authority to do that. >> the lawyer arguing there that this was not partisan or political and they kept using the word delay or investigate for what as we discussed with neat caught yawl was to obstruct the election of president biden. we'll have lot more thant in the days ahead. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> he said the president asked him to violate the constitution, which is another way of saying he asked me to break the law. >> he never said -- no, that's wrong. that's wrong. a technical violation of the constitution is not violation of criminal law. that's just plain wrong. >> oh, yes. trump's alleged crimes are just, you know, technical violations of the constitution. nothing to get all worked up about. that's the best trump's lawyers can do, and tonight, we're

getting our first look at their formal response to the special counsel's request for a protective order in the case. plus, we're on the eve of a critical referendum in ohio designed specifically to make it harder to protect abortion rights. as a judge rules that the abortion ban in texas goes too far. but we begin tonight with equal justice under the law. it's the basic bottom line concept that the legal system is supposed to work the same way for all of us. so whether you're rich or poor, white or black or brown, gay or straight, famous or not so famous, the legal system is supposed to treat you the same. that is the goal under the u.s. constitution. at least. of course, we all know that is not actually how it works. and sometimes, just sometimes, we get a little reminder. take a look at this. this is footage of union square in new york city on friday. the crowd had gathered after being summoned online by kai

sinet. if you have never heard of him, join the club, i had never heard of him until my son called to tell me about this incident. he's a very famous most popular streamer on an app called twitch, which the youngins use to live stream about gaming, sports, entertainment and the like. he advertised a huge give away of ps5 gaming systems which are really expensive, so the teenagers came in numbers and the gathering turned unruly. dozens were arrested including sinet, who was charged with inciting a riot. he was released on bond on saturday and given a desk appearance ticket and a court date of august 18th, according to the associated press. now, i just want you to think about those developments. as you listen to the folks on a certain non-news network with news in their name whining about how donald trump is being treated so poorly and so differently from anyone else, i

mean, that is partially true. trump and his supporters have been treated very differently from anyone else. note again, with kai sinet and the riot in union square, famous person summons a crowd to a specific location using social media. turns into a riot. dozens arrested on the spot, not a year later, like the magas who attacked our capitol on january 6th. or like trump, who has been galavanting around as a free man for 2 1/2 years before he was charged with summoning them there to overturn the election. in sinet's case, an immediate arrest and a court date within weeks. that's not to say these situations are exactly alike. for one thing, sinet apologized for his part in causing the mayhem and he hasn't cut a song with the people who landed in jail. but they are alike enough that we can compare how the criminal justice system treats these two famous men and their followers

differently. of course, in trump's case, the situation is far more consequential because it's not about a game system giveaway. it's about a president of the united states trying to steal the votes of tens of millions of americans so he can stay in power. and the latest developments in the trump case make it even worse. in just the latest -- in just the last few hours we have heard from trump's lawyers responding to special counsel jack smith's request for a protective order that would keep trump from making public any of the evidence they're turning over to his defense. trump's lawyers claim that the proposed order is overbroad and frame this as the government seeking to restrict trump's first amendment rights. perhaps the most conconventional change they're requesting would allow trump to make public some of the evidence including recordings and transcripts of witness testimony. the request for the order came after the special counsel said that trump's social media posts could, quote, have a harmful and chilling effect on witnesses or

adversely affect the fair administration of justice. they cited trump's post last week where he wrote, quote, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. and if that wasn't evidence enough, trump has continued to make the special counsel's point, posting over the weekend and today multiple attacks on the doj, judge chutkan, mike pence, who could be a key witness in his trial. joining me now is former senator claire mccaskill, msnbc political analyst, luke broadwater, "new york times" reporter, kimberly atkins stohr, commnist for the bye-bye bye-bye, and stuart stevens, senior adviser to the lincoln project and author of the upcoming book, the conspiracy to end america. appropriate title. just really quickly want to focus for a minute on the disparity, and i will go to you

