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special counsel's investigation. the big question is how much will a judge allow him to say about his case? and those dangerous wildfires raging across hawaii right now. the coast guard says it's already rescued multiple people who jumped into the ocean as an escape from those wild flames. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments, but i want to start right there, talking about maui, dealing with those terrifying wildfires. maura barrett is following this story. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: well, chris, it's really a dire situation. just about 8:00 a.m. right now in hawaii, so we're finally starting to get some updates from officials, but unfortunately because we're seeing thousands of people without power, down power lines on the roads, downed trees, there's a lot of issues with communication, in terms of firm details about how many injured

there might be, and rescue efforts and fire fighting efforts is limited, due in big part to a massive category 4 hurricane hundreds of miles south of the island chain but the winds that are whipping from the hurricane are fanning the flames so severely, and why we're seeing this wildfire spread mainly both in maui, and an area of concern on the big island as well. active evacuations ordered by officials, and this is something that's very atypical to see in hawaii. it's coming up on their fire season, but something this massive, officials say, is absolutely unprecedented. because of the winds from the hurricane, fire fighting helicopters are grounded. they're unable to fly, which means they're unable to drop water in an effort to contain those flames, as well as get a full scope of what the fires actually look like. you mentioned those 12 people rescued by the u.s. coast guard. it paints a picture of how severe this damage really could be once we get a better look on

the ground. people literally escaping into the ocean to get away from the smoke and flames. officials are warning that they will have the red flag evacuation order. there's emergency orders in effect for early morning hours tomorrow, chris. >> what a terrifying situation. maura barrett, thank you, and by the way, we've got much more on that catastrophic scene in maui. we will be speaking with someone driving through the island. that's ahead. now to nbc's garrett headache, following donald trump's trial, and his promise to keep talking about it publicly. this is going to be a key issue, i would say, in friday's hearing about the protective order, garrett. what more can you tell us? >> well, chris, whether on purpose or because he doesn't fully understand it, donald trump has been misrepresenting what this order would allow him to say or not say about his pending case, and he's making it a key point in his campaign speeches. once again, we're seeing this cross over between donald trump's legal challenges, turning them into political

opportunities to rally his base. i want to play for you the constraints under this order, and i would explain what they would be on the other side. here's donald trump in new hampshire. >> in other words, i'll be the only politician in american history not allowed to speak because of our corrupt system. in other words, i'll come here, and i'll say hi, everybody. listen, i'm not allowed to speak. please vote for me, new hampshire, if you would, bye. >> reporter: that's not true. the government's proposed protective order in this case would prevent donald trump from talking about evidence that's handed over to him and his team in discovery, things that are not already public. i don't have to tell you, everything that happened in the 2020 election, what happened on january 6th, what happened in his second impeachment or in the january 6th committee hearings basically the bulk of what we know about this case is already in the public domain, and well within the scope of things

donald trump could talk about, even under the government's proposed order. this will be settled at a hearing friday morning here in washington, d.c. but until then, you see that donald trump's trying to make political hay out of this, suggesting that once again, they're trying to step on his ability to run for president. >> garrett haake, always good to have you. thank you, garrett. we're less than an hour away from president biden's public stop on his tour out west. nbc's steve patterson is in new mexico. what's the president have to say? >> reporter: yeah, chris, you know you're at a white house focused policy event when you turn around and see bidenomics on the big screen behind you. that's what the tour has been about, about the administration seeing the economy. job growth is up, inflation is down, which is key. the inflation reduction act, the legislation that passed one of the corner stones of the biden administration today, one year to the date of that passing. and it's for them to say, hey, look, the economy is doing well,

and it's because of these biden policies, so they're trying to connect the dots for the american public, and in doing so, saying that clean energy is what's creating jobs, and combatting climate change at the same time, so expect to hear a lot about climate change, the extreme heat certainly that this nation has been going through, and specifically out here in the west, and also a little bit on anybody that opposes these energy policies. he's not going to get into the dirt with trump on the legal politics and the republican challengers, but he will talk about people that are opposing him on a policy level, specifically when it comes to these climate change proposals, and especially in texas. he spoke to the weather channel not too long ago about just that. listen to this. >> you just announced measures to protect workers from dangerous heat. what do you say to states like texas that just passed a law to strip the ability of local authorities to mandate water breaks for their workers? >> i think it's cruel. i think it's outrageous.

