in the background. the real concern and the u.s., as we've seen, is that a faction was control of a minority of a major party, there is nothing you can do to stop them at that point. either plurality, as we've seen -- >> that, your job is obviously a jen psaki fan it was yelping to say that i actually have to wrap the show. we'll have to continue this later. we appreciate that. steve bannon and zach peacham, that does it for me. thanks for watching. stay right where you are. inside with jen psaki, which said dog as a fan of, starts next. >> donald trump gets hit with even more federal charges. just not the charges we were all expecting. with all eyes on the grand jury and wash into, and the special counsel causes and whiplash by filing a superseding indictment in florida. congressman adam schiff is here

to weigh in on both of the sprawling federal investigations into the former presidents. he's coming up first. plus the chair of the house democratic congress, pete aguilar, on how the party should be messaging around all of trump's legal troubles. later, officer harry dunn defended the capitol, and democracy on january six. alaska how he feels now that an indictment and that case might be right around the corner. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ well a lot happened this week, there's no question. overall, two big things stuck out to me. first of, all week was an extraordinary reminder of just how much legal trouble the former president is in. i mean, it really is something to have everyone on edge, all eyes glued on the courthouse in washington d.c., watching what jack smith is going to do, waiting for an indictment in the investigation in his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. only to have a new separate,

superseding indictment drop in the investigation into his handling of classified documents. all of this is happening within the span of hours. we really can't make the stuff up sometimes. it's about $1 figure on this mountain of lead in trouble, just last, night the washington post came up with a new piece detailing the more than $40 million that trump's political group has spent on legal costs to defend not just trump, but his advisers and others in the first half of this year alone. the first half of this year alone. that's $40 million from trump supporters across the country for the legal bills for him and his circle. just to put a very fine tooth comb on this, 40 million of the five, ten, 20 dollar donations from trump supporters across the country has gone to foot trump's legal bills and illegal bills of people ho helped him. one thing is for sure, those bills are going to keep piling up. the new superseding indictment in the documents case contains three additional charges for trump. one additional defendants, and

a ton of additional details. two of the charges center on obstruction, which we can see in a particularly jarring passage that says that trump and the newly indicted carlos de oliveira request that another trump employee delete security camera footage at the mar-a-lago club to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury. you can't spell it out much more quickly than that. why? according to this brand-new defendant, carlos de oliveira who said to be rain tomorrow, it's because, quote, the boss wanted the server deleted. that is right here on page 29 in the indictment. i think we all know who the boss says, that's pretty clear. given orders to delete security footage is a totally innocent, not at all criminal thing to do, right? that sounds totally fine. the other new charger centers on what is called willful retention of national defense information. this basically means that he held on to documents that he wasn't supposed to have, and

then the case of that now infamous iran documents show them to people he wasn't supposed to show them to. now, i know all of this can be a lot to follow. and indictment in the election interference case still feels and minutes,. trump's lawyers had a meeting with the special counsel's office this week in which they were told to expect one. then out of nowhere is the superseding indictment of florida. this brings me to the other lesson of the week. even when i'd might not feel like, i know we can't necessarily see, it or we don't know the details of what's happening, the justice system is always working. every time jack smith's team makes an announcement, there seems to be a few eye-popping details that no one was tracking beforehand. some of them sound very bobbling to me. there is also a lot going on behind the scenes. as this week showed, we have no idea how much work the department of justice is doing until news breaks. in the meantime, the work is still very much happening. however slowly it might seem sometimes, and there are many times if you will slow, the

wheels of justice are constantly turning to hold people accountable. that's important to remember. this week was a big reminder of that. joining me now is congressman, adam schiff. he was an impeachment manager joined jonnel trump's first impeachment trial and focus on trump's role on interference -- in 2020. he was a member of the house select committee on january six. thank you so much for joining me here. i felt the need to outline what the first impeachment was about because i think sometimes, people forget that there have been so many legal challenges to trump here. i want to start because the numbers in this washington post story we're just eye-popping. the washington post says that $40 million of legal costs for trump was spent by his packs, by his essentially and cities pain for his campaign just this year alone. what was your reaction when you saw that? >> it is eye-popping, but it also shows i think by a powerful metric just how much donald trump's rise in need for presidency is part of a strategy to keep out of jail.

