really is us against them. that is obviously trump talking, not me. interesting stuff. ben collins, as always, my friend, thank you, sir. appreciate it. that wraps it up for me, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian, i'm going to be in the chair this friday for chris jansing 1 to 3 pm eastern right here on msnbc. i'm also going to be back in my chair, as usual, saturday and sunday's two pm eastern. symone starts right now. ern. symone starts right now. >> greetings, everyone, you are watching symone. attorneys for former president donald trump are busy, trying the 2020 election case in the court of public opinion. even saying, trump -- commit a, quote, technical violation of the constitution. that is not really a crime. will their defense arguments hold up in a court of law, though? we are asking our legal experts about that and the potential charges against trump coming in georgia. and delay, deny. the judge presiding over trump's election interference case says, the defense cannot have more time to respond to a protective order or request by

the special counsel. this is the first signal that delay tactics will not stand in her honors courtroom. plus, congressman colin -- is on the ballot in texas. he's vying for senator ted cruz's seat. how he plans to impact his -- democratic rivals. i am symone sanders-townsend and i have something to say. ♪ ♪ ♪ by this time tomorrow, donald trump's attorneys will be up against a five pm deadline. the judge in this case could be setting the tone for what is ahead. this election interference trial. the first major decision of the case, judge tanya chutkan denied the trump legal team's request for an extension of the deadline to respond to the government's proposal for a protective order. appointed by former president barack obama in 2014, judge

chutkan has handed down at least 38 sentences stemming from the january 6th insurrection. 19 of those sentences were harsher than penalties requested by the justice department. the protective order proposal shelby considering would limit the trial information that donald trump and his attorneys could share publicly. that deadline is tomorrow at five pm. the clock is ticking, okay? now, in case you think this is just a bunch of legally -- or some boring administrative move, i want you to consider the past week. this morning, trump insisted judge chutkan knows she is, quote, incapable of giving him a fair trial, called the special counsel deranged. he's continued to lie about the results of the 2020 election and friday, threatened, in a truth social post, cited in the governments protective order, request, quote, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. soon, donald trump and his legal team will have access to materials the prosecution intends to use in court. these are materials that will include personally identifying information, materials from

government entities, steeled search warrants, grand jury subpoena returns, and even more. these would be interested to a man who is already been indicted for playing too fast and way too loose with our nation's top secret documents. a man who once broadcast the personal phone number of a sitting united states senator who criticize him. under the special counsel's proposal, donald trump can request to modify the protective order anytime. trump's lawyer, john lauro, he's painting this protective order as a justice department effort to conceal facts of the case from the american people. >> i am shocked that all the news media outlets aren't protesting what the government is trying to do. they are trying to say that we have discovery that is not sensitive, but we don't want the press to hear about it. and mr. trump, our team is saying, president trump is saying that if there is evidence out there that the government has that is exculpatory or informative, then the press has a right to know. >> all of a sudden, donald

trump and his attorneys are the champions of the free press. okay. y'all, the justice department is arguing that the lack of a protective order could have a harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect their administration of justice in this particular case. now, comments fired off on a former president social media platform that could influence potential jurors. they could stoke threats and violence against witnesses. and they could further undermine accountability. as well as the public faith in the rule of law altogether. now, before his twitter exodus in 2021, donald trump tweeted the phrase, law and order nearly 30 times. he invoked the slogan in his rallies, in his campaign materials, and on the social media. when it comes to law and order, that applies to him, oh, well a former president seems to prefer chaos. i want to bring in msnbc contributor, katie benner. she covers the justice department for the new york times. she is an award winner, y'all. carolinas also here, former federal prosecutor and current and residency legal analyst,