>> cruel and he says that texas could be one of these clean energy capitals, but the governor and other legislatures there are so focused on big oil that they don't have the opportunity, which is the exact opposite of what's happening here in new mexico. the reason why we're here in new mexico, at a wind turbine plant. the administration says this is one of the big beneficiaries of clean energy focused policy, and they're directly benefits because of that. they want to give a tangible example that their policy decisions are working and get above the fray of the rest of the conversation that the gop is having. chris. >> steve patterson, thank you for that. we've got new developments, and we're hearing more today from the mayor of montgomery, alabama, about that river front brawl over the weekend. nbc's lindsey reiser is following this for us. so lindsey, what's the mayor have to say about the brawl, and what more do we know about these suspects? >> chris, good to be with you. we have four arrest warrants out for three alleged aggressors here. one is in custody, richard roberts, facing misdemeanor

assault charges. two other men, allen todd and zachary shipman have yet to turn themselves in, each facing a charge of assault. of course, police and the mayor, they say they're still investigating, and more charges could come. we're hearing from witnesses also, who tell nbc news that the captain of the river boat asked the owners of the pontoon boat for some 45 minutes over the p.a. system to move. they say this was entirely preventable, the pontoon owners had ample opportunity to move which we also see in this video appears divided among racial lines. the mayor told msnbc today, this was an isolated incident among bad actors who weren't from this area. when it comes to the racial component, this is what he said. >> we've heard information that racial slurs and epithets were used. we're trying to follow up to, you know, confirm that. from my standpoint, understanding that the history of being born and raise ds here, it's a level of sensitivity that

may seem different. to see something like this in our city is problematic. >> the mayor added it's disappointing to see someone attacked for doing their job. chris, right now, the evidence they have, he says there isn't enough to meet the standard that the fbi holds for a hate crime. they continue to investigate. they're asking anyone with information, with video to come forward. nbc has not been able to reach the co-captain, but witnesses say he looked very shaken after this altercation and appeared otherwise okay. chris. >> lindsey reiser, thank you for that update. ohio voters set the stage for a major abortion fight in november. we're live in columbus in just 60 seconds. 60 seconds have fun, sis! ( ♪♪ ) ( ♪♪ ) can't stop adding stuff to your cart? get the bank of america customized cash rewards card, choose the online shopping category and earn 3% cash back. i'll always take care of you. ♪ i'm gonna hold you forever... ♪

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radio recorded this drone footage of a terrifying scene as it developed through the night and into the early morning hours of this morning. clint hanson joins me now. he has been driving around, trying to help people and bring them supplies. first of all, good for you. but what are you seeing? how bad is it? >> this is the worst i've ever seen any fire on the island. it does happen from time to time, where we can get some inclement weather. maui is known for good weather. it's been 180 years since we have been hit by a hurricane, but when summer time comes and things dry out, we have high winds, a perfect storm happens, and that's definitely what's been happening in the last 24 hours. i was in early and late afternoon, got out late afternoon, barely by taking dirt roads and getting back home only to see the fires start and

breathe the person-by-person accounts of houses being destroyed, landmarks being burnt to the ground, buildings that are hundreds of years old or over 100 years old gone. it's really kind of shocking to think about the places where you grew up to just no longer exist. to be fearful about your friends and whether -- fearful of your friends whether or not they're still alive because you can't communicate with them. watching footage of people burned alive in the streets and people panicking for their lives as they drive through flash points where if they were to step out of the car, there's very little chance of them surviving. it's terrifying. i have been taking footage in the part of the island where i live in keihe, there's been three major fires on the island. up country where hi parents' home is, there's fire all around

it, and then in kihei, i had five updates through the night, people knew what was happening with the fire. kihei appears to be spared at the time, that's what they thought about lahina yesterday. people didn't have time. we didn't have the numbers, but i think completely families are gone now. people are running to the ocean to escape, jumping into it, getting rescued by the coast guard. they have mobilized all civilian boat owners to go out there last night to try to rescue people. i'm trying to get out there to check on friends, family, pets of friends, but there's no way. the road is just completely clogged, and i don't blame them in the least because it would just be pandemonium in an

already chaotic situation. right now, i'm at the harbor, trying to find a way to get out there on a boat, but it appears that everything is pretty much locked down here as well. >> so, clint, when is the last time you were able to take to your friends in lahina, and is everyone in your family okay? >> my direct family is okay. my parents are on land briefly, my wife and kids are away from the worst of the danger. as i mentioned, the fire has changed direction in kihei and doesn't appear to be a problem. but obviously with the multiple hot spots, the most recent video, if they start up again, it could be just as bad as lahina. >> and when did you speak to your friends last who are in lahina, and what did they have to tell you? >> most of the people i talked

