever they were trying to do in terms of hiding these documents. that's about as straightforward obstruction case as you would imagine, at least according to the lawyers who were familiar with this kind of thing and i think it has, obviously, to jack smith's case. this is just not a one-off, this is a whole series of events and people who were involved in trying to, you know, to impede the governments authority. >> yeah, by the way, can you apologize to susan? our graphic music only said

forbes and it is the new yorker. i mean, you know where she gets paid, right? anyway, so, is it clear what trump was trying to cover up by allegedly asking about the security tapes being deleted? and is that worse than the new indictment clearly alleging trump waved around and iran were planned classified document at bedminster during a meeting with people not clear to view classified materials? >> yeah, that's important too because remember, in the first indictment, the original indictment, they, jack smith, included the dialogue of former president trump talking to these visitors about the classified document, after the indictment came, out president trump said on air, i didn't have any document, it was bravado on my part. in effect, he was just saying ruffling papers had nothing to do with that. well, in fact, this new indictment, the superseding it emanating wait a second, we actually believe that there was such a document and they have it or they have evidence of it. i think the witnesses, people in the room, -- willfully retaining that document. therefore, in effect, rebutting

his public statement. in terms of the destroying of the tapes, we think these tapes obviously have given the prosecutors a roadmap to some of the efforts we've made to hide these documents, to move them from room to room and you see, from the documents, from the indictments, that they have information from these tapes about who was in that room at one time, and talking with whom. you can imagine -- very valuable to the court case is being developed. >> yeah, there are a lot of details and all of this. so, trump's lawyers met with special counsel prosecutors thursday morning. everyone thought it was to talk potential election interference. january six indictment. was that what the meeting was about? or might it have been these two indictments? >> well, it's a good question. remember, the last time he did put out this first indictment, he did, in fact, invite in donald trump's lawyers to make their last case about why he should be indicted -- stop him from indicting him, obviously. if that's the case here, then we can imagine in the days to come, we might see this january

six indictment. the grand jury traditionally meets on tuesday and thursday, they didn't issue an indictment this last thursday. everybody is now looking toward tuesday with a great anticipation. of course, we don't know if they've already perhaps issued a sealed indictment. that's something we wouldn't necessarily know about at this point. but tuesday seemed to be the important day here and it does seem unlikely that whatever case donald trump's lawyer -- jack smith thought it would dissuade him if he thinks he's got the evidence to claim the case. >> okay, listening to the 2024 election now and this fascinating analysis by the cook political report, in which it suggests, four states will likely determine the outcome of the 2024 presidential election. those being arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, wisconsin. with then michigan, nevada, and north carolina potentially playing a role. do you agree with the four they chose? and how does that play to how the nominees are then going to approach campaigning? i mean, and is it really down to four already, peter? >> well, it's remarkable. -- walter zuberi expert on these things. i would trust them in their

analysis. one thing they noted in this report is how consistent most states are. they pointed out that only ten states voted for presidential nominee from different parties between 2008 and 2020. then it was most states are locked into their red or blue positions, and very few of them go back and forth. they are saying that that number of swing states has shrunk even further, right? just to these four, possibly up to seven states. you are right, it will determine where the candidates spend their time, their money, their efforts, the resources. and it means that the rest of the country, in effect, is left on the sidelines to some extent, just watching what happens in these critical battleground states. >> yeah, fascinating. okay, thank you, peter. honestly, you are one of our favorite msnbc analyst, but coming up, we're going to also hear from another favorite analyst, princeton university professor, eddie glaad. we are going to cover a lot of ground with him. the blue color staffers -- now entitled and trump's legal trouble. also, the low back hitting florida governor ron desantis over his black history curriculum. plus, the new study about

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state anthony blinken to that military coup in niger. this has been the soldiers who staged the uprising, they've

now elected their military leaders new head of state. the white house condemned their actions. here is blinken at a news conference in australia. >> let me be very, very clear about this, as i have been in my phone conversations. our economic and security partnership with niger, which is significant, hundreds of millions of dollars, depends on the continuation of the democratic governance and constitutional order. it's been disrupted. so, that support is in clear jeopardy, as a result of these actions, which is another reason why they need to be immediately reversed. >> nbc's courtney kube's in the capital city of miami. courtney, welcome. it has been four days, right? since that revolt. so, how are things over there, what are you seeing? >> he had, that's right, and it's been about a day now since we've had one person from this military council, who's emerged as the leader. the self-proclaimed president of this country. so, what i will say is the

first two days or so that after president bazoum, the democratically elected president here in niger, the first two days or so after he began to be a hostage to his own security forces, we saw some protests in the streets. some of them got a little bit heated, though, alex. including burning some vehicles, throwing stones. but in the two days since then, we haven't seen protests. the streets are relatively calm, people are operating as normal. now, from the u.s. perspective, they still recognize president bazoum as the leader here of this country. we heard secretary of state anthony blinken, he actually has spoken to him twice. since he has became a detainee in his own presidential residence. we also heard some pretty strong language out of the white house late this week. john kirby, the spokesperson for the national security council, laying out some of the real consequences that could be -- niger if this coup were to stick. here's what he had to say. with >> united states condemns,

