>> good evening, welcome to politicsnation. tonight's lead, hotter than july. if you thought july it was a busy, hot news mans, just wait until august. starting this week, all eyes are on courtrooms and washington, d.c. and miami. tomorrow down in florida, two of donald trump's employees will make an appearance at the

special counsel jack smith's team has now charged both with multiple crimes. including conspiracy to obstruct justice. if convicted, they could've face years-long prison sentences. in the district courthouse in washington, d.c., we will be awaiting for another possible indictment in the investigation into trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election. and two new developments today. first, according to the washington post, trump's pack to save america spent about $40 million in the first six months of 2023 covering his legal fees in some others in his orbit. also, an internet for one of the mar-a-lago employees named in a superseding indictments

alongside former president trump said he had not secured a florida-based lawyer ahead of the first court appearance and miami on monday. later on the show, two stories i need you to stick around to hear. one, a major milestone celebrated by one of the biggest black sororities in the country while a black fraternity is moving its annual convention out of florida. calling the state and its governor, quote, hostile. while states such as florida trying to rewrite and erase black history, president biden this week recognize the contributions of black americans whose lives and changed the country. i'll tell you why the proclamation to honor emmett till and his mother made me till-mobley was a national monument, it's a huge deal.

lots to cover, so let's get started. joining me now, california democratic congressman adam schiff. he is a formal impeachment manager during donald trump's first impeachment trial. and was a member of the house select committee on a january 6th. he is now running for senate in california. congressman, thank you for talking with us tonight. now, your former prosecutor, let's start there. i want to start with thursdays developments around obstruction. we learned trump and two employees allegedly obstructed our fourth worker to delete mar-a-lago's security footage. a few years back, the mueller report laid out evidence of obstruction. you and your impeachment colleagues follow that very closely. is there a pattern here?

>> there certainly a pattern. there is a pattern of viewing himself as above the law. that he could do whatever he wants. that the law doesn't apply to him. that he can obstruct any investigation. the evidence in this new indictment is so damning, in the number of ways, it's damning because it eludes to a cooperating witness who is sharing information with the special counsel. it's damning because in addition to what was revealed in the original indictment that trump had these boxes moved. essentially, hid them from the view of the fbi we now learned that on top of that, there was an effort to essentially cover-up the cover-up by deleting security footage this really nullifies any defense trump might have had that he declassified this information or there is nothing wrong and what he did, because these actions show such a consciousness of guilt. one interesting question at the

trial will be whether any of the evidence of this effort to obstruct the investigation by mueller would be admissible as a sort of his modus operandi. now, the councilman will not want to go there. it's powerful evidence. it's powerful evidence. demonstrates a pattern. >> now, when you see trump touring the country still unrestrained, unapologetic, and remorseful, attacking his own party and yet fully supported by most of them. what are your thoughts on that? >> well, it shows that we remain on fries will ground as a democracy. that someone who is alleged to be a serial lawbreaker, who we know seriously abused the powers of his office is nonetheless still the front runner in the gop nomination and most of the other gop candidates won't even criticize him. it shows what a strangle he hailed he has on the base of

the party. as long as that's the, case our democracy is going to be really vulnerable. on the january six committee, we outlined evidence of the effort to overturn the last election to interfere with a peaceful transfer of power. that evidence and more will form the basis of even additional charges coming out of the grandeur ian washington, it's easy. in addition to the mar-a-lago charges in florida. this person with such a history of abuse and lawbreaking should nonetheless enjoy the support of the party. it shows you how vulnerable remain as a democracy. >> what are your thoughts on the political impact of all of these investigations happening during an election cycle? especially if trump escalates his attack against the department and other prosecutors. how trump will react if he is the republican nominee.

loses in 2024. is there anything congress needs to do to protect the democratic process to make sure they are safe elections in 2024 in your judgment? >> there's a lot we can do to protect our elections and to make sure that no future president abuses their power the way donald trump did in his four years. it starts with the passage of voting rights legislation. a need to overcome the filibuster and get that done to prevent people from being disenfranchised. there's also a package of bills that i introduced again this week along with speaker pelosi and many my colleagues called protecting our democracy act. it would essentially legislate the guardrails that we thought couldn't be violated in the past. we found they could be violated. and violated with impunity, as long as the presidents part, are the former presidents party, stuck with him. that put our democracy on a very fragile footing. sadly, reverend, what the

