week. through all of the indictments, amid so much political division, it's easy and understandable to get mired in all of that. today, we're going to do something a little different. colorado governor, jared a stao find common ground and some unlikely places. he's coming up first. plus, the last former congressman, tim ryan, about the balance democrats need to strike between making the case against donald trump, and the case for their agenda. also today, ahead of the sixth anniversary of the inflation reduction act, we're going to name some names when it comes to republicans taking credit for something they voted against. later, a wide range of conversation with gun safety activists. i catch up with him to discuss organizing around the place of gun violence in the start of his next chapter, right here in washington d.c..

the last few weeks have been historic, unprecedented, and yes, at times, pretty alarming. former president, donald, trump is under an avalanche of legal trouble. remember, those cases are not just about the criminal conduct of one man. there are about the future of our democracy, and our very way of life. the stakes for this country could not be higher in this moment. the question of who is leading the country impacts every single issue you care about. we'll continue to talk about these cases, through every twist and turn. believe me, i understand that a former president under multiple indictments is enough to shape the confidence of anyone in our system. today we're going to change things up a little bit. in part because i was pretty along when i saw a recent poll that 37% of voters think we're in danger of failing as a nation. failing. i wanted to spend the show talking about some of the people about the efforts to make progress, even under the threat of trump hanging over everything.

not to sugarcoat the challenges, we're not going to do that, but to explore during a period that can feel pretty dark, where there are places to be a little hopeful. even against the backdrop of the last two and a half crazy years, democrats have worked on 250 bipartisan bills. some small ones, but a number that represent big headway. gun safety legislation, and infrastructure bill, the chips act, the inflation reduction act, just to name a few. at the state level, there are a lot of governors who are not as beholden to the polarizing dynamics that we've seen in washington. among them, democratic governor, jared polls of colorado, and republican governor, spencer cox of utah. they recently teamed up to launch a new bipartisan initiative to tone down the rhetoric and promote a healthier dialogue around politics. they're asking americans to, quote, disagree better. >> there is a healthy whale to deal with conflicting opinions. actually, it's okay to disagree. >> it's not just, okay it's crucial. >> did you just disagree with me about disagreeing? >> healthy disagreements means

not assume made that the other side is diluted, misinformed, or actively trying to overthrow america. >> a little responsive curiosity keeps resentment off the dinner table. >> that sounds good. governor polis and governor cox think we can all disagree better. can we? one fundamental rights are being stripped away in one chunk of the country thinks, with good reason, by the way, that the leader of the opposition is a criminal? how exactly do we do it? joining me now is a democratic governor of colorado, jarred pulse. he is the vice chair of the governor association. governor, thank you for joining me this afternoon. i really appreciate you taking the time. >> always a pleasure, jen, good to be here. >> i want to start with where i ended there. a lot of that sounds good. with all of the fundamental challenges to the rights of people, i mean, you've talked about this publicly as well. how do we exactly disagree better? how are you going to measure your success in this effort? >> yeah, this isn't just about something that's nice to, do we're nice to have. it's something that we have to do to restore our faith and

integrity in the system. first of all, what's important to point out is that it doesn't mean that anyone can serve, or liberal need to compromise their belief or values. what it means is that we should have authentic conversations. not questioning the motives of those on the other side, but rather, having an authentic conversation about where we disagree, and, yes but where we agree. there's a lot of ground for agreement as well. spencer cox and i, and the national governors association, workers at the governors of all the states and territories. they're really highlighting this as what i feel is the most important issue right now. beyond a particular issue that you and i might get into some later, this overlay of how we discuss these issues that we disagree. we simply have to step up and do better as a nation. >> this feels hard, in a moment, right, when people, like i said, they feel like their rights are being threatened. there are big, big disagreements on important issues. as you mentioned, you're

