so to process this, it's not going to be a little while and it's going to be tough and we're going to need some help. >> there are ways we can all help and i hope we all do what we can as much we can. nicholas winfrey, i thank you for being with us this morning. that wraps up the hour for me. thank you for the privilege of your time. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right now. >> and right now, a critical week for donald trump and his legal team as a grand jury meeting right now in fulton county, georgia, and could hand up an indictment as early as tomorrow against the former president on what is expected to be a wide ranging election conspiracy involving multiple defendants. it would be the fourth indictment against mr. trump. the overwhelming favorite for the republican nomination. this as the former president

heads for boundaries of a protective order issued friday by the federal judge presiding over the julk by attacking the special counsel and judge over the weekend. but it was star treatment for the former president at the iowa state fair this weekend. upstaging ron desantis and the rest of the field. plus, hunter biden's attorney's main prosecutor and the plea deal. they say a trial for him could still be avoided as controversy grows over why the attorney general grows. and the overwhelming tragedy in maui has victims furious with the rescue and recovery as the death toll nears 100 in the deadliest wildfire in a century. >> where were you guys? no. where were you guys to try and get us out, evacuate us?

no. we're mad. we're mad. we lost homes, towns. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington where former president trump is already testing u.s. district judge protective order against him, lashing out on sunday in a string of social media post, slamming jack smith as a quote low life and deranged. then going after judge chutkin, reposting an image of the judge along with a false claim that she has admitted to running election interference into trump's 2024 campaign. and in the middle of the night, posting the judge is biased and wants him behind bars. this all comes as donald trump and his lawyers are bracing for more possible criminal charges in georgia with fulton county d.a. fani willis presenting her

case to a grand jury today with an indictment possible as early as tomorrow. joining me now, blaine alexander and vaughn hillyard. blaine, you've been covering this from the very beginning. donald trump has already attacked fani willis on social media this morning. what's the latest and how is she dealing with that? >> well, she's dealing with it the way she has all along, andrea, which is to tell her teammates to tell county officials here not to be bothered by it and basically put out a message that we have a job to do. you know, the fact that trump is attacking willis is nothing new. it's something we've seen come from campaign rallies. from his truth social. his social media posts, but what has changed in recent days as we get closer to a potential indictment is that we've seen those attacks pick up. interestingly, there's an ad that was airing on atlanta television stations attacking fani willis from the trump

campaign. so we've seen an uptick. you see some on your screen in his latest post calling her phoney fani willis. she's staying focused on this, but what's interesting, we spent the better part of today, all morning long, looking both inside and outside the courthouse. we know there's movement here. we know that she is going to be presenting her case to a grand jury this week. we have seen two of the people that we know received summons to testify before the grand jury. we've actually seen them in the courthouse headed to the d.a.'s area. we know another two people are set to come tomorrow and our colleagues at the ajc saw gabriel sterling, who was a key witness in the secretary of state's office. has strong knowledge of trump's phone call to secretary raffensperger in 2021. so all of these things kind of paint a picture of how fani willis is going to be presenting her case before a grand jury over the coming days. we know she's going to focus on

rudy giuliani's presentation before georgia lawmakers. of course, that infamous phone call trump made to raffensperger. but even beyond that, looking at the slate of fake electors and a number of other things that will likely go into account. >> thanks so much. now paul. let's talk about the legal aspects of this. do you think we would see another indictment this week? she's presenting the case today. there are two more witnesses tomorrow. and it's unusual to a lot of us who have followed the federal cases more than the state case to have witnesses appearing before the grand jury as an indictment is you know, being presented to them. when presumably it's already written. so where do you see the timeline here first? >> it could be she's getting ready to present the indictment and ask for charges. remember, too, though that she had and put to good use an investigative grand jury in which she called scores of