first, kimberly, because you know, the cases aren't the same. it's different, a former president, and what he did is much worse, but it still bugs me, kimberly, that the people, set aside trump for a second, who attacked our capitol, livestreamed it, right, not on twitch, but on other things, and went back to their hotels, casually got on planes and went home. it was only a year later in most cases they even got arrested. this was like some teenagers brawling or, you know, getting too excited about a ps5, scooped up immediately. and the guy who called them there, who is not trying to overturn an election, and who is not out there attacking the judge and prosecutors, he got arrested. i will propose to you, and i will let you respond, that our criminal justice system is bifurcated but not against donald trump. bifurcated in favor of him. your thoughts. >> i think that's absolutely

true, joy. this is not the first time we talked about the difference in the way the criminal justice system treats people as they perceive them to be a threat. even the people who threatened our very democracy, the foundation of our government, were seen in a way to be less threatening. i remember on january 6th, and the days after, i was shocked that these people were allowed to board planes and return home to wherever they were going. surely, had it been a terrorist of a different kind, that wouldn't have been allowed to happen the same way you saw the swift action that took place in new york city. but to broaden this a little bit, joy, we're talking about donald trump. and his claims that he is being unfairly targeted and people are after him. he has been given -- he has been afforded far more lenience and leeway and grace by the justice system than any other person in

the united states of america. he has been allowed to fly on his big old plane, to be arraigned, very quietly. we only know about most of it because of his own posts. he's never served a minute in jail. he was never in handcuffs. he was never -- no mugshots were taken. he has been treated with kid gloves so far, with all of the, you know, with all of the luxury that a former president can get. so that is even more a far cry considering he is indicted now as the ring leader of the attack on american democracy. >> yeah, and claire, let me go to you on this. you're a former united states senator. we're talking about an attempt to stay in power that resulted in jeopardizing and putting at risk the lives of all 100 united states senators and every member of the house of representatives and their staffs and police and

capitol police and metro police who responded, and the people who work in the capitol cleaning the capitol and providing all the services. we're talking about threatening in addition to what's charged in the four counts, trying to deprive tens of millions of people of the right to vote. it is stunning to me that donald trump posts on his social, if you come after me, i'm coming after you, which we reported this on friday and we were trying to be very careful and very fair because we didn't know who he was talking about. jack smith apparently heard his own name. heard the judge's name, heard the witnesses. he saw the way we kind of assumed that we saw it, right? so this guy is now out there saying not only does he want to be able to threaten potential witnesses, the judge, and jack smith, the prosecutor, but he wants evidence in the case that he wants to be able to put on his social. we know what he's going to do with it, claire. >> well, this case is so bizarre

in so many ways. first of all, lady justice wears a blindfold for a reason. clearly, she's peeking, and she's peeking because we had a situation where at the moment these crimes were occurring, he was the most powerful man in the country. and everybody in the system was reacting in deference to his power. and they were prepared that day, law enforcement wasn't prepared. they were not capable of arresting everybody on the spot because frankly there were a whole lot of people frozen because trump had kind of laid the groundwork ahead of time, don't anybody go after my people. i want them to be able to do what they need to do. so you know, here's the thing. in a normal criminal case, joy, the defense lawyer would not be on national tv threatening witnesses with how he's going to cross-examine them, much less

the former vice president of the united states. the defendant would not be trumpeting with a huge national megaphone threats against the prosecutor, against the judge, i mean, spewing vitriol against the people who are responsible for enforcing the law. against anybody, frankly, that's not willing to lie for him. so it's hard to understand what this lawyer thinks he's accomplishing by his national media tour. can you imagine if jack smith booked an interview on your show tomorrow night and told all your viewers, i can't wait to cross-examine donald trump? can you imagine the cry that would rise from the masses of maga about how this prosecutor was on a vendetta, but meanwhile, the criminal defense lawyer is doing just that. it's not just trump who's threatening these witnesses. in a way, this criminal defense lawyer is trying to telegraph to pence, hey, i'm coming after you. i'm spending hours preparing my