working with governor cox. he just signed a ban on abortion claims and the state. how do you disagree civilly? this is really a lesson for people who are having a hard time with this, understandably, was someone who you have such fundamental disagreements with. >> i think for my perspective, and the way we talk about, it is important to bring people together. i think what we'll find is that those who are choice advocates, myself included, yourself included, we would love to find ways to reduce unwanted pregnancies. when a woman faces that choice, as always very difficult. of course i'll argue every moment that it is their choice. how did that woman get to that situation? how can we make sure that women are equipped with the right information, the right access to birth control, to avoid ever having to face what is a very gut wrenching decision, no matter how or if the government weighs in on it. >> i want to ask you about something personal too. this is where it becomes very hard for people. you are, maybe this could be a lesson to others. you are an openly gay

politician, you are one of the first, you are right now, there are republican policy centered around culture wars, demonizing the lgbtq+ community. this means that also, disagreed civilly, as you, said with people who might disagree with who you are. how do you deal with that? how can people deal with that in general? >> it's important to not demonize the other side. it's fine to have disagreements about how you live your life, and i respect people of different faith traditions who want to live their lives in certain ways. i hope they have that same shared respect for me. what's important is that we don't go into our quarters and say that's evil person because of maybe they don't accept the fact that i married, or maybe on my side they think that somebody who's on the lgbtq community may have been stigmatized or attacked by religion, they might time to demonize people, particular. face set that aside and say, look, it's simply wrong to demonize people, to dehumanize people. it's okay to disagree.

it's okay to have those conversations. we all have worth is individuals, so we need to highlight that. >> so one of the challenges, governor, since you're very familiar with us, is the fact that nearly two thirds of republicans still believe the false said that biden didn't when, president biden did win the 2020 election. the feels kind of fundamental to a lot of these disagreements. how do you deal with that? how can you meet them where they are to help separate that fact from fiction? >> frankly i think that's more than a cause, it's actually more of a result of this dynamic that we're in, that we've got to get out of. where people are somehow viewing those opposing them as not of moral worth. of somehow dehumanizing, and moving away from objective facts into the realm of subjective opinion. it's important to get the facts on the table. that includes education, outrage, making sure we have

these authentic conversations. it doesn't get better. my people were treated and a quarter and only talking to people who agree with them. i encourage everyone to go ahead and call that cousin, that uncle, that neighborhood might feel a different way. then not start in accusatory way, but say, let's have a real talk about this. and your concerns. asked them to explain why or how they didn't think an election turned out the way it dead, and, again you can talk about the facts and how that conversation at that level, rather than the level of doubting the motives of those who might feel differently than you. >> well one of the places that people may start is where they agree. you may recommend that, i'm guessing. i know you disagree with governor cox on a lot. what is an area you agree may surprise people? >> well you know, just this morning, governor cox and i did a forum on workforce innovation and readiness. how can we deconstruct and create a new way with the credit ships, and students, and high school, and highlight

something that is a national issue. how do we make sure that students from all backgrounds get the skills they need to succeed. in terms of the vital needs of today's workforce. we have two job openings for every unemployed person in our state, but many the people who are unemployed don't have the skills they need to get those good jobs. how do you focus the discussion, innovation, great energy that civil society has on something that real problems like that? rather than on the issues of divide us. >> that might surprise people. that is something that people should be able to agree on. what happens when you and governor cox discuss donald trump? or do you? >> well i like the way that governor cox puts that. he says, he appears to be republican, obviously, the former presidents. he says, i would be happy to mentor and teach the president, president, trump to do better and use the language of humility route that division. of course, the phone call hasn't been returned. i don't think he's terribly optimistic norm by the president trump will avail

himself of this training. here's another thing to point out, jen, you will get's politicians, whether it's president trump or someone else, if there is a market for sowing division and discord down the modes of the side, some politicians will rise to that market that. the key question is how do we look ourselves in the mirror as the electorate, and, say we simply won't reward that kind of behavior? we will reward the behavior people huron, the power that ideas, their ideals, who understand that those who oppose them or people who are doing their best and believe in what they're doing is right. let's have that discussion on an authentic level, rather than try to dehumanize those who we might happen to disagree with. >> governor jared polis, governor the great state of colorado. half my family lives. thank you so much for joining us this afternoon. i really appreciate it. coming up, i'll talk to former congressman, tim ryan, about what he calls the exhausted majority in america. , and how he's trying to give voice to it. plus, marjorie taylor greene is on a roll.

