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could to take back to them. a lot of them don't drive, they don't have gas, i'm just hoping and frankly let me through the line. if you can't get their insulin, they are going to die. and the diabetes medication, high blood pressure medications. this is -- yeah. >> we are following that, along with this investigation into the death of a three year old migrants being bused out of texas. by governor greg abbott. and the cavalcade continuing in iowa, as candidates make their case at the state fair. we will take you there live coming up as well. we want to begin, though, with this breaking news we have been following all afternoon. what could be -- could be -- a major development in the donald trump georgia election investigation, with a possible indictment coming as soon as tuesday. text messages uncovered may public filing showing members of a firm hired by trump lawyers coordinated a visit to the coffee county elections office. the text messages, they are part of a long running lawsuit filed against georgia secretary of state, but they are getting new attention today amidst

speculation they could play a major part in the case being built by fulton county d.a. fani willis. in a moment, i'm glad to speak with dementia from the atlanta journal -- i want to go to -- who is standing by for us. gary, start things off for us. tell us more about what we are learning here. >> just to give viewers a little bit of background here, coffee county is in the southeastern part of georgia. it's a very rural, sparsely populated county. and it went for donald trump, 70% in 2020. this is not exactly a counter you expect republicans to be meddling in by any means. but that's exactly what we believe happened here. sydney powell, the trump associate and conspiracy theorist, hired a group to head to the county's election offices and one of the employees of that firm said, quote, they are scanning all of the equipment, imaging all the hard drives, and scanning every single ballot. this is something, as you might imagine, that d a fani willis might be interested in and

looking into. -- special counsel jack smith in washington d.c.. that is the coffee county part of the things. but as a list of what we are expecting to happen this week, there's two reasons we believe that things could be happening this week, as early as tuesday afternoon. first, is because of what you see behind me. the barriers. security precautions. they've really been upped in recent weeks, around the immediate area of the courthouse. this street is open to traffic now. but you see the orange barricades, and the bike racks. those are providing some serious protection along the fulton county sheriff's office, which is been for circling the court has all afternoon. that's on the outside of the courthouse, and on the inside the courthouse, we know what's happening on tuesday. which are two interviews for the grand jury. one of them, with an independent journalist named george -- who saw some things related to fake electors around this time period. and, also, with jeff duncan, who's the former lieutenant governor of -- georgia. and he is someone who's involved in conversations as it relates to donald trump, his associates, and people in and outside of the white house, as

it relates to overturning a potential -- of this 1:20 election. that's going on here on the ground in fulton county. yasmin? >> all right, gary for us. thank you, appreciate it. tina, walk us through how this revelation, this reporting, now coming out of coffee county, kind of ties into what we are expecting this week, especially with kind of the smoking guns emerging, when it comes to what we think the fulton county d.a. has possession of. >> what we are hearing from coffee county is one of several kind of threats that the dea could be looking at when it comes to what charges she could bring against former president trump or any of his allies so you have coffee county. it's a republican-leaning county. on the surface, you would think, why would trump be concerned about the voter data there? it's not a county where he feels like he should have won, and he didn't. he carried coffee county.

but what he had in fact the county were allies who were involved in elections, who would give access. and so, that's why coffee county became so important to donald trump and his allies, as they looked for evidence. we know that evidence did not exist. but they were looking for places where they could challenge -- they could get access that they felt could help them challenge the outcome of the election in georgia. but again, coffee county, and the access they were given to very sensitive, private, voter data, that should never have been accessible to the public -- it was made accessible. that was just one thread. the fake electors, another threat. the threat and abuse faced by former election workers, that's another threat. >> and the phone call as well, to the secretary of state brad raffensperger? yet another threat. i want to reach specifically to you, some of the reporting that we have and the connection it has to sydney powell, just to