to work and have been servicing lahina, firefighters, boats going out there, and some of the other people's footage shows the harbor completely devastated. i mean, it's gone, i don't know how a boat can burn when it's sitting on the water, that shows the severity of how fast and hard it came. the harbor is gone. it's not there. every boat was burning. i have no idea how bad it can be when the boats burn. i'm trying to discover. with the poor reception, there's very little communications going out. i've had friends, they jumped on their mopeds to go out there to try to get to their family that they fear the worst. when you see, you know, some aunty on the ground, probably dead, and you can't get in contact with your family, you

just think the worst, and we're doing what we can to survive and find out what is going on with our loved ones, but we're not getting a lot of information out right now. >> how are you doing, clint? >> i'm lucky. i'm very fortunate. i don't really know how maui is going to survive this. we already have a crisis in housing and with so much housing being gone and being the most desirable place on the planet to live, it's not looking like it's going to be a good situation. we've already -- the governor has claimed it being a state of emergency for housing alone, nothing to do with the fire. and now we have a large swath of homes. we are at a shortfall of 10,000 homes on the island, and this is before the fire. and there's only 140,000

residents that live here. so i have no idea how we're going to face the future, but our politicians need to get together and come up with rapid options for housing. there needs to be a solution because we're about to lose a large portion of our population, hopefully it's not to death. but they may have to move out or face living out of their cars because there's not going to be a lot of other options. >> clint hansen, i know there are things you need to do now, and i just want to say that we're all thinking about you and everyone on the island, and especially to your family and friends, i hope you're able to be in touch with them, and if you have an opportunity, we would love to speak with you again and get an update. but we wish you luck, which seems like very little under these circumstances, but we do thank you so much for coming on the program. clint hansen, thank you. >> thank you.

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it now sets stage for a bigger abortion fight in november's election. nbc's ali vitali is in columbus, ohio, for us. what are you hearing about the results of this vote, and what it might mean going forward? >> yeah, chris, a lot of eyes on this ohio vote in part because it was the most recent red state to have reproductive access on the ballot and have reproductive advocates celebrating a win. this comes against the backdrop of republicans really playing defense on this issue, issue 1 was on the ballot, really because of this november amendment vote that's still to come related to abortion. . in this case, republicans attempting to say they wanted to raise the threshold of what it would take to enshrine the protections in the constitution, and other changes in the constitution. they wanted to raise the threshold to 60%. ohio voters of course said no thank you. they want to keep it at a simple majority. that was an overwhelming result. 57% of ohio voters rejecting issue 1. nevertheless, i talked to

republicans like the secretary of state, and you're right, it is wild, because still, you see millions of people going to the polls in august, at a time when this was an election that popped up in relatively short notice. a lot of the folks that i talked to said they are not regular special election voters, but they felt they had to come out for this because of the issues that were at hand and because of the coverage around it, but when i talked to republicans about this, including the secretary of state, frank larose, i asked preemptively before polls closed what would this tell him if the issue he backed failed. listen to what he said. >> was it a mistake to tie this directly to blocking abortion measures? >> i think that's a mistake that the no campaign made. >> they said it too, right? >> in a very dishonest ad where they took a 15 minute speech i did and took ten second out of

context. it's better to fight and lose than never fight at all when it's a worthwhile cause. >> reporter: but look, the position that larose is in is one that republicans nationally will find themselves in as well. all republicans now are playing defense when it comes to reproductive access. we're watching it play out on the republican presidential campaign trail. we're going to watch it play out in other states. arizona, for instance, has already started their own version of this, trying to enshrine abortion protections into their constitution. all of these are dominos in the same row, chris. >> i have to tell you, when i saw the results first, i checked several sources thinking, is that right, and it was. we have a lot we're going to be talking about. >> you noticed. i was born and raised there, family still there. you get to be there. lucky you. ali vitali, thank you so much. we've got questions today about whether chris christie's constant and targeted attacks on former president donald trump are getting under his skin. christie hitting trump hard in a way other candidates typically

avoid. take his argument to new hampshire voters that it's not trump's criminality that should disqualify him from office, it's his character. >> this has nothing to do with indictments. this has nothing to do with -- this has got to do with the character of who we want behind the desk in the oval office, and if he believes that vladimir putin is brilliant and a great leader, is that really the character and the judgment that you want sitting behind that desk making decisions on behalf of our children and grandchildren? it doesn't matter whether he's criminally responsible for what happened on january 6th. under those set of facts which he does not dispute, he is morally responsible for what happened on january 6th. so i ask you again, is that the character of the person you want sitting behind the desk in the oval office?