and independent journalist george teeny. he's been subpoenaed in the grand jury investigation, led by fani willis, the district attorney, in fulton county, georgia. thank you all for being here. carol, this exchange between trump attorney john lauro and my colleague, chuck todd that happened this morning on meet the press about what trump asked mike pence to do on january 6th, i want you to listen to this because i found this very striking. >> he said, the president asked him to violate the constitution, is another way of saying, he had -- >> he never said, no, that is wrong. that is wrong. a technical violation of the constitution is not a violation of criminal law. that is just plain wrong and to say that is contrary to decades of legal statutes. >> a technical violation of the constitution is not a violation of criminal law? i need help, carol. technical? >> well, i don't think that

john lauro was really prepared for that question and he didn't really know quite how to answer it. i mean, there are criminal statutes, but if you don't follow the constitution and that is demonstrated and proved in a trial, that is a problem for, especially the former president. and so, or one who actually did these actions while he was president. so, no, there is no real substance to that statement,. but it does show you that whole exchange shows you the difference between trying a case in criminal court and trying a case in the media, which is what john lauro is trying to do right now. >> and, okay, you know, judge chutkan, she denied the trump team's request for more time to respond to the protective order that i laid out. i'm wondering if you could just, carol, very quickly, walk us through what we can expect to happen by five pm on monday. what are we looking for? >> right, what's happened here is that the prosecution, the

government, jack smith, made a motion for a protective order. that is to say, when discovery or evidence is turned over to the defense by the prosecution, he's asking that they be prohibited from making that public, disclosing it publicly for lots of reasons, which you earlier articulated, including chilling witnesses from testifying and other fair administration of justice reasons. now, protective orders are par for the course. they happen in many, many cases, both criminal and civil. and what the justice department said is, we've been trying to negotiate with them. the scope of the protective order. we can't come to an agreement, so this is what we are asking for. the judge gave them until monday, they gave trump until monday, to answer the department of justice's motion for a protective order and john laurel has come forward and said, we need more time. he really does not need more time. this is not a complicated issue. this is not an issue that -- taken by surprise, as i said.

it happens in almost every case. again, i think what we are seeing is what we are going to see going forward. it's going to be an effort by the defense to delay the trial, delay the proceedings, and an effort by the prosecution to move it as quickly as possible. >> you know, katie, you cover the justice department. you know, i think, these issues very well, you know the players. i am wondering what maybe folks are saying privately about the fact that donald trump's legal team is saying, they need more time for all of these things. delay tactics, that judge chutkan has now denied, but also they preemptively said, you know, they are going to need more time before trial here happens. yet, trump's lawyer, john lauro, time to go on meet the press. he's been on every other major network this weekend doing the full -- this morning. he's been on fox, he's been on cnn earlier in the week. what are folks in the justice department feeling about the fact that they are actively kind of laying their case out on television, but saying they need more time in court?

>> i think that inside of the justice department -- really surprised by this and at the end of the day, really is up to the judge and what the judge does with everybody's briefing materials. so, the justice department feels that it's put out a strong argument why, for example, you know, donald trump's team needs to agree to the terms of protective order or have the judge assigned those terms. they're hopeful that they're going to have a judge who will keep to a schedule, want to move the case forward, and, you know, whether or not they're not going to probably argue about whether or not some of these lawyers on television. that is sort of beyond the scope of whether what they're arguing on court or what they might care about. but only something that's noticed by them and notice by the judge as well. at the end of the day, though, they feel that their job is to make their best case in court and in their legal filings, and see what happens. >> okay, what about donald trump's posing on his social media site about mike pence, about jack smith, even about judge chutkan and specifically this if you go after me, i will come after you post. the prosecution cited it in the

protective order requests. you know, do you think this was a move by jack smith's team that's kind of the first warning to donald trump that you just can't say what he wants? obviously, you know, the justice department has said, they will speak to their court filings. >> certainly, the justice department wants trump's team and the judge to know that they have noticed these postings and they've noticed what donald trump is saying in public. what we are going to see happen now are sort of two things. one, on a political front, already some of these comments are people contradicting what he's saying. so, mike pence came out and he in fact, the world should know that donald trump is asking me to put him over the constitution in my oath -- that is the fact of what happened. so, the sort of public opinion war that donald trump is waging, there are other players who will probably come out and say that he is wrong, and then when it comes to what's happening in court, if donald trump does something like say, violate protective order, not only by releasing information the

