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midterms, democrats overperformed what we expected because of that push of immigration. we look at various states that have been able to codify abortion law protections, we see that abortion, for democrats now, after the overturning of roe v. wade, is a mobilizing issue. so, this is fascinating to watch as a political scientist. you see that when one road is blocked, -- the protections of the supreme court, congress not moving, you move to the state level to ballot initiatives and this is really ground zero, alex. where we are going to be seeing the abortion bite in the short to medium term, i would project. >> yeah, i think you're right. victoria, thank you so much, as always. and for all of you, there's so much more to come. in minutes, coexisting with msnbc analyst, andy glaad on how blue-collar staffers are getting tangled up in donald trump's legal mess. now, we'll ask what msnbc's hayes brown about his column,
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trump's lawyers couldn't find the bedminster document. now we know why. also, legal analysis on this article about the superseding indictment and its impact. it's all next. ♪ ♪ ♪ a very good they tell you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york, welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin with new reaction from donald trump's latest legal troubles. still making the front pages of newspapers around the country. trump is speaking at pennsylvania tonight, and here is pennsylvania congresswoman, -- from moments ago. >> it is like something out of a bad mafia movie, with folks, to valets, a centrally, moving boxes, hiding boxes, and now, the additional information of once trump and his lawyers or advised that the fbi was preparing a subpoena to capture the videos, videotapes of what was going on there, he added
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another person to the mix. and instructed them, a legibly, under this indictment, that reads so clearly and so damningly, instructed them to erase the surfer. >> well, trump is a defiantly pushing on with his campaign, we're going to have reports from erie in just a few seconds. meanwhile, president biden highlighting strong economic news in a visit to maine, and poking fun at the house gop over impeachment threats. >> well, there's more work ahead earlier this week. the washington post suggesting republicans may have to find something else to criticize me for. all that now that inflation is coming down. maybe both decide to impeach me because it's coming down. i don't know. i love that one. >> a fascinating new analysis on the 2024 race. when you cook political report, suggesting for states will likely determine the outcome. arizona, georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin, and with michigan, nevada, and north carolina. potentially playing a role.
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and 13 candidates are now battling it out for the gop presidential nomination. they converged on iowa friday at the annual lincoln dinner. so, let's first go to marissa parra, who is in erie, pennsylvania. that is where donald trump is making his second public appearance since the new charges. marissa, welcome. i know he spoke last night in iowa. he remained defiant. what are we expecting tonight? >> probably more of the same. we saw the iowa republican dinner just last night. i mean, the former president was most defiance, he was deflected, if and what we saw it was just one day after these new charges dropped, he was still met with raucous applause as he did so. listen for yourself. >> they want to weaponize the irs, just like they weaponized the justice department and the fbi. and by the way, if i weren't running, i would have nobody coming after me. or, if i was losing by a law, i would have nobody coming after me. they wouldn't be coming after me. >> so, interesting.
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alex, we saw the hesitation from his contenders. we had people, 13 different ones, separately, onstage, 12 contenders, including his top rivals. you'll see them on your screen in just a moment there. but you know, these charges, these indictments, you would think would make the former president and easy and vulnerable target. but we only really saw one person take the former president's head on yesterday. former texas congressman, will hurd, he had some strong words to say, including keeper saying that a vote for trump is ushering in the current president, biden, assuring him into the next election. let's listen for yourself. >> donald trump is running to stay out of prison. and if we elect >> i know, i know, i know. i know. i know. listen, i know the truth. but truth is hard. but if we elect donald trump,
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we are willingly giving lee joe biden four more years in the white house, and america can't handle that. >> so, you hear the stark contrast between the applause and of course, the boos that heard was met with when he said those comments yesterday. , and over my shoulder behind me, you could see people have been lined up here for quite some time. so, this rally is coming up at six pm here in erie, pennsylvania. people here have been lined up since this morning. they were facing intense rain and clearly, between charges, federal charges, indictments, strong, weather is not stopping his intents, his supporters here. and we know that this has not been something we have seen in the past. so, we'll see what happens tonight, alex. >> and will count on you to let us know what happens. thank you, marissa, part for that. meantime, trump's new reaction comes after the new superseding indictment at a conspiracy charge, and claims he wanted to delete security camera footage. joining me now, sadie gurman, justice department reporter with the wall street journal.
