>> good morning, it's saturday august 12th and you're watching velshi. i'm charles coleman junior, filling in for my friend ali velshi. we begin this morning with the latest developments in the fast-moving case of the united states versus donald j trump. there are major developments in the governments election interference case against the former president. federal judge tanya church can judge a grand of the special counsel team requests for protective order just yesterday. their protective order ceased to limit what trump can and cannot disclose about the case, and the trove of evidence that prosecutors are looking to turn over to the defense during the discovery process. now the government has requested a protective order that covers everything into schoharie. but the judges really does not

go that far. it prevents trump from publicly sharing materials that quote, the government designates as sensitive. that includes things like personal information of possible witnesses, recordings, and testimony. the defense argued a protective order would infringe on trump's first amendment rights. but chechen noted quote, the need for the criminal case to proceed in no order, and to protect the integrity of the process means they're gonna have to be limits on the defendant speech. and later in the hearing, she emphasized that trump is quote a criminal defendant. he is going to have restrictions like every single other defended. it was the first time both sides met in a courtroom with trusted, this federal judge assigned oversee the case. we'll meet with her again in a few weeks, on august 28th to disrupt the, discuss the trial

date. the special counsel team that is proposed starting that trial on january 2nd 2024. that is a sign of how fast the government wants this case to move forward. now the defense has yet to respond. but if we can learn anything from trump's other federal criminal case, it's that they will likely proposed date that is much later in the future then try to create as much of a delay as possible. for more on this i'm now joined by nbc news justice reporter ryan reilly, who is inside the courtroom for the protective order hearing. ryan, thank you so much for joining. good to have you. what exactly does this protective order actually cover? and what is it going to stop former trump from two, from talking about? >> the protective order covers a lot of the information, or at least it wants to cover a lot of information that's going to be turned over. essentially they said 75% of it could ultimately be covered in

their rights. now of course, donald trump's team has the opportunity to oppose some of, that and say hey, we don't think this should be subject to the protective order. they have to turn over these millions of pages of documents if you want to get at the end of a -- if you want to get these things moving ahead. i think the judge is making sure that both sides knew who was running that courtroom, what is the biggest priority, and making sure donald trump's team knew that the party really should be -- making this a public spectacle. saying that this wasn't, going -- . to make sure that this is the normal order. i think the word normal came up several times. it's a normal order. let's go. let's get this thing ahead. another word --

she said that the biggest priority, making sure this case moves ahead. >> ryan, what you just mentioned is some of the most stern top that we've heard from a judge. what was the reaction from trump's team in terms of how they were reacting to it, and responding to what the judge was telling them, and how stern she was actually being during the hearing. >> you know it's interesting, i think a lot of what you see is often donald trump's lawyers performing for an audience of one, meaning they're trying to basically show off for the president. but of course this wasn't something that was livestreamed in any capacity. but there certainly arguments that donald trump was very excited to hear made there that probably weren't very effective in court. we saw a couple of side eyes i think coming from the judge when this was, won some of these arguments were being made. but you know, what at least a lawyer was saying in court was that he was promising that donald trump was going to follow all these rules, in the judge said yeah, i mean, he sort of has to. good was her reaction.

that's, she's in charge of this courtroom. i think she wants to make that very clear going forward. she is someone who has been tough on some of these other january six defendants, and several defendants have been sentenced to longer sentences and the government suggested. in her courtroom, she's made clear that january six was a major event. i also found it interesting given her background as a public defender. she is definitely emphasized how privileged some of the defendants coming in for january six have been, compared individual she had represented. who had a much more difficult life. that's been a really interesting background that judge chutkan has brought to the courtroom. >> brian riley, thank you so much. with me now is tim o'brien, the senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion. and also the host of the podcast crash course, an msnbc political analyst. also joining us is noah brooke find, our president and ceo of