justice department specifically calls out things like the names of witnesses, grand jury materials, et cetera. if he starts to put out, for example, the names of witnesses in an attempt to smear them or get his supporters to attack them, you know, he could be held in contempt. now, usually what you might see is a warning. but if he continues to do it, he could be fined, he could be put in jail. what we know judge chutkan is that she wants this to go fairly, she wants this to go smoothly, and she's probably not going to put up with things like threats to witnesses. >> you know, george, let me bring you in here and i just don't know if y'all caught my show yesterday, but my theory is the case here is that this is, the justice department has brought a case here that is about conduct, not about free speech. and i know that, you know, donald trump and his lawyers want to talk about free speech, but the indictment, very clearly, black and, white lays out this is about conduct. i want to talk about these charges of the fraudulent slates of electors, george. can you just give us a bit more insight into what the special counsel's alleging here? based on what you witnessed in

georgia, yourself, on the -- 2020, when the fake electors actually met? >> so, i think the question here is whether or not donald trump was acting in concert with others. and to what degree, it wasn't just donald trump's misconduct that we are looking at, but we are looking at the misconduct of dozens of people in many different states. in georgia, there is a question about whether or not fake electors had met at the behest of his campaign, in order to sow confusion in the process that they had hoped mike pence would take advantage of. like, we live in a very strange moment in history, and i think that that requires a lot of judicial oversight. >> george, you are an interesting person here because

while we're focused on this process in washington, d.c., and the federal government's case, the department of justice, there is something happening in georgia. we are all standing by to see what fani willis does. you actually were on call to appear before both of fani willis's grand jury sometime between august 7th and august 31st. what can you tell us, if anything, about the timing of your potential appearance or even some potential charges against trump in fulton county? >> let's start with this. i would like to be less interesting right now. i would like to be a journalist who writes things and people read them, and then maybe they act on them. i'm a talking baked potato who's out of his depth in a lot of ways, when it comes to, you know, having to be a witness in front of a court. journalists should not be appearing in court, in front of grand juries.

i think that creates, like, a very serious problem, in terms of its potential for abuse. and i would not be here if it was for anything other than that. that said, you know, it's a job. this is a moment. i think we all have a responsibility to democracy, to act in its interest. >> i agree. i agree, george. we have more to discuss, so the three of y'all are going to stick around because there is a lot to unpack here. including what it means that jack smith charged trump with that fourth count, conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted. we are also going to get into how racism and the kkk are a big reason that the statute is on the books today. we are also going to unpack the very big question, should the trial of donald trump be televised? all that is coming up next right here on simone. right here on simone.

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trump indictment. the special counsel's allegation that former president trump committed a crime against individual americans. he wrote that the defendant conspired, quote, to injure, oppress, threaten, and intimidate one or more persons in the free exercise and enjoyment of a right and privilege secured to them by the constitution and laws of the united states. that is the right to vote and to have one's vote counted. that hinges on a civil rights law adopted in 1870 and initially willed it against the klan, the kkk, y'all, for keeping newly emancipated black people from exercising their right to vote. now, it has been used to indict a former president. something that congressman benny thompson predicted when i spoke to him last week. >> i actually sued the president right after january

6th, and i use the ku klux klan statute that talked about how you could not impede government. i would not be surprised if some of that same statute is applied to this situation, from the department of justice. we can't allow any individual organization to stop the peaceful transfer of power in the greatest democracy in the world. if you do lose, there are some alternatives available to you. you could actually count, you can go to court. there are no [inaudible] you cause an insurrection against that government. we are a better country than that. >> i would legal panel is back with us. george, i want to actually pick up where you left off before the break. you said, we all have a responsibility to democracy to act. you were just doing your job, which i absolutely agree. and you witnessed the fake elector scheme that was laid out in this latest indictment. i am wondering just how