in the strongest terms, any effort to seize power by force. and to disrupt constitutional order in niger. a military takeover make of the united states to seize security and other cooperation with the government of measure. jeopardizing existing security and non security partnerships to the people of niger, it's important that you know united states and this administration stands with you. we are committed to defending democratic governance and will respect the rule of law and human rights. >> and we heard secretary of state anthony blinken say that hundreds of millions of dollars are in stake. well, according to a state department official, it's more than $400 million are at stake. but in addition to that, it's also the security assistance here. now, that's actually what we came here to cover. it was the u.s. military's mission here. it's about 1100 individuals strong. they trained the nigerian military forces and they support them in some of their counterterror missions. this area is where several

different serious and growing terror networks have been converging. al-qaeda affiliate and an affiliate of the islamic state known as the islamic state in the greater sahel. they are here and they are moving closer. they are gaining ground. there is real concern that if, in fact, this military coup does become the government here in niger, the u.s. would have to pull, by law, would have to pull some of that assistance, alex. >> courtney, very quickly, you mentioned the first two days of unrest and the demonstrations, the fires and alike, then the two days of relative calm, which begs this question. where do the people of niger stand on this? >> yeah and that's an excellent question. and it just makes it even more complicated when you consider that some of the people on day two were protesting outside of the presidents party headquarters, in fact, setting fire to things, they were holding russian flags. there is some belief that some of the may have actually been paid to do so. but it is really unclear where

the people stand. the first day, they seemed to be supporting the president. the second day, they were against him. and that is even made more difficult because some of the people are standing up behind general gianni, the self proclaimed new leader of the country. it is not clear, according to u.s. officials, whether they all really are on board with this who are not, alex. >> okay, the moment to be become clear, i know you will reported. forestport you be, thank you. the party that brought you 1000 points of light now has 40 points of grievance. how problems keep piling up for congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. greene. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv (man) mm, hey, honey. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. looks like my to-do list grew. "paint the bathroom, give baxter a bath, get life insurance," hm.

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newest headlines, as former president donald trump faces three criminal charges in the classified documents case. the wall street journal says, trump is charged with a cover-up, as the washington post says, the new indictment proves trump never learned the first lesson of watergate. joining me now, pennsylvania congressman, natalie dean.

a democratic member of the house judiciary. and foreign affairs committees. good to see you, my friend. so, this new indictment alleges that trump was part of a scheme to get rid of security cameras surveillance footage. given the evidence in this case, is the cover-up the crime? >> well, let me begin by saying, alex, i am very sorry. the loss of your mother, collect. i heard you described her as dignified, blue eyed, gracious, and fun to the end. and i remember -- >> she was all that. >> i remember how gracious you were to me on the death of my mother during covid, of covid. so, my sympathies are with you. you reflect your mother. >> well, that is a high praise, indeed. but thank you so much. so, -- >> as to the proceeding, the superseding indictment. again, extraordinary reading. it is like something out of a bad mob movie with folks to valleys, essentially, moving

boxes, hiding boxes, and now the additional information of once trump and his lawyers were advised that the fbi was preparing a subpoena to capture the videos, the videotapes of what was going on there, he added another person to the mix and instructed them, allegedly, under this indictment, that reads so clearly and so damningly, instructed them to embrace the server. erase the video surveillance. obstruction. the cover-up, we have heard this over and over again, the cover-up is often worse than the original offense. keeping the documents was the original offense. if he had simply given them back, we would not be in any of this and the layering of criminal behavior that's alleged here. and i hope people will read this. it is so clear, it reads as a narrative that is quite absurd and frightening. >> yeah and it also begs the

question, why, anyway? we've also learned from the new court filing that trump's lawyers want to discuss classified information with the former president. but do it outside of a classified setting. they want to do it at his home. this is part of the criminal case. i guess for the sake of convenience. prosecutors from the special counsel's team are baffled, saying there is zero basis for the request. does this make sense to you? i mean, does donald trump still not understand the security afforded to classified information? >> donald trump understands completely. he just doesn't believe he's accountable to a law. but no man is above the law. we are in nation of the rule of law, not of the rule of man or a single man. so, no, he just holds himself on accountable. criminal behavior, corrupt behavior means nothing to him. look how he came into office, paying off a former porn star. there are so many layers of criminality, his corruption, and it's all a terrible distraction for this country.