congress is likely to do, because in the house it's in republican hands, not reestablish these guardrails. in fact, what it's likely to do under kevin mccarthy, to try to tear them down further. mccarthy is already attacking the justice department, attacking the fbi. the republican chairs are doing the same thing. people like jim jordan, and that's just breeding disrespect for our institutions. tearing them down. the former president is already laying the groundwork to dispute another election saying the same thing he did in the run up to the last presidential election. if he loses, it must be because of fraud. so, here the american people are going to be the ultimate safeguard. we just can't let that man anywhere near the seat of power. we need to make the results in the election overwhelming as possible. >> now, before we run out of time, we know you are running for senate next year to replace retiring senator diane

feinstein. the latest numbers show you are doing well in raising money. now, we have a lot of black viewers on our show, so, i feel it's fair to ask, what would be your top priority if elected to the senate when it comes to having black americans dealing with criminal justice, voter protection, and in california, in and also around the country? >> my first priority, i think the first urgent priority for the country's passing voting rights because if the foundation isn't strong than the whole edifice of our democracy can come down. for years, now the republicans have made a concerted effort to put obstacles in the way of people's ability to exercise their franchise, and particularly, reverend, put obstacles in the way of communities of color. by closing down polling stations in urban areas, by enacting new stringent voter idea laws meant to disenfranchise particularly people of color. and many many more laws at the

state level and some at the federal level in order to deprive people of their rights. so, my first an urgent priority is to overcome the filibuster, pass voting rights. we also, as you said, we need criminal justice reform. that has to be an urgent priority too. and there needs to be, you know, overlapping areas as well where we make sure that people who have served their time have the opportunity to exercise their franchise and have their rights were stored to them. so, these are some urgent priorities that i would make mine as a new u.s. senator. as a nethank you congressman, m schiff. joining me now is cedric richmond, senior dnc adviser and former white house senior adviser for president biden. thank you for returning to politicsnation, always glad to have you on, mr. richmond. now, let's start with it. and i know that from a president, trump is not at the top of your list of concerns. i must ask you this past

thursday, prosecutors allege that former president trump asked a staffer to delete camera footage from mar-a-lago in an effort to obstruct the federal investigation into his possession of classified documents. what has been the dnc's reaction to this updated indictment? >> well, nothing that the former president does is surprising. i will tell you that we are trying to stay focused on the issues that are facing americans. if the republicans do exactly what we think they're going to do, that's nominated former president trump, and there will be a time and place to litigate his unfitness for office. which i think is clearly evident. you see by the indictments that there is reason for concern.

americans, every day americans are worried about the economy. we have great numbers. we continue to focus on that. the president and vice president continue to meet the challenges and continue to govern so, we will let the justice department and the justice system play out. and we will deal with former president trump. we have a campaign to run. we have a government to run. >> now, the last weekend's continued on woke. florida governor and 2024 gop candidate ron desantis's government implemented a new black history curriculum for students one that says enslaved back people quote, develop skills which in some instances could be applied to their personal benefits and of quote. when asked for clarification desantis said that these

lessons are, quote, factual. and he believes it means that the enslaved were able to parlay scales, use during their bondage for their own benefit later in life. i'll remind my audience that you are from the south, cedric richmond. and you served in congress as a member out of louisiana. you are also chair of the congressional black caucus. and you attended more house college. and light of your background standing in leadership, what are your thoughts when you hear statements like this. >> first of all, the climax of foolishness. it's an ignorant statement. the problem with it is, it's willful ignorance. -- extreme part of the republican base. and that's what's so scary. criticism, the republican party

has been quiet on it. it shows you how -- out of touch they are. i would say, reverend [inaudible] let's not be confused. we can call it a war on woke. we can call it a culture war. it's not that. this is just pure and blatant racism in appealing to a part of the party. the sad part is republican candidates think they have to do this in order to get the nomination. it's a race to the bottom i just think that it's totally unfortunate that none of the other republican candidates will outright criticize ron desantis for doubling down on this ignorance. >> now, on friday, president joe biden delivered remarks regarding the economy. pointing out recent successes and that inflation has been cooling off.