important, because we are talking about issues of democracy, the bedrock of free and fair elections in america. how important is this particular count, in the indictment? >> so, let's be clear. like, what i'm looking at in georgia has not been indicted yet. it looks like it might go in that direction because people have had immunity dealing with -- so far, but we are having a grand jury meeting. >> right but i guess george, i'm sorry, i just want to clarify. in the special counsel's indictment, that is laid out. so, that's what i mean, how this statute that was used to prosecute, to hold the kkk accountable. that is my point. >> so, i know that there are these sort of right-wing voices in the world who are saying that this is some sort of ancient misappropriation of the law, and i think that it is almost exactly the perfect application of the law.

you had, like, lawless action in groups that led to lynchings, and this is why, you know, anti clan act is about preventing. i think there is a similarity between behavior of lynch mobs and the behavior of what we saw on january 6th. i think the analogy is important there. we will see. >> carol, let me bring you in here because john laura, he said a lot today and one of the other things he noted is that donald trump actually believes, quote, in his heart of hearts that he won the election in 2020. that he was following the advice of counsel and therefore, he didn't have a criminal intent. again, this is about donald trump's conduct, not his free speech. how much weight are you giving to the defenses argument here? >> look, that's why we are having a trial and i think jack

smith laid out, in a very long indictment, it's 45 pages, he laid out all the reasons why there is evidence that donald trump did not believe that he actually won the election. that is very important. jack smith is going to have to prove that in court. as far as the advice of counsel defense goes, that's when you say, well, i just believe my attorneys, what jack smith did was he charged all those attorneys, i think, that mike pence referred to them as crack pot attorneys. he charged all of them is codefendants. you know, just because you are an attorney does not mean that you never violate the law. so, it's going to be a factual finding for the jurors. they are going to have to determine whether or not donald trump really believed that and or whether he either did not believe it, or whether he was in reckless disregard of the truth when he took the actions that he did, to undermine the proper counting of the electoral votes. >> katie, this is obviously a case that is of grave interest

to lots of folks. everyone here included. this is a point where house democrats and actually donald trump's legal team seem to be in rare agreement. and that the trial needs to be televised, despite the rules prohibiting it. that is what they say. you see the special counsel's team getting on board with that, given all of your reporting on the justice department? , >> i mean, it will ultimately come down to what the judge says. i can see an argument for the justice department not wanting it to be televised, because it's not often done. it will create a circus like atmosphere. so, the department really, really stresses wanting more than anything to abide by the existing rules. there are a lot of arguments to be made for televising this hearing. i think they are good but i think it's interesting what you point, out both the press and the legal team in a variety of other constituents are often in disagreement. they've on agreements if they wanted to be televised. i think it speaks to who -- reasonable expectations for

what that will do for public discourse. there is hope that is if it's televised, everybody will have the same narrative. we can finally get on the same page. people cannot believe the same thing again. i think what we've seen with things like january six, which was televised, and you can pick and choose from that footage until almost any story that you want. so, while i believe in greater transparency and i believe that media companies and several other people will want to see this televised. i think we need to have reasonable expectations for what that will yield. will it yield greater transparency for some and others other abilities and died at the apple to manipulate images and tell a story that they think benefits their people. . >> this is why katie is no word-winning journalist thank you all very much. >> up next, former vice president mike pence apparently found his find recently. the political panel breaks down the practical stance he just