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we are -- around a, former federal prosecutor and now federal legal affairs common, and emmy, glad princeton university, fencer estimates donald, distinguishing never say die professor an msnbc contributor and analysts. welcome, all. ladies first, hearsay, the so, your latest headline is, how trump's new charges escalate the mar-a-lago documents? case what do you find most fascinating with this new indictment? >> well, what's really fascinating is the conduct that's being alleged here. prosecutors are saying that trump worked with his aides at mar-a-lago to try to have surveillance footage destroyed. so, it couldn't be turned over to the grand jury as part of its case. so, this is really a conspiracy they are alleging here in which trump at a 24 minute phone call with a maintenance man that mar-a-lago. and a few days later, that maintenance man went through the director of i.t. and said look, the boss wants this video footage deleted. what do we do? so, it's just another striking
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chapter in what is a pretty, immunosuppressed, serious indictment. and it should prolong court proceedings, which is also pretty interesting. >> yeah. i always have to say when i hear the boss, i think it's so mafioso. that being said, renata, what strikes you out the manner and the means of the conspiracy laid out by jack smith's team? >> well, i think one thing i think it's very interesting here what we're looking at this conspiracy, is the many different ways in which trump was trying to go around his own attorneys. usually, when someone is represented by criminal defense counsel, they are actually working very carefully with those attorneys to make sure that they are not going to get themselves in more trouble. trump is actually going around them. i think that's going to be that one of the more damning things here, particularly, but comments of having former -- to be used in trial. >> so, given your experience, though, has anyone ever done that to you? you are a former federal prosecutor.
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has anybody got around you, ronaldo, and if so, why? what is the motivation? >> that's an interesting question, so, look, i'm hired across the country. for the last several years, as a criminal defense attorney. i think any criminal defense attorney has a trust to verify mentality with their clients but usually, my clients are trying to stay out of trouble. so usually, they're coming to me, and they're looking for me to solve what they can do. and everything has run through me, and i am the one making the decisions about what we do. >> but do they think that they know better than you do? >> no. in fact, that's why they are paying the a lot of money. they wouldn't be paying me if they thought they could do it better themselves? >> i just told donald trump is totally unique this way. or at least, we'll, whatever. he has now repeatedly, trump, of, course as repeatedly claiming if he wasn't running, he would not be in a criminal investigation. didn't he declared his candidacy after investigations
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already started? >> of course. this is the way donald trump gaslights us, right? he wants to tell us the real motivation behind all of this is political. when we know he declared so early in order to make it political. so, we just have to simply take matters to the word. which is, taking to be lying, as he typically is want to do. and move. on i think this particular superseding indictments is striking. it's has historical echoes, it reminds me of richard nixon's destruction of the tapes. and it's also the latest example in donald trump's ongoing belief that he is above everything, he should not be held accountable for anything. but reading the indictment is extraordinarily strong. >> oh yeah, absolutely. the fbi saying the recovered 100 into classified documents. he is charged with holding on to 32 of them. that newly added top secret document appears to have been in that first batch of boxes handed over to nara, and the indictment says this is the document that trump showed bedminster in july 2021.
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what more are you hearing about this? >> so, that's another particularly striking part of the super indictment. this is the document that, mind you, trump bragged about having well at his golf resort in bedminster. this is the document he said, did you know, this is amazing? i can show it to you, because it's classified. and this conversation was captured on tape. and it's sort of become the backbone of prosecutors, because it speaks to his state of mind. so, trump had said after that that you know, maybe this document didn't even exist, and his lawyer sort of raise doubts about whether he was just nothing. but what this new count shows is that the document does exist. it was at mar-a-lago at one point, and prosecutors have a habit within their tranche of evidence. >> that's a document, let's listen. some of the audio from that meeting and what trump actually says. here it is. >> they presented me with this, they presented me this.