citizens for responsibility and ethics. thank you to your both for being here on this morning. tim, i want to start with you. trump has been arguing that this protective order, and the case in general is basically infringing upon his first amendment rights, and that the government is trying to stifle his free speech. my question to you is is that an argument, or a talking point that is going to resonate with his actual base? in terms of his campaign to become president again. >> i think of course it's going to resonate with his base. but that's not the most salient issue here. it's whether or not it's ultimately going to resonate in court. there's been this, i mean there's two issues here. there's a long with a donald trump is untouchable by the law. and that he spent decades stumping his nose at the law, and rules and regulations, which is true. but it was never fully held accountable because he has this mythic invincibility. but the reality is, he's never been subject to an intense criminal proceeding with

devoted and dedicated prosecutors, pounding the fact pattern, and his own defenses in an indefatigable way. and that's happening right now. i think he's not used to playing in that court. i remember hearing the mueller probe, he routinely talked about the fact pattern that mueller was probing. mueller and his co prosecutors raise the issue whether or not trump was obstructing justice by doing so. he certainly was trying to influence witnesses. there wasn't a jury in play there. but now you do have a jury in play, with witnesses in play. i think judge check-in is saying, you can make a first amendment right argue it. but your first privileges your, right to free speech, they don't extend into subverting the judicial process. and they don't extend into intimidating potential witnesses. or tampering with the jury. because no one is immune from being held to the same standards in a court of law as everyone else.

so yes, he can make this argument, his lawyers have made it in every case has come up recently in both federal indictments, to say that this is a government trampling on his rights of free speech. it's a garbage argument, it's a gossip or argument. legally, i don't think it's gonna get him anywhere. >> tim, quickly, you mentioned the mueller probe, he's been impeached twice. he's always push the limits. why in his mind should this be any different? >> i don't think it's any different in his mind. he has a long career of regulators, and others looking at him in sort of slipping by. but remember, in the early 1970s, he and his father were investigated by the justice department for racial discrimination against potential tenants, and trump properties. and they were held to account for that. and they didn't escape that. that was essentially the last time he was subject to a serious federal probe. mueller was not taking his case to a courtroom. he was making it essentially he

was pursuing investigation, that he was going to leave, lead others to do something with. the impeachments for the same thing. it was a congressional proceeding. it was not in a courtroom. this is different. he is not used to it. and he is really playing with fire. i think judge chutkan has said, if you choose to talk about evidence that you see, or if you choose to talk about anything that's become public in an evidentiary way in this trial, i will hold you to account. she's given him a first warning, i expect others to come, he's not an easily silence person as we all know. >> to that point no, a trump has not been easily silenced. he has continued to really push the limits in terms of publishing different things on his truth social platform, including one truther, or whatever they're called, that cites a government filing last week. in that when he says, if you go after me, i'm coming after you. do you really think that there is any judge, whether it's

judge tchotchkes, or any other one that can rein him in and put a stop to these types of attacks? >> i think that judge chuck kin in these prosecutors are in a bit of a difficult position here. because of what donald trump is putting out there. he threatens to certainly potentially intimidate witnesses, it raises the possibility of improperly influencing a jury pool. but it also could put people at risk of violence. we've seen donald trump make statements after the search at mar-a-lago, which actually led a supporter showed up at an fbi office with a gun. so they're gonna have to do something. at the same time, i think they understand that it is a politically explosive thing to really take steps to shut down a former president, or current presidential candidate.