>> peter baker is "new york times" chief white house correspondent and an msnbc political analyst. doug hie is former rnc communications director and republican strategist, and nbc's vaughn hillyard joins me here in new york. he was in new hampshire for trump's rally on tuesday. take us inside that, vaughn. i mean, you were there. former president insulting chris christie, they have been going at it. what more can you tell us about this escalating fight? >> look, will hurd and asa hutchinson, they're trying to scrape by with 1% of support at this point, and they have chastised donald trump. chris christie is in a whole different league. he's his own creature. why? in 2020, it was literally chris christie in debate prep with donald trump healed of his debates to take on joe biden. chris christie knows donald trump. chris christie knows what gets him triggered. he knows his policy background, his history background. chris christie is eagerly awaiting that debate. it's important to note there,

yesterday donald trump from the stage in new hampshire there, when he was taking on chris christie, there was no actual direct rebuttals of any of the substance that chris christie put forward. instead, it was back to donald trump's tried and true, the most boarish, mean insults directed at chris christie, based purely off of his physical appearance. based off of his weight. that is the ball game that donald trump is playing against chris christie while chris christie is trying to, even if he doesn't become the republican nominee, at least open the door for other republicans to join on board and to try to lay out a claim to the republican electorate that donald trump is flawed beyond any indictments that he faces. >> so, doug, let's talk about specifically what chris christie had to say there. there are arguments about morality or character really move the needle with republican voters at this point? what's chris christie's game here, as you see it? >> look, i remember back 1992

and 1996 in the clinton years, when republicans said character matters. what mattered then, and should matter today as well. chris christie, after being one of donald trump's most enthusiastic early backers, realizes that donald trump is the problem here for a lot of reasons for the republican party and for the country. but ultimately, the question is how can you get under donald trump's skin, and what is that going to do. we see donald trump give a lot of bizarre and rambling speeches. will this be different? if donald trump shows up at a debate, will that be different? christie makes a difference here because as vaughn pointed out, he's been in the room so often with donald trump. that's why mike pence is in a very interesting position here. he's been in more rooms with donald trump than chris christie, and obviously in the capitol on january 6th. and i think we saw a good example of the smarts not just of mike pence but marc short, his top aide who i think is maybe the smartest tactician in politics these days, when donald trump rolls out an endorsement by a former trump aide, marc

short is on tv showing e-mails praising mike pence and criticizing donald trump. that's smart. it's also preparedness, and it's why between pence and chris christie, especially if donald trump is there, it's going to be an interesting night. >> peter, you wrote the book on him. how vulnerable is donald trump to having somebody get under his skin. is there a weakness for trump that if nothing else, it does provide an opening for maybe somebody who's got a little higher ratings in the polls? >> well, look, if anybody can get under his skin, it is chris christie. that's his nature. vaughn mentioned asa hutchinson and will hurd who are critical of the president, but not in the same way chris christie is. chris christie knows how to throw a punch and take one as well. we watched what he did in 2016 when he basically helped destroy marco rubio on a debate stage by mocking him for being robotic,

and then marco rubio played into that by repeating his lines again and again. he is the one person who would get in his face on a debate stage in a way that none of the others will and potentially could get under his skin. donald trump doesn't like to be challenged. he doesn't like to have people in his face. he doesn't like to have people tell him he's wrong, and i think it would be a fascinating interplay to see the two of them go at it if they are on that stage together. >> what do you think the chances are that that could happen, and then i'll come to you, vaughn, because i saw the look on your face when i asked peter that question. >> he likes attention, no doubt about it, but it's not in his interest to get on the stage when he's dozens of points ahead of all of the competition, it raises his opponents in their view to look like the equals of him in a way they're not right now if you look at the polls. the idea that there's going to be a show on the tv that will feature all of the others, and he won't be a part of is, you know, that's kind of hard for him too.

