out of pennsylvania, five people dead and a house explosion caught on camera. the death toll in the maui fires rising to 93. as residents grow increasingly angry about the lack of mourning beforehand. and what they see as a slow response in the aftermath. >> we know we not got to go quick, we gotta do away -- when we pick up the remains and they fall apart. when you have 200 people running through the scene yesterday. and some of you, that's what you're stepping on. i don't know how much more you want me to describe it. that's what you're stepping on. >> wow, unbelievable to think about that. and republicans are demanding a special counsel for hunter biden. and now saying that it's not

enough. i'll talk to congressman, russia krishnamoorthi, all that plus back on the field. >> it's a rollercoaster of motion. i'm rooted in my faith, i'm rooted in the love that i received from my family, my cremate's and the love all around the world it keeps me going. >> moment for him badly bill safeties, give our hamlin's first game back since nearly dying on the field, the imaging welcome back later on this hour. we want to begin this hour with the breaking news. things get very busy, very fast this week at the fulton county courthouse in georgia. donald trump could face a fourth indictment as the grand jury there moves closer to a vote in the election interference from led by d a fani willis. it can happen as early as tuesday. with me to talk about this is tame our hammerlock, and -- tame are, thank you for joining us we appreciate it. i remember back in january, we heard from fulton county d.a., fani willis, same charges were

imminent. here we are in august, looking at two days of testimony in front of the fulton county grand jury. monday and tuesday, could we see charges of the indictment coming on tuesday? >> yes, that's very much looking like it will be the case. we're saying tuesday because that's when two witnesses confirmed to us that they've been subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury. and declare testimony about what occurred from their point of view in the aftermath of the 2020 elections. the office is presenting to a grand jury that's meeting on monday and tuesday. it typically takes about two days to present a racketeering case as we've seen in the past with this office. we don't expect it to go beyond that brandeberry, it needs -- don't expect the day's office to want to wait another week to wrap it up. >> if the grand jury meets two days a week. tell me the calculations that are going through the newsroom

at the aj sea and talking about a potential indictment, what names could they be in the indictment along with the charges? >> that's a big question. racketeering indictments can ensnare many different people. we've seen reporting from cnn another is that it could be upwards of a dozen. a lot of these names were expecting to see surface will not be names we've heard of before. this is something we all live between november 2020 and january of 2021. we're expecting to see folks in donald trump's inner circle including rudy giuliani, perhaps someone like johnny smith, candace chance bro, people who wear the unindicted co conspirators in jack smith's january 6th case. we're expecting other names especially folks based in georgia. another campaign hands that maybe didn't end up in jack smith's indictment. it's a case of how broad d.a. willis wants to go with this

one. >> are we expecting to hear, fani willis has been pretty vocal the past couple of weeks, more so than jack smith was ahead of the two indictments coming out of florida and washington, veasey. are we expected, are you getting any reporting on whether we'll hear from her as well if in fact and when this indictment is filed? >> yeah, we're expecting there will be something, not that different than what we saw from jack smith after he was able to secure the indictments in the january 6th and mar-a-lago documents case. i assume she'll be saying mostly that the indictment speaks for itself. but we're expecting her to make some sort of public remarks. she's been pretty quiet about this in general. pretty much since january when she said that indictments were amna. i'm dying to see what would be in a likely indictment. >> sealed an unsealed, and how quickly, what are you hearing? >> unsealed in georgia. once indictments are handed out it's presented to a presiding judge. i'm pretty much immediately it

becomes unsealed and open court. it may take a little bit for the office to get it online. we're expecting very quickly afterwards to see. >> do we know who the presiding judge's, who's on the docket for that day, for tuesday? >> it's a familiar face to all of us who've been covering the case. judge robert ernie, he's been overseeing the special -- in all of this. though i might say that we do not necessarily expect him to be the judge moving forward if and when indictments are handed out as we had into a case that's to be determined by the entire fulton county branch. it may not be ham going forward. >> tame are hallerman, thank you so much, appreciate it. i'm sure we'll be talking to you in the coming weeks. i want to turn now once again to what's happening in hawaii. the fire crews there are continuing to battle flare-ups into locations along the west coast of maui. as emergency personnel work to -- whatever they can from the