witnesses to come before that grand jury and present evidence. there were a number of court fights from individuals who declined initially to appear before that grand jury so now she has in her hands that grand jury testimony. she can use that here. she can use witnesses to come back in again. so it wouldn't be out of the ordinary that an indictment comes very soon. what the big question is is against whom might these charges be brought and exactly what charges will she be bringing. >> and paul, we did here from the foreperson of that special grand jury and probably hinting at not only multiple indictments, but the you know, it was going to be the former president. do you have much doubt and if so, have he or his lawyers been warned? >> it wasn't surprise me if it did include the president. in fact, it would be a surprise if the president wasn't included and we know the president's

lawyers have been included because they have attempted multiple times to go before the judge that has overseen this grand jury investigation to stop or slow this grand jury investigation. and the tool that fani willis has in her hands that i think lends credibility towards the idea that the president is going to be charged is that she herself is experienced in using the rico laws. modelled after the federal statutes that federal prosecutors use to take down the mafia. the state in georgia has a more liberal if you will, a broader, expansive and more broad view of what rico laws are and we can expect that among the charges, we may very well see rico charges that have at the center former president trump as the individual organizing attempt to overthrow or to throw out the legitimate election that put president biden in the white house. >> that is a very powerful

prosecutorial tool. almost unique to georgia in the way it's applied. vaughn, you've had a busy week. you've been in iowa. now you're at the center of the action in georgia. so talk to me about the former president's mood. you've talked to him over the weekend. and then he was on social media. going after the federal judge in washington even after that protective order had been issued on friday warning him not to. >> right. andrea, you just said it. so often, criminal defendants or potential defendants go quiet at the advice of their lawyers. in this case, donald trump is not only going to the iowa state fair as he did on saturday and publicly speaking, but also actively over the last couple of hours here on this monday posting to his social media account related to both of these cases here. and we have to go first back to friday and it was that hearing over the protective order when the judge who was overseeing the federal charges related to the

efforts to overturn the election in 2020 told trump's lawyers specifically at the hearing, quote, i caution you and your client to take special care in your public statements about this case. i will take whatever measures are necessary to safeguard the integrity of these proceedings. by this weekend, donald trump was posting not only a picture of judge chutkin on his social media account, but also calling her a left wingo bam activist and also claimed it was running an election interference campaign against him, directing taking on the judge despite that protective order and despite her own warnings in that hearing. as it relates to this fulton county investigation and a potential grand jury's vote to charge trump tomorrow, just in the last two hours, donald trump, on his social media account, went on the attack against former lieutenant governor jeff duncan, who under subpoena this weekend, is set to testify before that grand jury

tomorrow. donald trump in his social media post explicitly said quote, he shouldn't testify. of course, in georgia criminal statute, there's a law in which witness influencing could be found to be a criminal act on the part of trump. this is active and ongoing here. >> to that point, paul, he's a candidate for president. he's making free speech arguments in the federal case in d.c. his lawyers are. as a defense. so you know, how difficult would it be for this judge, the federal judge who isn't a no nonsense judge by all reports, to crack down? i assume to call the lawyers in. would there be a warning? how will she be able to control his behavior online? >> andrea, she's already issued an order that says, i think it's smart. if we continue to hear what she considers to be conversations, dialogue from the president or

threats or opinions given by the president, that hinder in some way his prosecution, she's going to accelerate the trial date. that's a very good and powerful tool. but turning back to georgia for a moment, andrea, it is extraordinary. it's amazing to me that if you are under investigation for an attempt to interfere with a lawful election that you then attempt to interfere with the appearance of a grand jury witness. that's a bad look and that evidence goes right into the hands of the prosecutor. he is making fani willis' day. he is building her case. he is helping her. that is one of the many factors that must make former president trump one of the most difficult witnesses in the country. >> could she add a charge of potential witness tampering? >> she could and she could use it as evidence to show this is part of the former president's pattern and practice in a rico prosecution. when he attempted to interfere with the election, if those are

the charges she brings, she can also talk about how it is he attempted to interfere with the appearance of a witness who received a lawful subpoena. >> thanks to all of you. and the tragedy in paradise. the death toll in hawaii nearing 100 people as questions remain whether anything could have been done to limit the devastation, to warn the people. to hasten the rescue and recovery. the latest live from maui when "andrea mitchell reports" will be back in just 60 seconds right here on msnbc. ts" will be back in just 60 seconds right here on msnbc. astepro allergy, steroid free allergy relief that starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. with astepro's unbeatably fast allergy relief you can astepro and go! age is just a number, and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv

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a 73-year-old woman says she was so scared when she escaped she didn't even realize her face and arm had been burned and her brother is still missing. >> i'm so worried about everybody. hopefully, you're still alive. >> more than 2700 homes and buildings have been destroyed. canine cadaver dogs arriving over the weekend to help with the search. tom yamas spoke with maui's police chief. >> are you saying we're just at the beginning of this disaster? >> so for the first few days, we had done searches in the streets and the cars. but we couldn't enter any structures. like police officers are trained to go chase bad guys, respond to robberies, take reports but they're not trained to go enter small structures to go look for human remains. >> dana griffin is among our team is at a shelter in king's cathedral. you've been there since the beginning.

tell us about how the humanitarian needs are becoming even more profound as you've talked to victims there. >> reporter: yeah. good morning, andrea. right now, we're outside one of the shelters that is housing some 1100 people across the island. the need is so great here, think about this. 9,000 meals a day and hundreds of gallons of water. that's why so many people are stepping up to really help one another during this very difficult time. as the police chief mentioned, they're still combing through the area. only 3% has been checked so this is going to be a very long, very arduous process and it's frustrating for family members who have not heard from their loved ones. they are being asked to give their dna samples so that they can help identify those bodies that they are recovering in lahaina town. we've talked to so many people throughout this weekend who have expressed you know, their gratitude for the help they've been receiving and a lot of them

have done, have had to flee for their lives and went through some really challenging times. we spoke with one person about their ordeal and experience. >> we lost everything. thank god that like we still have each other. we're all alive and safe and accounted for. it's like, we're the only things we have now because everything that we had in the past is gone. >> reporter: these are thousands of people who have nothing left. so the need here for clothes, toiletries, food and water is very dire. andrea? >> and the frustration is mounting as well. people have not been able to get back in. they were long, incredibly long lines just to get in for a couple of hours. what about that anger over the fact there were no warnings? the signals didn't go off. the power wasn't turned off. the officials have answers to all of this, but --

>> reporter: this was kind of like the worst situation possible. we've heard from officials that those sirens are equipped to go off. they did not. they did have some radio and broadcast warnings but for a lot of people, the power was already off earlier this day so even if that siren had gone off, a lot of people would not have known what to do. think about this, andrea. when that siren goes off, usually it's for tsunami warnings so for a lot of people, they would have gone inland and ran straight into the fire. it was a really tough situation. and there are still a lot of answers about what went wrong and what could have been done differently to try to save more lives but again, the fire ran through there so quickly a lot of people couldn't do much. andrea? >> dana griffin. thank you. hunter biden, the fallout. what the president's son's attorney has to say about the case and whether a trial is actually not inevitable. you're watching "andrea mitchell

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raised. whether hunter could still be tried for his foreign business dealings. >> our client has been investigated in a five-year long thorough, pain staking investigation for every transaction he was involved in. if the now special counsel decides not to go by the deal, then it will mean that he or they decided something other than the facts and the law are coming into play. >> that was an interview with margaret brennan on face the nation. joining me now, jackie and harry. so, harry, what do you make of abbey lowell now claiming the foreign business dealings have been looked at and that the pretrial agreement not to go after him on the gun charge is still in effect? every indication certainly from the prosecutor, then prosecutor david weiss' announcement of the

plea agreement some time ago was that he was still investigating. so he put that in a press release. and then it was repeated in court. when the judge queried both sides and said has this wrapped up. one side said yes and the other said no so deal fell apart. >> that's true. although it fell apart for another reason. a kind of quirky legal reason because the judge said wait, you've put tat puts me in an awkward position. i think lowell has a point. he has been investigated for five years. we assume if it's not the case, all right. but we assume that we included the 2014, '15 possible violations and they decided not to bring them. if nothing new has merged in terms of facts and the law and the new special counsel has decided to bring new charges when the one thing that has transpired was this sort of