reiterate to viewers where we are at. so we are on the same page here. there's text messages in his public filing, showing members of a firm hired by trump lawyers coordinating a visit to the coffee county systems. text messages and communications are part of this long running lawsuit filed against secretary of state but the coalition for good governance. i couple that with, sydney powell being called to testify in front fulton county grand jury, in which she did not show up. how key could she be to this whole thing being tied together? >> yeah, sydney powell is one of those people who was very involved in the effort to overturn the election in georgia, and as a result, she's among those trump allies who could be charged. again, we don't know, because she hasn't been talking much lately. but she was a big -- very much involved in the stop the steal efforts in georgia, as well as other contested states. we know that she was working

closely with former president trump at the time, which again, could be used as part of that effort to create a conspiracy charge that involves the former president. you've got to show that there were a bunch of people working together for those racketeering charges, the fact that trump was working with sydney powell could, again, be a factor. we don't know. we probably will find out in just a matter of days. >> tell me more of what aj c is reporting here? of course, breaking yesterday, the tenant governor testifying on tuesday, learning now, as well, of a testimony of a journalist and then in the coming two days, what more do you know? >> so, what that tells us, and what my ajcc colleagues are reporting, is that it's looking like the grand jury that's going to be given this case to review, is going to start working, we think, tomorrow. which is monday. and then, more evidence on tuesday. and we could find out as soon

as tuesday evening, whether anyone will be indicted. >> all right, team inches for us, with the atlanta journal-constitution. we want to bring in former u.s. attorney joyce vance, to talk more about this. let's kind of wave through the muck of what we are learning coming out of the fulton county d.a.'s office, and what they possibly have on him. it seems to me, what we are learning overall, the 30,000 feet above -- view of this whole thing, is they've got a mountain of evidence coming out of the fulton county d.a., ahead of these two days of testimony we are learning, and a possible indictment. >> they do. and that helps us understand the problem that fani willis faces. she is the district attorney in fulton county georgia, she can charge crimes that were committed there, but she doesn't have jurisdiction in coffee county, where some of the most interesting and powerful evidence comes from. this notion that trump forces

were trying to access voting machines, and we're trying to engage in election obstruction there. and that's why this rico charge that we've heard about so much makes sense. it allows her to bring in a lot of different participants in this scheme. it allows her to bring in a wide ranging conduct, particularly georgia conduct. and that's likely what we will see a rico indictment later this week. >> talk about, though, how it could complicate things when you have multiple people possibly being indicted here. right, we've seen a lot of names thrown out there. if you could offer some other names that you are suspecting are going to come out of this george indictment? i'd be happy to hear them. but when you think back, of course, to jack smith's approach to this whole thing, it was united states versus donald j trump, right? and it seems as if this will not be the case for the fulton county d.a., and this indictment that is coming. and how will that complicate things when it comes to the

prosecution of this thing, along with the timing of it all? >> i think that is right, this is a very different prosecution, with very different motivations than the one that jack smith is doing. his is a prosecution designed for speed, i suspect what we'll see here is the prosecution designed for completeness. the georgia rico statute is complicated, the longest trove that ever took place in georgia took a couple of months, a trial that took place under this particular statute. there are a lot of moving parts. add in additional defendants and you've got more complexity. we've all seen in the mar-a-lago prosecution, that it's taken time. just to get lawyers. just to arrange the defendants. which is a state that's usually so -- just, so routine, that it happens days following arraignment. but in florida, that's still ongoing. now, multiply that out, you've got a dozen or so defendants,

and you can understand the complexities that come into play. and figuring out who the defendants might be is something i think we'll just have to wait on, and see. but one of the interesting dances that is going on right now is that they're individuals who realize that they can either be a defendant or a witness, and this weekend is the time to make that choice. >> but that's exactly the conversation, i think, that we were having after we saw the drop of the indictment for the former president coming out of washington, with all those coconspirators, considering what could be in the pipeline for them. i'm wondering, how much crossover you think there is with the coconspirators that were unnamed in the indictment, but that nbc confirmed, obviously, i believe -- coconspirator number one is pretty giuliani, number four was -- johnny's was in their one point as well. how much crossover are we going to see from washington d.c. and that indictment with fulton county? >> it seems likely that we will see some, just because some of the players overlap. --

