against inflation and for your wallet. plus, investigators say he kidnapped and held a woman captive in a makeshift cell in his garage. now, the exclusive interview with the lead fbi agent in the bone chilling case of this alleged serial rapist. two victims across ten states. and the fiery pushback from trump and his legal team tied to the protective order federal pross proposed in the election interference case. also, the 2024 campaign shake up just weeks before the first republican primary debate. florida governor desantis sa good-bye to his campaign manager as he tries to gain back steam. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. let's go first to matt dixon with the major shake up in the desantis campaign. we just saw a shake up in his camp. a third of his staff was laid off. now, the florida governor

replacing his campaign manager. what can you tell us? >> so to the campaign that just keeps resetting here. the campaign manager who's been with the governor for a long time, helped run his gubernatorial re-elect, has been demoted. she's now a senior adviser. his chief of staff, the guy who ran the official side has been moved over to be campaign manager. james is very much in line with the governor. he's sort of the same policy and political school of thought. very conservative. so i think this is kind of an indication that the campaign is going to start, continue to focus on a lot of things it's been focused on. really the issues that brought him to a point where he could run for president and was perceived to be a potential front-runner, at least at one point. >> matt, thank you for the latest there. in new hampshire, former president trump is expected to speak within the hour even as his defense team rather battles with doj prosecutors over suggested limits on government

everyday. vaughn, what can you tell us? >> reporter: there was those back and forth filings last night by the department of justice prosecutors as well as donald trump's legal defense team over the extent to which that protective order would be implemented and approved by a judge. the judge has set this 3:00 p.m. deadline here for this afternoon. less than an hour from now. in which the two sides she ordered them to discuss amongst themselves potential date and time by weeks end in which a hearing would be set to determine the extent of the protective order. now, donald trump here has been defiant on social media but we expect him to set a similar message from the states here in new hampshire here within this next hour. defiance against what he says is a limiting of his free speech to talk about the criminal trial that is set before him. in so many ways, unless donald trump takes the stand, it will be up to his lawyers to defend

him in the courtroom but up to him in his own political campaign and the microphones like here in this high school gymnasium to win over at least the political court of public opinion. so for donald trump, this is where he is able to make his best stand and as his legal counsel goes back and forth with prosecutors in the department of justice over these various motions moving forward ahead of that criminal trial. >> thank you so much. now to nbc's ken dilanian who's reporting on the latest and the investigation into an alleged violent sex offender in portland, oregon. so, ken, you had an exclusive interview with the lead fbi investigator for this. what did she tell you? >> the fbi's going public here because they believe there are multiple victims in this case who have yet to come forward. the fbi says the man accused in these crimes posed as a police officer and detained a woman last week in seattle then drove

her hundreds of miles to his home in portland, raping her along the way. she was able to escape from his garage. they've now linked him to three additional violent sexual assaults and they say he lived in ten states over the last decade from california to new york. so they believe there may be many more victims. they say he targeted sex workers who may be reluctant to come forward, but they're urging them to do so. stephanie sharp, in charge of the portland field office, said the woman may have saved lives. >> this woman realized this was not legitimate and that her life was danger and spent upwards of several hours beating down the cell, which you have photos of which consisted of obviously the cinder block walls, but also dry wall and a metal gate with screen meshed over that. she just kept beating any piece

of that cell that she could until she was able to break free. and run for help across the street. >> now the fbi says he went by several aliases including sakeema, justin hiesh and kuwasi. they're asking anyone with information to call 1-800-fbi. >> such a disturbing case. thank you. a central bank official said today he believed the fed's campaign of aggressive interest rate hikes could be over. morgan brennan joins us now. we're also going to see new inflation data on thursday. another clue as to whether the strategy is working. what's the latest? >> that's right. the latest is that the federal reserve is either done or close to done with its hikes. that was the message from philadelphia fed president today when he said in a speech that he believes that we may be at the point where we can be patient and hold rates steady and let

