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suicide. and the investor immortalizing the big short for predicting the housing bubble would burst is back at it again. why he's betting $1.6 billion that the stock market will crash. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we begin in hawaii with the growing questions about the role downed power lines may have played in those deadly wildfires. nbc's dana griffin is live from maui. some hawaiian residents are suing the utility company as videos emerge of what happened to the power lines during the high winds. dana, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, chris, i can tell you, we have seen a lot of videos on social media, one in particular that purports to show downed power lines and smoke, and that could have been the reignition of that fire after it was contained. nbc news has not independently verified those videos yet. we're hearing reports from several people including one guy who says that fire started behind his home, and now there are concerns that that may have

been sparked by hawaiian electric's power lines. that is the company named in these three lawsuits. they claim that the company should have deenergized those power lines with the fire threat due to those high winds. that is a practice we usually see in california, certain power companies will notify residents they are shutting down the power so that in the event that equipment fails or power lines go down, it prevents the likelihood of a fire starting. so that's part of the investigation. right now, crews, though, however are still focused at the decimated site where they are still sifting through the rubble, trying to find countless others. we know at least eight people we have been able to identify. we are still working to learn the names of other people. they are still trying to identify those people through dna samples, chris. >> dana griffin, thank you for that update. now to the very fast schang

change of venue moves in the georgia election interference case. what's the latest for mark meadows? >> mark meadows is first out of the gate here. he has a nonfrivolous contention, arguing that the conduct at issue here was part of his job, and there's a provision of the law which allows people, federal officials who are charged in a state court in connection with their work that they say is falling under their federal job to move that to federal court. so what he said here is the conduct giving rise to the challenges in indictment occurred during his tenure and as part of his service as chief of staff. federal law provides for prompt removal of criminal prosecution commenced in a state court, directed to a federal official in an official or individual capacity for or relating to any act under color of his office. essentially what this is going to boil down to is whether what mark meadows was doing on donald

trump's behalf was part of his job as chief of staff. and i think there's going to be arguments on both sides there in terms of whether or not this fell within the confines of his job or what the prosecutors are likely to argue is that this fell outside the bounds of what his job as white house chief of staff actually was about, and this was more work on behalf of donald trump's interest and behalf of donald trump's campaign, rather than some sort of national interest of the united states. he wasn't working for the united states there. he was trying to get donald trump to have a second term in office, chris. >> ryan reilly, thank you for that. now to a skyrocketing number of children going to the e.r. for mental health related issues. nbc's erica edwards has been following this for us. i know you have been hearing from some desperate doctors, erica. what exactly is going on? >> reporter: yeah, emergency room doctors say they are completely overwhelmed with the number of children and teenagers going into the emergency departments with mental health crises and behavioral health

concerns. and just this morning, three major influential medical groups got together to release a joint statement demanding more resources as the american academy of pediatrics, the american college of emergency physicians and the emergency nurses association all saying that what they're doing is simply unsustainable. right now, about a half million kids every year go to the e.r. with some kind of mental health crisis, and that number has been increasing for at least a decade. for example, i talked with one doctor at rady children's hospital in san diego yesterday. she said a few years ago, they had maybe 30 such kids coming in a month. now it is 30 every single day, and what happens often times is that there's really no beds to transfer these kids out of the e.r. into more of a longer term residential facility where they can get that longer term specialized care that they need, and now these groups are coming together and saying, hey, if we're going to take care of all of these kids, we need more

pediatric help help inside the e.d. and also in the community, doctors offices to try to sort of help catch these cases before they escalate to where they need emergency care. what's more, they are begging for more information, more training to help guide them when they're treating specific groups at risk, lgbtq youth, and kids who have, you know, prior violence, abuse. you talked about the kids coming in, talking about suicide. they're coming in as young as 5 and 6 years old, talking about these major issues. >> that is unbelievable. 30 a month to 30 a day. important reporting, erica edwards, thank you. wall street meantime, buzzing about a jaw dropping new bet by the investor who famously predicted the 2008 collapse of the housing market. cnbc's dom chu joins us for cnbc on msnbc. his name is michael bury, he got famous for the big short.

