word with jason johnson, every week wherever you get your podcasts. tomorrow, my new episode with ensay ufa is dropping. we get into the impact of voter suprovision in georgia. it's not just about breaking law. it's also about breaking the spirit of the people in the state. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reidout," april 2026, that is the date that donald trump's team proposed his federal trial begin in the election interference case. i did say 2026, right? that is not a typo. that's the real date he set. fun. plus, the latest in a series of horrifying post-roe realities as a 13-year-old rape victim, a rape survivor, i should say, is forced to give birth in the state where abortion has now

been made illegal. and the latest from hawaii as the death toll continues to climb. and officials begin to ask if there was anything more they could have done to save at least some of those lives. but we begin tonight with a question that i will bet you have never thought of but that the latest trump indictment got me thinking about it. it is this. what is a gang? really, what is it? and what pops into your head when you think of the word. our friends at merriam-webster define it as a group working to unlawful or antisocial ends, especially a band of antisocant adolescents. there have been many definitions. in the early 1900s, they were rowdy kids. on tv, our gang, otherwise known as the little rascals, spanky, alfalfa, and the bunch. there were the sharks and jets

in west side story for those of you who love musical. in the modern era, people probably think of the crips or bloods or ms-13, but the gangs that were most famous and notorious were the mafia families of the 1940s through the 1980s who terrorized, financially exploited and financially propped up ethnic communities in the irish, italian, jewish, and african american downtown neighborhoods in cities like chicago, atlantic city, las vegas, and new york city. they defined what law enforcement and governments understood gangs to be. law enforcement, however, struggled to prosecute these criminal organizations. because their members were committing separate individual crimes that may have been associated but not necessarily connected in obvious ways to each other. that's why the feds ultimately got al capone for tax evasion. it was not legally possible to get him any other way. it wasn't until 1970 that congress came up with a law that would allow federal prosecutors

to connect the disparate crimes being committed by a bunch of individuals into a single prosecution. what we know as the rico act. now, if you look at donald trump's indictment in georgia, fulton county d.a. fani willis repeatedly refers to trump, his 18 co-defendants, and his 30 unnamed, unindicted coconspirators as this criminal organization. quote, this criminal organization constituted an enterprise as that term is defined in georgia's rico act statute, a group of individuals associated in fact. she's basically describing them as a gang. the indictment continues, the defendants and other members and associates of the enterprise had connections and relationships with one another and with the enterprise. the enterprise constituted an ongoing organization whose members and associates functioned as a continuing unit for a common purpose of achieving the objectives of the

enterprise. that's the theory, that d.a. fani willis is working with, that trump and a group of 18 other people with a variety of separate functions from a bunch of different places conspired to commit separate crimes in furtherance of a single conspiracy. not to move drugs or to rob banks, but rather to rob voters of the election results they voted for. she's basically indicted the trump gang, outside the scope of this legal case, there's another aspect of the larger trump gang, maga extremists, that seem to mirror common gang-like tactics. namely a propensity for violence. what was january 6th, after all? besides a show of force on behalf of their leader. the violence and threats of violence have continued ever since. a woman in texas has been arrested and charged this week after leaving a voice mail threatening federal judge tanya chutkan, the judge overseeing

trump's january 6th conspiracy trial in d.c. according to the affidavit, the woman said, quote, if trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you. so tread lightly, b-word, adding you will be targeted personally, publicly, your family, all of it. it is worth noting, that message came just one day after trump's if you go after me, i'm coming after you, post on his social media. also this week, someone or some people released the purported names, photos, and addresses of the fulton county grand jurors who voted to indict trump, putting the information on a fringe right-wing website that often features violent rhetoric. the list is also circulating on far right message boards. it's a tactic michael corleone would be proud of. one person wrote in response to the post, quote, these jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting president trump. wow, right?