the monetary policy actions we've taken do their work. basically, unless there's some big surprise between now and september, parker supports keeping rates right where they are. that's significant because he's a voting member on the fed's policy setting committee. he had a hand in raising the fed's benchmark interest rate last month again to it's now highest level in more than 22 years. but it also depends on the data. we get the next reading on thursday when the government released the cpi. for the overall cpi, the index is expected to have climbed slightly to 3.3% annualized but that still represents a dramatic drop from last summer. now, if you exclude food and energy, which fluctuate in price, it's called the core cp, which officials watch more closely, that's expected to show a slower rate of price gains. if that bears out, it could

support harper's comments, allow the central bank to pause even with inflation still tracking higher. a growing number of economists and fed officials have been expressing hope that the fed could be engineering what's called a soft landing. bringing inflation down through these higher interest rates while also avoiding a recession. that's a pretty rare economic dynamic. we haven't seen it play out that many times in fed tightening cycles but so far, it does seem to be happening but only time and the data will tell. >> morgan brennan, thank you. president biden is speaking in heat stricken arizona this hour during his three-day west coast tour. what does the federal government need to do to help residents suffering there right now? ruben guyago joins me in 60 seconds. joins me in 60 seconds. my business? (tina) her. (christina) being all over, all at once. (tina) all the time.

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see president biden speak in arizona. he's set to tout his administration's investment in climate provisions and announce a new national monument aimed at preserving more than 1,000 square miles of land around the grand canyon. mike memoli is there for us. this is president biden's fifth national monument. why here and why now? >> reporter: what we're going to see from the president today is really using the incredible natural beauty of this region. not just where i am now, but later today at the grand canyon to try to elevate two important aspects of his climate agenda. the first is designating his fifth national monument. the name translates to where the indigenous people roam. it has to do with a culmination of an effort for years by a coalition of 12 different indigenous tribes here to try protect nearly 1 million acres from development. we've heard some really moving testimony from many of the tribal leaders as well as the

interior secretary. the first indigenous member of the cabinet talking about the significance of this to the community here and then we're also going to hear the president really kicking off what is a two-week effort across the administration to celebrate in their view, the anniversary of the inflation reduction act, which along with the bipartisan infrastructure law, the white house says represents the most significant effort to invest in our clean energy future in history. and to try to protect our environment. the president is going to be here out west for a reason. we've seen some of the most severe effects, especially drought and wildfires in the west because climate. so here, he's going to talk about what the ira has done in terms of enhancing the clean energy market. and tomorrow in new mexico, he's going to be talking about the role the private sector has played as well, taking advantage of many of the incentives. he's going to visit a local business that was on the cusp of shutting down before the passage of the ira, but now is expanding because of the ira.

because the business its created. we know how much political capital the president had to spend to get the ira over the finish line. more than a compromise between moderate and centrist democrats and now the administration wants to use the anniversary to try to build back that political capital as we enter the 2024 campaign. >> okay. thank you so much for that. ahead of president biden's speech, he quickly spoke on the tarmac with one arizona congressman, urging him to address the excessive heat. democratic congressman and senate candidate, ruben gallego joins us now. thank you for being with us. what did you tell the president on the tarmac? >> there's a lot of work to be done in arizona. we've had extreme heat now for more than 30 days. we've had more than 100 people die of extreme heat. and arizonans like midwesterners, northeasterners, other parts of the country,

deserve to have some help from fema when it comes to extreme climate in the northeast when it comes to snow or flooding in other areas. our problem is extreme heat it's it's only going to get worse. we pay taxes to the federal government and we should be able to receive some of those services back because it's taxing a lot of our municipalities trying to deal with this extreme heat. >> a lot of what the president has done sort of looks forward to make alleviating this crisis potentially years down the road. what do you want to see done right now about it? people are suffering today. >> right. no doubt a lot of the work that we've done together as democrats with the president when it comes to the ira is to deal with the long-term problem of climate change. but what i'm trying to do is the short-term problem of what every day arizonans are trying to deal