this is all about the hope that he becomes the next officeholder, and he can make all these legal problems go away as the next presidents. he's willing to spend, you know, whatever contributions come his way to represent anyone that is deemed loyal to him. the problem with this is we saw on the january six investigation how trump appointed defense counsel for witnesses in one case, in particular, were suggesting to a witness, hey, you should say you don't remember these things even if you do remember them. it allows the trump defense team, basically, to get there -- >> to control them almost. >> control, them get their stories all aligned, to coach witnesses, to say that they forgot things that they do you remember. so it's problematic from a point of justice point of view. i think that this is what they're trying to accomplish. >> this week, one of the pieces of new details we learned is this, of course, details in the superseding indictment.

you, of course, played a significant, important role in the first impeachment trial for trump. as you look to the details here, and as we're learning more, do you feel this case of obstruction is even more clear than the mueller case? how do you compare them? >> you, know they're both strong in different ways. and the mueller investigation, it was trump trying to fire people like comey, or even threatening to fire mueller to it struck the investigation. it was coaching witnesses to curry's false statements there seems to be a wolf overattention of information and violation of law. then we have construction of investigation where trump is essentially instructing boxes be hidden. then there is an effort to highlight the obstruction by coaching people to distort the security of footage, the video footage. it essentially is cover-up on top of a cover-up. this seems to be a concrete,

specific in a way that goes beyond the obstruction in the mueller report. here, i think the case is much simpler. it's much easier for a jury to comprehend. you know, hiding boxes, the leading security footage shortly's trying to. you don't need a complex explanation for, it it's such powerful evidence of the presidents consciousness of his guilt. >> some of it is not even believable if it wasn't a movie. reading some of the specifics. you've spent so much time working on intelligence issues, especially on the intelligence committee. what stuck out to me is there's one document now that we know they have. we also have the reporting of that. there were 31 other documents, as you've looked through, and there outlined again in the superseding indictment. the details of the level of classification. how concerned are you that some of these documents might even be worse, or more damaging, and then the iran document that we have more details on? >> it's hard to imagine things that are more damaging than,

you know, iran war plans, or the other documents that have been described, or their classifications. what would concern me most as to any of these documents, by reading them, reveal who the sources are of information? if they're human sources, where the technical source of collections. that's the most damaging thing. that requires future intelligence, or lives. some of these documents were kept in a bathroom, or at a stage in the public resort that, god knows who had access to. also, i have to imagine the intelligence committee right now, and for months, has been trying to evaluate what documents are out there that we don't know, that we haven't seen, that they have been destroyed or, if not destroyed, maybe worse, maybe in the wrong hands. >> i want to turn to another case. there's so much to cover. the investigation is trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. there's a lot of tv ratings going on out there. i'm not going to ask you to make a prediction, but we know

former new york city police commissioner and trump ally who worked with -- to try to find this with the special counsel next month. we also know that there are electors that are scheduled to meet. you've rescued these cases. do you expect that they will come out with an indictment before that, or do they need that in order to make this case? >> you, know we're all about blind here because we haven't seen the body of evidence that is the special counsel has, i would imagine that's if the target letter went, out if they had these last-minute conversations, smith is ready to indict. he may just want to dot and, i across the tv, by bringing clark. and he may not expect to get a lot of valuable information, but at least he knows that the other side is -- so i think that it's necessary that the investigation will wait until then. as we've seen in florida, and the special counsel gets new information, there can always be a superseding indictment on these january six charges. by the way, on the january six