remains of the historic town of lahaina. at this hour, 93 people have been killed, the numbers expected to rise and hundreds more remain missing are unaccounted for. i will bring in nbc's steve patterson who's been on the ground in mali. the overarching question, stephen, you and i talked about this in the last hour as well. did folks get the proper indication to evacuate what they should have? and if not, is that the reason why we have also so many? >> i think it's hard to assess what led to what. and what the proper notification was. according to this state those sirens didn't go off. i want to make this clear this is in some backwater siren system. it's supposed to be one of the most sophisticated integrated outdoor systems in the entire world, 400 siren spread across this island. residents i spoke to and the state now admit that those sirens did not go off. the state says -- [inaudible] tv alerts went out, radio

messages went out, i spoke to several residents a lot of folks say that they never got any of those. some of that's because the power was cut according to residents i spoke to long before those messages went out. how could they get messages that would help them? that's all part of the investigation started by the state attorney general. we'll hear more about that as this goes on. meanwhile, there's more frustration imagine that situation, you're running at your house, jumping in the ocean, you're throwing everything you can into your car with just assured on your back. they're finding frustrations when you get to the situation. outside of the zone, a lot of people have slept in their car, slept in shelters. and yesterday i'm on this road and residents are waiting in lines that are 2 to 3 miles long, some 15 hours. only to be turned around a checkpoints like this, this checkpoint open to just supply trucks. they're sending residents around the side of the island to what residents have described to me as a very dangerous road. i spoke to some of them about

their frustrations yesterday. here is what they told me, listen to this. >> i have a people staying with me. as soon as i open traffic, i want to kaiser to get diabetes medication, insulin, everything i can get to take back to them. a lot of them don't drive, they don't have gas, i'm hoping and praying they let me through the line. >> i slept in my car last night. i don't want to do that again. i'm running out of medication. -- so, i'm hoping that i can get to the other side. >> no radio, no updates. >> if they give you, did you hear any sirens? >> nothing. >> and he text messages? >> nothing. >> it's the smoke. >> you heard that, nothing. in a lot of cases the number one thing i heard that people need is to get their medication. it's crucial people can get back there. however, crews are still really

dealing with scenes that are smoldering, scenes that they're worried about the sanctity about because of how much rain is in that town. there's a lot of heavy work on identifying the dead at this point. >> where are folks staying, how are they getting food, obviously the medical needs in place there are, what about a long term plan that for people who have lost everything? >> a long term is something that will be a process for sometime. the governor has said that he wants to build back, and create affordable housing. where they lost housing, the shelters are doing great, i'll make that clear they're six spread out across the island. the ones i visited, especially at miley high school everyone's fed, everyone has clothes, and blankets. for the most part they're happy to be alive there. i think they're doing the best that they can. really the situation comes down

-- for key medications for people who need them. i think, i've spoken to people that continue to sleep in their cars. and sleep in neighbors houses, friends houses, or strangers houses. it's all hands on deck when you have 4500 people on this island that are now displaced. >> steve patterson, thank you, we appreciate. it coming up later this hour, i'll speak to one man we resident who lost their family home and coconut farm in the fire, sky mcphee joins me on why they believe more federal assistance is needed to pick up the pieces. let's get to pennsylvania now. or surveillance video captured a deadly house explosion near pittsburgh. a deadly house explosion nea pittsburgh [sound of artillery] >> a fifth person now confirmed dead just outside of pittsburgh, they were for adults and a child. one survivor is hospitalized in critical condition. you can see the force of the blast. it was felt several homes away. the explosion destroying three

buildings and damaging at least a dozen more. and people are saying that it was so powerful, look at that. he and his wife were knocked to the ground. authorities are trying to figure out what caused the blast. coming up, the same republicans who have been demanding a special counselor in the hunter biden case say the one appointed is no good. just 60 seconds of the joined by congressman, raja krishnamoorthi, to talk about that. as well as news about a prominent democrat who may be ready to run against president biden. we'll be right back. rbeight back.