with which is trying to make sure they can afford air-conditioning or that we have cooling centers at night to homeless people have a place to stay because the nighttime is when it gets the most dangerous because it's not cooling down anymore in arizona at nighttime. even for our municipalities who are putting out limited millions of dollars to keep citizens alive. this is what we need now from the federal government. we need them to understand this is a very severe situation and fema should be able to help us much again like they help out in other natural disasters across the country. >> what would that mean, congressman? to add extreme heat to fema's list of major disasters? >> for example, if you're in the northeast and you have a very, very strong, strong couple days of snow that starts impacting your state in a negative manner. the state government and local municipalities can ask for assistance from the federal government such as grants or funds to pay for snowplows,

heating centers. things of that nature. the difference for arizona would be when we hit that situation where it becomes so extreme that we need some help, we could ask the federal government to help us fund cooling centers. to help us fund, maybe some water stations for a lot of our unhoused people. to help us fund people to be able to afford our air-conditioning. these are the kind of things that we would need immediately to really keep people both safe and in their homes especially when it comes to summer. >> that said, when you're in touch with your constituents about what they want to hear, what is it do you think the president needs to highlight in his message there today? >> look, i think arizonans, no matter what part, are extremely proud of the fact we made the grand canyon national monument. it's the jewel of arizona. of course, the country. i think it's great. i think he needs to highlight the great work he has done on

climate change, which is extremely dangerous and existential to arizona. especially when it comes to drought. but you know, some current efforts to deal with heat mitigation so if you have an opportunity to stay in their homes, not have to go to the mall all day to get some air-conditioning or to help our homeless people so they don't die on the streets would go a long, long way. >> what malls are left. the mall i used to walk with my mom is no longer there. you're running to replace kirsten sinema next year. arizona's becoming more and more critical of a battleground state. how significant is it for the president to be there? >> very significant. when we win this state for the president and when i win in senate, we are really going to make a big splash across the country because arizona is a swing state. a very symbolic state. aspirational state. and it is virtually impossible for the president to lose the

electoral college with arizona being in its column. we're going to be here working to get out the votes to make sure every day arizonans have a candidate that knows that is working for them, is in their corner, fighting for them and not for the interests that is existing and has power in d.c. right now. >> congressman gallego, thank you for your time. >> thank you. a press conference is now underway over that river front brawl that broke out in alabama. one person is in custody and three arrest warrants have been issued for others involved. we'll have a live report coming up. and a high stakes special election in republican-controlled ohio now setting the stage for a major abortion fight. we're live in columbus. abortion fight we're live in columbus

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today, a high stakes special election in ohio marks the next proxy battle for reproductive rights in a red state. as the state's republican-controlled legislature wants voters to approve a ballot measure to raise the threshold of what it takes to amend the state constitution from a simple majority to 60%. "the new york times" writes since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade last year, voters across the country in multiple elections have approved ballot measures. a similar election has been scheduled for november in ohio and legislatures are hoping a

higher bar will lead to its defeat. ali vitali is in columbus, ohio. henry gomez is an nbc news political reporter and rick is a political analyst. ali, turnout has been off to a high start for a special election in the middle of summer. how would it work and what does it mean? >> reporter: just in terms of turnout, i expected we would come here to a polling place today, maybe catch up with a few folks but we've seen a steady trickle of people. it's anecdotal evidence but you look at the numbers so far from the secretary of state's office and turnout is much higher than anticipated especially because we're in the dog days of summer now. an august special election typically doesn't see that much engagement. really folks on both sides of issue one say they are seeing engagement here for some results out of tonight will let us know

what the fruits of that are. but in spending time yesterday with advocacy groups on the pro abortion side, we heard from them as they were trying to get out the vote, making calls to voters and many of those conversations had voters who had already voted or had a plan to do so. that's pretty unexpected at this point. but listen to what they told me. >> i think there's a lot of anger when people find out the details in issue one. i hear a lot of anger and i have. since the beginning and i've heard that around the state. >> folks are energized, angry, and they're seeing this as their opportunity to have their voice heard. so really, i think far and away, a lot of the voters we're talking to already know what they're talking about when they come to us, which is a little bit unusual in the field. >> reporter: and you heard the point she makes there. that is unusual. especially because they're showing up for one special election that is about rule changes to the ohio state