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this was him. this was the defense department, it is -- [laughter] this secret [inaudible] look at this. he said, he wanted to attack iran. you said -- >> you did! >> this was done by the military, given to me. it as president, i can be [inaudible] you know, i can't. >> not, why was this document not included in the original version of the indictment? do you think it might be related to the classification level of it? >> i think it was likely due to the fact that they were 100% sure which document it was, and that's possible. and, now they've sort of figured out and located it. it's hard for me to believe they would reach and assessment at one point, regarding whether or not they want to release the documents, and, then they ultimately came to a different assessment later. given that the strength of the evidence was so high. but i think there may have been some disagreements from exactly which document he was referring to.
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just remember, this document was actually returned to the federal archives. this is one that they actually received, i believe, in january. so, ultimately, you know, i think this is going to be, in many ways, a bigger part of their case, in terms of how strong this is, and a lot of the evidence that we talked about is very colorful. at the end of the, day s.a.t. mentioned, this goes through the state of mind. now if the document, the jury could see the attack plans against iran. they could see with their own eyes, and see how they're referring to it, i don't think there's any way of getting around that with donald trump. >> evidence is one thing. but charges is another, ronaldo. the evidence is that trump showed classified information on other occasions. why do you think he still has not been charged with that offense? >> well, i do think that there is a venue issue there. that would potentially be showing documents at bedminster, that's in new jersey. so, ultimately, that's crime would have to generally, would
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have to be charged in new jersey. their argument is they could try to wrap it into an indictment elsewhere, and make an argument about whether the proper venue has been charged for that particular count. and i just don't think jack smith cease and the reason to take that on. when he can't, you know, right into the indictment, included in here, and ultimately get the conviction on all of these counts. this all these county fall ready put forward. >> i'm curious, andy. when you make of how this shapes out with trump's blue collar employees ending up in a conspiracy charge? i mean, they're facing some serious jail time. and they are forced to make impossible choices here! >> i hope they make the right choice. we see this in the context of chance six, the thousands of people who have been arrested. some who have been convicted. and we see trump still not being held to account just yet. i think one of the things that we do know, alex, is that the investigation is ongoing. we don't know what jack smith has here. and this is just another
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indication that this case is strong. in that donald trump should understand that he's in the crosshairs, as it were. but it's always the case that every day, ordinary people, but this guy needs to take the fall. and i hope they understand that he is not really behind them, and if they stand on the side of justice, as opposed to on the side of the charlotte. >> he always demands loyalty from his employees, or anybody associated with him. but he doesn't always give it back. we know that for effect. sadie, -- supporting the food we are speaking, this maintenance man. he is set to make his first court appearance on monday. what are you expecting there? >> i think this will be a pretty perfunctory court appearance, much like the ones that we saw for walt nauta and trump. he probably will go in, maybe make an appearance, perhaps plead guilty. trump and nauta are not expected to be there. they do have to get their arraigned on these new charges at some point, but the justice department has said it would support having them not appear
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in court for that. we know that when they do appear in court, trump in particular, obviously, this becomes a service, circus like atmosphere. and it gives them essentially another chance to generate a little almost campaign rally, like what we saw when he appeared for his court appearance in miami. so, they won't be there. carlos will. you know, it will be a pretty much box checking exercise at this point. >> yeah. can i ask you guys to give me theresa sink answers on the question of which one is the more damning for donald trump? the one he is more likely to get in the most trouble for? documents or january six and the events leading up to it? sadie, you first. >> i think that remains to be seen. they're very strikingly different cases, and none of it is particularly good for trump, as he is this campaign cycle heats up. >> yes. renato? >> documents, unless cannon, or the schedule regarding the documents bails him out.
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>> eddie? >> both cases reveal his corrupt nature. dances goes to the heart of the night not percy,. elephant charged. yet >> point well taken. okay, safety, renato the, gableman. eddie, you're gonna stick around, we're going to talk about legacy admissions and their impact on non privilege students. that will come later this hour. but first, this is not an aquarium, what you're about to see. you're going to see little fish, their swimming near the ocean reef in the waters of south florida. a water they are in is getting dangerously hot. so, what does that mean for these little guys? we're back in 60 seconds.