charges, these are the ones with what we've all been waiting. for they're the ones with most serious allegations, with the presidents efforts to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. at the outside the wheels, the justice moving slowly, they move very slowly. they appear to be arriving at their destination. >> we'll be waiting. >> i wanted to ask you before i let you go about this impeachment inquiry that kevin mccarthy has been floating out there. i mean, you have led one of these before, and you know the level of detail that's needed. is your sense that he even knows what he wants to impeach the president about? >> now. for a long time, it didn't appear clear that they even knew who they wanted to impeach. did they want to peach marcus, or garland, or maybe joe biden, or maybe somebody else. they seem to be an impeachment inquiry and search of a subject, and certainly in search of evidence. what concerns me is i think mccarthy may open an impeachment inquiry because he thinks that he will lead off

the steam of the craziest in the conference. by doing that, he will set a train emotion that he may not be able to stop. of course, mccarthy isn't thinking ahead. he's thinking how do i keep my speakership for another day, maybe another week. he's not thinking about what he's doing to the contrary, which is, i think, really devastating the country. these faux investigations, and this potential abuse that the impeachment power. >> but it may be hard to stop. that's an interesting thing to watch and no. congressman adam schiff, thank you so much for coming in joining me today. coming up, former top doj official on why that tape of trump waving around a classified document just got much more important. plus, democratic caucus chair, pete aguilar on the plans to fight back against an impeachment inquiry of president biden. later, harry dunn, one of the officers who defended the capitol on january six, on his feelings about another woman indictment. we'll be right back. indictment. we'll be right back.

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revealed its initial indictment of donald trump last month, the were obviously some big surprises. but one of the biggest was something that he was not charged for. specifically, an instance in which trump allegedly showed off a classified documents involving iran to -- not authorized to see it. and one of trump's tv lawyer's was a very eager to point that out at the time. >> all we know is that in the indictment itself, there was no iran documents. just want the american public to realize that, that document that they claim he had, was not part of the indictment. >> will that just got really awkward. because when the superseding indictment dropped on thursday, right there on page 37 in the indictment was a new count against trump. presentation concerning military activity in a foreign country. this is the special counsel stating clearly that trump not only had the document on iran,

but also showed it off. it's also an acknowledgment that the government has the document in its possession. joining me now is mary mccord, former acting attorney general for -- i have so many questions about this document. i want to start with we now know that they had the document. that jackson's team had the document before the first indictment. so why would they not charged in the first indictment? >> well, it could be that they just weren't certain that that document that they had gotten back in the 15 boxes that trump did provide to the archives in january or february, they didn't have the proof that that's the one that he was showing to the two people, the auto biographers for mark meadows up at bedminster. so this tells me, because they're very explicit in these superseding indictment, that that document is the document charged in count 32. they've got a witness, they've got somebody that can say

that's the document. >> so there are 31 other documents that have been listed, we don't know exactly what they all are, though they have levels of classification. is your sense that jack smith's team could go after other documents? or what would be the drawbacks to that? >> so, i don't think at this point they're looking probably to add more counts of mishandling, they have already a substantial number and for each one of those, they have had to negotiate with the intelligence community, the ability to use that document in court. in fact, that could have also been a reason for this document not being included and the original indictment. it could be that they had unfinished those discussions with the equity holder, that would be the intelligence community agency who owned that information. and so, if they add more counts of mishandling, which they could. there's lots and lots of documents that have that permission to use them, and then he would just extend out the trial date. another superseding indictment every time you had counts, every time you add defendants, there's the possibility that

that will trudge the trauma -- >> as interesting and i'm sure a factor. there is audio that we know about, and now they have the physical document. i've heard other legal experts say that now it means that that audio will definitely be used in court. and that before it was possible it could have been -- that they could've tried to pull it out. is that your understanding? and how significant is that? >> i think that even before count 32 was charged, i think there were very good legal arguments for the admissibility of the audio from when he was flashing it around up at bedminster. that's what's called 404(b) epidemic, in reference to rule for a four b of the rules of evidence that allow information to come in, not to prove character or action and conformity with character, but to prove things like motive and intent and knowledge in absence of a mistake. but the judge can keep out rule for obi evidence if the judge thinks that it's progressive value is out range by its prejudice.