constitution. you're right the way you laid this out. this is not technically or directly a vote on abortion rights right now. this is a vote based on what it takes to change the ohio state constitution but it comes as voters here are looking ahead to november referendum that would enshrine protections for abortion access within their constitution and it's also important to point out here, republicans in ohio had previously done away with a idea of august special election only now to add this one back to the books. the secretary of state here has said this is 100% in his words about keeping abortion out of the constitution. voters now reacting to that and we'll see what they say. >> henry, you're an expert in ohio politics. you've written that reliable polling on this has been scarce but the "usa today" last month found 57% of respondents oppose it. aside from polling, do we get a sense of how this ballot measure is being seen in the state? >> the next republican source i talked to in ohio today who

tells me they're optimistic about issue one passing will be the first. there's a lot of pessimism from republicans who worked on this issue to pass this issue. they're looking at where the turnout numbers are coming from, where the early vote came from and what the day of vote is doing and they're just not seeing the numbers. they're very, very worried it's going to be at best close, but they're preparing for defeat. and it's, when you look at it, both sides have had different messaging issues. those are opposing issue one for example have had a clear message. a vote no or you're going to be giving up rights you've had for years. you are going to find it harder to place a constitutional amendment on the ballot. the pro side, the yes side of issue one, has been a little bit of a political science lesson on the mechanisms surrounding the state constitution mashed with these socially conservative warrior things that we're hearing in other states. mike pence, the former vice president issued an endorsement

video today where he talked about advancing a transgender agenda. so all that mixes up into this stew that's really not the clear and concise and direct vote known to protect your rights. >> rick, nbc news has reporting that 2024 republicans are split on abortion policy. on one hand, we saw voters really galvanized in the 2022 midterms after the dobbs decision. does it surprise you then that republicans, especially in the state of ohio, are embracing really strict abortion access, limiting it to almost no abortion access? and at the same time, mischaracterizing what the left is trying to do. essentially saying they want abortion up until birth. >> it's very confusing to the voter because many voters will go to the polls today and they'll be looking for an abortion amendment and there isn't one. or there's nothing to vote on abortion. it all has to do with the

constitution, the threshold of the constitutional amendment which currently in ohio is 50%. look, i have to break this down a couple of ways. one is constitutional amendment approval at 60% is generally a good thing. you don't want your constitution being changed by referendum in re-election. that's a dangerous thing. the threshold should be high but this was cut by half because the secretary of state who will be running for u.s. senate is putting his whole political career on the line and he's probably about to lose this. worse than that, if it in fact passes, that doesn't mean that abortion rights will be restricted. it means the threshold to pass the amendment on the ballot in november will be higher. if they get it, guess what. it will be hard to change it. ohio will have a permanent abortion right in their constitution. so i think this whole thing was not very well thought out at all. and i agree with henry. the messaging on the republican

side has been horrific because abortion can be a winning issue for republicans. they framed it all wrong. the democrats for their part, have framed it all correctly, which is ban and loss of rights but there are very few democrats who support abortion on demand up until the time of birth. they want certain limits. i don't know that this amendment is going to change that, but it's just been very confusing and unfortunate for ohio voters who are confused about what this amendment will do. >> the special election also sets the stage for a hostile senate race with three republicans angling to unseat senator brown. how is this affecting that race? >> it's pretty much taken over the senate race. all three of the prominent republican contenders are in favor of issue one and would oppose the abortion measure on the ballot. however, the secretary of state

ali mentioned has been leading the charge. this is his amendment. he pushed for it. he has been campaigning for it heavily. he is, his office is the one that's overseeing the election and will get blamed for any sort of technical or administration problems that might come out of this. and he's been spending the last three weeks of this home stretch also campaigning for senate. so he's tied to this measure. and if it loses as many republicans predict it will, it's going to be a loss for him and his senate campaign right off the gate and either one of any of these three candidates who wins and goes up against sherrod brown is going to be identified as someone who was for this measure to take away or raise the threshold for constitutional amendments and someone who is opposed to enshrining abortion rights and sherrod brown who's going for a fourth term, he'll have a field day with that. >> important conversation. ali, henry, rick, thank you.