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well into the triple digits there. but the heat wave ends in just hours, that is because our severe weather impacting as many as 60 million people today, including on the jersey shore and in atlantic city. we have a couple of reports for you now. we're going to begin with nbc's guad venegas in miami, where right now, it feels like a scorching 100 degrees. actually, that was the last hour. it might even feel worse now, what. but how are folks dealing with this heat? >> alex, the last i checked, or right there at 90, 9100-degree heat index. what i could say is we've got a lot of practice here. it's been about a month of heat in miami. we're hotter than usual heat, because we have hot and humid summers here every year. we have that heat index of 105, so, it's been quite difficult getting through life here in miami, especially in an area where people spend our time. people come to miami to go to the beach, to shop outside, and zion and just do a lot of outdoor activities. of course, you've got far, workers construction, about 100,000 people who work outside just in miami dade county.
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all of them affected by this heat. so today, as you mentioned, about 100 degrees in the heat index. it's still hot, but it's a break from the usual temperatures. we talk to someone who was at the beach today who talked about what it's like. dealing with these temperatures here in miami. >> it gets hot everywhere. but miami heat, it has a humidity factor to it that most other places doesn't. half like arizona, you go to arizona, the heat it's like a pure he. it's a dry heat. but over here, it's a little more humid. for someone who comes from other places, they're going to find this exhausting. they are not going to be able to tolerate to most of the time. >> and alex, we spent some time reporting on the beach in fort lauderdale, just days ago, where i remember one of the workers from one of the restaurants telling me that this summer, they've seen more emts visit the beach to treat heat-related emergencies for a lot of the tourists that come to the beach, because the dangers are there. whether it's a little hot or
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more hot, whether you are in arizona, miami, or in the northeast or mid-atlantic right now, that's getting slammed, there are dangers related to the heat that you don't trick enough water, if you stay in the sun, even amanda, the manager spoke to, the man told me that i'm out in the some 2 to 3 hours, and then i take a break and i go to the ac. so, it's very important for people to follow those guidelines, given by authorities, don't stay in the sun all day long. frank enough water, because the heat injuries, you know, what can happen from the heat, it will sneak up on someone. so, that heat exhaustion can come in, a person could be feeling normal, according to what i've been told by health officials, and within minutes, that heat exhaustion can kick in. so, these are things people have to keep in mind,. alex >> yeah, 100. percent at general reminders overview or, take care of your pets, everyone. don't keep them outside on the hot pavement with their boss. thank you, guad. joining me now, nbc news meteorologist michelle grossman. so, again, welcome to you. what can we expect across the u.s. today and until we get some kind of relief from this terrible heat? >> hi there, alex.
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the good news is, will start there. we do have some relief on the way for some. unfortunately, the south will continue to bake. i'm glad that guad mentioned the danger of the heat, as it is the number one reason for deaths from related deaths. so, we're looking at 107 million people infected. that is that last hour. but last hours 100 to. we're starting to see that number tick up. we are looking from the southwest to the south central states, the central plains, into portions of the mid-atlantic. and also, the northeast under heat alerts. we have excessive heat warnings. we're going to be to the triple digits once again, feeling hotter than that once you factor in the humidity. but take a look at this. you see that blue line? that's a cold front. that is sinking into the south. this is what the relief. so, relief is on the way. it's going to come at a price, with some strong storms throughout the northeast today. but behind this front, we're looking at temperatures below normal. we haven't said that quite a while. in portions of the midwest, great lakes, into interior portions of the northeast, so, 82 degrees in chicago, 77 in buffalo. that feels a little -- like, when you see those numbers ahead. we are still sizzling, we are
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looking at temperatures 103 in wichita, 98 degrees in st. louis, 93 in new york city, factor in the humidity, it feels like 100 degrees, then, tomorrow, that relief comes in the northeast. so, we're looking at temperatures in the low 80s in pittsburgh, upper 70s in boston, 86 degrees in philadelphia. that is below normal for this time of year. we're going to keep it comfortable throughout the week. unfortunately, the south will continue to bake. so, we have a heat wave on land that we've been talking about for weeks and weeks, we're also looking at a marine heat wave. we're looking at 101 degrees, alex, off of manitoba. that is so, so high. this is not just around the u.s.. kate is global. that is affecting our weather patterns. so, this is a big story. it's going to be a big story for months to come,. back to you. >> absolutely. we're going to be talking about again with jeff gordon about what's happening there in the waters later in the show. thank you so much, michelle. the latest census shows 70% of florida's population is african american. so why is ron desantis tightening his grip on eight surely losing message? >>