and scary. these grand jurors are now being added to the so-called trump enemies list for doing their civic duty, listening to the facts laid out to them and voting based on the evidence. and as someone who has been on the receiving end of showing up on a list like this, i can tell you it is not long before you start getting threatening phone calls and emails nchg not to mention the online attacks. since there's no way of knowing who is talking crap and who is serious, it does care you. if you're any kind of a normal person. but just think about how much more terrifying it is for someone who is not chosen to be in the public eye, and who might not have the resources to get protection. these grand jurors are just private ordinary fulton county citizens. not tv people. and they're now facing the prospect of an onslaught of hate and threats from the maga gang. because in every way that you can think of, maga is a gang. like the crips or the bloods or the five families are, just with a different purpose. they keep everyone in line with threats. and the folks in the group are afraid to cross the leader.

hey, elected republicans. the leader takes stuff that doesn't belong to him. they defy law enforcement. they act in concert, sometimes to commit crimes. and yes, some of them are willing to choose violence. if i'm wrong, you got to tell me how. i'm joined by ben collins, nbc news senior reporter, neal katyal, professor of law, former acting solicitor general and msnbc legal analyst, and peter strzok, former fbi counterintelligence agent. peter, i want to start with you because you were in law enforcement. i thought about this the other day when i was reading the indictment, which is a fascinating read that gives a lot of detail about the lengths and pressure that was placed on public officials in georgia and out to try to force them to go along with this scheme to steal the election. it involved intimidation, it involved intimidation against election officials, it involved intimidation of brad raffensperger, the secretary of state. it was gang-like activity to me, but talk me down if you think

i'm wrong about characterizing the maga gang as a gang. >> i think you're absolutely right. what was so compelling about the indictment was the scope and how broad it was. walking through everything that went on trop the top at trump and all the efforts, whether it was trying to influence state officials, getting fake electors, breaking in to voting infrastructure, and all of the different people who went into doing it, all in looking at it like an enterprise, each of them connected in their own way as part of this, and absolutely, it is, when you look separately, not just the charges in the indictment, but the things that are coming around with it, it's absolutely like something you would see in the mob, people coming up saying that's a great restaurant you got. it would be a shame if something happened to that. you see time and time again, you have grand jurors who have been threatened. you have judge chutkan in d.c. who has been threatened. you have any number of people, gunmen, somebody who pulled a gun in utah after making a threat to president biden, somebody in texas under arrest for threatening judge chutkan. this isn't a potential of

violence. there's violence going on and it's going on because of the inflam tear rhetoric coming out of trump. >> ms-13 is based in the western united states, but it showed up in other countries. you could have gang activity that shows up in disparate places but they have the same end goal. in this case, the end goal is power for trump. >> these threats made against the grand jurors in georgia, against the court personnel, aren't just coming from georgia. georgia authorities can do everything in their power to investigate, but at some point if the threats are coming from texas, from the west coast, this is a federal issue too. and it's going to, i'm sad to promise you, it's going to get worse. >> i will note they have also threatened federal law enforcement and fbi age nls as well. ben, can you talk about the online part of this? you can guess when they start describing some of these sources of the, you know, explosion of this, some of the people that spread pizza gate and that kind of thing. you look at the dark web so wouldn't don't have to. how ugly is it getting?

>> if you're a juror, you're probably starting to fear for your life. if you're on this grand jury, that's what you're thinking. that's because there's a whole system set up called weaponizable data points. the guy who wrote the book called extremism, brought out when he said that when political candidates are looking for ways to advance their message but kind of run out of options, they go after specific people they think are weak. a really good example of this, weirdly enough, is in georgia. ruby freeman. back a couple years ago, i tried my damnedest to get her on the phone. i kept calling her because the word that kept coming into my head, very relevant to this discussion, is patsy. they tried to turn this poor old lady, basically, who had a mall kiosk store, that sold purses, by the way, into a patsy. and they sent one of their people, one of their

consiglieres after her. trying to get her to admit to a crime she did not do so they could create this whole established narrative that actually she is the stand-in for much larger election crime that actually did not happen. so what you see now is they're trying to do that to these jurors. they're trying to say, to scare them into compliance. and you will just hope after seeing, they have been seeing this evidence for months if not years now. you would have to hope that they would see this coming. that they would be next. and that's precisely what's happening. they're getting the same treatment that the people who are victims in this suit, they're getting that same treatment directed at them. >> let me play for you all so you understand what ben is talking about. this is ruby freeman actually calling 911 because first it's believe it or not a lutheran pastor who is one of the indicted people, one of the 18.