here, when it is direct evidence of account that is charged, direct evidence of count 32, there's really no argument that it shouldn't be admitted. so i do think this solidifies the introduction of that taking into evidence. >> so tomorrow, carlos d olivia is such to be a range. as we're waiting for that, what are you watching for and what we see? >> so, i don't think it will be a particularly noteworthy proceeding, i think the special counsel has already said there's no reason for mr. trump or mr. nauta to be there, so it will probably be just mr. de oliveira and his attorney. i suspect you will enter a plea of not guilty, and that will be about it. they'll talk about conditions of release, i expect because mr. nauta and mr. trump or not incarcerated, or detained pretrial, i don't think neither will mr. de oliveira, i think they will impose the same conditions that are on nauta, which is that remember, nauta and trump are allowed to talk to each other about work, and i think the same will apply to mr. de oliveira, but they're not allowed to talk to each

other about the charges or the facts of the case. and that's the thing that's tough to police. >> that feels very hard to police. there's also a report, mary, this morning, or last night, about the amount of money spent by trump's legal team from essentially pack funds and from his campaign to cover the legal fees. one, i don't understand how that's legal, but really, what do you think about that amount and even the use of that? the use of those campaign funds? >> the amount is extraordinary. over $40 million, as reported by the washington post. and i think there are a number of issues raised by this. one is, is this consistent with campaign finance law? or is this a direct contribution to the candidates? i assume they've had lots of lawyers looking over this, because they're not hiding this. the reporting it publicly. the other issues of course it raises, are in paying for attorneys for all of the different people who have been swept up in this investigation, including mr. nauta, including

mr. de oliveira, other conflicts that attorneys may have? and we know, for example, that in, i believe it's mr. nauta's attorney, has at least at one point represented the person who is referred to in the superseding indictment, as trump employee number four. who does seem to be somebody who may be cooperating. clearly you cannot represent a defendant and a co-operator in the same case. attorneys know what their ethical obligations are, or they should, and it's their responsibility to not have a conflict of interest. but sometimes, as a prosecutor, at least when i was a prosecutor, if i thought something was a little bit questionable, i might raise it with the judge so that the judge could make an inquiry of the defendants, and make sure that they're comfortable with their attorney and they're not looking for other council. >> you always give us so much to think about. thank you so much for joining me. coming up, was the january six committee so effective that it even got through to ron desantis? former committee member and

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donald trump over his attempt to steal the 2020 election, it's worth remembering that the house january six committee did a lot of investigative legwork that jack smith's team can use. in her testimony for more than 1000 witnesses, that's a lot of witnesses, and collected over 100,000 pages of documents. the committee also served another incredibly important purpose. they put donald trump scheme on full display for the american people. i mean the hearings averaged 13 million viewers. that is a huge number, for reference, those are nfl numbers. the committee was apparently so effective that it even got through to rhonda santas. >> you said that trump

should've done more on january 6th. like what? >> well look, i think that it's been well documented, his conduct when it first started, how he sat there, he could've obviously lyndon harder. even his own kids were texting saying he needs to do more, he needs to do more. >> from the committee's investigation and hearings to the governor's ears. he clearly watched some of them. sure, we still don't know what we'll see in an indictment, or when it will be. we still don't know what the specific charges will be. we still don't know what jack smith's team has that the committee did not. the american people already are well versed in the broad strokes with the story. the story for democrats is how can they continue to remind the american people about the clear and present danger that donald trump poses to our democracy. joining me now is congressman of california. he served in the january six committee, doing all that important work. he's the chair of the house democratic caucus. sometimes, congressman, it feels like there are so many eye-popping legal details and troubles for trump that it's a