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benefited, or he himself benefited when he was serving in the job that i had as vice president of the united states. >> we can document that donald trump pocketed the hotels, the golf courses through business deals when he was president. and his family got they haven't laid a glove on joe biden, as president. >> i want to note there while mike pence is supporting the appointment of a special counsel there are a number of gop colleagues that are not despite the calls to appoint one months ago. i want to bring a democratic congressman representative, rajah christa morty, to ask about this much -- congressman, thank you for joining us, we appreciate. it let's start right there. your republican colleagues are coming out against the appointment of the special counsel. announced by merrick garland late last week. what do you make of it? >> i think they're gonna criticize the justice department and merrick garland regardless of what they do. perhaps they want jim jordan to be appointed in the independent special counsel.

-- you need somebody you can actually who could do the job properly. and let justice do its course here. >> i wonder if you think this whole thing can stick when it comes to the biden family. potentially, it seems as a republicans, hold on a six, -- they're comparing what's happening with the president and his family to what's happening with the former president of the united states as well. putting them on the same level playing field? what do you make of that? >> i think that it's a desperate attempt that i have not seen one shred of evidence, not one iota of evidence, and indeed there is none linking any room wrongdoing committed by hunter biden to anything that president joe biden has done. i think there's attempts to continue to do so.

it's the reason why a lot of people have tuna. when i talk to my constituents, they echo what richard hudson the chair of the national republican campaign committee said which is that, they're not talking about this at home. this is not one of their top priorities. i think this is gonna continue to be the dog that doesn't hunt. >> here's what the axelrod told us the -- all read for you. i'm sure that this did not land well at the white house. there are elements of it that complicate things that republicans as well. it's verda say that nobody on team biden is eager for hunter's case to be extending into the election. what do you make of that? >> for one thing, hunter biden's president son, this is going to be obviously of concern on a very personal level for the president. anytime somebody has this type of concern at the same time they're running for office.

it's going to be an issue. but with regard to an issue that the voters are going to care about. again, unless there's any evidence linking hunter biden to anything that joe biden has done as president. it's not an issue that voters are going to be concerned about what joe biden. i have not seen any, whether it's in the public setting or a classified one. >> congressman, i want to ask you about joe manchin. nbc's exclusive reporting on that. we're hearing that he's skipping this event for the one year anniversary of the inflation reduction act. you couple that with also word that he's possibly considering this third party run for president of the united states. what's your reaction? >> i don't think that fact that he's gonna be at that event is significant. again, this is an august recess. with regards to tampa running for president as a third party candidate, i think that any credible third-party or independent bed.

if it would take away votes from joe biden and make it more likely for donald trump to become president. it's problematic to say the least. i think joe manchin is a patriotic person. i think that's why he voted to convict donald trump at the last impeachment trial. saying he needed to be held accountable for seditious acts and words that threaten democracy. in light of that i think that even he would be concerned that donald trump came knocked office so you think he will do? it >> i don't know. i hope he does not. i think that again, we can't allow donald trump to come back to office. >> congressman -- thank you sir, appreciate it. >> still ahead everybody, from flipping burgers to getting heckled, how gop presidential candidates fared at the iowa state fair, and what it says about their power with voters, still stuck on the former president. plus, the personal stories of many residents. i'll talk to one business owner,

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republicans are soon at the iowa state fair at the rearview mirror, as the 2024 race continues to move right along. but in terms of how the ngo p candidates fared at this traditionally important political event, we turn to and -- joining us live from des moines, at the state fairgrounds. we also have matthew dowd, a political analyst and -- party founder as.