cross-examination. it's bizarre. >> yeah, luke, welcome to the show. i want to get some sort of reporting on sort of what the thinking is inside trump world. we did get the trump team response. they did respond to the jack smith motion to claire's point, and here's what they did. they cited dark brandon. i mean, it's almost like they're not taking it seriously. the quote is, president biden has likewise capitalized on the indictment, posting a thinly veiled reference to his administration's prosecution of president trump. he's not president anymore, just hours before arraignment. in that, they put a screen shot of a biden tweet where he's drinking coffee out of a dark brandon mug. that doesn't sound like a serious response. i wonder if you have any reporting from within trump world of is there purpose here just to mess with the jury and you know, inflame people on his side who might be jurors?

this doesn't sound like a serious response. >> they're trying to muddy the waters and draw an equivalency between the actions that he's taking on truth social, which it appears to me are in direct violation of what the judge told him in court, which is you can't -- you shouldn't threaten or intimidate any witnesses or you shouldn't have any contact with witnesses. and so here he's putting mike pence's name on truth social and basically attacking him and sending out a warning to anyone, and then saying, i'm talking about my political rivals, not potential witnesses in court. and so they're trying to put forward this dark brandon thing, but that isn't what dark brandsen is, right? dark brandon is a resauns to this meme that was on the right, and then joe biden retook it and it's about him being cool. it has nothing to do with trump or being locked up. you know, i think they're trying to draw some equivalency here

that really isn't there. i doubt the judge will take that very seriously. >> stuart, to luke and claire's point, let's put up some of this. trump did do this sort of stream of consciousness on his truth social about not being able to get a fair trial, calling mike pence liddle mike pence. and then talking about the only reason that he was vp, you know, he was going to be ousted as governor of indiana. you know, and he made him his vp and now he's gone to the dark side, calling jack smith deranged, and going on and on and on. it is working on some level, because he's gone after nancy pelosi, which i think is vulgar, saying she's going to live in hell. just sort of gross sort of conduct. but there's a poll that's out from cbs u gov, that shows that this is working on some level. it asks how many voters agree

with the following statements, that the indictments and investigations are trying to stop the trump campaign, uphold the rule of law, defend democracy, or an attack on people like me. we just put the general numbers up. when you break that down by party, republicans, it's like 75% say that it's an attack on people like me. and even among independents, it's 50/50 about whether or not it's trying to actually uphold the rule of law or stop the trump campaign. it's like 50/50 among independents. this to some degree is having an effect, stuart. >> yeah, you know, in politics, we have the saying, when you're attacked, don't try to shoot the plane down, blow up the aircraft carrier. that's what donald trump is doing here. and the aircraft carrier is the american judicial system. we shouldn't make any mistake about it. this is a concerted effort by trump and he is supported by the republican party, and that's really the key message here. you can't expect donald trump not to be donald trump.

but there are a lot of people in the republican party who would like to consider themselves serious human beings who care about america who remain silent and allowed this to happen. and the end result of this is pretty unimaginable. because the end result of this is donald trump getting re-elected, and that will be the end of democracy as we know it in america. and he is quite clear that that is his goal. if you go back to his announcement in waco on the 30th anniversary of the waco tragedy there, it was really a declaration of war against democracy in the united states. and that's what's at stake. and until the republican party starts acting like responsible americans, i think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. >> yeah, claire, i think that's clear, right? you haven't seen the republicans who one used to think of, the sort of lindsey graham squad, they're silent on this stuff or they're down with it.