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was going on behind the scenes when florida changed how we teach is black history. most members of the workgroup a hind those new standards tell nbc news they did not agree with a language that claim developing skills that could be quote, personal benefit. meanwhile, former governor understands defended the mattress unraveled him start another republicans criticize him. >> i would also note, some of those congressman are putting out information that is totally false. you've got to be willing to stand up and fight back against false narratives. and that's what we do in florida, every day. >> joining me now, once, again eddie glaad, university professor, msnbc political analyst. false narrative? do you think it's a false narrative there, eddie? >> what is the false narrative? reporting that there was this outline in the guidelines, saying that slaves benefited from slavery, are false? of course. it's also false that he said
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that there were some skills that they learned as a result of being enslaved but they parlayed into their lives after they were emancipated? that's not a false narrative! that's the truth of what they set and what they did! and they are being held to account! i've had a rocket these folks today, alex. as fighting with christopher ruffo about dei and higher ed. now, this? i mean, we are in the midst of a betrayal and a backlash that is deeply disturbing. >> but here's the question. i mean, why, in 2020, three anytime, of course, could there be a line in curriculum about slaves developing quote, skills that would be used for quote, personal benefit? i mean, these arguments, do you buy any of them by those who supported that notion or phrasing? >> no! i think what it is is it's a feature or an aspect of the lost cause arc, right? and the lost cause argument had everything to do with the civil war and the victimization of
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the south. but ultimately had something to do with how we re-narrate our history. that involve telling the story of slavery, the peculiar institution as, in some, ways some of a benign institution. that wasn't simply defined by violence and objection, that there were good masters and the like. so, like telling the story in this way, right? you don't only you don't have to face the cruelty and the barbarity of the institution, you don't have to be responsible for its enduring legacy. and i think we are in a moment or the nation, at least a certain portion of the nation, really wants to turn its back on our efforts to be a genuinely multiracial democracy, and the responsibilities required. what's necessary, what is necessary to be done in order to be that, so they can double down on this idea that america is a white nation since -- i suppose. it's frustrating. >> there is this really long history of inadequately teaching about slavery in
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america. in fact, as you know, accurate lessons on slavery weren't even taught until after the civil rights movement. in the 1960s! how has that big picture, eddie, undermined and accurate understanding of u.s. history? >> you know, alex, that the court of so much of power problems. once you choose and who you choose to leave out of your stories actually reveals the limits of your idea of justice. if you don't tell a story that includes native peoples, then your mind is out attuned to what's happening to them in your lives. if you don't tell a story where every day, ordinary working people, play central role in making the nation great, then you are quick to dismiss working people. if you don't tell a story about black and brown folk and women, as being kind of full-fledged citizens, actively participating, then you can easily dismissed the. so, part of what we've seen over the course of american history, yacob only wrote a wonderful book entitled teaching white supremacy or
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heat this extraordinary study of high school teaching, the way in which slavery has been taught, right? and shows it becomes a critical part of producing a notion of american identity that is tethered to a notion of whiteness. and so, to say more clearly, alex, we tell a story that allows us to do monstrous things? and if we're going to do a better democracy, we have to tell better stories, so we could be better people. -- to me. >> that says it pretty much very clearly. very simply. let me ask you about what happened this week with the biden administration launching a civil rights investigation into whether harvard legacy admissions policy discriminates against minorities. talk to me about how legacy admissions undermines non privileged students from attending top colleges, and what you hope to come from this? >> so, you look at. when you think about legacy students, parents who have attended that institution, or four times likely to be admitted to that institution.