certainly something like moving towards contempt, or putting him in prison. i think they're in a tough position. i think that george chutkan has shown is she serious about this. and if he continues to act in threatening ways, or ways that could influence witnesses, she will take those steps, as difficult as that maybe. >> no, i want to sit with you for a moment. this, week the new york times reported that two prominent conservative -- have both concluded that the 14th amendment disqualifies donald trump from holding office. i find it interesting that you and your organization crew have been making the same arguments as well. what do you think about what was reported in the times? and you intend to follow up on that in any formal fashion? >> absolutely. we actually were successful last year in removing in

official in new mexico, under the 14th amendment. it was someone who had participated in the january six insurrection. so we are very much of the belief that this applies right now. what was so significant about the piece yesterday was that it showed that smart people, experts, knowledgeable people across the political spectrum are concluding that the constitution prohibits donald trump from holding office because he engaged in an insurrection. this should not be a partisan issue, or a political issue. and we absolutely are planning right now. we're in the process of preparing to take legal action to enforce this prohibition. which is in the constitution. i think it's really important that conservatives and others across the political spectrum are coming around to seeing that this is a law. >> tim o'brien, and noah

bookbinder, a very important conversation. thank you to your both. coming, up republicans keep losing culture wars. but they're not done fighting them. i will talk about a very embarrassing loss at the gop suffered this week, and what it may mean for the fight ahead. plus, at least 80 people are now confirmed dead from the historical line wildfire. we'll go live to maui for the latest to contain the blaze, and efforts to find people still missing. and make sure you tune in for politicsnation tonight. as reverend al sharpton represents msnbc in talking to vice president kamala harris on the show. the vice president talks about the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, and where the fight for, fight for voting rights starts now. during the interview, sharpton asked the vice president what she wakes up concerns about. listen to how she responded. >> our democracy.

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son, is now the subject of a special counsel investigation. on friday, attorney general merrick garland elevated david weiss, who is the sitting u.s. attorney for the district of delaware to special counsel status in the ongoing probe. weiss, who was nominated by donald trump and confirmed by republican 12 control senate in 2018, has already been investigating biden for roughly five years. he's been looking into allegations that biden failed to pay adequate taxes, and that he on lawfully owned a gun, while using illegal drugs. which is a felony. back in june, biden agreed to plead guilty to two tax related charges. which would have allowed him to avoid prosecution on felony gun charges. however, the deal fell apart after trump nominated federal judge refused to accept it. saying she did not want to be a quote, rubberstamp.

biden then pled not guilty to the charges. weiss reportedly asked attorney general garland for special counsel authority on tuesday. after further plea negotiations to resolve the tax and gun charges broke down. meaning that now, a trial is much more likely. joining me to discuss this is nbc news white house correspondent monica alba. monika, good morning. now by all accounts. the appointments of the special counsel to investigate the president son should reinforce the idea that the justice department is impartial, and does not in fact work for any particular party or political regime. but it does not seem like republicans are buying that. >> that's right charles. really they're taking issue with the man who has been elevated to the special counsel status. with david weiss in particular. republicans are slamming the move, because they say, well look, david weiss was central to what they call a sweetheart deal. the deal that had it gone

through and become reality, would how spared hunter biden any prison time most likely. so they're saying, and arguing we're hearing from senators like lindsey graham for instance, that david weiss is quote, in their words, compromised. so why do they expect him to do anything different now? and really, that is the central question that a lot of us had when this all unfolded yesterday. why if in the past when asked even merrick garland had scoffed at the idea of david weiss needing special counsel status. because he said he had the full authority to continue to see what he needed to do with this case. and even some irs whistleblowers, back in that congressional testimony, suggested that weiss had asked for this before, and weiss was the one who came out and said, at least argued on his own behalf, that that never had happened. so what changed, and what led us all to happen on tuesday when he did go to the attorney general in say, i now feel i need this new status. and the attorney general said that he felt it was in the

public interest to do so, given all of the sensitivity. given of course the major political implications here. charles. >> that was nbc's monica alba at the white house. thank you so much. coming up after the break, republicans suffer an embarrassing loss in ohio. how they try to win and losing fight by rigging the game that ended up losing them even bigger. you don't want to miss this. stay tuned, we will be right back. l be right back tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai. so researchers can help life underwater flourish. ♪ my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