very, very dangerous. but i hope jack smith and others will hold this president to account and i'm really amazed at the extraordinary detail and thoroughness of this investigation and this superseding indictment. >> yeah, timing wise, these charges come in the documents case as we await the potential indictment in the special counsel's election interference case. i know that you were an impeachment manager in trump's second senate trial on those events leading up to january 6th and the attack there. what charges could trump face? what kind of impact do you think a third indictment would have on republican support for him? >> well, i don't want to prejudge the charges and what the investigation was showing, but you are right. i was there in the gallery of the capital. it was during covid when the insurrection began. when the breaking of the glass, when we were instructed to hurry out in our gas masks. i was there and it is president trump who incited these folks

to come and violently beat capitol police officers. injuring some, killing others. as they were in search of any one of us, particularly his own vice president or the speaker. i was there. there are layers of crimes that can be indicted here and i look forward to the president being held to account at the state level, at the federal ve. everywhere he is to be accounted. but think of where we are, alex. this is such an exhausting seven or eight years with this corrupt president, former president. so, i look forward to the court system doing what they need to do to hold them to account and all those who work, his accomplices, frankly. this conspiracy as it is laid out here is extraordinary and i'm sure there's many more details that we are going to learn. but i want to contrast that with what i know on the ground, what we have been able to do, democrats in the last congress alongside this president. we've asked tremendous passed

tremendous bills and our economy is showing it. i think in part, all of the things that are going on in the dysfunction on the other side of the aisle in congress is because they said they were going to run and work on the economy, but they are not. they are working on identity politics because we have been successful on the economy. gdp, up 2.4%. surprised folks. the fed has pulled back on the threat of recession. 13 million jobs were created under this president. historic investments in infrastructure. the economy is good. i just had a town hall this week, a telephone town hall. it was 6500 people on it and we did a little snapshot poll. how do you feel about the economy? 60% of respondents of those 6500 people, 60% said they feel that the economy is good. >> that's good! >> good to okay, yeah, exactly. >> it's good that people are feeling it and then they are saying it and acknowledging, that is good for the biden administration.

let me ask you very quickly about one other point i want to make with democratic congresswoman becca balint leading a resolution to some -- -- republican marjorie taylor greene for dozens of controversial comments and actions. in fact, the list of roughly 40 grievances includes showing graphic images of hunter biden during a congressional hearing. should mtg face censored by the house, would it get your vote? >> it would get my vote. but i wish it were her own party that was bringing that forward. i honor representative balint, she is a terrific newer member of congress and she said, in part, that she did this because of the, in order to lift up democracy. she ran for office because she saw what happened on january 6th and she saw the threat to our democracy. the continuing on serious threat to our democracy that is marjorie taylor greene and her body of work, with no sense whatsoever of what her oath should inspire. no dignity, whatsoever.

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between border battle between texas and the department of texas some of the permit of justice has justice has moved to the moved to the courts courts. the justice department filed a lawsuit this week against texas and governor greg abbott for using this floating water barrier to prevent migrants from entering texas, via the river rio grande. let's bring in victoria defrancesco soto, msnbc contributor and dean of arkansas's clinton school of public service. welcome to you. what exactly does this lawsuit allege and how is texas responding to it?

>> right, so, what we are seeing here is first of all, a violation of international law. but also of the law of the land, our federal law. because alex, immigration is a federal level issue. because there has been such a stalemate for decades now in congress regarding immigration, we've seen multiple states, especially the border states, trying to take matters into their own hands. and in the cases like this, very extreme measures. so, this is why we see that turn to the courts and here, we're also dealing with the international issue. where mexico is very upset about this because of the violation of -- but also the humanitarian piece of it. >> yeah, absolutely and look, the government, they want that floating barrier out of there right now, but it does have to make its way through the courts. so, what happens? can stay in place? >> it is going to be a battle that goes up. maybe it ends up in the supreme court, but governor greg abbott is going to try hard to keep it

because we know that very tough, very extreme immigration laws are ones that speak to the base of the far-right of the republican party. and greg abbott has really taken a stand here and it is a political issue for him, but he needs to show that he's standing strong on it. >> yeah, beto will give him a run for his money last time, so i can see why. texas, like many states, faces multiple legal battles over its abortion ban. in ohio, there is an amendment that codifies abortion. it has enough support to get on the states november ballot. however, its fate, rather, may be determined by this august special election. it's being put forward by the republican controlled legislature. that's going to make it harder to amend the states constitution. our ohio republicans just afraid of letting november voters decide for themselves the future of abortion in the state? >> well, look, they've been looking at the same election result that we all have and

that we saw that the 2022 midterms, democrats overperformed what we expected because of that push of immigration. we look at various states that have been able to codify abortion law protections, we see that abortion, for democrats now, after the overturning of roe v. wade, is a mobilizing issue. so, this is fascinating to watch as a political scientist. you see that when one road is blocked, -- the protections of the supreme court, congress not moving, you move to the state level to ballot initiatives and this is really ground zero, alex. where we are going to be seeing the abortion bite in the short to medium term, i would project. >> yeah, i think you're right. victoria, thank you so much, as always. and for all of you, there's so much more to come. in minutes, coexisting with msnbc analyst, andy glaad on how blue-collar staffers are getting tangled up in donald trump's legal mess. now, we'll ask what msnbc's

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