>> well, most of them are hiding. i have said this many times before and i'll say it again. the vast majority of the republican senators can't stand donald trump. they abhor what he's done to their party, they abhor the norms he's blown up. they think his politics is base and ugly. but they are afraid of his political power and of the base that he has created and calcified within the republican party. so they're just afraid to -- it's just, i have said it before, they're all lily lived cowards. if all of them can come together, if most of them would come together and do a press conference and say we have had enough, the party would follow them. i mean, they would follow the leaders if mccarthy would come to his senses and actually say, i'm not going to be hijacked by the most extreme elements in this country, i'm going to do what most of the american people

want us to do, that is to behave responsibly and try to solve america's problems, but they're too afraid of his political power. and that's the bottom line, and i don't think it's going to change anytime soon. >> we're going to talk more about this. there's more to say. i want to talk about what is aspirational and what is illegal? we'll talk about that when my esteemed panel comes back and we're going to talk more about donald trump's characteristically childish attacks. "the reidout" continues after this.

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back with me are former senator claire mccaskill, luke broadwater, kimberly atkins, and stewart steven. let me play your john lauro talking about what donald trump attempted to get mike pence to do. >> what president trump did not do is trect vice president pence to do anything. he asked him in an aspirational way. what he was asking for is for raffensperger to get to the truth. that was an aspirational ask. >> kimberly, is there an aspirational coddle in law, i would really like you to give me all your money, bank manager, it's an aspiration. i would like to have a million dollars. i would like you to do it. i think i'm robbing the bank,

but in john lauro's world, i'm just being aspirational. >> given john lauro's description of the constitution and the law, i deserve a refund for my law school tuition because clearly, i was taught the wrong thing. there is no legal precedent for that, and what the evidence that we all have seen and heard, what we saw in real time and what was reported and what we saw in donald trump's own social media posts looked more like threats than aspirational asks. he knew that there were armed people after mike pence on january 6th, and he egged them on in real time. in the phone call with raffensperger, that we heard, we heard him threaten him. if he did not find this exact number of votes that would have put him over the top. those are not aspirational asks. my favorite part was when lauro said that a violation of the constitution, a technical violation of the constitution

was not a violation of law. that's not how the constitution works. a constitutional violation is a constitutional violation. and that's what the president stands accused of. >> luke, what is the strategy here? lauro has been all over tv. he did a full ginsburg on the sunday shows, and is the point of the strategy from your reporting and from what you understand just to muddy the waters enough to get themselves a hung jury? >> well, we always say unprecedented, but we have never seen a situation like this where someone is running for president at the same time they're facing these serious cases against them. so he's simultaneously intertwining his legal defense with his campaign. and that means trying to persuade voters, potential voters out there that these charges aren't that bad. also potentially persuade perspective jurors that these charges aren't that bad. and also everybody who works for

donald trump knows you have to impress him on tv. that's one of the things that goes along with working for donald trump. so lauro is out there trying to say, well, this stuff might have been wrong, but it's not a crime. and that it's all protected by the first amendment. and so he's trying to take things that, you know, sort of sound like threats or orders and say they're just asks. he was just encouraging somebody, he wasn't actually doing it himself. and anybody who studied donald trump knows he often asks other people to do the deed that he doesn't want to actually do himself. but they're trying to split the difference there and perhaps put up some sort of defense to both perspective jurors and to voters, you know, it is like we always say, an unprecedented situation. >> yeah, and in my bank analogy, i'm wearing a full face mask and i is a gun, but it's aspirational. stuart, live me give elena haub

points for huts paw because her defense was colorful. >> you have to remember that a lot of these cases deal with classified documents and classified records. which mean that all of the lawyers now have to apply for special clearance, right? so it's not a normal situation. you can't just take a classified document and review it. you have to have scifs. you have to have certain procedures put in place. >> this is where i throw my papers. i have to throw my papers. stuart, her defense is, you just can't take classified documents and have them in the open. who does that? >> yeah, you know, what are the odds these are going to be trump's lawyers in two months? not great. you know, look, this is an attempt to try to get a guy elected president so he can pardon himself. and trump is out there saying that.