something we should get used to seeing as we get closer to the general election. the front-runners from both parties giving speeches in key states. on within side, president biden in arizona. on the other, former president trump is delivering remarks in new hampshire. we'll bring you any news as warranted. authorities explaining what happened in the alabama river front dock brawl caught on video over the weekend. the arrest already made and person involved police are now asking to speak to. that's next. d police are now asking to speak to that's next.

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officials just gave an update over the river front dock brawl over the weekend. >> we just heard from the city, from the police department, the district attorney's office there and it was characterized by the mayor of montgomery as a reckless behavior that showed very poor judgment that was an unfortunate incident. some of the questions would be what would the fallout be from this legally. there is one person in custody. two others are expected to turn themselves in as you see this brawl unfolding by the river in montgomery about 7:00 on saturday. as far as the charges are concerned, one of the people being arrested, richard roberts, he is white, 48 years old, facing two outstanding warrants for assault. allen todd, 23, also for assault.

zachary shipman, 25, also for assault. police said they detained at one point, 13 individuals and there are many charges pending. we also found out from law enforcement that the co-captain of the harriet ii, the river boat that was supposed to be parked where the pontoon boat was instead, spent some 45 minutes on the pa system trying to reach the owners of the boat before that happened to tell them please move your boat, we have to bring it here based on the size and length of the river boat. he got a ride from a 16-year-old who's also described as a victim in this case, white, who took the co-captain to the dock where that unfolded. people on the harriet ii took videos. one of the questions, would there be any charges regarding racially based behavior, hate crimes or inciting a riot.

police said despite the fact there were obscene gestures, words, taunting, it didn't meet the threshold according to fbi standards of montgomery police for bringing hate crime charges. here's what they said. >> we did examine if there was enough to file hate crimes charges on this case and again, we rely heavily on advice from the fbi. we've also looked at what it takes to elevate this to a riot. incitement riot. we've worked with our local district attorney and it did fit the criteria. the charges we have pending are appropriate charges. >> the police chief has also asked was there anything by way of signage to indicate that the harriet ii should be parked there, he said there was not, but the area was cordened off where the boat was supposed to be going. they're going to change that, but all parties describing a

very unfortunate incident. thankfully, nobody was searelsly hurt. >> thank you for that update. the recent big box office movie oppenheimer is the story behind the first ever detonation of a nuclear weapon. it's been nearly 80 years since that blast. daniella traveled to new mexico to speak to families who lived as few as 35 miles from the test site where they continue to seek answers after years of challenges and health problems. >> how long have you and your family had this ranch the family has called it home for more than a century. today, they are known as downwinders, meaning they're one of many new mexican families who lived downwind from the 1945 trinity test site in the desert. the blast location was famously depicted in the film, oppenheimer.

this is the trinity test site where 78 years ago, the world's first nuclear weapon was successfully detonated. the penal family ranch is just 35 miles east of trinity. while the infamous blast took place nearly eight decades ago, the family says it continues to feel its impact. their mother and three of their older siblings were at this ranch when the test bomb detonated. cancer diagnosis followed. >> my mom died of cancer. >> she went down fast. >> so you had three brain tumors. >> it was one but it would break out and grow again and so i was going blind. >> before the blast, it's unclear what the manhattan team knew about prolonged exposure, but in a memo about the after effects said less than a week after trinity, the resulting dust cloud was quote, a

potentially very dangerous hazard over a band of three miles wide. for decades, doctors have drawn connections between radiation exposure and health problems. >> the study of the atomic bomb survivors in hiroshima and nagasaki, we know there are multiple types of cancer. other problems have shown up like increased risk for heart disease, an actual reduction in how long people live. so we're still learning about the health effects of radiation. >> the new study released last month finds the fallout of the blast was far bigger than originally thought. impacting as many as 46 states in canada. in 1990, a radiation exposure compensation act was signed into law to provide monetary compensation to individuals residing downwind from weapons test including california, nevada and utah but did not