he's at it again. what can you tell us? >> it's not exactly a vote of confidence on where the stock market is headed but it's not entirely clear just how negative he is on the future direction f the markets. by the way, that ultimately led to the biggest financial crisis in america back in '08 and '09, since the great depression, but also because of the vast amount of money he made betting on that downturn. when a person like that, who called the last major financial meltdown is calling for another one, folks pay attention. this is according to regulatory filings. they have to be made by america's biggest investors. burry bought financial instruments that profit, make money, if the s&p 500 and nasdaq 100 fall in value. now, it's unclear what those so-call put options are valued at currently or what he paid for them in the first place, but the notional value of the combined

negative bets covers a jaw dropping $1.6 billion in market exposure. now, what he actually paid for that exposure could be considerably less than that. what's interesting, though, about this beyond just that eye grabbing headline number that this particular disclosure talks about the bet, and it was placed and it was at the end of june. it is not clear whether that bet is still ongoing or whether he closed it out already at a profit or a potential loss. this also is a bet that doesn't necessarily need the market, chris, to cross precipitously for it to make money. it gives the trader the option to sell it at some time down the line, even with a modest pull back in markets. $1.6 billion bet, so to speak is catching numbers but it's unclear whether or not he's actually going to wait for a massive drop in the stock market to profit fully, chris. >> but wall street and a lot of the rest of us will be watching.

dom chu, thank you so much for that. millions of americans standing by donald trump, some, even as they face major legal consequences themselves. up next, the insights from the author who wrote a book about rudy giuliani and a scathing op-ed in today's "new york times." that's in 60 seconds. mes. th'sat in 60 seconds (fan #1) there ya go! that's what i'm talkin' about! (josh allen) is this your plan to watch the game today? (hero fan) uh, yea. i have to watch my neighbors' nfl sunday ticket. (josh allen) it's not your best plan. but you know what is? myplan from verizon. switch now and they'll give you nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv, on them. (hero fan) this plan is amazing! (josh allen) another amazing plan, backing away from here very slowly. (fan #1) that was josh allen. (fan #2) mmhm. (vo) for a limited time get nfl sunday ticket from youtubetv on us. a $449 value. plus, get a free samsung galaxy z flip5. only on verizon. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn.

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yesterday, giuliani said he has no regrets supporting trump, despite the fact that his reputation, first as a ground breaking u.s. attorney, and then as america's mayor, post 9/11, has been overshadowed by bizarre public appearances and the conspiracy theories he's pushed on trump's behalf. that's from the outside looking in. but giuliani insists he's no different than the crime busting prosecutor from the 1980s. >> i'm the same rudy giuliani that went after the mafia. i haven't changed one bit. the country has become fascist and communist, i haven't. i'm the same rudy giuliani, the same quest for justice, gosh almighty, if donald trump committed a crime, love him though i do, i'd put him in jail. >> i want to bring in andrew kurtsman, his latest book, "giuliani, the rise and fall,"

and glen kirschner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. you wrote an essay arguing that this is not the man we saw in new york all of those decades ago. so when you hear the mayor say he has not changed, what goes through your mind? >> look, i mean, rudy giuliani was considered kind of a paragon of integrity in the 1980s. i tell the story about an old childhood friend who came to visit giuliani with a framed picture of the two of them together when they were children. giuliani took the picture out of the frame, took the picture, and gave the frame back, and he said i can't take that frame. he was just scrupulous about his ethics. that is not the giuliani we're seeing today, the person who's tried to overturn the election, someone who pushed the fake elector scheme, someone who told falsehoods about the election