it's not me on trial, it's you on trial. what he's done is he's taking the republican party, which wants at least aspired to be an optimistic party which was considered to be an american to have won life's lottery and taking it now, the victimhood party. and he's making people feel that any grievance that you have, i can settle the score. they're coming after me. it's the complete opposite of everything we said we believe, which apparently was just marketing slogans, a person or responsibility, character counts. none of that means anything. but ultimately, what claire said is so true. republicans could end this. they're not just passive spectators here. and the level of burden that's being placed on them compared to what others have done to defend democracy, i mean, you go from the greatest generation to the worst generation with these republicans. i think it's going to haunt them and it's going to be a badge of

shame that they're going to wear the rest of their lives. >> we don't have the clip, but mitch mcconnell was lustily booed in his home state. i guess they're so fearful of the kind of people who would boo mitch mcconnell. but claire, you have experience with -- republicans will vote for whatever republican is on the ballot. they can put any republican on the ballot. they voted for ron desantis. they really could just get someone else and they'll get the same votes probably or very few -- not that many fewer. let me go on to this one, because what donald trump also would like to have is to have judge chutkan recuse herself and go away. he really does like aileen cannon. she just did a ruling that seems like it was in his favor. asking prosecutors to justify using the other grand jury as sort of taking a takedown of them, admonishing them for using an outside jury, ergo the d.c. jury. this is about d.c. and

mar-a-lago. she's taking a lot of heat for this. and i don't understand how you can -- i'm not a judge, i'm not a lawyer, but it's wrong to use an outside grand jury in a case that involves the theft of classified documents from d.c.? >> well, the federal government can gather evidence in illegally seated grand jury and use that evidence in whatever jurisdiction it is applicable, and clearly jack smith decided and i think this shows his integrity, since the mar-a-lago crimes around documents happened in florida, that case should be brought in florida. now, a lot of people aren't happy about that. they would have liked it all to be in d.c. he also brought the cases in d.c. that are more applicable to that venue. so i don't think -- and by the way, his lawyers are already trying to back up the truck on recusal. they know this is like, you know, pulling the pin out of the grenade and throwing it towards

the bench in terms of the judge. highly respected judge in d.c. donald trump is so stupid, he's the only man in america that will pay millions of dollars for legal advice and listen to none of it. and i also gotta say, joy, i have to get this in before we close today. i was there the day donald trump took the oath of office. i was sitting up there with all the other senators, it was a sad day for me and many others of us that were sitting up there. his speech was dystopian and bizarre and depressing, but i remember when he held his hand up and i distinctly recall that he said he would uphold the constitution, and he did not add, except for the technical stuff. >> yeah. absolutely. well, i would add that the reason he doesn't take the advice of his expensive lawyers is he's not using his own money to pay for said lawyers. that's his fans who are sending him $45, who are paying for it, his working class fans are

paying the bills. he's not. claire, thank you for that final point. it's so important. claire, luke, kimberly, and stuart, thank you all very much. coming up, playing whack-a-mole to defend americans reproductive rights as conservatives push mew restrictions in multiple states. we'll be right back.

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tomorrow, ohioans will go to the polls to decide the future of issue one, a referendum that proposes the increase of the minimum threshold needed to pass amendments in the state constitution. this vote comes just about three months before ohio voters will vote on a constitutional amendment preserving abortion access in the state. many are calling this referendum an attempt by ohio republicans to move the goalposts just ahead of the abortion access vote. joining me is katie paris, founder of red wine and blue, an advocacy group that opposes issue one. thank you for being here. let's talk about this. the polls are very clear. do people support state issue one? which is, i believe, the issue about, you know, putting abortion rights in the constitution. yes. it's about two-thirds of people do. do you support the abortion rights amendment itself, 58%,