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republican presidential candidates now that donald trump has notched his third criminal indictment. trump campaigned in alabama and we spoke to a fund-raiser last night in south carolina where he rallied against jack smith and these new felony charges he's facing. well donald trump is still the

very clear front runner and the 2024 field. earlier this week a new poll showed crump of the commanding national league of 37 points over 2024 opponents. but folks elections are won state by state delegate by delegate and a closer look at what's happening in iowa tells a slightly different story. another new york times story tells trump is not as dominant and the critical state of iowa, but right desantis is still very hefty 24 points. these polls were largely conducted before trump's most recent indictment. so what are his republican rivals talking about the campaign trail this week. this individual offered an hot take on the conditions in the hawkeye state last week. >> single day voting on election day. we will make election day -- and united states america's

there are no components to that so this won't be made that we will cancel one of the other ones and make election day holiday. i drug making election day a holiday pattern know what canceling june teeth. it just sounds like another attack on black people an attack on our history but here we are. i'm joined by our illustrious political panel and democratic congressman from maryland. now an msnbc political analyst editor at large and also msnbc contributor. charlie what is going on. well here we are trying to figure out how we can out panda rhonda sanchez. but i do think it's intriguing what you're hearing from mike pence. mike pence sees the polls he understands what the republican base wants and how it will react.

and you know i've been very frustrated with mike pence. i've been as critical as anyone of people like bill barr. but i think it's interesting watching them come out and become increasingly forceful, the importance of this as it's coming from inside the house and they're gonna try to say that this is all some kind of deep state biden administration d plot. but look who's raising these issues right now. i'm not gonna be so naive to think that this will change the trajectory of this campaign. but this is an interesting moment right now and this campaign that you are seeing these kinds of voices that probably a few years ago if you would've said the strongest critics on a sunday of donald trump would be mike pence and bill barr you would've asked what i was smoking. yeah honestly the evolution is stunning mike pence's seemingly

using donald trump's latest indictment to distinguish himself. i want to play sound that speaks exactly about charlize saying. this is a day after the indictment take a listen. on that day donald trump asked to put him over the constitution and i chose the constitution. i always well. i really do believe that constitution for the united states. he said this to pence during a phone conversation. he was just blazing what you make of this approach. two on us too late i mean i'm glad that mike pence landslides has been removed when it comes to donald trump. but the fact is he has clearly alienated the republican base.

there's not much farther he can go and maybe he thinks is well of him in the polls but you look at those poll numbers and mike pence is right there and the two and three group and i don't really see this having any real effect on the outcome of the republican primaries but good for him to finally find a voice to criticize president trump when we know the former president should have been criticized really by mike pence all along and that could've made a huge difference. now i'm not really sure what difference it makes. i just remember mike pence's life is in danger on january six. it is a point or a secret service detail felt the need to call the family because it might be their last conversation. donald trump barely listed lifted a finger to help him like i'm just really blown away by all of this. it's important to know i don't know who mike pence's constituents are in the public

and apparatus right now he's a mixed bag for voters. but it has got him attention because donald trump won after him last night on social media. he denied these claims about putting him above the constitution. i would like to point out that donald trump literally called for the constitutionally suspended in december. do you member? that >> yes i remember that so charlie and we spoke to believe none of what we see and heard and everything about donald trump on social media sites. >> donald trump would like you to do that he would like to rewrite history and he has been doing that for years and he's been getting away with it. it appears with republican voters that he is getting away from it and look to the congresswoman's point. yes, it is too late for mike pence but still. >> charlie froze and neutral i was gonna say something good. i feel like he was gonna say

it's too late but like we are grateful he speaking. congresswoman i think we talk a lot about the republicans in republican primaries but joe biden is also running for reelection in this race. his campaign manager julie rodriguez actually spoke with my colleague alicia menendez about how democrats move forward in spite of his spread of legal issues. and i want that for you. >> we know that these court cases will continue to move forward and they'll take their course of action but for us again as making sure that we're talking to voters about lowering prescription got cost really focusing on what matters most to them right now. . you have ran a number of campaigns and been a part of campaigns donna charley of covered them for years and the question that i always hate is, how does the canada breakthrough. they breakthrough in the media apparatus talks about it but is

this the strategy of the biden campaign just continues to beat this particular drum that we will all have to cover that trump and not what he's saying about donald trump. >> i mean we stuffed remember that president biden and vice president harris is going around the country, there and markets and whenever they show up there is an infrastructure project rcep jobs depend created or inability to meet these women talk about their abortion rights or committed people of color and talk about how they've been assaulted and had their history taken away from them i think these are all opportunities for president biden in the vice president to really gain traction and we've talked about this before people vote on their personal economy and when they feel that when unemployment is low when inflation is coming down those