not only named coconspirator, at least we don't believe so in the federal indictment was instrumental in setting up calls with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger, was involved in efforts to look into the weather, there was any -- that's true for people like rudy giuliani and sidney powell. so there is the potential for a lot of overlap, the federal cases obviously broader, it involves all seven at the contested states. but it's very interesting to see these two cases proceeding side by side. >> joyce vance, you are sticking around. we are thankful for that. we are going to talk about the latest protective order in trump's cases, i will see you in a little bit on that. we are back in just 60 seconds, folks, with the latest on the devastation from the maui wildfires, and the pleas for help from residents dealing with the aftermath. >> we need to heal and recover. they are just standing there blocking the road, they haven't passed out one simple water

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as to why the response was not what it should have been? >> no more clarity on that, although the governor, alongside the mayor, saying that this fire just burned so hot, and so fast, and so terribly, that any response would have been difficult. that, of course, under investigation. the state attorney general will look into that. meanwhile, there are 4500 people displaced. this checkpoint, a lot different than it look yesterday, yasmin. we had a lot of residents coming through, waiting in line that went back miles and miles and miles. and then they were turned around. because police were worried about the sanctity of the scene and safety on scene. there are still smoldering hotspots. presidents now not to go around the island, if they have access. but there is still a lot of worry about this scene, i don't want to get too graphic, but that fire burned so hot that it twisted metal. it dissolved glass. there are human remains in places where people may not even know there are. so they edification work is

going to take a long time. the estimation is they've come to maybe 3% of the town. think of that. 3% in 93 dead. so of course, the death toll expected to rise. we've been speaking to residents who have been there, who have seen the horror of it, and also sort of know the aloha spirit that is bringing everybody together, and getting supplies where they are needed. listen to this. >> i couldn't even -- i don't want to even. >> you will cry if you see the area. everything is burned down to the ground. i couldn't even describe how it feels. >> it's so -- i don't know. it's a nightmare. it's amazing what people are doing. >> hawaiian people. people in hawaii are very -- you know. >> very strong. >> very strong. lahaina strong. >> lahaina strong, hawaii

strong. i do want to make it clear though, still a lot of frustration from the population here. people saying they aren't getting enough information, as far as at these checkpoints, where they can go, when they can go. people still need water, they still need food, this still need fuel. there's just not enough to go around, because the crisis consumes a huge part of this island. so, any supplies, they are taking them, they are distributing them. but people are still in shelters, and they are still looking for answers. that's an ongoing situation, is part of this humanitarian crisis that's alongside the crisis in town of search and rescue, and now, unfortunately, a lot of it will focus on recovery. yasmin? >> my gosh, steve patterson for us. thank you. we are going to continue to follow this story, coming up later i'm going to speak to the chair of the mueller council, alice lee, that what our community needs right now. and the mounting scrutiny over whether residents were given enough warning. still ahead, keeping trump quiet? what the former president has

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being received, right? what folks are actually saying about it. there are some concessions here. >> that's right, yasmin, it's those concessions that are most controversial about this deal. it's not like iran is agreeing to release these americans as an act of charity to the united states. they're doing it because of what they're getting in return, namely the release of several iranians who are detained in the u.s.. even more importantly, perhaps, six billion dollars of iranian funds that had been frozen due to u.s. sanctions and south korea, that iran is once again going to have access to it. that is creating a real chorus of condemnation for this agreement. a lot of it coming from republicans like senator tom cotton of arkansas, sits on the senate armed services committee. he's calling it a ransom payment and a craven act of appeasement that will only give more funds to iran to spend two years on terrorism. we've also heard from the israeli government, which considers iran its arch enemy