i look for counter programming, a big rally at the same time there was a fox debate, he chose to skip. something like that. because he doesn't like the camera to be on anybody else much longer. >> we know that's true, vaughn, but does he also find himself vulnerable. he's chicken. he won't face us. >> donald trump is sensitive. in 2015, 2016, he enjoyed the banter more. donald trump is surrounded by people in his orbit now who agree with him, who say great job, boss, you're doing an awesome job. nobody that has dissenting opinions and point of views, it's donald trump's world, and nobody is here to cross him. for donald trump, it would be a decision whether he goes on to the stage two weeks from now. he asked the crowd in new hampshire, should i go and debate them, should i give them the time of day, up by 50, 60 points, the 2, 3,000 folks in the crowd unanimously booed no. for donald trump, he feels he is the king maker of the republican party. he is the leader of the

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we have some truly spine chilling news out of texas. a 17-year-old has been arrested after threatening to shoot up a local school. his cousin, the uvalde gunman behind the deadly attack at robb elementary that left 19 clirn children and two teachers dead. the suspect called the san antonio police station monday saying he quote, planned to do the same thing. that's according to the arrest warrant affidavit. she told police she overheard a phone conversation her son had that morning, trying to acquire an ar-15. the suspect's sister told police that he quote, threatened to shoot her in the head and stated

that he would shoot the school allegedly noting quote, school is starting soon. the question of what defines a gun is working its way through the courts right now after manufacturers and sellers of ghost gun kits sued the federal government over rules that treat them like ordinary firearms. the supreme court in a 5-4 vote decided yesterday to allow the biden administration to continue regulating ghost guns while that issue is litigated. it's a narrow decision that was welcomed by the justice department, which said it helps law enforcement fight crime. the weapons have proliferated in recent years, according to the atf, the number of ghost guns recovered at crime scenes increased ten-fold between 2016 and 2021, the question of regulation could end up before the supreme court, and there's no telling how they might rule in the case. joining us is melissa murray,

former law clerk of justice sotomayor, law professor at nyu and msnbc legal analyst. i know you have looked at the decision. chief justice john roberts and justice amy coney barrett joined the three liberals in the majority. what do you make of that and this decision? >> well, i don't know that we should be calling it a decision, chris, it's an order from a shadow docket proceeding. this is the court's emergency docket where it takes up applications for emergency relief, and what prompted this emergency order was a trial court in texas that imposed a vacator of the banning ghost guns. the court stepped in and said while the litigation on the propriety of the legislation is pending in the current court of appeals and indeed if it goes on to the supreme court, for the time being it will reinevacuate the rule, vacating the vacator.

the fact that amy coney barrett and john roberts joined the liberals is telling, it doesn't necessarily mean that either of them will actually be with the liberals if this comes back before the court. >> there's a lot at stake. i think both sides would argue that. what are we looking at in terms of a time line? is it possible to predict? >> these things take time. it's currently pending in the fifth circuit. the fifth circuit issued a temporary order but didn't necessarily reinstate these regulations and so that's why the department of justice sought this appeal, this emergency appeal before the supreme court. there will likely be a decision from the fifth circuit, and then there will be, likely, a petition for certiorari for the supreme court if the department of justice doesn't get the outcome they're hoping for from the fifth circuit, which seems likely. that will be a longer process as the court decides whether or not it will take up the case. it doesn't have to. it already has on its docket for

the upcoming term, another case, involving the scope of gun regulation, in the context of those who have been convicted of domestic violence offenses, so there's already a gun rights case on the docket, not clear whether the court will have the appetite to have two high profile gun cases in the same term. >> that case about whether people convicted of domestic violence should be able to even have a gun. melissa murray, i'm sure we'll be talking to you about that in the future. thank you. robert lanes was sentenced to ten years in prison for shooting megan thee stallion, ending a case on how black women report abuse. a jury convicted lanes of three felonies of shooting megan in the foot. meghan testified he shouted finger her to dance and fired a gun five times toward her feet. she hasn't experienced a single day of peace since that