we'll >> start things off for us, right. were there any break out moments? >> no. i mean, there were no moments of corporations are people my friends, which mitt romney famously said when he got on the soapbox here, when he was in cycle. instead, it was really people just being able to retreat to their -- . you watch former president donald trump mole through the fare with a cautery of lawmakers in tow, meant to underscore the fact that he has got the support of the majority of the florida delegation, despite the fact that they are current and sitting governor, ron, desantis is also running for president. for desantis's part, we watched him be able to draw big crowds, but also some hecklers were part of that crowd. for desantis, and frankly everyone else not named trump in this field though, the task remains the same, regardless of where they are, yasmin. which is, how do they break 3 of these polling freeze that we are seeing, that has trump still so dominant at the top of the pack? and everybody else, trailing

behind. one of the things, that i think most of the candidates are hoping could break some of that loose, is the upcoming first presidential debate, that is coming just about 10 days from now. it's unclear whether or not trump is going to be on that stage. one of the things you would have to do is actually sign the republican national committee press pledge, that says he would support the nominee, whoever that person is. that's one of the prerequisites to get on the debate stage. we've watched people like nikki haley and tim scott and desantis all signed that pledge. but, they are not trump, and trump right now is the person who is at the front of the pack, who says that he doesn't necessarily see any upside to getting on that stage. but what it does for everyone else is allow them the biggest -- of republican voters that they've had the chance to get so far. for many of them, they are prepping for a world where trump is on the stage, and where he isn't. but certainly, whether he is physically there or not, he is the guy that is looming over all of this. that was true here at the state fair, it could be true at the first debate. and frankly, it's going to be true until the end of this republican nominating contests.

>> so if you are at a trump rally -- and i asked you this question, i think the answer would likely be that they don't really believe in the indictments, they don't read the indictments, they don't leave anything that's in the indictments, and it's not gonna affect how they vote. they are going to be voting for the former president of the united states in the 2024 election. but asking that question now, at the iowa state fair, how are folks viewing these 3 indictments, possibly before -- ? >> well look, there have been a range of opinions, that i have heard from people. of course, i have democrats who i've spoken to, who are sort of looking at this republican nominating contest in horror, because of the fact that trump is being indicted on so many different accounts, whether it's the classified documents, whether it's january 6th. certainly, they are looking ahead to fulton county. but, among republicans, there is some split opinion that i have heard. there are some that i've spoken to today, who say that these things are made-up, that they are, for lack of a better term, trumped up charges by the political opposition of the former president. they still plan to vote for him, no matter what. but then, i also have spoken to

some republican voters, who say that whether it's because of the indictments, whether it's because of the role he played in january 6, attempted to overturn the 2020 election. they think their party needs to move on. still though, talking to those voters anecdotally, doesn't necessarily explain the polling that we've seen. it is why again, this race seems sort of frozen in time. because even though there are more indictments, you've got one, you got to, you that 3, that forthcoming, it doesn't change the fact that he remains so dominant. and i think all of that goes back to the idea, that this is a party that has really largely been remade in trump's image, since 2015 and 2016. >> ali batali, as always, thank you. matthew dowd, drawing on what ali was just talking about, right. what a kind of, helpless help us understand what we are seeing in this holding, with 3 indictments already kind of out, and we're looking at one and out of fulton county as well. and yet, the former president continuing to dominate. >> well you know, there was a

time period where there is a window for his vulnerability, after the november election, when it was shown that a bunch of his candidates that he endorsed lost. until about the end of february, when there was this opportunity, i think, for another republican to take advantage of this. but what happened is, nobody in that moment took advantage of it, one. and then 2, he started getting indicted, and at the point of time he started getting indicted, his number started rising among republican primary voters, including in iowa. and the other factor that goes into this, and that ability to beat donald trump, is that the sealed is not whatever his 12 or 13 -- as you showed from that polling. even though donald trump, quote unquote, is only at 44%, the problem is that the rest of the field divides it up. and that means that he wins the iowa caucus, if the field isn't limited. the opportunity for the republicans, and this would take putting your ego to the side, would be one or 2 candidates take him on in iowa, the other ones step back, and then one or 2 others take him