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then, if you're rich, it's even worse, right? if you are of the richest person, those students are five times more likely to be admitted to these institutions. and think about. it women, they didn't really enter into places like harvard and yale and amherst and for instance. black folks didn't really come in massive numbers in some why. so, what are these legacy admissions benefiting? they are typically benefiting white students, who have privilege, who have access to private schools, and all sorts of other resources. and so it has adarius effect on how you can build a class. so, it has some folks suing because african americans are supposedly taking their slots, they're not paying attention to legacy students, who are 15%, i, think of harvard emissions admitted class? so, i think it plays a central role in reproducing class inequality, if that makes sense. >> let me get back to the money part of it. are you implying, them, the harvard and other universities
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are thinking about their bottom line and in doing so, drawing a line on admitting lower income students? is that what it's all about? >> well, it would certainly changed their development strategy, right? the more students to enter, you admit more, first jen, they're not coming from families that have, you know, long term wealth? so, you have to begin to think about how you are going to continue to raise money for the institution, when you admit students from families who have attended, who are rich, then you deep in the connection of that family to the institution, which allows you to ask those families to donate to the institution. and you have a better chance, a likelier chants, they will actually, in the end, give money to the institution. so, yes, absolutely. it's part of a development strategy. this is important, when you see, particularly for public institutions, right? as state governments have divested from public institutions of learning, as we've seen tuitions, alex, rise
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between 2016 and 2020, by 63%? those public institutions are relying on donor basis. in order to sustain themselves. and you see the skyrocketing tuition that's happening in the impact on low-income brechin brown folk, which leads to student loan debt and a bunch of other things we can talk about. >> yeah. we are going to do so again, any glock, my friends. thank you so. much >> i'm gonna won't waved my hands so much next. time >> that worry. a wave mine all the time. by? running for president will running on empty. the questions about how far the former president can go while his legal problems are multiplying. multiplying. satisfaction, and road-test evaluations... and the results are in. subaru is the 2023 best mainstream automotive brand, according to consumer reports. and subaru has seven consumer reports recommended models. outback, forester, solterra,
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from the latest charges against former president donald trump, including a count of willful retention that focuses on a top secret iran military plan. it is a document trump is heard in a recording showing off during a july 2021 meeting that his bedminster golf club. take a listen. >> well, with nearly, she really -- i'll show you an example. he said that i wanted to be tuck iran. isn't it amazing? i have a big pile of papers. this thing just came up, look. i just found -- isn't that amazing? this totally winds my case, you know. except it is, like, highly confidential. >> yeah. [laughter] >> trump later said there was
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no document, claiming he was showing off newspaper and magazine stories. joining me now is -- former member of the cia, senior intelligence service author and msnbc national security and to tell adjusts analyst. and hayes brown, msnbc daily columnist and editor. welcome,. guys hayes, in a new article, you write trump's lawyers couldn't find the bedminster document. now we know why. how did this document and up in the special counsel's possession? >> so, what's fascinating about this is if you look back at the original indictment with original 31 counts of local retention, this document wasn't among them. all of those documents, they have a charge for how long trump have them. most of them were picked up during the august search of mar-a-lago, when the fbi had the warrant to get them. some of them were from june, went after trump was subpoenaed, his team finally turned over what they claim to us the full amount of documents in his possession. this one, though, when you look at the new superseding indictment, it says january of
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2022. , so it was turned over with the original 15 boxes worth of material that trump turned over to the national archive. so what's fascinating about that is this has been in that big stack of papers that the national archives and the fbi have had in their possession this whole time. at least, that's what it seems like. based on this document. the superseding indictments. , oh i, for one, and curious as to just one exactly it turns up amongst the search, considering that cnn reported previously that in mid march, there was a subpoena from the department of justice to turn over all materials related to iran and to this meeting in bedminster, and trump's team said well, we can't find. it turns out, it was with the national archives and doj this whole time. i'm just very curious about how it got there. but it does mean that because it was in florida, the whole time, that it was part of this trench of documents, that check smith could charge trump with