workers passing usb drives, as though they were viles of cocaine. there's something about giuliani that has kind of changed in a moral way. his morals have, as i wrote today in the "times" have kind of disappeared into a void. he has always kind of framed his comments, his positions in moral ways, just as he did in that sound clip you just played, but he talks about morality but tries to justify some deeply, deeply immoral acts. >> so people ask me all the time, i'm guessing they ask you too. what is is it about donald trump that keeps people in his orbit, keeps their loyalty, when they're own reputations are at stake, and freedoms are at stake. what you wrote in your book, what's clear is that the two men's friendship survived when a hundred other trump

relationships died away like so many marriages of convenience. giuliani would never turn his back on trump, much to his detriment. can you pinpoint a time when america's mayor, when the guy who prosecuted rico cases changed and was it about donald trump? >> well, there are two pivots in rudy giuliani's life, one was 9/11, when he became more popular than the pope, according to a poll at that time, and then the 2008 presidential race, when he entered as a front runner and ended it in humiliation with just one delegate, and it was at that moment in 2008 when things kind of crashed around him, when he lost his 9/11 halo, was left in kind of the political wilderness, there was donald trump, and donald trump literally took him in to mar-a-lago right after his failure in 2008, and kind of shielded giuliani when he was

kind fell into a depression that i write about in my book, but also the two of them needed each other by 2016. trump needed giuliani because he didn't have any political friends, and giuliani needed trump because no one was knocking at giuliani's door anymore to endorse them. they each had a lot of reason to bond together. they like each other. they like each other a lot. they respect each other. >> enough to go to jail? >> well, it goes back to what i said about giuliani and morality. everything in giuliani's mind is about right and wrong. and that's one of the fascinating things about giuliani to me is that he preaches right and wrong, even when what he does is deeply immoral. and so i think that, you know, that's what drives him. >> jay thom, i think if you asked anyone in the '80s and

now, they would tell you, that rudy giuliani is expert on rico cases, and yet, he talked about the rico statute and fani willis's decision to use it, i think this is yesterday or the day before, take a listen. >> this is a ridiculous application of the racketeering statute. there's probably no one that knows it better than i do. probably some that know it as well. i was the first one to use it in white collar cases but in major cases like the bosky case and milkin case, this is not meant for election disputes. i mean, this is ridiculous what she's doing. also, i don't know if she realizes it because she seems like a pretty incompetent sloppy prosecutor. >> jay thom, what do you make of that? >> karma, chris. when mr. giuliani started his career as a really very well known federal prosecutor i was starting my career as a state

prosecutor, and we looked up to mr. giuliani because he was using that rico statute to bust not only mafia bosses but also white collar criminals. time has changed and now state prosecutors are using the same rico statute, the state version of it to go after corrupt politicians, and this is what giuliani needs to look at what the georgia supreme court has said, prosecuted the first corrupt politician in georgia using the rico statute and it was upheld by our georgia supreme court. now mr. giuliani is facing the same statute that has been used before. so willis is not a sloppy prosecutor. in fact, the attorney who wrote that indictment john floyd is the nation's heading expert on rico in this country. >> all right. so glenn, we know that rudy giuliani was named in this indictment more than 50 times, more than anyone except trump, is that the kind of person you would try to flip if you were prosecuting this case or is that the kind of person you want to

say, he should be prosecuted? >> yeah, you know, chris, there are times when even if a coconspirator or a defendant, we can now refer to giuliani as a defendant because he has been indicted in georgia, there are times when prosecutors would desperately like to acquire the information and the evidence they have against others, but there are some people that we can't clean up sufficiently, i mean that figuratively to put them before a jury and urge that jury to believe their testimony and use it to convict others. you know, the most important data point to me was when i sat giuliani sad for a proffer session in june, a proffer session is sort of the last step. prosecutors will meet with a coconspirator, perhaps soon to be a defendant, and rye to see if that person is willing and capable of telling the complete truth, an accurate account of what they did, including their own misconduct, and about the crimes of others.