on in new hampshire, and then one or 2 others take him on in south carolina. and then, show that he is vulnerable along the way. and then, open the field up. but as i said, that takes putting your ego to the side, and it doesn't look like any of the other republicans want to put their ego to the side. >> well, it also seems as if that would take, kind of, following the more chris christie model of things, in the way they approach campaigning, right. he is really the only one that has kind of come out against the former presidents. compared to, for instance, ron desantis, who has tiptoed around it, right. he is the only other guy, i believe, in the double digits. >> yeah, and he is the only, chris christie is the only other one that has actually risen in a substantial way, in a state, and he has risen in new hampshire, primarily driven by independents who vote in the, who will vote in the new hampshire primary. it's always been seemed to me, as an extra lease flawed strategy, to run against somebody, but not to criticize

the person you're running against. i don't, the strategy should be, i think i should be president of the united states, and that person shouldn't. and let me tell you why that person shouldn't be president of the united states. the only one making that argument, which seems to be the argument you make when you're running against somebody, if somebody like chris christie. or, somebody like age hudson. >> and donald trump is making that argument, as well. especially when it comes to his chief rival, ron desantis. and i'm wondering what you make of how we could see a potential break out, and what we can compare it to on the debate stage, in just 10 days now. we don't even know if donald trump is going to be on that debate stage, but a lot of folks looking at ron desantis, right. we you and i've talked about this before. this is a real moment for him to have a breakout, can he actually do, it is the question? >> well interesting thing to me, if i were donald trump, just thinking through how his mind works, but if you can. is, i would actually at this point say, okay, i will go to

the debate, and make the rnc in force there, rules and not have him come. that would be an interesting dynamic for him to go. because they it if they enforce the rules, they said -- and now they're not letting me come, which i think would benefit him. but, i wouldn't be surprised if he does something like that. the problem for ron desantis is twofold. if donald trump isn't on the stage. one is that he hasn't shown any great ability to break out of this race. his numbers have actually fallen in the last 16, 6 months, as he has run in this race. that's one of the problems in this. the 2nd thing is, who is he going to, what is he going to do in that primary debate, who is he going to criticize, or what is he going to do in the course of that debate, without donald trump there? so, it's left him, he is a flawed candidacy. and then the problem is, the stage is flawed, because the dominant person in the race isn't there. >> so then, how do you work around that, right? what is your advice to someone like ron desantis. because it's interesting right, you have to tiptoe around the trump voter, you have to tiptoe around the guy that's not on

the stage with you. you are not willing to go to the mattresses, let's use that, that phrase there, as chris christie is, and criticize the former president of the united states. so, what do you do? >> well i mean, first you have to recognize that the strategy that you put in place for the last 4 months has been completely flawed, and your candidacy so far has not operated right. you have to admit that to yourself, in order to make adjustments. that's the first thing you have to do. the next thing you have to do is, you have to come up with an argument, that roy why isn't donald trump, and why he shouldn't be the nominee, in a much more forceful way in this. my guess is, their strategy right now, it seems to me, is hope some external event removes donald trump from the equation. and that's always, as you, know that's always a bad idea to base your campaign, based on some hope of something else happening, in order for you to have a window. he didn't do what he needed to do to begin with, and he's not doing what he needs to do today.

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we are continuing to keep our eyes on georgia, as former president trump could face a 4th indictment there this weekend. -- it's at the fulton county courthouse. gary, we actually see those orange barriers, that metal fencing behind you. it seems like preparations in place. what could the next few days look like? >> yeah, security precautions here in fulton county are actually very different than some previous indictments that we've seen. weeks ago, fulton county officials said that folks who work in the d.a.'s office, which is just right across the street here from the courthouse, could work from home the entire month of august. we were also given a sense that there were 3 weeks in august, where this could pinch potentially happen. so, these barricades have been up for about a week now, they are wrapped around the entire building here. and this street behind me is currently open to traffic, it was close for the entire week, while folks were coming in, and out of the courthouse. so that's what security looks like outside. inside, it's your average