political maelstrom that it was a sweetheart deal, it feels as if this is not the way special counsels are supposed to work. it doesn't feel politically insulated. in fact, it feels politically fraught. so i think the big question is will weiss now try to bring new and different charges even when they had been. you're right. there was this, it's a kind of a cliche. the investigation is continuing but the sense on all sides was this really had wrapped it up and if that's now being unwrapped with no new facts or law, it's a little unsettling. >> and harry, i think chuck rosenberg, your colleague, and fellow contributor was questioning whether the special counsel was necessary in the case. he said it was somewhat cosmetic. >> that's true. the only reason he wanted this

power, once he asked for it, garland was kind of in a box. but he wanted to bring the cases, in new york and l.a., he did not need the special counsel designation to do it. but he can automatically, he could just asked and garland would have granted but he could automatically do it with this designation. again, if he wants to bring the very same charges but in new york or california, that's one thing. if he wants to bring now new charges, that's another. >> and jackie, republicans in congress initially had been calling for the appointment of a special counsel in the case. now it's a reality and many of them seem to have changed their mind. is it because it's david weiss? >> that's a really good question, andrea. it's hard to sort of track the line of thinking about why republicans have pivoted except from a rhetorical perspective. this obviously, this new line of messaging attacking david weiss

saying he couldn't be trusted because he allowed hunter biden to strike a sweetheart deal in the first place and this idea that the special counsel investigation is now going to impede the investigation allows them to continue to further their attacks on the biden administration and this idea that they've been pushing that the justice department has been weaponized and has the fbi and law enforcement in general against republicans and that this is just the latest example of that. but you know, as you just noted, months ago, there were republicans who were clambering about this very idea that there wasn't a special counsel apointed. they claimed and touted the testimony of whistleblowers like the irs supervisor who was working closely on this case, that he said weiss had asked to be special counsel and that garland had rejected it.

weiss obviously denied this as did the justice department. now it's finally happening but this is something republicans were asking for so that hunter biden could receive fairer treatment under the law as is sort of cosmetically, sort of this cosmetic design to enhance that process. >> jackie and harry, thanks to both of you. >> thanks. fair play. donald trump and ron desantis crossing paths over the weekend at the iowa state fair according to republican voters. will they meet again on the debate state though next week in milwaukee? this is msnbc. in milwaukee? this is msnb c. i used to wait to run my dishwasher 'til it was super full. now— i run it daily. weekdays— weekends— you might think that's wasteful, but it's not. even half loads use 80% less water than handwashing. saving $130 on utilities. cascade. dare to dish differently. >> woman: why did we choose safelite? >> vo: for us, driving around is the only way we can get our baby

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white house deputy chief of staff. "new york times" politics reporter, maya king, and david jolly. so david, to be fair, desantis did have supporters there. lengthy sit-down with iowa governor reynolds who did not want to meet with trump. but even that was interrupted by some protesters. >> yeah. iowa politics getting punchy at this point and donald trump showing though this week he's still the heavyweight in this race. clearly. we know he's up by about 20 points or so but you also saw the crowd respond to the former president. ron desantis seems committed to trying to win one of the early states and the relationship with the iowa governor could be a key to that. though she has said she's not going to endorse, she clearly continues to lean into the optics of a friendly relationship with ron desantis. she has made herself the subject of insults typically from donald trump. but this remains donald trump's field.