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multiple trump indictments, understandably, democrats are kind of in a tricky position, especially if they're running for office hygiene into 2024. the one hand, it makes all sorts of sense for democrats to point out the dangers associated with another presidency, like, say, the existential threat to our democracy. on the other hand, they also have to make a case for their agenda, and what they would do if they're reelected, or elected to office. take the economy for instance,

the president is partly bragging about good job numbers, the fact that inflation is finally cool enough, and consumer confidence is up. despite all of that, almost half of americans aren't exactly convinced that the economy is in a good place right now. a recent poll found that 49% of registered voters would rate the economy as poor. compare that to the 20% that say the economy is excellent or good. that could include why despite trump's many indictments, president biden's neck and neck with him among registered voters. to get over that hump, president biden has to make his case to communities across america that are still struggling economically. help them understand how their benefits will benefit them. in places like northeastern ohio, the steel factories and manufacturing plants. my next guest were presented this in congress for nearly two decades, and he's been a long time advocate for talking about communities that feel left behind. joining me now is former ohio congressman, tim ryan, who just launched a new advocacy group

called we the people. focus on voters disengaged with the current political climate. hello congressman, also call you congressman, i think you got the title for life. you, great to see you. you just launched the group we the people to reach what your call in the exhausted majority. i think a lot of people would agree with, that are relate to it. how do you reach people who are checked out from the political system? it's kind of an angel political question. >> i think first and foremost, you know, you let them know that they're not alone, there are a lot of people out there who still care, but are exhausted. we get concerned because i'm back in ohio, i talk to people, i don't even know if i'm going to vote. i'm tired of the whole thing. that cannot be the answer. we want to make sure the people know that they have a home with the other exhausted people in the country. what we're going to do, jen, we're going to highlight some of the really cool stuff that's happening in the country, the

solutions that are out there, whether it's healing our kids, having an american energy policy. there are some real solutions that aren't in that red or blue, there's a very short of the blue shirt, it's common sense american staff. we want to highlight that. i think that can start to give people hope. >> there's been an effort to do that, i mean, you ran for senate and a campaign that i think was surprising to people. i know you know currently a senator, it still didn't work, right? president biden is going to alter the country to talk about the policies, exactly those he's advocated for. you've advocated for. how will this make a difference, or what's going to be different about this effort? >> well it's going to take a while, and i think that the main message for us is that this isn't like you just vote in an election, and we outsource it to washington d.c.. this is about a renewed commitment to our own civic

responsibility, civic engagement. we want to read the peaceful representative and all 1000 in 42 counties in the united states. again, highlighting the things that are working so that people say, well, maybe it is working. you mentioned economic opinion about people. you have to take a half a step back i think and say, this is after 40 years of trauma, real economic trauma for the vast majority of the people in the country. i know and we have talked about it, and i understand it, that trauma is still there because of globalization, automation, the erosion of the middle class some nobody carrying in those communities have fallen apart and been forgotten. that is still in the dna of most american families. it's going to take a while to get through that, i think the policies that the president's push, that i voted for when i was in congress, the i.r.a., the chips bill, ohio is front and center to benefited from that. we're going to chip manufacturer in there. data centers, natural gas power plants like things are starting

to move. it's going to take a while for that to really sink in for most people, to where they can relax and realize that they are going to have a great future. >> i know that you've said that you're not going to fields. i know label ticket, or third party to get. you're not, i think you have said you're not going to get involved in the presidential level. is there an electoral goal that you had? there are lower ticket races, where do you see this effort investing? >> we are going to support the pro democracy folks that are running. we will be very hostile. and aggressive with our media to fight the anti-democratic forces in the country. there is no blossoming of the new ideas if it's getting strangled by the anti-democratic forces that are out there, and clearly, president trump, maga, they are the leaders of those anti-democratic forces. he is clearly not a serious person. biden is clearly the pro