courthouse, with tsa level security, as you go inside, into the building itself. because, what we may find, out or at least get a better answer to, is whether or not donald trump and his associates, the actions that they took, the pressure that they put on officials, whether not they actually broke any laws during that time period. here is what gabe sterling, ceo, and secretary of the states office here in georgia, had to say. >> obviously at this point, you never know what's going to happen. one of my biggest concerns, for years now, and i've said this in election conferences, with professionals who won run elections. is, somebody will be motivated by some of this kind of language at some point, and you do something stupid. it's not to be an organized thing, it's not going to be a bunch of conspirators together. it's gonna be one, probably mentally unstable individual, who's going to be radicalized in this process. and that's my biggest concern through this. >> now, we don't know exactly when or what exactly is going to happen this upcoming week, as it relates to a possible indictment. but we do know how grand juries work, because we've seen them

in the past few previous indictments here. what's going to happen is, there's going to be a presentation from the d.a.'s office to the grand jury over the next couple of days. and, there may be interviews associate with that. we know on tuesday, there's going to be interviews before the grand jury. after that, there may be a vote, of the 23 members of the grand jury. it's a simple majority here, it's not something -- as the jury in a criminal trial would have to be. and after that, it's the indictment were to be handed up, it will be unsealed by a judge in the building, just behind me. >> all right gary -- thank you for, appreciate it. we want to bring in now former u.s. attorney brandon fox, to talk more about this. brandon, thanks for joining us on this. you actually ran with the largest divisions in the d oj, so i want to start with asking you, kind of your feeling, your sense, as we are watching this reporting coming out of fulton county, and the expectations of this week, and they're gonna be hearing testimony from, if they're gonna be seeing an indictment, likely tuesday. >> yeah i mean, that's, all indications are that's going to be the case.

and, i just question why this is necessary. because, it's going to complicate deebo jays efforts greatly. because, it's going to look like it's a political prosecution, the d.o.t. is trying to stay above the fray, above politics. but, it's based on substantially similar conduct, as is being prosecute by jack smith's office. and, the d.o.t. actually has a policy about this, it's called the -- pti t, if people want to look it up. and, it addresses whether charges should be brought by a different jurisdictions for substantially the same conduct. so again, i question whether this is something that is good for the prosecutors in this case. >> so, this is the first time here in, it's and i think it's interesting. so, do you think that, fani willis, if in fact this indictment comes to fruition on tuesday, should drop this case, should not be pursuing it? >> well, i don't think that she should be pursuing it against donald trump, for the reasons i just described. if she believes, and i assume she does, as many people knew that he committed a crime, what she should be doing is providing that evidence to jack smith's office, and letting him

go with this. but by doing what she's doing, she is going to be prosecuting donald trump. and, go ahead with others, as long who's knocking to complicate the federal case. she is creating potential new witness statements, that donald trump's attorneys can use in cross examining those witnesses, multiple statements are never good for witnesses and good for prosecutors. and, potential discovery issues that could be happening. and again, allegations that, it's going to look like these are all political prosecutions, and they're just piling on. that's why the dj policies in, place to make it not let your piling on, to make it look like you're doing justice instead. >> is it not reason enough that the former president can't be pardoned for state prosecutions, as he can for federal? >> well i mean, who can be pardoned by? so the president can't pardon donald trump for a state prosecution. i'm not a georgia lawyer, but i assume the governor can. and, that's the way it is in most states. so the governor can partner, and you got a republican governor in place in georgia, then again, what's the purpose here, because you would imagine that the same result what happened. >> i mean, i'm pretty certain

that the governor can't pardon him either, in the state of georgia? >> okay well, so i may have that wrong, again i'm, not a georgia prosecutor. but, i go back to the same principles of prosecution, and what's happening here. let's say that he is acquitted in the d.c. prosecution. do you really want to see that another prosecution for the same content that's occurring. what if he is convicted, in the d.c. case? should there really be another prosecution. and, that's what i'm coming at that is, it's complicating what is the more serious charges. >> do you think there's been any communication with the special counsel on the fulton county at, all in the lead up to a possible indictment coming on tuesday? >> it is such a great question. and, again it is super complicated for jack smith's office. he doesn't want to make this look political. so, any outrage to the fulton county d.a.'s office has a tendency to potentially make his prosecution look political. but with the fulton county d.a. should be doing, it's contacting jack smith's office to coordinate and say, if we're going to bring these charges, is that going to affect your