sorry. 58% oppose issue one, which is the one that would make the threshold higher, and two-thirds about the same support abortion rights. are you concerned that this won't pass, though, because of turnout and because it's summer? >> well, that is certainly what republicans are counting on. and look, it's confusing, right? we have got to vote no in august before we vote yes in november to protect our reproductive rights. and there's no question that ohioans do not support giving ourselves less of a voice. we would like to continue to have access to citizen-led ballot initiatives as we have for 112 years. but just ahead of us passing reproductive rights because republicans know we're going do that to all of the polls show, like you said, about two-thirds of voters support protecting our reproductive rights. 85% of independent women support

this reproductive rights initiative. they know they'll lose if it can pass under the current rules which would just require a simple majority. majority rules, one person, one vote. they're trying to change the rules and they know they have something to worry about because the polls are very bad for them and turnout is very bad for them. they were expecting to have a quiet election in august, where no one would notice, and instead, 700,000 people in ohio have voted already. that's hundreds of thousands more than we saw who had voted early in the election that they held last year in august. and it's actually 150,000 more votes even than we saw in the may primary which was a big deal last year in ohio. it was the u.s. senate primary, and it was a very competitive race. we're even seeing more voting on that in august on an issue, on a ballot initiative issue, so i think that that is leading to some desperation on their side, to be sure. >> obviously, there's the united

states senate race in november that would be on the same ballot with the abortion rights measure. so i think republicans probably understand that if you get more women and younger people to the polls that's probably not good for them overall in terms of their political sort of desires. but has anyone expressed any reservation on the republican side to you that you know of, because it does feel like these are a bunch of men who are trying to strip women of their rights against the will of two-thirds of the state? >> yeah, no question about it. this is not really a partisan issue. i mean, people want to be able to have a voice in our democracy. and so it's interesting driving across the state, sometimes you'll actually see republican signs in someone's yard, even in some cases trump signs, but then they'll have a vote no on issue one because they want to be able to have a direct voice in our democracy. so there's no question that this is bringing over lots of independents to call this a cross partisan coalition and

that's making the vote yes people, the people who want us to have les of a voice, they want to take away majority rule, that's making them very nervous. we're seeing a lot of disinformation out here on the ground, unfortunately. >> has there been any reaction or what's your reaction to the fact that the women in texas who sued the state of texas because in many cases they could have died or have been left unable to ever have children again because their state essentially says even if you're going to give birth to a child with a non-formed cranium or a child that is already dead, you have to do it. even if you're a child yourself. they have won at least so far, but the attorney general there is still suing. he still wants people to be forced to essentially die in child birth. what has been your reaction to kind of that playing out in another state? >> i mean, the issue of reproductive freedom is going to continue to be an issue until we get our rights back. i mean, and it's because we're seeing stories like this play out. so many women, we have had

complications in our pregnancies or someone we know has, many people we know have. this is deeply personal. it's inhumane. amanda, one of the leading women in that case, she came and spoke with the women of red wine and blue. there wasn't a dry eye in the or any other state treat womenur the way that she's been treated in texas. and so, we are standing by her. we are standing up for her. and we are not gonna let that happen anywhere else. and until politicians and pundits get the message that abortion is going to continue to be a motivating factor in these elections until we get the rights back, they're gonna keep getting these elections wrong. >> katie paris, good luck. so, just to remind people, because i hadn't switched around. people are being asked by you to vote no in this election tomorrow. so that they can vote yes in november. i want to make sure that i did not switch that around, is that correct?

that's right. >> you had it right. you've got to vote no. saying no taking our voices away, saying no to all the disinformation, vote no tomorrow, absolutely, vote no. thank you for that, joy. >> thank you very much, katie paris. i appreciate you and good luck. still ahead the reidout block rider ja'han jones joins me to help kick off his new blog series celebrating 50 years of hip-hop. back in a second. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ when i was diagnosed with h-i-v, i didn't know who i would be. but here i am... being me. keep being you... and ask your healthcare provider about the number one prescribed h-i-v treatment, biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in many people whether you're 18 or 80. with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to undetectable—and stay there whether you're just starting or replacing your current treatment.