democracy candidate. what we want to do, jen, we have ways that we are healing veterans. we have programs around mdma, psilocybin, he leaned vets from deep trauma. we have trauma and evolved care, mindfulness in school, social and emotional learning in schools in florida. turning things around. we have renewable energy companies working with a natural gas industry to displace coal being burned around the world. we want people to get excited about this. we want to organize them. we want to advocate for pushing policies and investments into these ideas. to me, once you start getting a little momentum, i heard governor polis conversation, politics is downstream of culture. we've got to get into the culture if we're going to shift the politics. >> you represent a district in northeastern ohio for 20 years. you traveled across the state when you are running for senate. why do you think, you visited a

lot of places, my husband's families from ohio, as you know well. why do you think the state has flipped your former destructive, much of the state has flipped to be more of a trump supporting state than a state that embraces what tim ryan, joe biden, and others have represented. >> well i will say this. i think that the democratic party in the state overtime has eroded. we need a more robust party in the state of ohio. it's not like pennsylvania, it's not like michigan or wisconsin. we have some work to do, we have new leaders. i think we're moving in the right direction. we didn't have that off your democratic party that could help with turnout. when a non presidential year, we've got four, over 400,000 crossover voters that voted for me, and voted for the republican governor. this is really unheard of in modern politics to see that level of crossover. we didn't get the base turnout. i think sheriff brown's running

next year, he's going to have a presidential level turnout, he will get the crossover appeal that i think i got. i think it's still a swing state in a lot of ways. we have to build the party backup. >> congressman tim, brian i need to visit you in ohio. let me you -- coming, up ahead of the one year anniversary of the inflation reduction act, republicans take a victory lap for something that they voted against. i've got a few thoughts on this apoxsee, and what it tells us about the political moment we're living in. later, why gun safety activists, david hogg, join to shooting club at harvard? that surprised me tonight. we'll discuss that much more join the walk to wash into. we'll back after a quick break. a quick break me today? (hero fan) uh, yea. i have to watch my neighbors' nfl sunday ticket. (josh allen) it's not your best plan. but you know what is? myplan from verizon. switch now and they'll give you nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv, on them. (hero fan) this plan is amazing! (josh allen) another amazing plan, backing away from here very slowly.

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washington on their behalf, of the people they representing, to serve the interest of the people they represent dane. delivering on their promises to make their constituents lives better. even when at times it's politically difficult. the politicians and provides updates on what they've been working on, what they've been up two to the people who elected them. finally, if the voters are still happy with the record by the next campaign, they'll elect them again. but recently, a number of republican politicians have skipped a pretty important step in that process. apparently, for this crop of elected officials, voting against legislation, and even aggressively attacking that legislation, does not prevent you from taking credit for its benefits. maybe they think no one will notice, unclear. let's start with infrastructure. it was passed with bipartisan support. the members who supported it should absolutely go out and brag about the benefits. many have. the problem is that a number of republican leaders who voted against the bipartisan infrastructure package have since come out of the woodwork to tout the benefits to their

district. congressman ashley of iowa said the bipartisan infrastructure package, washington gamesmanship. spending at its worst. strong words, congresswoman. sounds like you hate that bill. too much later, she praised the nearly 830 million in federal funding that the state received as game changing. that's quite a flip. senator tommy tuberville, remember that guy? about obama. he voted against the bill because it was, quote, loaded with giveaways to big cities of projects both have little to do with real infrastructure. it all seemed to get really under his skin. investing in roads, railways, bridges. except, apparently, when it comes to projects in his own state of alabama. just last month, the senators are a lot of the million dollars efforts to expand broadband access. by the way, who was behind broadband access? congresswoman, nancy mace, called the infrastructure bill of fiasco. a socialist with celeste. recently, she held a press conference to discuss the

nearly $30 million in funding that was secured for the charleston area regional transportation authority. doesn't sound like she thinks that was a fiasco. congressman sam graves, chairman of the house transportation committee was, another who voted against the bell. that didn't stop him from posting this after district just received funding. this is what he posted. congratulations who all who helped secure this funding. congratulations indeed. not to him though, i guess. look, i got, it everyone loves infrastructure. people want their roads and railways, and bridges, improve. they want access. it's an easy thing to praise, even if you did vote against it. what's interesting is that it's not just these funds that republicans are trying to take credit for. it's also the expansion of clean manufacturing in districts across the country. expansion that has moved, and large part, because of the clean energy tax credit and the inflation reduction act, the big climbed bill that was passed. take a look at marjorie taylor