case. and if that's the case, then stay away from it. and, if it's not, then maybe we will bring it. and that's why, against other individuals, against different conduct, that might be fine. but, i am just worried about what might be happening with the federal case against donald trump, given this prosecution. >> brandon fox, thank you sir, appreciate it. >> thank. you >> still ahead everybody, frustration mounting in maui for residents, just trying to get home to help their families, survey the damage. >> i know they're busy, and they have things to do. but, somebody got to come on and talk to us too. i don't know what to do, i lost everything. and i can't even get back home, to help my family out. >> i'm going to speak to one business owner who lost their home, and their coconut farm in the fire, it's about the desperate calls for more assistance, coming up next. , coming up next

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people who call the island of maui home, life will never be the same. up until last, week it was like any other summer, as local visitors alike enjoy the islands world-class scenery current culture is. well and just in just a span of a couple of hours, the most destructive and deadly wildfire that the entire country country has seen over 100 years, reduce their beloved community to rubble and ash. thousands are now living in shelters, unable to return to their homes. joining us now to talk more about this -- in lifelong maui resident, who lost his home, and his coconut

farm, when this devastation. -- thanks for joining us by phone we, appreciate it, i know you got a lot going on so thank you for taking the time. can you tell us a little bit about what happened? >> good morning. the first thing i would like to say is, good morning to all of my maui people. i love you so much i [crying]. why do you want to clarify that yes, i did lose my home, but our farm was not in the fire, it did get severely damaged in the wind. so, we are safe on our farm, and we have 6 other families with us here. and, we are just trying to heal now. >> i'm taking a look at a picture of your family chi, and you have a beautiful family. your kiddo on the same pacifier that my kiddos loved forever. i am sure it's so hard to lose your home, amidst all of this,

and wondering where other friends are, and how they are doing. what happened on that day? >> i so the day after the fire,, we were able, we had a lot of time, we've been a very south end of the, heinen so we had a lot of time to get out of our home. thankfully, all of my family is safe. we have really had very good communication without -- we haven't really been able to connect with a lot of our friends yet, which is worrying. and, some of the stories we are starting to hear coming out of the other experiences of this thing are really hard to hear. and, we are just really dreading -- i coming. >> you say you had a lot of time, where you properly notified? were you told to evacuate, how

were you told to leave? >> it was, we could watch the fire from where we were situated in the hyena, we can watch the fire burn all the way down to the ocean. and, we left maybe an hour or 2 before we would've really needed to. so, we were lucky in that regard. >> tell me about what it's like to see what has happened to your community, with all of this? >> i we are in deep agony, and shock, and so confused. it's hard to even comprehend what's happened, even though i've seen it with -- i've been in the heineman whole life, every memory i've ever had i. [crying] >> are you getting enough help, kai, do you have enough supplies, are you guys

getting what you need? >> yes, we are well taken care of. the department has been doing an imaging job, the fire department has to doing an amazing job. we have all the supplies we need, what we need is peace, we need some closure. we need to get together as a community, and see each other and hug each other. we need peace. i [crying] >> tie, i'm so sorry for what you're going through, watching these images, seeing what you all have lost, it's devastating, and i'm so sorry that you've all had to go through this. just know that we are all thinking about you, as we watch this, and hope you get all of the help that you need. i can only imagine what is happening, for you and your family. >> i'm sorry. >> that have lost so much. >> no no need to apologize. this is a very hard time for, you and we certainly wish you the best. is there anything you want

folks to know? >> we love you all so much, we just can't wait to get back to gather with our friends. and rebuild our community. i can't wait to get to you this hour farm here as a gathering place for our community. we are going to need, we're going to need educators, and our children really are going to need a lot of attention right now. there is no schools, and they're going to need, they're going to need some help with the socializing and the mental part of all of this. >> yeah a lot of. >> so, the best that i can -- >> i kai mcphee, we wish you the best, and thank you so much. that wraps it up for me i'm -- i'm back in the chair next saturday and sunday 2 pm eastern. simone starts right now. starts right now.