the past in recent polling indicates that voters trusted republicans more than democrats regarding the economy. what can be done to change that notion? well, we have to go tell that story. we have to tell it over and over again so people will get it. consumer confidence now is at a two-year high. almost 75% of the people living in this country are satisfied with their financial well-being. . and job satisfaction is at a record high. so, when you think about all of those things, it shows that people in their personal life are pretty optimistic about the progress and where they are. the worry comes in when you start talking about the future economy and that's partly the chaos that is created by republicans and the constant desire to want to cut taxes for

big corporations while you continue to threaten medicare, medicaid, social security, all of those other programs. what we see, especially when you look at inflation, if you look at gdp, beating expectations, the economy is moving in the right direction. it's now our time as a campaign and as a dnc to go out and tell americans exactly where we are. and bidenomics is working. it's working for them. that's the big difference. >> before i let you go, on thursday, congressional black caucus members criticize the alabama legislatures, new congressional map as a, quote, shameless attempt to limit the voting rights of the states black residents. this came after alabama's republican led legislature recently re-drew the states map

under orders by the supreme court. a right-wing supreme court at that which had ruled that black residents were illegally underrepresented. i wanted to remind our viewers that democrats need to flip just five house seats in 2024 and that election to take control of the chamber from republicans. now, what has been your take on this? will this be something that can energize voters in many states to fight back this states rights mentality that would, in many, ways not even listened to the right when supreme court on the question of disenfranchised black voters in alabama? it should be something that americans, especially middle america, especially african americans and of course democrats, we value the right to vote. it is the right that all other rights fall from. if you look at alabama, they are basically thumbing their

nose at the supreme court, ignoring the decision. look, reverence, i think their goal is to delay, delay, delay. get past the next election. it was clear. the alabama ruling has ramifications in louisiana. we are 33% african american. we only have one out of six congressional seats. if you look at mississippi, that's over 40%. it only has one congressional seat. the alabama ruling would play out and create more african american districts throughout the south. you see this fighting back. unfortunately. it's not new. we unfortunately, it's not unexpected. but it's one of those things that i think people should rally around. and talk and make a campaign issue. and we certainly will. >> all, right thank you cedric

richmond for being with us again. coming up, a mother's love galvanized a nation, nearly 70 years ago after the break. i will show you how a new initiative is rising to ensure emmett till's legacy lives on. first, my colleague richard lui with today's other top stories. >> rev, very good sunday to you. july 2023 is set to be the hottest month on record according to the world meteorological organization. severe thunderstorms overnight brought relief from the heat to parts of the east coast, the southwest is still facing the scorching temperatures with phoenix for instance facing its 31st day over 110 degrees. thousands of protesters in support of the queue in niger marked through the capitol today, many were carrying russian flags. some were attacking the french embassy.

moments ago, the u.s. nbc advised that u.s. citizens to shelter in place and to limit unnecessary movements around town. many west african states denounced the coup. they're calling for the release of the president of niger following an emergency meeting. and nbc news confirmed at least 55 people were killed in 135 injured following a suspected suicide bombing in northwestern pakistan today. a religious political party organized a workers convention where that explosion take place. the injured some in critical condition were transported hospitals. more politicsnation with reverend al sharpton right after this break. ♪♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. ♪♪ sometimes jonah wrestles with falling asleep... ...so he takes zzzquil. the world's #1 sleep aid brand for a better night sleep. ( sfx: ding, ding, ding.) so now, he wakes up feeling like himself.

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signed a proclamation to honor emmett till and his mother made me till-mobley with a national monument. ceremony came on what would've been emits 82nd birthday, tributes will be built at three locations. one and chicago, where emmett was born, and laid to rest, another on the banks of the tallahatchie river in mississippi where his body was found after he was tortured and lynched in 1955. at just 14 years old for allegedly whistling at a white woman. the third outside the county courthouse where tales killers were acquitted by an all white jury. it was because of his mother's activism that emmitt did not die in vain. she brought her sons mutilated body back from mississippi to chicago and opened the casket to show the world how they beat

her son. the moment helped launch the civil rights movement that galvanized the nation. it -- had not done what she did, we don't know if rosa parks, dr. king, others would have had the same opportunity to push further in the fight for justice. i find it troubling, but not surprising that in 2023, we are once again locked in a fight for the right to tell our stories as black americans. the politicians and administrators who want to find similar linings in slavery or banned books and lessons that might make white students uncomfortable are trying to cover up reality because they fear its power to change hearts and minds. mamie till-mobley never stopped speaking her truth even well into her old age. we were together at national