greene. in august of 2022, the congresswoman says that clean energy would, quote, put america back into darkness. i don't think she understands the science there. the inflation reduction act was in americas last disaster. in april, they treated favorably about the expansion of the solar company, q cells, and the jobs he would create in her district. here's the thing, i think you know where i'm going here. cue cells specifically attributed the new investments of the passage of the inflation reduction act. in oklahoma, governor kemp incident praised a new billion dollar investment in a solar cell and panel factory. he had called the inflation reduction act, quote, disastrous. then insanity. investing in clean energy is insanity, everyone. yet, according to the company, the new investment was made because of the tax credit in the inflation reduction act. i could go on here. as much as republicans who to cried president biden's administration, their

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said the inflation reduction act, and expansion economic package that, among other things, provided new funds to the iris, lower prescription drug prices, and created unprecedented investments towards domestic clean energy. that is a big climate bill. since it was signed into law, republicans appointed to its high price tag as an example of wasteful democratic spending. one year later, it looks like it might have been the right investment. cross america, multiple states are seen a manufacturing boom. gdp groups are increasing faster than expected. inflation is at its lowest point in two years. joining me now to discuss the impact of the iri, but also, what is behind the disconnect we are seeing between economic data and the way voters are feeling about the economy as my friend and former colleague, multiple times over, brian

deese. he is the former director of the white house national economic council. brian, i have to start with the thought bubble of what is happening in your head when you see republicans out there who voted against the i.r.a., who voted against the infrastructure package, both bills you helped negotiate, taking credit for it, and talking about the benefits in the district. what is the top-able in your head. >> well, it's good to see, you jen. i think, i have always been a strong believer that good economic policy, ultimately, makes good politics. i think that this is going to be one of the great examples of that. i guess what's in that thought bubble, to, me is any day that we are having a debate about who gets credit for improbable economic progress, manufacturing boon in america. it's a good day in my book. as a good day for the country, and it's a good day for the president to. ultimately, the president went out and made a very courageous choice. he committed to fighting for

this legislation even when it seemed very hard. there were some lonely, lonely times over the course of the last two years on that front. he, along with partners, got it done. this is based on an epic economic theory that investing in this country would help to unlock a manufacturing portal. to help unlock long term economic growth. i think that we are seeing outcomes that exceed almost everyone's expectations. it's really hard to deny that progress the closer to the ground to get, the closer to a community that you get. ultimately, if republicans want to have that debate about who deserves credit, you're starting that debate from an acceptance that we are making economic progress. that's a good thing for the country, for the president. >> even with this progress, in the economic data does support that argument, of course, including the inflation numbers going down, lowest in two years, but in polls, the american public almost half of them, they don't feel like the economy is going well. what do you, i know that you

are focused on the policy side, always happen, but you are politically savvy guy too. what do you attribute that to? >> i think that there are two things going on. one is, we have just been through a period of economic trauma, the covid crisis and its aftermath was unlike anything that this country has lived through in 100 years. we are in a period of transition, it's going to take some time. the second thing is, the economic thing zaidi that people feel has been years and decades in the making as well, and so people, naturally, are hesitant to except when they see progress on the horizon. they want to know, is that progress going to continue? i think that's a natural process. we, economists, say that this data operates with the leg. you start to see the economic data improving. you start to see a confidence improving, we're starting to see that over the course of the last couple months. that should translate into people sentiments on the economy as well.