and if they can tell the complete truth, then perhaps the next step is bringing them on board as a cooperating witness. but if they can't, if they lie, if they engage in misdirection and deception, if they're evasive, then often what happens is we say thank you for coming in, and we move toward indicting that person. what happened after giuliani's down proffer session, he popped up as an unindicted coconspirator of donald trump, and now an indicted coconspirator and defendant in georgia. i think the prospects of giuliani becoming a cooperating witness have been evaporated. >> do you look at a rudy giuliani and say, oh, yes, there's someone who we could make a deal with, who would tell the complete truth. >> no, as you just said, i don't believe mr. giuliani can or will tell the complete truth in this case, and his case will ultimately go to trial. no, he's already admitted that he knowingly made false

statements to the georgia legislature, trying to get the georgia election overturned. that was in the defamation case, so he's already admitted that what he said was false. and now the prosecutor just has to prove that he did it with intent to overthrow the election, and i think that's pretty obvious. >> rudy giuliani, i'm looking it up, he's 79 years old. i wanted to double check myself on this. and i'm wondering, glenn, when you've dealt with defendants before, how that and the prospect of prison can play into their mindset? >> yeah, you know, once somebody sees their name as a charged defendant, particularly on a rico indictment, i prosecuted rico cases in federal court in washington, d.c., it tends to become very real, and, you know, rudy giuliani is not a young man. a rico conviction, almost any conviction could be the equivalent of a life sentence, so you do have to wonder whether

he might be second guessing the path he has taken that has led him to exactly where he is at this moment, and maybe he would like to try to make right what he did wrong so long ago, but it just doesn't feel, chris, like that is in the offing for rudy giuliani. >> none of us, andrew, ever knows what's going on in someone else's mind, but knowing rudy giuliani as you do, having covered him for as long as you have, what do you imagine his thoughts are right now about where he finds himself? >> well, you know, he's always kind of the victim in one of these cases and he's always, you know, the big crusader, you know, i mean, that's what he was seen like for so many years, even decades as a prosecutor and as a mayor of course after 9/11, he still sees himself as a hero, and will never ever doubt himself. i just want to say one more thing about rico.

rico is not just a legal tool to him. rico is part of his life story, part of his identity. he tells a story about how he had this eureka moment at the justice department, listening to joe banana on television, talking about the five families getting together, kind of god father like, and making big decisions, and how it was he who decided, that's how i can bust them. i can use the rico act. he's so identified with rico, it's part of his identity, part of his self-worth, and georgia is employing rico against anymore, kind of draws a knife into the heart of his legacy, and it must hurt. >> andrew kirtsman, jay tom morgan, glenn kirschner, what a fascinating conversation, thank you so much for being on the program. next, a stunning story of survival, a lahaina resident joins us with unbelievable

stories, first of surviving the story and now the aftermath and the ongoing struggle to get help on the island. first, a heartbreaking story of loss, among the 106 people killed in the wildfires, 68-year-old franklin, who died protecting his friend's dog, a golden retriever named sam. authorities say they found the two in the backseat of a car with trejoy lie lying on top of sam, an attempt to shield the dog who also died. his family remembering him today as a huge animal lover, saying quote, god took a really good man. we'll be right back. took a rea man. we'll be right back.

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a week after deadly infernos killed at least 106 people in hawaii, traumatized residents are now stuck in an excruciating wait for answers. only a handful of dead identified, and 1,300 still missing. more than a thousand families have no home to return to. they're staying in shelters, hotels, and airbnbs. much of the water supply is now contaminated, sinks are spewing black liquid. communication remains incredibly difficult, and at least 2,000 homes and businesses still don't have power, so people are walking to sea walls to find better service. some of them using megaphones to blast out information about emergency supplies. with me now, levi rowen.