and a threat to its existence. saying, look, we do not support any deal that does not stop and dismantle iran's nuclear program. they're worried iran is gonna use this six billion dollars to actually fund more acts of aggression towards israel and its interests around the world. but the white house says that simply not the case. this it's not like iran is simply getting six billion in cash to do what they want with. in fact, this money is gonna be turned over to the -- government, helped involved in brokering this agreement. iran will only be able to spend under close supervision by them on things like food and medicine that fall under humanitarian exemption to those u.s. sanctions. so, the biden administration is insisting that this constitutes no lessening of u.s. sanctions and saying they're gonna continue to ramp up the pressure on iran when it comes to all of those other nefarious activities that republicans, israel, and other iran critics are so worried about, yasmin. >> also wondering admits the breaking of this news and the

still as to whether not the united states is also currently negotiating with iran on the iranian nuclear deal, i think there's more news to come on the, we'll be watching that as well. josh luhrmann for us, as always, thank you, my friend. coming, up the battle for iowa, donald trump sucking up a lot of oxygen at the iowa state fair this weekend. he's not the only gop candidate trying to use the event to win over voters. we're gonna look at how the others fared. plus, it's been more than 24 hours since a protective order in the trump election -- went into effect. the former president has been noticeably quiet about the prosecutor and the potential witnesses like mike pence. joyce vance is back to talk about all of that coming up. t all of that coming up. is strong enamel- nothing beats it. new pronamel active shield actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a gamechanger for my patients- it really works. what do we always say, son? liberty mutual customizes your car insurance...

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counsel weiss will do his job without fear or favor. but i have confidence that the jim jordan congressman and others will continue to do their job for the american people. >> that was the former vice president, mike pence, speaking exclusively at nbc news this morning about the appointment of special counsel on the hunter biden case. this weekend, some other gop candidates, they had opportunities to talk about that and more. they flock to iowa state fair. all in the shadow former president trump's brief visit, want to bring in nbc's -- covering it all for us from des moines at the iowa state fair. ali, talk to us.

anybody have any breakout moments this weekend? >> well, look, this really was yet another moment where trump was the central attraction. the big difference here, of course, he has largely issued being with where the rest of the republican package. the extra was a rare exception of. of course, where he went, the cameras in the attention followed. he was also clear that he was trolling one of his chief rivals in attendance here. that's florida governor, ron desantis. the trump campaign flying a plane overhead that said be likable, ron. of course, the ron was done with an exclamation point in the style of judd bush's 2016 logo. that's clearly a dig. the fact that trump himself came with the connery of florida lawmakers in tow, underscoring the fact that he does have the majority of support of that congressional delegation despite the fact that both he and desantis shared that home state. him and desantis had a mixed bag reaction here. it's clear he's trying to get

things back on track after stumbles and shakeups and his campaign. of course, firing his campaign manager in recent weeks he had some hecklers but he also had -- here. look, iowa is a place that really does in theory rewarded the retail politics, the shaking of hands, the coming and meeting people, answering questions. that is not trump's typical style. it doesn't necessarily have to be either. you see the polls still have him and it dominant position. i will say, and talking people like former south carolina governor, nikki haley, yesterday, i asked, is she gonna stick with the retail of it all and continue to slog it out? she was literally wearing a shirt that said, underestimate me, basically, at your own peril. continuing to say that she will get on the ground here, answer as many questions as she can and that that's what she thinks is gonna help her when she gets on the debate stage. i think, of course, we cover the stuff from the time it officially starts, all these folks get in the race, yasmin. really, the kickoff likely

comes ten or so days from now with that first gop debate, whether or not trump is on that stage, all of the other candidates are banking on the fact that it's gonna be the largest audience that they have the opportunity to talk to, as they really are still in the introductory phase here, trying to make their pitch to voters, trying to hold their poll numbers move. >> i'm sure ron desantis is saying that moment as a real could be breakup moment to differentiate himself and try to get ahead in the polling. so far though, it doesn't seem to necessarily be working. ali, as always, thank you. want to get now to the latest in trump's election interference case where judge tanya chicken warns trump on friday that making inflammatory statements could move the case to trial faster. so far, the former president seems to have stopped making direct attacks about her or the case, specifically on his truth social platform. here's what he said yesterday in iowa. >> [inaudible]. >> we'll have to take a look at