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where a fulton county district attorney fani willis may charge trump for his efforts to interfere in the states election. amid the mounting legal woes, the washington post reports that trump's political group spread more than $40 million on legal costs in the first half of 2023 to defend trump, his advisors, and others. trump's gop challengers, challenger will hurd, raised the point on this morning on meet the press. this listen to this. >> donald trump, all he's doing is litigating a past election. when people start to learn that when you give money to donald trump, it's going to pay his lawyers, three out of $4 that -- is going to pay for his legal fees. people are starting -- even folks the republicans have been voting for donald trump twice, recognizing that this baggage is hurting him, it's

going to hurt him in november. >> do you agree, and will this report start to change the minds of trump's supporters? do you agree with will hurd, and do you think that it will start to change some minds of trump supporters? >> >> reverend, all of this proves the theory that donald trump's campaign, the third campaign for president, is nothing but part of his criminal defense strategy. trump is using his candidacy to draw sympathy to accuse the government of going after him for political reasons, and he is using this candidacy to pay for the cost of his legal defense, which is extreme lee expensive given all of the controversy and cases that involve him. will republican primary voters wake up to this? it is too early to tell. it will be up to the other candidates in the race, the tim scotts, ron desantis's, nikki

haley, and others to convince republican primary voters that donald trump is not fit for office. that donald trump is very unlikely to win in a general election. whether they have the courage to do that remains to be seen. whether they can do it effectively remains to be seen. they are the only ones who could potentially change the minds of republican primary voters. otherwise, republican primary voters and the party at large are going to remain stuck in this trump trap, where they elect trump and people align with him in primaries. and then trump and those candidates can't win general elections. >> let's turn to trump's event last night in erie, pennsylvania. he had this to say. >> every time the radical left democrats, marxists, communists, and fascists indict me, i consider it a great badge of honor. i do. it's a great badge of honor.

i am being indicted for you. i never forget that our enemies want to stop me because i am the only one who is going to be able to stop them. >> trump was also lashing out at republicans in congress, threatening members of his party to pursue investigations against democrats or risk losing their seats. what do you make of trump's messaging, and why some of his supporters are buying into this? >> reverend, it's a continuation of the rhetoric that paved the way for the insurrection on january 6th to happen. this combination of lust and vengeance, and anger, misplaced at our political system, misplaced at the structures of our entire governing institutions. once again, he is going back to that january 6th playbook of trying to incite violence. make no mistake about it, we learned after january 6th that it's not just words, it's not just rhetoric, that his die

hard supporters, they see what he says and treated as marching orders as a directive. when he says that his enemies are the ones that are trying to hold him accountable for the crimes that he has allegedly committed, he is talking about the entire judicial system. when he says that i am the only one that can stop that, he is telling everybody that if he doesn't get his way, they should raise of arms against the institutions of that government, just like they did on january 6th. >> carlos, this coming friday, a new job report will be released. this, as june was the 30th consecutive lump of job growth, plus the federal reserve no longer expects a recession this year. this might mean the republicans will have to switch up their strategy on biden's economy, heading into 2024. the washington post writes, quote, these developments have led republican analysts to begin early discussions about

whether or how the party should adjust to a tax on biden to account for the new economic reality. and quote. with the economy doing well, how do you see gop candidates shifting to go after trump? after biden. >> it is going to be a lot tougher. but it probably means the campaign is going to be much more personal than we would've anticipated. i think that we are going to see republicans going after the biden family, trying to make the case that the family is corrupt. -- but [inaudible] because with inflation and the economy improving, it is going to be a lot tougher for them to make those arguments that do have broad appeal. reverend, i remind you that in november of 22, inflation was near an all-time high. the economy was not doing great. and yet republicans underperformed. why? because of donald trump and his

movement. even if republicans still have the economy and inflation, if they can't get out of the trump trap, it is still going to be very difficult for them to win swing states and swing districts that they need to win the presidency to keep control of the house, and to maybe gain control of the senate. >> kurt, as of now, the seven gop candidates expected to be on the stage august 23rd in milwaukee for the parties first presidential debate of the 2024 cycle. those who have qualified so far donald trump, ron desantis, tim scott, nikki haley, -- chris christie and doug burgum. noticeably missing from this list is mike pence. how significant is it that pence has not made the cut yet? but >> it is pretty stunning

when you think about the most recent republican vice presidential nominee, the former vice president himself, he can't even qualify to get on the debate stage. it goes to show that pence positioning of himself as not really standing for anything, not standing by trump, not standing by those that tried to hang him on january 6th, not willing to take a stand definitively against them. he's just in no man's land. you cannot be in that space and expect anybody to rally behind you. you can't be somebody who is not willing to take a position on the hard issues. and to speak out with force and with determination, and expect people to choose you over these other cult personalities. whether donald trump is on that stage for the debate or not, at this point it doesn't even really matter. if all of these candidates are up there, reverent, and they are too afraid to actually call out donald trump directly, not to tiptoe around it and use loose words, but to actually