include new mexico despite the residents that lived within a 150 mile radius of the trinity test. now, a bipartisan amendment that would include new mexican downwinders heads to the house later this year. congressman fernandez remains troubled that new mexicans were left out of the original legislation. >> just environmental injustice at the most explosive proportions. >> the work conducted at trinity led to the eventual bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki, japan. now advocates say it's time for the u.s. to compensate all downwinders for the role they played and ending the war to end all wars. >> didn't know how bad radiation was back then but we know better now. >> all right, thank you. we should note that oppenheimer is a universal pictures film. nbc new's parent company owns universal pictures. nbc in us reached out to the

department of defense to comment on the allegations of the downwinders including their concerns that families in the region were not warned about the trinity blast and adequately monitored and compensated following the blast. but the department of defense declined to comment on the allegations. new signs the fulton county probe is moving full steam ahead with a possible fourth indictment for former president trump just around the corner. a former u.s. attorney in georgia joins me next. you're watching chris jansing reports only on msnbc. watchinc reports only on msnbc. (christina) wanna know the secret ingredient to running my business? (tina) her. (christina) being all over, all at once. (tina) all the time. (christina) but my old network wasn't cutting it. and that's not good for baking. or judging. or writing. so, we switched to verizon, the network businesses rely on. with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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president biden closing out his remarks in arizona, touching on conserving our nation's history while designating a new national monument preserving the land around the grand canyon. what did the president say? >> reporter: well, the president just wrapped his remarks a few minutes ago and these are political events. first, the president noting as he was celebrating the anniversary of the inflation reduction act and the importance of it towards tackling the climate crisis, he noted that they're vowing to repeal important provisions. but the lot had to do with the significance of the monument. he noted in the past, the federal government has used various authorities against

tribal communities. and he said that acknowledging some dark periods in our past was important and drew a real contrast with some of his potential opponents. take a listen to what the president said there. >> the time and some seek to ban books from buried history, we're looking it clear we can't just choose to learn only what we want to know. we should learn everything that's good, the bad, the truth about who we are as a nation. that's what great nations do. and we're the greatest of all nations. only the truth comes hailing in justice. >> reporter: as we think about the politics, two interests guesting who were in the audience, senator sinema was a democrat. has changed her party affiliation to independent. is running for re-election. we've potentially next year. he acknowledged her. they seemed to have a friendly

chat. the president also acknowledging in the audience, one of the children of former senator mccain. the president noting sometimes he and mccain argued vigorously about various issues but at the end of the day, could always come together. he said he always appreciated how optimistic john mccain was about the country. we certainly remember the conflict between john mccain and president trump over the years as well. so as the former president is speaking in new hampshire today, an illusion to one of his many critics here. >> interesting dig. biden against florida. the fulton county courthouse looks different as officials prepare for a decision on a possible fourth indictment. outside, orange barriers and closed roads. inside, just a handful of employees sharing the halls with armed deputies and the d.a. just

issued a fresh round of subpoenas to potential witnesses. nbc is reporting that georgia's former lieutenant governor, jeff duncan, has been called to testify. he's one of the most prominent state republicans to oppose trump's alleged attempts to overturn the state's election results. i want to bring in michael moore in atlanta. i always enjoy when i get to talk to you about this. can you help us understand how duncan might fit into this case? >> it's a pleasure to be with you today to talk about something that's not necessarily the most pleasant subject in the world and that is what happened here in georgia with the election. the former lieutenant governor basically has been a critic of trump. i think he will come forward to talk about whether or not he gave some particular directive that a senate committee meet or there be an elector's meeting held. dealing with the fake electors seem that we've heard about in the indictments and through this investigation. and he may also deal with other