he's the first one to try to get to her. they call ruby freeman. you called her as a journalist. they were calling her over and over, back to back to back. couldn't get her on the phone. finally this pastor shows up at her door. she calls 911. here's that call. >> they keep saying time is running out and i'm going to need some representation. they are saying i need help. and they can help me. because they say they're coming after me. >> do you know who these people are? >> no, that's why i wanted the police to come. and go outside and talk with them with the police being there. i'm not talking now. >> and just to correct, this was after the pastor tried to get in touch with her, then goes back to his fellow gang members and essentially says, she doesn't want to talk to me because she's afraid to talk to a white man. you do it. so a gentleman who is another one of the indicted people, neal, to bring you in here, who is the head of black voices for trump, he gets involved.

he gets trivian coody, and he shows up, and that's why she's now calling 911. this is a classic, you know, basically intimidation campaign, neal. >> that's 100% right. and you know, the quiet dignity of ruby freeman in response to this thug-like behavior, you know, it's just -- it's very moving to me. i do think that as this case goes towards trial, that type of story is going to resonate in the minds of the jurors. it's one thing, we have talked about all sorts of big crimes trump and his henchmen committed like the fake electors plots and things like that, but this episode is such a powerful microcosm of what trump was doing. it's such a human story, anyone can wrap their mind around it. so i do suspect that it will play a big role in the trial to come. >> to stay with you for a moment, because the other thing about it is, back in the mob days you get this sense that like the public officials feared

them as well, and sometimes played ball. donald trump and his team attempting to get a 2026 trial date in response to the government saying let's get this trial done in january, you're starting to laugh because i think you're going to say it's laughable. is that in any way a reasonable difference between the request of the government and the request of the defendant, neal? >> i mean, laughable gives it so much credit, joy. i don't actually have adjectives in my vocabulary, at least not ones i can say on television. just to be clear, this is the trump has moved for the delay of the trial date in washington, d.c. for the january 6th crimes, the jack smith prosecution. so this is not about the georgia indictment, but about the federal indictment. and look, i mean, trump has literally filed a document just moments ago saying april 2026 is when he wants that trial to start. i never in my 20-plus years of

practicing law seen a request anything like that, and i'll eat my hat if judge chutkan accepts it, because look, justice delays is justice denied. to me, the key thing about this episode, joy, is what does this filing, april 2026, tell us about donald trump's view of the merits of the case against him? because look, if you're innocent, if you are you or me and we're accused of launching a coup and subverting democracy and launching january 6th, you would want this trial right away. you would want to clear your name, but not this guy. this guy is scared of going to trial. he talks all the bluster he wants outside of the courtroom, but he is terrified of actually being in a courtroom, and when he is in one, he clams up. so to me, this is just further indicia of his own consciousness of guilt. he's entitled to make these filings. but i think it tells us a lot about his own state of mind. >> he's like, let's have the

trial in the month of neverty. let's do it then. let me come back to the mob mf like behavior. this is to me the most mafioso like moments. this is donald trump doing the crime on tape and calling raffensperger and essentially threatening him and saying go along with my scheme or else. >> look, all i want to do is this, where just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state. >> he goes on to say, you know, if you don't do it, you might be committing a rhyme. it's mob behavior. >> it's not, hey, i think there's a problem here. when you lay out someone is facing potential threats because of not doing something, it absolutely is a threat to do something. that's what's so important about the threats right now going out to the grand jurors. part of that is retribution,