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holding onto it after leaving office. >> okay, it would be that venue issue i was talking about with -- about that, in new jersey, that could be a venue issues. that said, with you, mark, how significant are the national security implications around this? whether it is a foreign source or an ally that trust us to protect their information, what kind of ripple effect that's violating classified information have? >> well, it certainly has a tremendous effect. let's actually go over exactly what this is. this was the u.s. military war plan for some kind of document, presumably four pages are selected by the joint key of chaff and how we would hear iran. that is not compromised. i think that's the question we should all ask, is has the u.s. military had to change? this and in essence, former president trump put the men and women and the u.s. department of defense at risk in treating the so cavalierly the alexei, bring us another good points, that in, terms of our sources. these are human agents on the ground. these are recruits, presumably,
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iranian military and intelligence officials. we do so with the notion that we keep their identities, keep their information safe, and secret. that is not in question. the final piece is, again, not knowing exactly what's in this document, but our foreign allies provide us with exquisite information on iran. are they going to be willing to trust us? if again, you know, former president trump treated this so cavalierly. there is one thing about, you know, certainly holding him accountable. but remember, he's also running for president of the united states. what it was a second trump presidency do to these foreign intelligence relationships? so, a lot to ponder. here >> for short. what about the new indictment, mark, that it uses trump anti-ways of trying to destroy surveillance video at mar-a-lago to cover their tracks? i mean, trump claims he can declassify information under the presidential records act, but is being accused of trying to destroy evidence cancel out that the fence? what do his actions tell you about his approach to national security overall? >> well, i think he has a tremendously cavalier approach. he obviously thinks he is above
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the law, alex. i mean, i'm going to say that people are going to, laugh from new jersey, my favorite shows the sopranos, and the great justice correspondent you have msnbc said the other day, he can't believe when you read this, it sounds like it's coming out of a mafia movie, renato, and that's exactly what we're seeing right now. things like the boss doesn't -- he wants us to erase the tapes. this is not conduct becoming of but any u.s. government official, certainly not a president of the united states or someone who is running, again, but as we said, he's got himself crossed up. but one thing is, i can declassify everything, but, then destroy evidence, you can't have both things at the same time. >> listen, i referred to as something very mafioso. i said that earlier in the broadcast. so, hayes, trump that was to keep running for president no matter what happens in this criminal case. take a listen to this. >> if, if, going forward, right? you get these indictments, there ends up, you get a jury in d.c., you get convicted and sentenced.
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does that stop your campaign for president? if your sentence. >> not at all. there is nothing in the constitution to say that it could and not at all. >> so quickly, hayes, just and observer that the drives trump as exhausting. it's possible that he wants to win the presidency, and pardon himself, because how far can he take this while dealing with hugely significant legal issues? how long do you think he's going to keep this support? >> i mean, it's hard to tell. we thought the bottomless going to fall out for years now. it's hard to say what, exactly, we'll make that happen. like, he is right that he could be running from jail. its name will still appear on ballots if he wins the primary. and he is convicted, like, it just won't change. so, he is right. so, i can see, though, to your point, you wind up being sentence. you can spend a month or two schilling in jail, then, be released to be sworn in. or maybe he is sworn in in a jail cell. there's no real precedent for this.
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the president and first lady acknowledging for the first time that they have a seventh grandchild. a four year old girl named navy, who their son, hunter, fathered out of wedlock during the peak of his battle with drug addiction. navy's mother, london roberts, a former exotic dancer, settling a years-long fraternity and child support dispute with hunter in the arkansas courts last month. the first couple releasing a statement friday saying, quote, our son, hunter, and navy's mother, london, are working together to foster a relationship that is in the best interests of their daughter. adding, this is not a political issue. it's a family matter. in april, president biden holds a group of white children at the white house. >> i have six grandchildren. and i'm crazy about them. >> the president and first lady proudly displaying monogrammed stockings of family members in the white house each christmas since taking office. including contours for other children, but not his fifth.