are the things that people care about and i think president biden vice president harris will have the ability to continue to celebrate that even as donald trump's indictment and headlines warn indictment after the other. it grabs headlines get them in local communities that's not really what's going to play. >> we will pay attention to the states in the local papers y'all they matter. foremost congresswoman charlie sykes thank you to you both. up next folks justice 70 years in the making for the descendants of this woman. i'm talking about henrietta themselves removed from her body without the consent and became a cornerstone of modern medicine her family is never been considered until now and we will talk about her and her impact after the break. ct after the break that's why the new titan turkey is proffered by pros like me. and by pros who can actually dunk, like me. and if we proffer it we know you'll proffer it too. i can dunk if i want to.

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sunday school here in simone. henrietta may be one of the biggest, modern medical histories. she never loved to know. it lacks as an african american tobacco farmer sought medical treatment for cervical cancer. johns hopkins hospital the 1950s. sadly, lax died at the age of 31. but before her untimely death, her cells with biopsied and removed from her body without her knowledge or consent. they became the first human cells to continuously grow and reproduce. those cells, the cells are known as gila cells. they would help lead to dozens of medical breakthroughs, including treatments for parkinson's disease. the development of the flu shot, even the more recent development of the covid vaccine. her family eventually sued the multi billion dollar biotechnology company, thermo fisher scientific. arguing that the company made a staggering profit off of human cells. her family never see the opportunity to consent to the

cells, nor did they ever receive a die. this past week seven years after the family settled with that company. the terms of which were not disclosed on henrietta lacks, it's a 103rd birthday. >> block over have done so much to help build america. to help build the world. to help progress and the henrietta lacks story is one that must be taught to every student, black, white, brown all students should know the story. little boys, especially little girls. >> the defendant, they're more fetch, or as plays the cases resolvable offer no further comment. hawkins hospitals never sold a profit from the sale lines of henrietta lacks. this ordeal speaks to a part of

troubling chapter, black americans were exploited against their will for medical research. subjected to racist treatment in the medical system. racist treatment is still going on, i might add. congressional medal -- of black folks, a man that wants to farm in turn texas blue. congressman allred will join me at the green table to talk about his run for united states senate. what's driving his race and why he thinks he can be nine other democrats and take on senator ted cruz. ted cruz. you know, people always ask me,

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chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. election we've been talking about it. the highest profile contest in 2024 it's not the only one will have a critical impact on the everyday lives of americans. 34 senate seats and maybe even control of the chamber will be decided next fall along with every seat in the house of representatives. not to mention voters in 11 states will also be choosing their governors. so here on simone we are unpacking some of these key things with our series on the ballot and today we're focusing on the lone star state it's been three decades since the democrat represented texas and my next guest is looking to change that given that he be running against a component who won his last election by only two and half points, he may have a shot joining me now is

democratic congressman from texas and senate candidate colin allred welcome to you sir thank you for coming in today. you are facing a very crowded primary their nine opponents against you why do you think you are the best chance to beat ted cruz. >> i'm laser focused on what we all know has to happen which is beating ted cruz i think democrats in texas after decide who is best positioned to beat ted cruz nine know that i am spent 22 years since i've gone to congress and someone who's been on the post because nobody wanted to run against him. and a tough reelection we've done this before but also have a story to tell being raised by a single mother becoming a civil rights lawyer and making it out of congress and i want to represent the state that's given me so much i was looking for some polling in texas to see what they are saying and a poll from the university of texas that was conducted