he was celebrating a friend's birthday last week when the fire started and the house he was in burned to the ground. levi, i can't imagine what you have been through, i know you felt since that day it's important for you to help others. what does daily life look for you right now in maui? >> it looks like doing everything we can for the people that have resources that can help to bring it to people in need. there's a lot of people in need still out there with no water, power, service. it's getting better, all we can do is keep the vibes good and stay strong together as a community, and do all we can to help. >> tell us some of the things that you and your friends have been doing. >> we have been piling our trucks as full as we can, full of water, gas, most importantly gas. people are stuck to where they don't know how to get out and no gas tanks are working, and food. as much as we can, we have been

making supply runs as the roads were open. there's difficulties now getting over there. it's getting better. and we're doing what we can. and spreading awareness and trying to raise money to bring as much supplies over there as we can. >> how did this even happen? how do you even begin in the middle of one of the greatest disaster that this country has ever seen to take ordinary people, i assume none of you, you know, have worked for the red cross or worked for fema, get organized, get supplies, and get them to people who need them. how did you even accomplish what you have? >> this community of hawaii is stronger than any community in the u.s., let alone maybe the world, and if things aren't going to happen throughout the state, if no one is going to do it, we're going to do it, and this community has come together so fast, so strong, and it's not going to give up, and it's a strong community. we came together just like that. >> do you have the help you

need? and where is the help coming from? where are you getting the supplies? where's the money coming from, and are you getting help from the government, either state government or federal government? >> they seem to be on the back end or delaying things. the help is coming from the people, from the residents, from the locals, from the people of hawaii. from our friends, from everyone coming together doing it themselves. because everything's been put on hold. >> you are not someone who is flying in. you're somebody who understands what the folks on your island have been through. tell us, if you will, take me back to that moment when the fire started and what it was like for you. >> it was confusion. there was no warnings. no one knew what was going on. all we knew is there was a big cloud of smoke in the air, and it was scary.

we don't know whether to stay at home, protect the house or to try to flee and get away. no one knew anything. it was chaos between everyone trying to figure out what to do, taking the word of the people, taking the word of our neighbors, figuring out things together without any help from anyone else outside. >> and knowing how busy you have been, i don't know how much time you have to follow the news, but president biden and his wife are coming, first lady, next monday to maui. what would you want to say to him? what would you want him to know? >> that there's still people that need help now that should have been helped on day one. there's people out there with no service, no way, don't know how or where to get the help. we need every truck, every food supply, every water, every radio, every generator to go in there and help right now. and get the people out of there.

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and the real atmosphere at that time was really a breathing of a sigh of relief because we remember how difficult it was for the president to get that legislation, what was originally called the build back better act to the finish line, all the difficult negotiations it took with progressives and moderates like senator joe manchin to get on the same page. now the mood in the east room is one of celebration. a number of officials speaking, leader schumer, former speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, all part of the speakers to talk about what this law is providing for the american people, and really we're seeing that sales job continue. it happened in the press briefing today where we heard from john podesta, senior adviser to the president on climate issues, talking about what this will translate into beyond just the impact on climate change. take a listen to what he had to say. >> in the one years since the inflation reduction act pass, we have seen more than $110 billion in new clean energy manufacturing investments from the private sector.

these new investments are creating jobs and bringing economic opportunity to communities all across america. >> reporter: there really has been a campaign-style effort on the part of the president and on the part of the administration over the last few weeks, to try to break in big piece of legislation into some of its smaller components, to talk about some of the individual pieces that they think are going to be very popular. i asked the president's chief domestic policy adviser about the fact that there are already legal challenges. there are some efforts by republicans in congress to try to repeal or undermine parts of the law. she compared it to the affordable care act, obama care, to say there were some rocky moments at the beginning, but ultimately this is something the public will see and support in overwhelming numbers, chris. >> you may not be able to see it, but there's nancy pelosi, speaker talking ahead of the president. talk about joe manchin skipping