i think that's what's behind it, but it also goes to some of the points we've been making. democrats in this president need to be out there making the case, and meeting people where they are in helping them understand why investments and infrastructure, investments in clean energy manufacturing, are actually going to be relevant to their lives. that is a case that needs to be, made needs to be made very vigorously over the course of the next months and years. >> and the many foxholes i've been with you, a lot of them have been legislative battles, meanwhile congress is on a big break right now in august, they're going to come back in the government could shut down. what is that going to come down to in your assessment and how worried are you about that happening? >> well look congress in the presidents of the most dangerous economic issue earlier this summer and the fact that the debt limit was even on the limit was a self inflicted threat to the

economy. they found a way through it. the way they found a way through it was to agree on funding levels for the next year. you know, i think what should happen is clear. congress should come together, they should have funding bills consistent with that agreement. they should get that done, they should pass bills. they should move on. what i think will happen is we're going to have a lot of drama about fighting about funding. ultimately, we're likely to see the government get funded and small incremental, lays. this is not efficient, but we have come to get used to this. can we have a government shutdown? i think it is very possible. ultimately, it'll come down to what they're the republican caucus can except and reflect the fact that their leadership agreed to a set of funding levels, and operate against those. i think as you know, as we've lifted multiple occasions, there's always the risk of some unrelated ideological issue gets injected into the funding process and blows it up. i hope that won't happen, i

think that a very well might, but in terms of the overall macro economy, the biggest risk was the debt limit. we've taken that off the table for the time been. >> before i let you go, we have to go full nerdy here. i have to ask you about the recent downgrade by the u.s. credit rating. it was downgraded from a aaa to a aa+. the citation and that decision was fiscal deterioration over the next three years, and repeated down the wire debt ceiling acculturations. this was one of the warnings around this negotiation. what's your read that move? how concerned are you, should people be? what do you think this will have on additional downgrades in the coming months? >> look, i think the actual decision by fetches incoherent. they cited multiple rationales. one of which made sense. including data that deteriorated under the last administration, improved. as you say, including the

conservative -- that was just addressed by the presidents and congress recently. i think that, really, the actual fitch decision is, should be irrelevant economically. we have a broader question about how do we continue to make progress and strengthening our fiscal position. that is something that policy makers are going to have to take seriously, and frankly, and the election, i think that republicans are going to have to make a decision about whether they continue to be for completely unpaid for tax cuts in a fiscal environment when that is part and hard to justify. in terms of the actual decision here, my hope, and certainly what the market should be doing, it is booked through this issue. i don't think there's much to justify would fetch dead. >> all right, i always love talking to you. it always brings me way back, i appreciate it. up next, he's become one of the most prominent gun safety activists in our country. all before he even earned his diploma. now that he's graduated from harvard, david hogg is stepping up his activism in a big way.

i recently caught up with him to talk about that, and the importance of finding common ground in our politics. that's next. n our politics that's next. what have you learned over the last couple years about what works and what doesn't? then you would like others to know. >> it's a little bit different for me because i am known by a lot of people who are very big emory supporters, for example, as the face of gun control. for the, they assume a lot of things when they come to me. they assume that i'm going to hate them. >> how do you ease their concerns? >> what happens a lot of the time, jen, is people will message me and say awful things. they'll say some kind of curse word of profanity that i cannot say on tv. i'll say, look, i can respect that you don't agree with me, but i can't accept the fact that neither of us want gun violence to continue, we can't find any common ground here at all. as well, what i'll say is, is there anything i can say to you that will change your mind, potentially? any amount of information? most of the time to say no. i say, okay, got it. how about instead of debating this, we focus on what we can

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name in the fight for common sense drug reform in this country. he's been outspoken about the need for change since the mass shooting that his high school in parkland, florida, back in february of 2018. now is a recent harvard graduate, he is in washington, spearheading the march for our lives effort leading up to the 2024 election. now, he's stepping up his efforts to mobilize young voters with a new pack he's just launched with leaders we deserve. the goal is to elect more young people to state legislatures and congress. >> our generation refuses to back down. in 2018, we shattered youth voter turnout records. in 2020, we helped power president biden to victory. in 2022, we were critical and holding off a republican red wife. now, we're not just voting. we're running for office and were winning. >> i recently met up with david

here in washington to talk about his next chapter, and to visit the exact spot he was when he launched into the national spotlight more than five years ago. >> hi, david. good to see you. thanks for spending time with me this afternoon. >> thank you for having me. >> let's have a seat. >> of course. >> you just graduated, which has led you here. congratulations on that. >> thank you. >> at your graduation, you tweeted out a video thinking laura and grandma marjorie taylor greene, and the haters, i guess that you characterize. i loved that. i think fighting back of people who are talking you is so important. why did you do that, and what was the reaction? >> the reaction was just what i thought it was going to be. i think the reason why i did that was because i wanted to show other young people that you don't have to cower to belize. we can do them work, get educated, don't listen to the haters. >> there are things about your back on that surprise me when i learned about it. including the fact that you