earlier this summer and that 21% of texans view favorably 19 unfavorable and 48% don't know enough about you to answer. you want to turn to the camera not just at 40% right now. >> like i said have a texas story uniquely texas story and it's not uncommon for a member of congress known outside of my state in my area. but we're gonna go around and make sure nobody knows a story about being raised by a single mother, was a public school teacher growing up the hard way make it to be the rounds kept on the football team having a chance to play the nfl. deciding went had a next injury that i wanted to be a civil rights lawyer to voting rights in texas. doing the hard work of voting rights in texas because it's hard in our state. and then running for congress and representing a place that i grew up and being a member of congress that brought folks together. how the u.s. chamber of congress and listening as well as afl-cio. we need your help so get involved with us and help us

win. >> you are well aware but they not we have an independent power grid and power prices there surged by more than 800% today amid a heat wave. but half of texas surveyed in the poll that i reference to that they have little to no confidence that the grid can avoid blackouts this summer. the same group also said that the increase prices had a major impact on their finances. how do you keep energy affordable and reliable for your constituents. >> being raised away was, another one costco up it's really hard -- our state has failed in it comes energy. i remember where i was gonna had statewide freeze. you're working with fema, folks are literally dying from freezing to death in carbon monoxide poisoning. -- the only reason they came back was because they were, caught on sums up he was a senator.

infrastructure bill 35 billion dollars over the next five years. not just our infrastructure but our entire infrastructure makes us more efficient. -- a state decision that we are an independent grid. that's not something we can handle independently. once that we focus on doing. >> let's turn to abortion because there's legal challenges, it's the medically necessary abortions, how are we going to protect access to safe reproductive -- >> the post world, my wife and i have had two babies in texas for the last five years. and i can't imagine if it was a genetic test and saying, there was a problem nothing we can do

about. it politicians have decided that we can't. when you have to leave our state or they won't be able to swing back to term. i can't imagine that. we can solve this at the federal level though, i voted to enshrine roe v. wade into law. we couldn't get into the senate because the filibuster. when i'm a senator we'll make sure we get this into the senate, nationwide we will protect the right to abortion. would you vote to do with the filibuster. i think we have >> team as i said i'm a voting rights lawyer and i focus on expanding and protecting our democracy and what we are seeing right now is every piece of legislation is it subjected to the filibuster. as you know simone used to be that it was only civil rights laws or anti-lynching laws that were subject to filibuster. then there was a speaking filibuster. i was in a situation we're in now where every single vote had to have 60 vote threshold. that's unusual we've had carveouts now for budget laden's we should have car

boats at like to see it go all the way in just say let's go back to a majority vote here or speaking filibuster if you want to block a bill you can go ahead in the floor and you can control as long as you can talk. >> congressman column on his way to become the democratic nominee for the state in texas. thank you for coming >> appreciate you're time i stand on the shoulders of giants and then -- on the 2008 campaign trail before coming the nation's first black president. on friday morning one of those giants went home legal icon and harvard law professor charles junior died this week after a lifetime of fighting for racial justice and equity his clients included survivors of the tulsa race massacre, anita hill and tupac. helping draft a new constitution and at harvard he went out of his way to ensure the success of black law students like barack obama and rachel obama facilitating saturday school where he

offered lessons and advice to ensure their success. often you don't get to rudy immediate benefits of the work that you do but the work of charles ogletree was no different the fruits of that work we felt for generations to come. every day americans presidents and entire nations and generations to come thank you so much for watching symone on this great sunday i'm simone sanders and you can catch me right here on msnbc weekends at four pm eastern and anytime on peacock. or the msnbc hub every monday. if you want more of the show including behind the scenes videos find us on instagram twitter and tiktok. lucky for you politicsnation is next and he will be joined by house january six committee benny thompson also talking about why democrats worry that black voters won't turn out for president biden in 2024. we're gonna get right into that

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politicsnation tonight as the art of the steel. >> tonight the clock is ticking for donald trump and his legal team. they now have less than 24 hours to respond to a motion for respective audit in the 2020 election interference case. the judge yesterday, swiftly rejecting the request to delay the deadline. south carolina last night on through the social in the early morning. trump continues to carry on with much of the same baby that got him indicted in the first place.