the event today. >> reporter: it is conspicuous, the president handed senator manchin the pen after signing it into law. manchin is considering running for president as an independent candidate, has been critical of at least the administration's implementation of the law. he says they're manipulating this legislation to advance a radical climate agenda: this is all as part of an effort on the part of senator manchin to keep his political options open. if he doesn't run for president, maybe for reelection in west virginia, which we know is a very republican state, and so his absence is notable here, but the administration continues to insist it has a good working relationship with senator man chin. he had dinner a few weeks ago with one of the top advisers to keep the lines of communication with hip. they're not surprised by whatever he maid end up doing next. >> the energy, that they are still celebrating a year later, they were able to in a divided congress get the piece of legislation passed.

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so you've got toe give the headline writers at "the new york times" props, framing an issue many americans are dealing with and frankly aren't happy about it this way. secretary of state antony blinken's toughest challenge might not be coups, but passport delays. enormous backlogs have been creating summer travel nightmares for many americans who discovered that getting or renewing a passport can now take months. clearly they are letting their representatives on washington know about it. on capitol hill, there's bipartisan criticism that the backlog is a crisis, and unacceptable. the state department, which handles passports, says it's still recovering from pandemic-related disruptions and faces a record number of new

applications, but until they fix it, we thought we would just put out a warning to the travelers out there. we have also got an update on the controversy surrounding the police raid of a small kansas newspaper. after significant backlash, police are returning the computers, hard drives and documents they seized from the 150-year-old paper's offices. nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk is here. what exactly happened? well, we don't exactly know. and the county attorney said that he's withdrawing this search warrant. but that doesn't mean this is over because if there was a violation of constitutional rights, which a lot of people believe there was, including our own news organization, does the investigation continue to hold those people who are accountable. and think about this, chris, for that search warrant to be issued, had to be the police chief, the county attorney and then a judge to sign off on it. one of the things we have not seen is the probable cause affidavit that would warrant a search warrant. that has never been released

publicly. all of those questions are being asked. the kansas bureau of investigation is looking into this incident to see if what happened and could there potentially be an abuse of power. this newspaper, as you mentioned, 150 years old. they had their hard drives taken, their cell phones and their documents. it is a weekly paper that comes out every wednesday, and even with all of those things gone, they still managed to get an edition out today. >> that is incredible. >> i know you'll stay on the story. stephanie gosk, thank you for coming in. the man convicted of fire bombing an illinois planned parenthood clinic has just been sentenced to the maximum prison time, ten years for 33-year-old tyler massengill, who first denied and then admitted setting the place on fire, angry his girlfriend had an abortion. if the attack caused, quote, even a little delay in someone getting care it would have all been worth it.

massengill will have to pay 1 1/2 million dollars for damage to the clinic which is set to reopen next year. no one was hurt in the fire. now to some breaking news, a ruling on the abortion drug mifepristone. i want to bring in nbc news senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett. i was handed this ruling from the 5th circuit. i haven't seen it but this is about the access to the abortion pill. >> the same case that had been circulating around earlier this year, the most commonly used pill in the country, mifepristone, and a lower judge in texas, back in april, had put a hold on the original approval of the drug, as well as some of the ways the fda made the drug easier to use, getting the pill by mail. you'll remember, the twists and turns, all the way to the supreme court, let's just slow everything down. i'm going to put a pause on the lower court ruling while the case continues to play out. it has continued to play out, and went back down to the fifth circuit. it went before a conservative

appeals court, three judges now today have issued a decision, and it is upholding part of the original texas ruling but only in part, and the part that it says is okay is having to do with getting the pill by mail, all the ways they can get it more easily. that's the part they said cannot happen. the loosening of restrictions, that's the part that is not okay. the reason they do that, they say the fda failed to address several important concerns about whether the drug would be safe for the women that use it. it's all about safety. remember, this was a case filed by a group of doctors and advocates against abortion who made safety concerns as well as moral arguments and in this case, the court said those doctors and advocates put forth enough evidence at least at this point to get a stay on, again, just the piece of the ruling that has to do with the loosening of restrictions. practical impact, nothing changes for anybody right now