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politicsnation. it is convention season for many of the nations black greek letter organizations. while some of the so-called divine nine are celebrating milestones, they are also responding directly to red state policies, pioneer to recently by governor ron desantis. as one bike fraternity protested this week, increasingly hostile to the black community. the aftermath of last month's supreme court decision dismantling college of formative action has historically black schools both embracing and just bracing for

an expected flood of new students. joining us now, but elsie cook homes, president of delta sigma data sorority incorporating. miss cook holmes, thank you so much. it's an honor to have you join us. delta sigma, just celebrating 110 years, holding its 56th convention last weekend in indianapolis. i was happy to see vice president harris addressed the crowd, and of course, -- but i was also pleased to see among the honorary inductees announced, my friend msnbc's president rashida jones, receiving honorary membership in part for becoming the first black woman to run a u.s. national cable news network. she joined another black woman

media executive, and my longtime friend, debra lee. of course, or first black woman supreme court justice ketanji brown jackson. >> >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. you've done your homework with our honorary members. we are excited to have seven of them, including the ones that you just mentioned. yes. >> and what would you say was the unifying theme for all of the years inductees? >> this year's inductees are a stellar class. many of them are firsts, and their respective professions. you mentioned several of them in addition to rashida jones, in addition to justice ketanji brown jackson and deborah lee. we also had -- a president of warner

television group. we had barney jenkins, the undersecretary of arms control and security with the department of state. we have phyllis newhouse, a philanthropist, an entrepreneur, and investor. we have to micah -- breaking record after record in the wnba. in addition to the three again that you already mentioned. the unifying force is really that they not only are first, but they are all in their own ways have given back to the community. they care about the issues the delta cares about. we have been on the front of social justice since 1913. they really care about the issues giving back to the community. providing service to the community as well. as well as fighting for the rights of our people. >> let me go back to where you said, since 1913 you've been on

the frontlines at the delta of social justice. well you celebrate this milestone as delta, i would like to hear your thoughts on the oldest black grid bitterness -- announcing that it would withdraw the convention from orlando. the statement from the group, calling the florida -- calling florida quote, hostile in the midst of several racial controversies in the state under this administration. most recently is new black history standards. alpha faye alpha said that they have expected the convention to bring nearly $5 million into florida's largest cities. they joined kappa alpha psi, second of those black fraternities in condemning desantis policies. where it is the divide nine fit into black america's political

challenges right now? >> in terms of the political challenges, one of the key things that we are fighting at this point is around the policies in florida trying to erase our history. the policies in florida that are trying to highlight and give revisionist history, if you will, with respect to slavery. and it being a benefit. the policies that really in some cases, we feel make it dangerous to be in specific places. and so we as a divine nine group, all nine of us certainly have issued policy statements. each one of us did in our own respective areas. delta has won, all the other organizations, we issued a joint policy statement.

i can certainly speak for delta sigma, and that we said -- i think that all of our organizations, not only stand with them, but initially still with the naacp, when they recently called for the boycott. i'm actually in boston now, attending the and say -- and so the two things i want to say about it are -- if there are opportunities to be able to pull conventions out, we certainly stand with alpha. everyone is unfortunately not able to do that. in some cases where they are not able to do that, we still feel like it's very important to make sure that the dollars are being spent with black businesses there so that the wrong people or not impacted by not going to the states or even if organizations do have to go, or if our individual members have to go, that they make a statement with their dollars and make a statement in every

place that they can be with respect to the school board, all the way up to the state legislature. >> all right. >> and so those are the other areas. >> we are going to have you back talking about affirmative action and other things. and you in the divine nine have been online with martha -- and the bunch on washington, orchestrating, being supportive, we appreciate that. >> we are all mobilizing. we are all mobilizing. >> we will see you there. i want you to preach a little bit. cook homes, president of delta sigma thida sorority incorporated, thank you for being with us tonight. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. stay with us. remember the pain? cancelled plans? the worry? that was then. and look at me now. you'll never truly forget migraine. but qulipta® reduces attacks, making zero-migraine days possible. it's the only pill of its kind that blocks cgrp - and is approved

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