ron desantis is still giving a go at it. >> and jim messina, the first debate is next week in milwaukee. the campaign of four candidates are preparing for the possibility that mr. trump will show up at the last minute and just listen to what nikki haley had to say about the debate. >> he's taking the chance that everybody's going to talk about his record and why he's not on that stage. i've never known him to be scared of anything. we'll see if he's scared to get on a debate stage, but i'd expect him to get up there. >> jim, walt nauta was by trump's side. still his working as his aide at the state fair. does that make a difference to trump supporters? on whether or not he shows up? does that make a difference? >> no. none of it makes a difference to donald trump supporters as david has said to me repeatedly, he has a solid base of some 40, 50% of the republican party. the other candidates are going to get on the debate stage and try to be the trump alternative.

try to get that second lane. that second lane has been desantis' lane for the last six months. he's shown no ability to pull people together and consolidate that lane. so what his poor performance so far has done is give breath of life to people like tim scott and nikki haley and other candidates to have their moment in the sun. that said, color me skeptical that donald trump's going to get on that stage next week. >> and maya king, another big player of course vice president pence. he's got some support. there were some protesters also against him. he's been leaning in more and more to his role on january 6th. he's saying he's hopeful on "meet the press," he said he's hopeful that special counsel david weiss will quote do his job without fear or favor. but he again went after the justice department big time. let's watch. >> we're not just going to have a new attorney general and fbi director, chuck, but i'm going

to clean house on the whole top floor of the justice department and demand that we have men and women who are respected on both sides of the aisle as people of integrity who will apply the rule of law in this country equally to every american. >> so maya, how does that play? that was of course with chuck todd on "meet the press." >> well i think you have candidates like vice president, former vice president pence sort of trying to have it both ways in how they talk about what's happening in these indictments. vice president pence has doubled down now on saying that he believes he had to follow the rule of law on january 6th and has defended himself in that way in upholding the constitution that day even to some supporters who feel he betrayed him. but then to go back and say he plans to clean house on day one if he's elected president also

underlines the way that a number of republican candidates are trying to not only say they support the former president, but also that they would do something that any president would do on day one, which is of course install the people who are loyal to them and the folks who are more in line with their ideology here. so it just feels like the former vice president is both trying to one sow down in the current department of justice for its role in the indictments while also defending himself for following the law that day. >> of course, you know, jim messina, he's talking about what is done as maya points out. every u.s. attorney is asked to resign. david weiss was the exception was he was held over to try to be neutral about the hunter biden case. but not the career people at justice and not the fbi director, who has a ten-year term. >> no, that's right.

this is part of a republican playbook to sow out and rip apart government at all levels. he's now talking about getting rid of whole floors at a very nonpartisan doj. when i worked in the white house, i was sometimes frustrated by how nonpartisan they were and doing their jobs. you have career people there who care deeply about the country and are trying to do the best they can for their country and all they get from the former vice president is attacks and it's once again the sadness of the republicans politicizing the importance branches of our government that keep us safe in a democracy. >> david jolly, does mike pence though have a lane, especially in iowa where he has strong evangelical support presumably and where they know him as a former governor? as a vice president where he was taking credit in his speeches, clearly taking credit today and on "meet the press" for the

accomplishments he sees of the trump-pence years other than of course january 6th. >> yeah, andrea. appears the only lane for pence is the evangelical lane and that is his gamble. the notion that somehow he was patriotic on january 6th though, true in the eyes of history simply doesn't resonate in american politics other than a couple of percentage points. desantis knows that and he's trying to lean into that lane as well. for pence, the odds are long he makes it out of these early states but he's going to put that message in front of the republican voters. they're just not receiving it right no. >> maya, before we let you go, what about desantis? he was out there with his family all weekend riding the rides, doing the iowa fair. trying to show that he's you know, got that common touch. how did that work?

>> well, governor desantis has staked and his campaign has staked so much on the state of iowa and a strong showing in iowa but i think he's run into what he's run into in the first days of his campaign, the dominance of former president trump. you saw the audience in iowa was friendly but smaller than the audience that donald trump received around the same time. and even as he did, he had hecklers talking about desantis. so it's just going to be a really tough couple of weeks i think for the desantis campaign as it continues to try to assert some dominance and make it out of iowa with a strong showing but of course, the story has remained the same for him and the rest of the republican primary field not named trump. just really hard to beat the incumbent former president at this stage. >> thanks to all of you. and one step closer to home.