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month, a couple of teenagers doing a back to school party in the bronx, with music divided by dj cool her, that event turned out to be the birth of one of the biggest and most influential music genres of all-time, hip-hop. and here at reidout the, we are celebrating this anniversary with a new digital series called "hip-hop is universal", to dive into how hip-hop has influence not just today's music, but everything from our culture and our fashion to even our politics. joining me now to explain is the reidout blog very own ja'han jones. ja'han, it is good to see you. tell us what you got going, what you have coming up on this amazing new segment? >> yes, thank you so much for having me on to talk about this, joy. as you mentioned, we got hip-hop-ish universal coming up. what better occasion to talk about the awesome power of what i believe to be one of the most potent forms of self expression to be known in humankind. and so, we are going to be debuting hip-hop focused blogs,

podcasts, some playlists as well. look, you might even see segments like keep my tools on me -- [laughter] but the point here is really to celebrate the last 50 years of hip-hop, but also to assess what the future of hip-hop looks as well. as i write in the introductory post, hip-hop has touched every aspect from politics to race to business to power to sex to technology to space, even. i talk about how in march, the first song to be debuted from outer space was produced by lazarus, who was a rapper on a space station. so, this speaks to how hip-hop really does reach all kinds of people. it began as this art form that was devised by disadvantaged black and latinos in the bronx. and it has surged far beyond that. and as i say in the article, it has become an art form that a

lot of people want to cling to, a lot of people want to pick from, and you know, even a lot of people who are not black or latino have been able to bring it to their own right as well. this is an opportunity for us here at the reidout to celebrate the legacy of hip-hop, and to talk about what that future looks like, both from the tech aspect of it, but also just in terms of the lyrics, and the physical embodiment of hip-hop as well. we have to dance, dances, dense culture is a big part of hip-hop culture. i read about car culture, how it's been influenced by hip-hop. i write about how just, you know, sexuality and vulgarity, as it's been, hip-hop has been deemed as this vulgar genre. but people often use this genre to kind of subvert those expectations that people have of them in their sexuality. this is an opportunity, like i said, for us to celebrate in this genre that is far-reaching. i talk about how it's multi generation, interdisciplinary, and even intergalactic.

so, a lot going on in the next month. >> hip-hop went to the supreme court. look, until luke -- donald trump is talking about his free speech friends. uncle luke, it looked like he never done that. it is interesting because this is a genre, you know, if there was a time when country music was the number one form of music in america, but hip-hop globally is actually, you know, the dominant form of music that has influenced everything, including country music. i do have to ask you, though, because of the culture also is, you know, hip-hop culture does predominant. and it lives in morals that live on social media. i got to ask, you do have your folded chair ready for any hater who might have something to say about this new series? is your folded chair ready, ja'han jones? and you know what i mean. >> you are talking about the montgomery throw down. i just want to let you know, as a wwe fan, i love a good share shot. i'm not gonna go on and be

violent. just in term of the, phone i have to give that person credit. >> i gotta give black culture credit. black culture is undefeated, we'll tell you what we are talking about tomorrow. but, ja'han jones, thank you very much. be sure to check out the new digital series. it is called "hip-hop is universal". all of ja'han's commentary would be there. and it is at the reidout blog. better yet, just bookmark it, so you don't miss anything. that is tonight's reidout. all in with chris hayes starts now. now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tonight on all in -- >> you take a look at that case, you say that guy is a sick man. there's something wrong with him. >> the united ex president and his monster mode in the department of justice response. >> what seems to be an issue is that jack smith isn't liking the discomfort of the attention from what he brought. >> tonight, the latest on a protective order for donald trump, and what it means to run a campaign with multiple legal defenses all at once. >> any other defendant would have t