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americans are going further and further into debt to make ends meet. the federal reserve bank of new york says credit card debt has topped $1 trillion for the first time. and experts say as a result, a huge test for card holders is just around the corner. cnbc's morgan brennan joins me for cnbc on msnbc. hey, morgan, what else does this report say? and what does it mean for millions of folks out there? >> that's right. well, chris, $1 trillion, that's trillion with a t. let that number sink in because americans have never racked up that much debt on credit cards before, going back to when the new york fed first started reporting the data in 2003. the trillion dollar mark was crossed after credit card balances jumped 5% in the april through june period. it marked the 7th straight quarter of year over year growth, and what it signifies is americans have been turning to their credit cards to make ends meet heading into the summer. there are a few reasons for this. strong consumer spending in the

face of inflation. in other words, americans are buying more and doing so at higher prices even as all of the access savings accrued by households during the pandemic continue to dwindle. something else to watch. although delinquency rates are growing, more folks are falling behind on their payments. the fed's measure of credit card debt, 30 or more days late. that climbed to just over 7%. that's up from the first three months of the year. it represents the highest rate of delinquency since early 2012. the new york fed warns that rising balances may present challenges for some borrowers going forward, particularly when student loan payments resume this fall. that is expected to be a very big test, since consumers with college debt won't have as much income to devote to paying off those cards. cards, by the way, for which the average interest rate is now more than 20%, which is also an all-time high after all of those fed rate hikes to tamp down inflation. >> that's a terrifying number.

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the popular obesity drug wegovy could have medical benefits beyond losing weight, according to a new study. novo nordisk announced yesterday that the drug reduced the risk of heart attacks and stroke by 20%. that is potentially a game changing development in the fight against heart disease which is america's leading cause of death.

the findings are also the first to demonstrate that a weight loss drug could have additional health benefits, potentially paving the way for insurance companies to cover the expensive medication. let's bring in dr. vin gupta, pulmonologist, and msnbc medical contributor. always good to see you. so we should say, novo nordisk has not released the full clinical trial results and outside scientists have yet to review it, but if it is true, how big of a deal could this be? >> well, chris, good afternoon, this is yet another finding to your point, data is not publicly available, that should encourage us all in public health and medicine. what we have seen from this class of drugs, wegovy, ozempic, munjaro, a different but similar medication, people are shedding weight on these drugs, 20% of body weight on the highest doses of the medication, it's once a week, an injectable medication.

the data released yesterday in press release form is encouraging. i'll say something we don't talk enough about is that if you're on say 12 weeks of wegovy and you're an insulin dependent diabetic, you go from needing insulin to potentially not needing insulin. this is a transformative moment for patients. >> these weight loss drugs have exploded in popularity recently. there's obviously a lot of potential, as you just pointed out for medical benefits beyond losing weight. just in terms of the amount of health, the number of health issues that come out of being overweight, how important can they be if, indeed, we find that they're safe, easy to use, don't have too many side effects? >> well, this could be a solve for the biggest epidemic that's afflicting our country and large parts of the world. the epidemic of obesity, chronic

noncommunicable disease. if we can solve the obesity epidemic, less likely that people will develop high blood pressure and diabetes. that is great potential solution. the issue here is price. right now, these medications, they require cold train, that's expensive. and it's 1,400 to $1,600 for a month's supply. most insurance companies including medicare are not covering it. that's the big problem. >> and most people can't afford a price tag like that, and then there are also the side effects. i mentioned that. "the washington post" collected the stories of patients who reported on scary side effects. they included heart palpitations, things that surprised them, and forced them off the medication. what do we know, generally, then, about the risks in this class of drugs? >> there's a few, and i'm glad you brought this up. frankly, we don't have enough lived experience with the medications in the real world. we don't know for example, how long do you need to be on the medication once the desired

amount of weight is lost? do you need to remain long term, clear knowledge gap. there are gastrointestinal side effects. potentially heart palpitations if someone is losing fluids, body fat, you can have electrolyte disturbances. we see a lot of decline, attrition in patients that get one dose of the medication, but then don't follow up for a second dose. that nonadherence, potentially because of side effects or costs is a big part here, and impacting the dynamic. i think limiting the potential of this class of drugs. >> dr. vin gupta, always great to have you on the program. thank you my friend. that's going to do it this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. ♪♪

good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we know that abortion was a potent political motivator in the midterms last year, but we have not known how enduring a motivator it would be. in other words, how long would voters keep turning out on the issue. well, now we have a good idea that the energy surrounding abortion is not fading. and that overturning roe v. wade could prove fatal for the gop and untold contests to come, potentially even the race for president. the latest evidence comes out of ohio, a swing state that has been leaning red over the past few elections. republicans there scheduled an august special election, held yesterday, to vote on raising the threshold to amend the state's constitution from a simple majority to 60%. the late summer contest was intended it head off a vote on abortion this fall, specifically a measure