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knew that there are unpopular draconian abortion bans were likely to drive voters to the polls in november. how do they know this? while recent polling shows that nearly 58% of voters in ohio support the abortion rights amendment. so what do they do? well looking to avoid a near certain defeat in november, they tried to change the rules in august. they rushed to assemble a summer special election that would actually make it harder to change the constitution. this republican-led ballot initiative, known as issue one, would have meant that the abortion rights measure of the november ballot, as well as any future ballot measures to change the constitution in ohio with need 60% of support, instead of just a simple majority. critics called a strategy cynical. they call it undemocratic. and some called it for what it was, a political scam. and on tuesday, voters responded.

and they responded in grand fashion, defeating that actual initiative by a 14-point margin. now if you think of this, the law seems even more significant, because had they just waited until november and lost then, it wouldn't be so bad. but to break it, and try and win now, and then lose so badly, it almost just feels way worse. washington post columnist, ej dion put it this way. quote, when you do everything you can to rig an election and still lose, you have a problem. voters in ohio told the states republican party on tuesday that it has a big problem. and they sent that message to the gop nationwide. joining me to unpack all of this is jennifer reuben, opinion writer for the washington post and an msnbc political analyst, as well as michelle goldberg, a new york times columnist and msnbc political analyst as well. michelle, i want to get right into this with you. what is your reaction to the

quote i just read from ej dion in terms of the gop's big problem. is this loss for republicans and ohio bigger than just ohio? >> well, it's bigger for a couple of reasons. i mean partly because as he said, this was an attempt, a very underhanded scheme to thwart the popular will in ohio. what we see in ohio, which is a conservative state, is a legislature and governor that are far more conservative than even the right-leaning populist. because of gerrymandering. and so you have a near total abortion ban in ohio. although it's been held up in court. ohio, you'll remember, the state where a ten year old had, a ten-year-old rape victim had to flee to indiana to have an abortion. and so, the people of ohio, it's been clear for a long time, they don't want this draconian anti abortion regime. there's very little they can do about it through electoral

channels. so they plan for this referendum. the referendum strategy as one we're seeing more and more. there's been six referendums against, i guess it's now seven. seven referendums on abortion since the dobbs decision, since roe v. wade was overturned. the abortion rights side has won in all of them. you know, abortion bans, in most places in this country, they can only be enacted in the teeth of popular resistance. so in ohio, they scheduled this referendum for august. which is a very low turnout month. and what's especially ironic is that they had, the legislature have just banned august special elections are few months before they scheduled this one. precisely because they're such a low turnout, they made an exception for this one, because they really wanted to go under the radar. >> jen, i want to paint a picture for our viewers to they make understand the make up in ohio. because i think it only intensifies the seriousness of

what we're talking about. ohio is a state where the house is led by republicans. where the senate is led by republicans. and not just led by republicans, but there is a super majority of republicans leading the state senate there. and they also have a republican governor. this is not a state where people are opposed to republican officials. this looks to me like a red state that doesn't want to go as far as republicans are trying to take it. am i missing something? how do you square the fact that there are so many different republican elected officials. but they still can't get these ballot initiatives passed? >> i think there are two factors going on here. one is what michel alluded to, which is that the state is so heavily gerrymandered, that even if the republican party does when at state law elections, and presidential elections, the makeup in the

legislature is so overwhelmingly republican. and so deeply red. because of the way that the lines are drawn. it doesn't represent even a republican state. it's a super right-wing legislature that they have. the other issue is that republicans don't want this to have either. if you look at the map of where the initiative laws, or where the people resisting changing the role of people, and people who arguably are in favor of greater abortion rights. some of those areas voted for trump in 2020. so this, you don't get margins like this in ohio. or a huge victory last year in kansas, in even deeper red state, without seeing a coalition. for some democrats, there's just not enough democrats in ohio and kansas. they're republicans and independents. this is just a dead loser for