the order, the whole thing is a fake. >> back with me now is msnbc legal analyst and former u.s. attorney, joyce vance. interesting because he seems to have been, i mean, listen, it's been 48 hours since the protective order was issued. more tightlipped than the former president normally is. is this something we're surprised about or do you think his legal team has gotten the message and they've communicated that to him? >> so, this judge, tanya chutkan, she means business. she was very clear about imposing the sanction, it was not a threat. she said, if trump kept it, up that would speed up the trial process. that, of course, that's his weakness, that's something he does villages not want to see happen. appears to have taken that warning at face value. you, know how long that's gonna last for, yasmin, that's anyone's guest on whether he'll be able to keep himself off of social media. >> i want to read for you from the protective order.

i want some clarification on how they're gonna police all of this. i will allow the defendant to review the sensitive material without being accompanied, without having a member of the legal team sit next to him. i'm gonna retain the provision that requires council members of the legal team to review any notes. it goes on. if the defendant is going to review those materials alone, the defendant can't have access during that review to electronic device, photocopy machine, or anything that can reproduce or copy those materials. my question to you, joyce, considering what we know now at times, the former president's counsel has been willing to do, especially as laid out in evidence and some of these indictments, how do you police something like this? >> so, the judge has very cleverly put the burden of policing her order in the first instance on donald trump's lawyers. they're the ones who will be with him or not. they will have to make sure that this order is complied with, if they do not, it also will tend to lean back on them.

they of course have obligations if they want to maintain their licenses to practice law. something that has been a stumbling block for some of the former presidents or their lawyers. it starts there. if there is a violation, it'll go back to judge chutkan. the take away from this order is that she is quite serious about enforcing the restrictions. most importantly, making sure that trump doesn't do anything that impairs the safety of witnesses or that could taint the jury pool before this case goes to trial. >> let's talk quickly, joyce, what have you still, if we can, about the timing of this whole thing, right? special counsel proposing january six as beginning at this trial date. january 15th is the first iowa caucuses in the 2024 election calendar. i believe monday, they're looking at truck can give trump's team until monday to make its own request. where do you see this thing lending? >> so, this too will be up to

the judge. the important insight here is that no matter when this indictment had been handed down and what the trial date looks like, trump would have complained. if it had been this weekend, he would've complained that interfered with visits in iowa. we are in a political calendar that stretches over a period of years and what donald trump once desperately is to hold on until after the election in hopes that either he or another republican can make all of his problems go away for him. judge cut chickens job on the other hand is to ensure that trump's rights are protected, but also the american people have speedy trial, writes the right to a speedy trial, the benefit of all of us the citizens, just like it does to a defendant. that means, i think we will see her try to keep this trial on track for a pre-election sort of event. >> joyce vance, as always, my friend, thank you. we're continuing, everybody, to follow the tragedy in hawaii, with questions about the states

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that was transporting migrants from the border of chicago. this is the first death since governor greg abbott started busing asylum seekers to democratic led states, cities, i should say. nbc's george is standing by for us in chicago with more on this. george, what we're learning? >> yeah, good afternoon, yasmin. actually, it mr. with new information we just got in from congressman joaquin castro's office, who is briefed on this tragic death. their office saying the family included the mom, the dad, and the child, the plan was for them to go to indiana where they had family. the child has started displaying symptoms of fear and diarrhea, it was unconscious and not mobile. bus drop them off and say, limitless oil. a hospital there. the bus kept going, arrived in chicago. this is what we know in this ongoing investigation. we know this is the first time texas has announced a death since the state began busing migrants from the u.s. mexico border to cities like chicago, philadelphia, and new york, as