lot to navigate through. when your meeting with your caucus, what argument, what political arguments are you telling them they should make against trump? >> well right now, what we're focused on is using this august recess to talk about the economic success that the biden administration has had in part because of the work that house democrats did with senate democrats in order to help the economy, specific to donald trump. i think that what we laid out on the january six committee was important, impactful. it helped protect democracy. their record should stand up. we're not waiting around for an indictment to say that we are happy with the work that we did, in the report that we put out. i think house democrats, in the country, they can look at that document and say that we did our job. >> i think given all the work that you and other members of the committee did, as your reading this mar-a-lago

indictment about trump's behavior, and the superseding indictment, particularly some of the mob like behavior that he uses with people around him, does that remind you some of the things you uncovered during your investigation into january 6th? do you see a trend there? >> yeah, i think the trend is that the president was at the center of this effort to stop a peach will transfer of power, to look at the insurrectionist, to call them to wash and then to d.c., to tell them that he was going to beat them there. those are the broad strokes of the facts, and the people around him were clearly not helpful. even after that, after all of a sudden, kevin mccarthy said that the former president bears responsibility. that lasted a few days, until it went down to mar-a-lago himself to help out the former president because he, in part, needed his support.

you need trump support in order to count votes, and become leader. >> one of the january six committee hearings i remember well that you lead was about the pressure campaign on mike pence to throw out the electoral count. let's listen quickly to some of your comments from last year, and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> how did we get to the point where president trump's most radical supporters led a violent attack on the capitol and threatened to hang president trump's own vice president? you'll hear from witnesses that donald trump pressured mike pence to adopt a legally, and morally bankrupt idea that the vice president could choose who the next president can be. you'll hear how the vice president, the white house counsel, and others join donald trump that the vice president had no such authority. president trump not listen. >> i mean vice presidents pence 's role here is so important for history, as you just outlined in that hearing. nascar anticipating and waiting

for potential indictments, when it comes to that plan, and pence's role, what are you hoping to learn? >> well i think that jack smith has had the opportunity according to press reports, to hear directly from mike pence. we heard from mike pence's authority, from his attorney, we heard from people around him that they were not able to hear directly from him. our report would've been about the work we would've done, it would've been more complete. if many witnesses from kevin mccarthy, to mike pence, then the story is clear. the president tweeted out that continue to move up the crowd. it ended up with individuals chanting, hang mike pence. this is just who he is. when the former president got backed into a corner, he will do anything.

to avoid getting caught, that's exactly what he did. including threatening his own vice president to not follow the law of the constitution. >> that's such an important thing to remind people up and history. -- this floated this pops ability of an impeachment and terms of president biden. this is for show, this political reasons, you've called it a complete destruction. agree completely. sometimes it's hard to stop these things from moving forward. what is your plan, in the plan of the caucus to push back on that. either publicly or privately, or both. >> we'll do both. this isn't all of the above strategy. they don't have any abets against president biden, this is a complete destruction. when we get back, this is what house republicans have done. they have created a scenario where the most extreme maga republicans in the conference now guide everything that we do. kevin mccarthy can't pass

appropriations bills, he can't pass pieces of legislation without this core group of supporters. he has to do anything that they want, including in, and up to, impeachment. what we are concerned about are the 12 legislative days that remain until government funding ends. right now, it sure seems that we're on a collision course with the government shutdown because the far-right is battling and extreme right. that is where we are today. kevin mccarthy can't control his conference, and they continue to let the most extreme members guide everything they do. that's what's so dangerous about impeachment discussions. >> no question. it's going to be a busy 12 days for you, congressman. thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. coming up, we talk a lot about the perpetrators when it comes to the big lie. i've got a few thoughts to share about the victims. we don't get as much attention. they terrell asked carrie down, who defended the capitol on january six, if he's worried history could repeat himself. we're back after a quick break.