the republican party. when they lose on the issue, they go after democracy. we saw this in tennessee, they were losing a public debate on guns. so what do they do? they threw out a legislature. a couple of the people who had protested with students in favor of gun safety. when you can't win the issue. you try and stab sabotage the democracy. the problem with that, it doesn't work either. you are now in a position where the republican party is trapped. trapped of its own making. its base is insisting on these increasingly radical positions. not just on abortion, but on other issues. and those are losers with the public. even in republican state. now you have democrats who used to be very timid about running on quote cultural issues, who now want to emphasize leaning into abortion. those lawmakers, in particular women congressional candidates who are in very tough states, very tough the, they leaned

into abortion. and it worked. they won. and they remained in the congress. i think you have democrats who are just very anxious to have these votes. they have another one in ohio. and when you have 2024, you can bet that democrats up and down the ticket are leading into the abortion issue. republicans have only themselves to lane. to blame. they embodied radicals, and now they have to deal with them. >> jen talked about the fact that for trump, there were 15 counties that voted for him in 2020. they also voted down this republican ballot measure on tuesday. really quickly, i have 60 seconds left. what does that tell us about the republican strategy as we get to november? are they just not getting the message? >> i think there are two things. one, partisanship can sometimes override up and down issues.

but at the same time, i think a lot of people saw as a kid it was very hard to convince the voters that donald trump was serious about banning abortion. they looked at this serial philanderer, incredibly laotian, even perverted figure. they just didn't believe that he was actually gonna carry out the agenda of the christian right. that case is going to be a lot easier for democrats to make in 2024. >> two of the absolute best minds to have in this conversation. jennifer reuben, michelle goldberg, thank you very much. coming, up will head to maui for a live report on the latest efforts to fight the devastating and deadly wildfires, in the search and rescue mission for thousands that are still missing. you're watching velshi. stay tuned. >> nobody thought it would be like this. >> we just hear screams, out of a horror movie. >> e -- not the other way. zevo traps use light to attract and trap flying insects

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least 80 people are confirmed dead, due to the devastating wildfires. officials say the death toll is expected to still rise. it's already one of the deadliest wildfires in u.s. history. the second deadliest in the last 100 years. why governor josh greene says it's likely to be the largest national, natural disaster in the state's history. several thousand homes and structures have been destroyed so far. tens of thousands of residents have been displaced. >> we have seen devastation, destruction, and measurable loss. loss of life, loss of historical places and properties, businesses. >> what we've seen today has been catastrophic. but we tell you there is going to be a team effort to bring our state back. what we saw was the other

devastation of lahaina. >> joining me now from the island of maui is nbc's steve patterson. he is out at a roadblock entering the town of lahaina. the town turned to ruin by the blaze. steve, what is the latest on the efforts to fight the fires and find those who are still missing? >> charles, the good news is, the major firefighting operations have all been ended. there are still some flare-ups, and we've got three major fires still burning on the island. the good news going back to that though is that most of those fires are contained. especially the big one that burned this town, 85% contained at this point. so cruise, officials, not really worried about those flames necessarily spreading to other communities, although hotspots have popped up. that is an issue of concern. and they are certainly keeping an eye on it. what is the major operation now is what you're seeing on screen. the devastation in lahaina, search and rescue crews have

been activated all day and all night. they are combing through the wreckage. there's a list, a growing writ list. it's not official, but there is a number of missing people that have not connected to their families. it is estimated to be at or over, or even more over 1000 people. and so search and rescue crews are doing everything they can to locate those people. to make sure they're not in the wreckage. as part of that they're digging through the wreckage to find bodies. it's the grim task of recovery. it certainly has started. we're talking 80 people now that already makes it one of the most deadly wildfires in american history. number will almost certainly rise as crews now go in the interior of some of those building. that's a process that will be ongoing for the next 24, 40, eight 72 hours solid. in the meantime, we now hear there is a state review of the emergency procedures that took place during the fire. if you notice, several residents, many residents

report not hearing sirens. then the state itself admitted that those emergency sirens didn't go off. the state is one of the most sophisticated integrated science systems in the entire world. the sirens did not trigger, instead alerts went out by text, by tv, by phone. but little good to people. because power was out for so long. that's part of what's going to be investigated as this moves on. but right now, the focus is on that town. it's on search and rescue. and it's on the grim task of recovery. charles. >> certainly a story we will continue to watch. steve patterson. thank you. up next, it's been six years since unite the right. the rally in charlottesville virginia, and some people have just accepted white supremacy as a normal part of american discourse. but we don't have to. i will talk about the legacy of that day, and donald trump's infamous response to it.