information about telephone calls he was receiving from various people around the trump orbit as it related to the election and whether or not there be a need to call a special session. he's likely there to fill in some holes and expand on some things the d.a. saw from the federal indictment that she wants to go further into the possible state charges here. >> do you have any inkling or hunch as to timing? we know fani willis has said we're ready to go. what does that mean? >> i don't have a crystal ball but i would tell you there's been sort of this drip drip noise from the d.a.'s office about whether or not they'll bring the charges or when this summer. so we know that a judge has scheduled a hearing from the d.a. and trump team had filed briefs in the case. that hearing is scheduled for later this week. so it wouldn't surprise me to see these witnesses come forward and for them to come out the

first of the week. i don't know what day the grand jury's going to meet next week, but this is not the kind of process we saw with the special purpose grand jury. there's no need for months and months of testimony. this simply will mean that an investigator will come in and talk to the grand jury about the course of the investigation, what information has been developed. they may decide to bring in a few live witnesses additionally and we know from the subpoenas they have some people scheduled but we're not talking about an eight-month delay anymore. we're talking about an indictment that can be presented to the grand jury within a day or two. at this point, we'll know. i expect we'll see a broad, expansive indictment dealing with things like the rico charges and interference with the election. all those things surrounding the telephone call with the secretary of state the president had. all of that i think will be here. nothing necessarily that was not touched on from the federal case. >> michael, before we let you go, we need to ask you about

some breaking news. the judge in trump's federal trial related to alleged election interference, the protective order that would potentially prohibit the former president from talking about the case, not talking about the case, but rather what evidence the state hands over. instead, trump's attorneys are proposing next monday or tuesday. what do you make of that? >> there's nothing particularly unusual about having a protective order. it may be defense information, capitol security information. those types of things that might be in the discovery. i'm not surprised to see that the push to maybe next week for a hearing, this is sort of routine for the trump team to draw it out as long as they can and they made traction. they've sort of made hay out of chaos in a lot of cases we've seen. so pushing off a little bit's not a big deal, but we're really

talking about schedule, ministerial things that go on in a court in a regular case. not something necessarily that sets off any great alarms at this point. >> appreciate you keeping that in perspective. thank you. still ahead, a mass evacuation of scouts in south korea amid a major tropical storm. we'll get the latest from beijing. but first, beyonce making major moves to ensure her fans could dance all night despite the weather. her tour paying $100,000 to keep metro trains running an our later after heavy rain and lightning forced concertgoers to shelter in place. even mother nature can't stop beyonce. the show did go on and fans able to get home safely. we'll be right back. to get home safely we'll be right back.

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tens of thousands of scouts today moving them away from the coast because of a typhoon. the setback for the jamboree which was marred by illness and safety concerns. janice is covering the story. >> the world scout jamboree is not shaping up as the experience of a lifetime that most were expecting. 36,000 scouts from 156 countries were on the move today, forced to evacuate their jamboree camp site because of a looming

typhoon. south korea's government has been trying to assure parents around the world that their kids will be safe but the event was plagued by setbacks even as it started last week during the country's worst heat wave in years. hundreds of teenagers fell ill. some of them collapsing from heat exhaustion. there were complaints at the camp site about not enough shade. not enough water and inadequate food. the american contingent actually pulled out over the weekend, moving to a u.s. military base near seoul. still, organizers of the global gathering which happens only every four years, say they will continue despite participants now being scattered. a scout's motto is be prepared, though few it seems were ready for this. nbc news, beijing. >> that does it for us this hour. tune in every weekday from 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc.

our coverages with katy tur reports right now. rts right now. good to be with you. is it censorship or a necessary protection? the fight over what donald trump can and cannot do with evidence in the election interference case should be routine. it normally is. but like everything else concerning the former president, this is not routine and a ruling either for or against donald trump stands to have huge consequences. the special counsel essentially argues donald trump can't be trusted with sensitive information. that he could use evidence handed over to him in discovery to intimidate witnesses or go around the legal process and argue his case in the court of public opinion. while donald trump's team argues that he has free speech and that what he says about this case is fair game. it is just donald trump defending himself. his team doesn't disagree with any protective