because of that supreme court ruling. the pill will not be taken off the market. there will be no practical impact nor anyone at home. this tees up an appeal by the justice department. >> can i just say that the ruling, how many pages is it? >> 90 something. >> this happened like five minutes ago, she came running over here, she's read it, she's got the section of it. you amaze me. thank you so much. >> that's what i'm here for. more controversy surrounding george santos, the new federal indictment, again, breaking news, this just was handed down in the last hour. it's all about one of his paid fund risers. that's next. one of his paid fund risers. that's nt.ex subway's now slicing their meats fresh. that's why soccer pros like me profer the grand slam ham. and this rookie prefers fresh sliced turkey. perfect for when you're subbed out of the game. and if we profer it, we know you'll prefer it too. nothing better than a sub, sub. power e*trade's easy-to-use tools make complex trading less complicated.

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there's a new reporting about the deadly rust movie set shooting, and it raises questions about alec baldwin's claims that he never pulled the trigger of a prop gun that went

off. a second expert analysis of the gun found the accident could only have happened if the trigger was pulled and that prosecutors are now deciding whether to refile charges against the actor. just a few months after dismissing his involuntary manslaughter charges. baldwin was rehearsing on set with the gun fired, killing cinematographer halyna hutchins. and this is in new today, just getting word na someone who raised for the embattled republican congressman, george santos, has been criminally charged. as you may know, santos himself is under indictment. nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill. what do we know about this, ryan? >> this is an individual by the name of sam mealy, he was a paid fundraiser for the george santos campaign, and prosecutors are accusing him of impersonating dan meyer, who was at one time the chief of staff to the house speaker kevin mccarthy, and what they say is that mealy was

calling potential donors, describing themselves as being meyer, and then asking them for money to support the santos campaign. as a result, he's been charged with four counts of wire fraud and one count of aggravated identity theft in the indictment that was just issued in u.s. district court in brooklyn. part of the evidence that prosecutors have in this case an e-mail that was sent from mealy to george santos where he actually brags about the fact that he was impersonating meyer, and said, essentially, along the lines that he needed to take big swings in order to get big results. this of course just a part of all the controversy that's surrounding santos himself, as you rightly point out, he's facing a number of federal charges himself and also facing an ethics investigation here in congress by the house of representatives. many republicans and a lot of democrats have called on santos to step down. he has refused to do so, and has said many times that he ultimately believes that the

courts will exonerate him of any wrong doing. chris. >> a couple of quick things, we have heard just heard from the lawyer from the fundraiser, they look forward to clearing his name at trial, he didn't do it. but what is the status of the ethics investigation on the hill? >> reporter: so the house ethics committee has said that they have continued on with their investigation despite the fact that there was a federal indictment on the table. often times, the ethics committee will take a step back while the justice department works out its situation. we do know, though, that the house ethics committee has signalled they will likely not have resolution to their investigation until the federal indictment works itself out. there was hope by some republicans in congress that it would be resolved before the august recess. some republicans, particularly from the new york delegation had even said if it was not resolved, that they would push to expel santos from congress. that obviously did not happen. they are now in recess. so we'll have to see if any of

this comes to a head once congress returns back to session in september. >> ryan nobles, always great to see you my friend. thank you. that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 eastern on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. salesmen salesmen. good with you, i'm katy tur. we have a couple of things going on at the same time, we're going to look at the east room of the white house where president biden is celebrating the one-year anniversary of the inflation reduction act. that right there is not president biden. that is chuck schumer, he says he will introduce the president in a couple of minutes. we're going to go there once he does, but moments ago, we got breaking news out of the fifth circuit court of appeals in louisiana. the court just rolled back access to the widely used abortion pill mifepristone. the drug