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the white house, up until now, avoiding the topic. >> does the president acknowledged this little girl exes grand daughter? >> i don't stephanie and search. your >> republican presidential candidates seizing on the silence, as opportunities to attack the president. >> why don't you spent some time with your granddaughter in arkansas, or at least recognize her existence before you start worrying about our kids! >> the president, who's always made his family a very public part of his life, now asking to preserve this little girl's privacy. , so at this, point it is still unclear whether the family dynamics changed at all, as well as more broadly, how this plays out on the 2024 campaign trail, alex. >> we shall see. allie raffa, thank you. let's take another look at the warming waters of south florida. these fish need the water to be certain temperatures to survive and to what is bad. a long term impact of this, and whether it can be reversed, next. ne
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as the water scientists attack the sdf sitting effects on increasingly warming ocean temperatures. this week around the tip of south florida, water temperatures hit 34, like a hot tub. 101 degrees. that is possibly a global record. joining me now, wildlife conservationists and documentarian jeff core when. jeff, welcome. i mean, 101 degrees in the ocean. i can't even get my head around that. it's south florida, it's one of several regions in the northern hemisphere experiencing this marine heat wave. what does this mean, and how devastating it to the wildlife? >> it's incredibly devastating, alex. good afternoon to you. unfortunately, i wish we had more. but better story to talk about. but this is pertinent. this is catastrophic. so, already, the coral reefs of florida have been under tremendous pressure. so, throughout north america, our only examples of true
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tropical coral reefs are along the southern coast lines of florida. up to what's happening now, alex, we've already lost 98% of florida's coral reef. what does that mean? while aesthetically, they're beautiful, economically, billions of dollars, because people come to witness and experience this incredible ecosystem. but environmental, about 80% of every species of marine fish, of every saltwater oceangoing fish, at some point in its life, has a direct connection to the coral reefs there. so, with the loss of this reef ecosystem, it's utter, absolute devastation. it's catastrophic. >> so okay. this coral bleaching, can it be reversed? is there anything that we can do to fix it? >> great question, alex. so, what happens when coral leeches? essentially, a coral is both an
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animal and a plant. it can filter feed from tiny little things in the ocean, but it also has chlorophyll, and chloroplasts. it can actually generate energy and life from the sun. it stretches out so much that that tiny little micro solar panels called -- gets purged, because the coral is so stressed it can't sustain them. so that's why they bleach and turn white. this is not unknown. we have seen, in other coral reef ecosystem, where they bleach out and they recover. but they were already resilient and robust. but what happens if florida, when you have an ecosystem that is already so fragile, that's already so vulnerable? this cannot survive this sort of devastating blow. this very well could be the straw on the camels back for regional extinction of corals. and the ripple effect will be absolutely huge. because these are our only coral reefs. if we lose them, it's going to
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be absolutely horrible. what should we do? i believe the u.s. government needs to react like they did during the deepwater horizon oil spill off of the gulf of mexico. i covered this, you remember, i covered this for nbc, msnbc. we need to be all front, forward, take this on like the battle of our lifetime. the state of florida needs to step up and protect this ecosystem, because it's about to be lost on the current administration's watch. >> do you worry, with an e -- 80% of the marine life the defense in the coral reef or some point. do you worry we will start to see dead fish? is that what will happen? this beautiful fish? >> my gosh, alex, we are already seeing dead fish. the loss of corals is just one example of this perfect extinction storm that is smashing against florida. these challenges aren't in a
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vacuum. they conspired together. it is climate change, sea level rise. it is a lot of water that is running off unsustainably, into the oceans, containing fertilizers and chemicals. it is habitat loss. essentially, think of the coral reefs. think of the mangroves and the grasses as the immune system of. florida when we lose, it the entire health of the ecosystem collapses. >> jeff, i hate hearing all of this. my dear friend. stay on it. keep on keeping on what you are doing. talking to, us everybody else you, can thank you. that does it for me on this editions on alex witt reports. back again tomorrow, one pm eastern. my friend continues our coverage. story i'm 20 seconds late. sorry, my friend. good afternoon, welcome. in for yasmin vossoughian. aef
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