part of operation lone star. we know, again, these buses are usually pretty well stocked with water and food. that is according to texas officials. they also tell us that they usually do a pretty thorough screening through u.s. customs border protection there, yasmin. they say they make sure migrants to have a fever or any medical concerns that are addressed are usually addressed at that time. saying that nothing at that time told them that there is anything wrong with this child. mind you, texas officials of the point have not released any information about the child's gender or their nationality. again, this information coming in right now about the family traveling with mom, dad, ole new to us. this, of course, really creating an uproar among lawmakers who are already upset with some of the things we've been seeing as the sanctuary cities have been receiving these busloads of migrants. governor abbott himself saying that 30,000 have been bussed to

cities like chicago. about 5000 here in the chicago area. we know there's already a lawsuit filed by the department of justice regarding those buoys there at the rio grande. no word yet on any action that may be taken on this particular travel, as far as some of the buses go. we do know some lawmakers are standing, including congressman castro, as far as stopping the transport of migrants because of unfortunate circumstances like this, yasmin. it's heartbreaking, of course, we're monitoring the situation and following anymore developments that may come through. it >> yeah, incredibly heartbreaking to say the least. george for us, thank you. coming up in our next, our everybody, we have this remarkable video of a house explosion caught on camera in pennsylvania. i lvania >> the latest on the

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to the situation in hawaii.

at least 93 people have been killed, hundreds more remain unaccounted for after the most destructive wildfire the nation has seen in over 100 years, engulfing large parts of the west coast of maui. as rescue recovery efforts are continuing throughout the coming days and weeks, questions are being raised about the islands emergency management system and how it's sirens not being activated during the blaze may have contributed to the rising death toll. white governor, josh greene, addresses with my colleague, jonathan capehart, earlier on msnbc. >> as the sirens, we'll know soon whether or not they did enough to get those sirens going. there is massive destruction in telecommunications. otherwise, we ourselves are to communicate with each other, like we always do, within seconds on our cell phones. we'll make sure we get to all the answers that people deserve. >> so, we had hopes to speak with maui county council chair, alice lee, about the siren issue. she had to cancel for parents,

we understand, i'm sure they're every fish on the island is incredibly busy. from many on the island of maui, surviving these fires, it's just the beginning. the island is now facing this massive humanitarian crisis, people now homeless, desperate for food, supplies as well. nbc's dana griffin has more. >> by air, by sea, and by, road supplies are being delivered throwaway to those cut off and displaced. >> when we first left, it is literally just the clothes are back. >> janice and alessandro saying they barely escaped the flames and will haina. now, there among the estimated 4500 people on the island in desperate need of housing. >> what's the state of your home? >> the complex has buildings that are burned, buildings that are standing. ours is standing, but we cannot get in. this is because of the downed power lines, no running water, no electricity. >> and she says even though police officer help them get inside briefly to retrieve

clothing, the apartment will never be inhabitable again. they now need a place to sleep, food, water, and a way to survive moving forward. >> this is a very close community in lahaina, so, my job, the building burnt down, so, people are without jobs. >> we have trucks full of supplies, more trucks full of supplies. >> across maui, residents have been doing what they can to help. >> that we prep will be doing food distribution at 11 a.m.. >> with phone service still disrupted, radio stations like 93.5 fm are broadcasting extra hours to get messages out about resources and trying to help families reconnect. >> we have our lahaina people, people on the west side where cut off from communication. it's been really tough for them to communicate to the side and vice versa. >> four days after the devastating fires broke out, so many still wondering. >> do you know if anyone made

it or didn't make a? are still missing? >> so, yes, we have a couple of people that were still looking for from our congregation. >> minister -- historical church and lahaina was destroyed. she shared this image of the church before the wildfire. this is what it looks like now. >> utter destruction everywhere. our hearts going out to everyone dealing with that tragedy right now as they continue the search and recovery efforts. our thanks to dana griffin for that report. we're gonna have much more on the situation on the ground in hawaii coming up. we do have new developments though in some police forces. drones increase in the big east to help fight crime. controversy around privacy and surveillance concerns. here's nbc's -- with an inside look at how one southern california police department is using drones. >> and i in the sky. helping police de-escalate gun confrontations, catch drug dealers, and put away violent