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temporarily under house arrest in tehran as u.s. treasury is beginning to complicated process of freeing up $6 billion in iran's nonsanctioned oil revenue that can now be used for non humanitarian purposes like food and medicine. once it's done, iran has promised these former prisoners can fly home and the white house has agreed to release iranian from u.s. jails in a swap. the u.s. government has identified three prisoners. the two other american families do not want their relatives to be identified publicly. shrgi's sister told face the nation she has talked with her brother. >> not only have i spoken with him, but i actually saw his face on a video call he made and i was able to look into his eyes. i'm happy to say he survived.

he's alive. we're so hopeful that we can have him at home in our arms hopefully soon. >> and joining me now is the iran project director and senior adviser to the president at the international crisis group who's a good friend of one of the prisoners being released. and james, former commander. ali, i know you're close. have you had contact with him, the family? have you talked to him since he's out? >> i have not but i know the family has. and of course, they're all elated that he's out but in equal part, they're concerned because he's not yet out of iran. and this process remains a very fragile process in the next few weeks so they're very anxious. >> indeed. and admiral, we're told this could take several weeks to complete. basically, the treasury has to move money that's been held in

south korea. has to be converted into currency that iran can use including the euro. and it will be held in qatar who helped negotiate all of this. and qatar will dole out the money to iran under established rules showing it's not going for nefarious purposes, weapons or drones to russia, whatever. all this while notably officials are telling us there have been no attacks by iranian backed you know, militias or other groups against u.s. forces in either syria or iraq in a year. that this is a signal that iran wants to make a deal. >> let's hope so and i am cautiously optimistic that the complexities of getting this deal together will be done and therefore, these american citizens will be able to come home to their families and certainly we can all celebrate

that. what we ought to be a little bit worried about going forward is does this put iran on a course where they think snatching an american could lead to good outcomes for them. we've got to make it very clear to them that that is not acceptable behavior. they snatch, for example, oil tankers in the arabian gulf and are holding several of them right now. so we've got to be smart about how we approach iran in this circumstance but bottom line, we're all going to be very joyful when these americans come home and are reunited with their families. >> admiral, there's another piece to this and it's not connected, they say, but there have been side negotiations. they've happened in oman and other places. indirect between the u.s. and iran on the nuclear deal on

essentially freezing the deal at 60% enrichment, below weapons grade, and letting u.n. weapons inspectors back in. already we've heard from israel this is not acceptable, it's too dangerous, but it would lengthen the so-called break time, which is now down to a matter of days or hopefully just a few weeks. but it's gotten very, very tight because of the technical advances they've made since the trump administration canceled the deal in 2018. >> indeed. and of course, now we're a lot more expert having watched oppenheimer over the last couple of weeks, but your assessment is right on, which is 60% enrichment is in fact too low to create the kind of thermo nuclear effects we saw in the movie and are very real in today's world. if i were an israeli, i would be very concerned and i would be

monitoring this deal every step of the way because the ultimate target for an iranian nuclear weapon would be the state of israel. as we move forward on this and we ought to explore this and if it's in the the hostage release deal, all the better as we explore -- if we have to go in eyes wide open, this iranian regime, this rotten theocracy at the top of that country is a very slippery and difficult opponent, whether you're negotiating hostage release or the nuclear deal. >> to pick up on that, ali, this is iranian money they were permitted under sanctions, permitted to sell to south korea and some of our other allies, and during this whole period of sanctions, were permitted by several administrations to put into an account, and now that is being released.