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to overturn the 2020 election, we understand the focus on the perpetrators. the people who are responsible. donald trump and a wealth of his underlings who tried to avert the will of the voters. that's especially true right now as we await an indictment in that case, and we parse through every single detail that comes out.

but as we follow the many threats of this enormous investigation, what often falls through the cracks or the victims that trump left in his wake, as he attempted to cling to power. and there are many. for starters, those victims include the american people. trump attempted to disenfranchise more than 13 million voters. who cast their ballots for joe biden in the seven states that he tried to overturn. had that effort succeeded even in part, trump would have invalidated the 81 million votes biden received across the country. which, by the, white is more than any candidate has ever received in american history. then there's president joe biden himself, who despite the fact, may always be viewed by trump's followers as illegitimate. according to a poll conducted in may, two thirds of republicans still believe the falsehood that joe biden only one because of voter fraud. and that number hasn't changed much in the last three years. the victims of trump's scheme also include countless election

workers and officials, who have been subjected to harassment campaigns and even death threats. just for doing their jobs. ruby freeman was an election worker in georgia, who was forced to pack up and leave her home of 20 years due to repeated threats on her life. both she and her daughter testified before the january six committee about the damage all of those lies caused them. >> i lost my reputation, i've lost my sense of security, all because a group of people starting with number 45, and his ally rudy giuliani, decided to scapegoat me. me and my daughter. to push their own lies about how the presidential election was stolen. >> i don't want to go anywhere, i second guess everything that i do.

it's affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. >> all because of lives. all because of lies. you know, they were election workers who are just trying to do their jobs, and contribute to the political process. and it was all because of lies. and just this week, rudy giuliani himself was admitted that he himself was not telling the truth in this case. that he was not. as much as he tortured these two women for many years, that he was not being honest about what he stated about them. you could also argue that the republican party was a victim of trump's scheme to overturn the election. in the 2022 midterms, almost every republican battleground state who denied or questioned the results of the 2020 election lost. and of course there were victims of the violent insurrection at the capitol on january 6th. that includes the actual

targets of the attack that day. every sitting member of congress and members of their staff, as well as donald trump's own vice president, who came within feet of a mob that wanted to hang him. but it was the capitol police, metropolitan police, and other law enforcement officers who suffered the most direct and severe physical harm at the hands of the maga insurrection. as the dramatic and disturbing body camera video shows, they were forced to engage in literal hand-to-hand combat. they were attacked with bats, clubs, pepper spray, even flagpoles and a fire extinguisher. they were stabbed, stump, and push downstairs. they suffered concussions, cracked ribs, and shattered spines. one lasted i, and five of those officers died in the days and weeks following the attack. one january 6th defendant who was just sentenced to four years in prison was caught on camera that day saying this. quote, death is the only remedy for what's in the capital building. for every single one of those

capitol long forsman officers, death is the remedy. that is the only remedy they get. that is what all of those men and women in uniform were facing that day. so despite what donald trump says on the campaign trail, and once his followers to believe, it's important to remember that he is not the victim here. the victims are the institutions. the people, and the very foundations that have helped sustain our democracy for over 240 years. trump's lies about the election remain a threat, as long as people in power choose to use them for political advantage. capitol police officer harry dunn made that point in his testimony to the house january six committee two years ago. >> when people feel emboldened by people in power, they assume that there right. one of the scariest things about january 6th is that the people that were there, even to this day, they think that they were right. they think that they were right. and that makes for a scary

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it's utterly enthralling and one of the best movies of the century. the attack on the capitol on january six was the violent culmination of a months long campaign to reverse the results of democratic elections. back in 2021, officer harry dunn asked the committee investigating that day to find out who was responsible. he used a very memorable analogy. >> if a hitman is hired, and he kill somebody, the hitman goes to jail. not only does the hitman go to jail, the person who hired them does. there was an attack carried out on january six, and a hitman sent them. i want you to get to the bottom of that. >> you, thank you so much first of all for joining me, for being so outspoken.

you have been such an inspiration to so many people. i wanted to ask you just how you're feeling right now. i, mean we're on the precipice, maybe, we felt this way last, week but it really does feel this way, of an indictment of the former president coming right around the corner. how do you feel about that, how are you feeling this morning? >> i'm doing a lot better than i was on that day, those two years ago. even just looking at that clip, the nerves, the stress, the ptsd was so present. and doing a much better job of being able to cope with it now, even though it's still access. with the looming indictment possibly for january six, it's been, last week it's very anti climatic. you thought it was going to happen on tuesday, then thursday. you know now, we transition to this week coming. up is going to be this, tuesday this thursday? i don't know if that will bring me joy, happiness, peace -- >> even when it happens.