join to shooting club, is this correct? >> i did. >> and college? >> i did. >> why did you do that? does that surprise people, like me, when they learned it? >> i think this is really my first time talking and a formal context about why did that. it was after one of the many shootings that had happened this year that i was thinking to myself, i just could not sleep that night. i was thinking, what is the last, what have not done? we've talked to counter protesters, we've talked to people who support, us we've rally support, with turned up voters. i think what i realized is the only thing i haven't done as i have been going directly to a lot of the people who do this. meet them where they're at. surely that's not for everyone. in the gun violence protection movement, by any means. i grew up around guns. my dad was an fbi agent. my first time shooting guns was why was in fourth grade. what better way to demonstrate that i understand what i'm talking about then to learn more about gun safety, talk to gone owners who don't agree

with me, and many of them who do agree with me, right? they're on gun owners who do you support the things we talk about here. >> the u.s. had its deadliest six months of mass killings since 2006. one, how frustrating is that to you? how do you attribute that, to someone who's been involved in this movement for several years? >> it's very frustrating. extremely frustrating. i attribute that to, it's not hard to figure out. we've sold 100 million more guns, basically, since 2018. there are over 400 million guns in this country. you sell more guns, you'll have more condense. it's not rocket science. >> i -- to a lot more young to congress. it's called leaders we deserve. how did this come, about? >> the youngest member of congress was formally working for march for our lives. with march, we had seen the power of young people turning out across the country. working with maxwell's campaign manager, we realized how amazing it is that there are

two members of congress, and a really well connected state legislator, and we wanted to bring that model to a place where it really counts. of course congress is great, but the worst legislation in the country is coming from the states. don't say gay, permit-less carry, all of these horrifying pieces of legislation, the far-right warn our children, the fight to loosen gun laws even as gun violence gets far worse in this country, it's not coming from congress. it's coming from the states. what we want to do here, we're working to help get candidates plugged into the resources and connections they need to succeed, to help become the next generation of maxwell, not just in d.c., and tallahassee. >> you've launched a pack. are you going to get engaged beyond that in 2024? are you going to endorse joe biden, for example? >> yes, of course. that goes without saying, honestly. he's been such a champion of gun violence protection. even before it was popular. a lot of the work he did on the assault weapons ban on things like that. >> you're well-known for something that launched new far from here.

should we go check it out? >> yes. >> let's walk over there. >> that's a good friend to have -- ♪ ♪ ♪ >> here we are at basically the scene of where the main stage was for the march, now five years ago, back in 2018. following the mass shooting at your high school in parkland, florida. how does it feel to be back here? what doesn't make you think of when you reflect on that day? >> it makes me think about how we have the larger protests in the lead up to vietnam. when i was a young person, i couldn't seat at the time because i was young person, obviously. >> you're still young person, but yes. >> as i've gotten, older i started to realize why it meant so much to, people what we were doing. it gave them hope because we are young people who've gone through so much but we were standing up for something, unlike many the people defaulted behind us. we stood for something. it makes me very hopeful that that happened but it's

heartbreaking. despite all this momentum, you know, congress only changed a little bit by helping fund marginal support gun. >> what do you do for yourself to keep your mental health and check, and prevent your burnout? >> while i hike allot, for one. i watched the office a lot. i read a lot, of course. i think that beating college was a great way of helping me not burnout. it helped me have a semblance of normal life and her team that is not related to every day shootings that happen. i think that what's been the most helpful, even though this is not an activity, it's more knowledge. it's knowing that the movement is not on any one person. >> david, thank you for spending time with me this afternoon. i really appreciated. >> i pray shade. it hopefully we will get too sweaty. >> speak for yourself. >> i will definitely be keeping a close eye on what's david hogg is up to as he settles into his new life here in

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