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of people. this driver backing up, and witnesses say, dragging at least one person. >> it's barreling towards protesters. i jump under the, way ice cream car. >> hundreds of white nationalists, somewhere in what are appears to be uniforms, carrying weapons, confederate flags, and not see symbols, clashing with counterprotesters. the rally originally meant to protest the city's decision to remove the statue of confederate general robert e. lee, but it quickly turned to chaos. [crowd chanting] [screaming] >> that was just six years ago. 100 people gather for what became the largest white national event in this country that had been seen in decades. the images from the unite the

right -- were seared in our national memory as white people march with tiki torches. many of them masked, chanting, jews will not replace us. and attacking counter protesters. the direct aftermath, then president donald trump, condemned the violence, kind of, sort of. calling it quote, an egregious display of hatred, bigotry -- .

>>,. >> and make sure we can secure our rights and privileges. and push for expansion of education. things like that. >> don, six years ago you were in charlottesville. white nationalist showed, up and marched in your city. they had to he torches, swastikas, confederate flags. since that time in your eyes, what has changed, if anything? >> the cover husband pulled off. the wound is exposed. many of those who came were not

just from out of town, they were right here, they walk amongst us every day. people like to claim that that's not charlottesville. yes it is. very much so. it is charlottesville. we're very much a battered city, a battered community. it's, it's a case of the house and the have-nots. you know, we still battle many of the same issues. it hasn't gone away. we see that from the january 6th riots, -- a spillage of august 12th, 2017. we have folks who are very much disconnected, and unhappy about the state of the election. you talk about the obama years, well there's no way that you can, that there was eight years of obama that could come back,

and cover the 390 year -- that we've had in this country. there are some states in this country that, throughout this country's history, if that stand out. 41, the kennedy assassination and 63, sorry, 62. martin luther king day sasse nation in 68. of course 9/11. august 12th of 2017 will be one of those dates on the racial timeline in the history of this country. that has to be remembered. for those of us who live here, who lived through that event, we don't want to, we don't necessarily want to remember it. but we don't want others to forget about it either. >> carolina, leave my last question to you. given that neo-nazi white

supremacist ideology, it's not just about race. it has elements of sexism, it has elements of being anti gender, and a lot, always this alone, we've seen neo-nazi groups of over and over again. sometimes even while armed at different dragon, finds pride events, and earlier this year, even at disney in florida. what do you make of that from a place of intersectionality? >> well number one, i think the most important thing is, if you feel, if you've lived a life of otherness in any way, we really have to be allies and advocates for each other. and because we share a common adversary. i think figuring out how to really unite and navigate, and you know, showing up for pride events if your person of color who doesn't identify on the lgbtqia spectrum, that is an essential part of your obligation, to you, know the civic engagement for big, broad

speaking progress. so just looking at those pictures, and talking about what we're dealing with right now, i think about, you know, the protests that we watch in the 60s. my grandma was at the nashville 's sit ins. and the white kids who grandparents were spitting on my grandparents, they're my age walk iran national. i talked my grandma about what it's like at that time, she said it was scared. white kids are hearing something about that too. i think it's complicated. we haven't addressed this stuff, and now it's reemerging in a way that's very frightening. i think we have to be so vigilant about, you know, honoring the people who were other, in ways that we are not. because we are all in this together. >> vigilant indeed. such an important conversation, as so many continue to try and normalize white supremacists and white nationalism in

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