>> even when it happens. now what? you know? >> you mentioned you can do a thanks to help deal with the ptsd. of course you have, that of course anyone who had been there on that day. what are you doing to take care of yourself? >> talking. not shutting up. a lot of times people will suppress their feelings, their emotions. how they feel, that burden, they keep it inside. i refuse to be, to oppress myself. i just continue to talk about how i feel, and what i want. whether anyone agrees with me or not, in this case, i'm happy to know that a lot of people to agree with me, a lot of people are feeling what i'm feeling. i'll talk until my story, even if nobody is listening. >> people are definitely listening. now when we look to the legal sides of this, i'm not a lawyer, i don't think you are a lawyer either. this isn't about that. there is some predicting that while trump can be indicted for

a number of his actions leading up to january 6th, including his efforts to overturn the election, and mislead the public, he might not be indicted for his role in inciting violence on january six. now we don't know, but give me your sense of how you feel about that. >> that would be extremely frustrating. mainly because on january 6th, and the mix of all of that fighting, and those individuals that were storming an attack in the capital, in the police officers, they missed the ball that they told us the reason they were there is because donald trump told us to come here. i mean, i don't know how that goes in court, but they literally told us the reason why they were there is because donald trump sent them. so it would be a gut punch. that's why i'm trying to have the justice department -- they've made statements that we do are talking through court filings. i'm trying my best to not

listen to the noise, to pay attention to what's being filed in the court. until then, it's still hard. you hear it, please don't let that be true. until that happens, i'm waiting patiently, i guess. >> i've heard you say that it's incredibly powerful then one of the reasons you speak out a sphere on mental health, of, course but to prevent this room happening again. i know you've talked as recently as last, year even this year but your fear out this. do you still fear this thing could happen again? >> yeah. donald trump is running for office. he's poised to get the nomination in the republican party. this individual thinks that he didn't do anything wrong that day. what's to stop him from doing it again? he doesn't even understand the constitution. it's scary. it's very scary. you can make up all these anecdotes about why he shouldn't be an office, things like that.

he doesn't see anything wrong with his behavior. i think that alone is the scary part. he has the potential to become the president again, and that is scary. >> you've also been very outspoken on mental health. the need to embrace mental health challenges when you have them. why has that been so important to you? >> so many people suffer with it silently, even when the people who don't suffer it silently come out about it, they're ridiculed full or. even a few months, ago senator fetterman put himself, checked himself into for depression, or i don't know the specific, but it was mental health related. the attacks that he got for someone just asking for help. the way that we treat individuals in this country when they ask for help, it's a pollen. you know, people only care when it affects them, or someone they know, or someone they love directly. that in society, it's

disgusting. i don't know another way to put. it the way we treat each other. somebody asking for help should not be ridiculed, t's, they should be given every single resource that is available to help them heal. >> well it's so powerful because i think in law enforcement, just like many industries, there aren't a lot of people who feel comfortable. you're giving voice to that. have you, and i'm sure was not always easy to do that, have you heard privately from members of law enforcement communities who are fearful about talking about mental health but now feel they can? >> i've had a lot of my coworkers, not a lot, maybe a handful, but even one is just significant to me. they said that they decided to get help and talk to somebody because encouraging them to do so. even if it's just one person, everyone, if everyone in this world reaches one person, then we're all going to be okay. >> especially if you are helping people talk about the

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