the question from republicans and other critics is how is this not ramsome for hostages? >> first of all, ransom is never paid by the hostage takers. this is iran's money. no cash is flowing out of the united states, no cash is flowing into iran. more importantly, u.s. sanctions have humanitarian exemptions, and all the administration is doing is basically conforming implemented u.s. policy to existing u.s. laws. the trump administration itself put in place a mechanism in switzerland that would do the exact same thing, allow iran to tap into frozen assets abroad in order to buy humanitarian goods. most interestingly i think is that republicans in the protests in iran that were brutally suppressed by the regime in the past few months always pretended and professed they stand with

the iranian people. apparently they want to stand on their neck, because they don't want to allow the iranian people to have access to food and medicine. >> how do you respond, also, to their argument that money is fungible. if they get this $6 billion that has been escrowed or frozen or how ever you define it, they can spend $6 billion more on weapons and not even spend it on -- >> in other words, they're against the principle of humanitarian exemptions. they're saying iranian should not have been able to use its own money for food and medicine. i would like them to say that very clearly to the iranian people. also, andrea, look at the track record. iran after five years of being under maximum pressure sanctions has being more oppressive at home, more aggressive in the region. it's on the verge of nuclear weapons, as you said. the admiral is absolutely right, as much a destabilizing force in

the middle east as it ever has been. there was no shortage of bullets and anti riot gear during the protest. to hold on to marginal benefits of sanctions and leave americans behind is irresponsible. i think the biden administration has done the right thing here. >> admiral, i want to switch gears and lean on you about your expertise about ukraine. we learned about two young women who sang about love and loss, they were killed in an air strike last week. ukraine is in mourning for these women. i think we have pictures of them. it's just another very blunt reminder, this war is still raging on. >> it is. the rage ought to be from the international community about the war crimes that we see again and again and again. those photographs are heartbreaking. i'd encourage viewers to google

the last performance by the yarn singers. it's on the internet. it's beautiful music. it's tragic. it goes with pace on putin's attack on maternity wards, theaters of children and women sheltering in mariupol, tore cher chambers. international criminal behavior, ultimately russia and especially vladimir putin must be held to account. >> ali vaez, thank you for being here, and admiral james stavridis, thanks to both of you. a first amendment showdown in kansas after local police raid the news room of a local paper. why press advocates are alarmed. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." that's next on msnbc. mitchell ports. that's next on msnbc (ella) fashion moves fast. setting trends is our business. we need to scale with customer demand... ...in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level.

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freedom of the press. >> gestapo-like tactics, this is what they do in the third world. >> eric miers says his mother collapsed and died just one day after the raid. >> she became so upset about this that she wouldn't eat that day, she wouldn't sleep that night. >> reporter: at issue is a tip one of his reporters received about a local business owner, kari newell, accused of driving without a license. they didn't publish the story. newell accused the paper of invading her privacy and illegally obtaining information about her after she threw meyer and another reporter out of a political event. the police chief defending the raid writing that the judicial system that is being questioned will be vindicated while meyers defended his paper. >> when somebody comes in your house, takes your computer, your mother's computer, takes the computers out of your news room, you begin thinking a little

paranoid. >> steph any gosk joins me now. there are supposed to be subpoenas before reporters' cell phones and computers are taken. >> that is typically the case. there are protections in federal law, also state pro decks that say typically subpoenas are what's used to obtain things like cell phones and hard drives. there are some exceptions to that rule. really at the heart of it, andrea, is the affidavit of probable cause that we haven't seen that's issued and that a judge looks at to issue a search warrant. it's at the heart of this. what's in that document, were there grounds to seize these materials? that's really the question at hand here. there are a number of laws that protect journalists, specifically obviously the first amendment. also, americans in general are protected by unlawful seizures by the fourth amendment. all those measures coming into

play here. a lot of people upset about this. >> we should point out a group of media national organizations including nbc signed a letter from the reporters committee on civil rights. thank you very much, stephanie gosk. we'll stay on that. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember follow us on social media@mitchell reports. republican presidential candidate will hurd joins "chris jansing reports" right now. good afternoon. i'm chris jansing live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now a grand jury is meeting behind closed doors in georgia where the clock is ticking down to a potential fourth criminal indictment against donald trump. we'll have a live report from outside the courthouse where the fulton county d.a. is expected to present her election interference case. soon after, decisions on what and who might be