criminals. >> about 88 to 90% of the time, a drone is first on scene before any of our officers on the field arrive. we'll be responding east to the boulevard. >> any side santa monica, police officer peter can survey a city block for reported suspicious person from a command center a mile away. or zoom in to read a license plate. last year, the drone was the only witness to a brutal assault and its footage was used to convict one of the attackers. >> how have these drones change the way your department does its work? >> a fundamental change. allows an experienced police officer to see what's going on in realtime and communicate those facts to the officers responding. >> they say the drones eye view can prevent officers from overreacting. santa monica police got a call last year about a man with a gun. at first, drone footage appeared to confirm it. but then -- >> as i'm watching him, i can clearly see there's a bit of

smoke here, i'm 99% sure that some type of -- >> given that, police didn't need to approach aggressively. drones can also help police on dangerous operations. we got a demonstration of the lemur, which swat teams can use to break windows and fly inside buildings, even talking to a barricaded subject. >> police department, we're here to respond to a situation peacefully. >> the problem with drones being used for particular margin sees, but what we don't want to see our drones used for routine mass surveillance, they're watching everybody all the time. we're afraid that this is gonna lead to that. >> seattle has banned the use of police drones and other communities that demanded strict rules. >> some people are uncomfortable with the idea of the police flying anything that can conduct overhead surveillance. >> we respond to calls for service. we don't utilize it as a random surveillance tool. i think, as it rolls out of the

national level, that will become on those agencies that apply to be responsible. >> important for communities to keep watch on those who protect and serve. >> ken dilanian, nbc news, santa monica. >> thank you to ken for that. so, a major win for abortion rights groups this weekend after ohio voters overwhelmingly rejected a ballot proposal that would've made it easier to restrict abortion and that. stay a house iv state, long with kansas, kentucky, montana as well, to vote in favor of abortion rights since roe was overturned. even more notable, abortion rights have won every time it's been put on a ballot since the supreme court decision. now, activists, they have their sights set on arizona as the next battleground to guarantee abortion rights. joining me now is a senior adviser -- jodi leggett. jody, thanks for joining us on this. how much has the ohio when energized voters and groups like yours? >> well, it has supercharged our movement.

we know that arizona voters are practical folks. they've gone to the ballot before to protect important rights and what we saw in ohio is every time we put stuff like this on the ballot, voters are pretty smart, they know what's going on, we're really confident coming out. >> let's talk about the effort being made in arizona. you have until next july to collect around 400,000 valid signatures, about 5% of the states population. you've been quoted as saying it's a 40 to 50 million dollar project. where things now? >> we're at the very beginning, right? we filed our action committee, we are getting organized and sending fundraisers across the state. it's a heavy lifting or zona. we've done this before and we are, as i said, confident in arizona voters. >> what have you learned from successful efforts in other states? >> i think we've learned and we knew this and our hearts. voters are pretty smart.

you sign ohio organizers trying to make that effort about something else. ohio voters knew what was going on the new abortion would be on the ballot. they didn't trust the messenger. this is a lot about who voters trust. did voters trust politicians and pundits, no, they trust people. >> jodi leggett, thank you so much. we appreciate it. we have a lot more coming up folks, you're watching msnbc our second hour starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ harry want him, i'm yasmin vossoughian, if you're just joining us welcome to you, we're thankful for that, attacking clock in georgia. what is expected to be the fourth criminal indictment for donald trump, comments early as tuesday. we'll have the latest on what's expected leading up to that. possibilities.

breaking news we're following out of pennsylvania, five people dead and a house explosion caught on camera. the death toll in the maui fires rising to 93. as residents grow increasingly angry about the lack of mourning beforehand. and what they see as a slow response in the aftermath. >> we know we not got to go quick, we gotta do away -- when we pick up the remains and they fall apart. when you have 200 people running through the scene yesterday. and some of you, that's what you're stepping on. i don't know how much more you want me to describe it. that's what you're stepping on. >> wow, unbelievable to think about that. and republicans are demanding a special counsel for hunter biden. and now