part of that is people trying to get back at them, but a bigger issue is that's intended to send a message, because there are going to be jurors in the criminal trials, in fulton county, in washington, d.c., down in florida, and those jurors will have watched all of this going on, and to have them on edge, to have them worried about their safety, to have them worried about doing their job. this isn't about just getting back at the team who sit on the grand jury, this is a message for all these future trials and those people who get selected for jury duty, they're going to come after you too. >> and witnesses. if we have seen the doxing of the grand jurors in georgia, if you're going to be a witness, if you then get that notice to be a witness in any of these trials, now you have to fear that you wind up on whatever elon musk is calling his silly twitter machine or on truth social, and you're getting threatened the same way these grand jurors are. >> yeah, and sometimes, by the way, the rolling terror of the last few years will have you

legitimately start to fear that, like the guy who shot up the fbi office or the white nationalist murders over the last few years where sometimes they cite trump, sometimes they say trump's not going far enough, that sort of thing. i want to stress this. when you're on these forums all day, they care about two things. one thing which is getting donald trump elected and going after all his enemies. that's why ron desantis' poll numbers amongst the republican base dipped about 50%. that's not a miracle, not magic. it's because donald trump's people viewed him as a threat and pushed him down to totem pole, even though they agree on almost everything. they pushed him off because it's a cult of personality around that one guy. and then hatred of trans people. those are the two things that matter right now on trump message boards. that's it. there's no other thing. so if they find a way, if they find a new character every day to go after, if they dig into the life stories of these jurors which they will, by the way, they will absolutely do that, that allows them new content in

that space. this fun little qanon style mission on a day to day basis, but it really functions as a campaign message to go after these people as well. >> neal, donald trump has been told at least in the january 6th federal case that he is not to disclose information deemed sensitive including witness information. but he's allowed to do whatever he wants at this point and say whatever he wants about the judge in the georgia case who just has been assigned, about the d.a. fani willis, and at some point do the threats against the people involved in his case in some way redound back to him and is he legally liable in any way for them? >> he can be. there's a distinction about what he says about the judge and criticism of the judge, there are some ethical prohibitions against that and rules of the court, but that's a different matter than when you're trying to intimidate witnesses or jurors or grand jurors, that the

law takes a very stern eye toward, and you can be thrown in jail, just for that. and trump is already coming really close to the line. and we'll see if this is just -- if there is a way to have him shut up on this stuff or if it's going to take some stern measures from the judge. if he continues this behavior, it would not surprise me to have him called before both of these judges that you mentioned and to explain himself. >> we may find out because if he decides to throw a cute little press conference when he turns himself in and do his show, all hell could break loose. we'll see what happens. ben, neal, peter, thank you all very much. up next on "the reidout," polls show the majority of americans think trump actually is in some legal trouble. some serious legal trouble. but don't try telling his allies in washington that. they still think he's as innocent as a fly on mike pence's hair. "the reidout" continues after this.

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even full-time wokeness fightser has been showing trump's rage. out lining a strategy for next week's debate, allies of the governor of the state where leprosy has returned urged him to defend trump if he's not there against attacks from chris christie and go on an attack against vivek ramaswami. joining me now is charlie sykes, msnbc contributor at editor at large of the bulwark. give me your evaluation, desantis' strategy is now defend trump. >> real man of political genius. you're running against a guy who has just been indicted for the fourth time, facing 90 criminal felony charges and you're behind 39 points in the polls. you need a breakout if you're going to win the nomination, and what do they come up with? defend donald trump and attack vivek.

i mean, i don't know whether this is a slow rolling surrender on ron desantis' part or whether he's just sort of trapped in his loop of knowing he has to keep pandering to what he thinks the base wants. he's got this memo, you attack the media, attack joe biden. you spend like two seconds talking about your vision for the future. and then you defend donald trump against chris christie's attacks because that will accomplish what? it is interesting hearing the reaction among even some of his fans who are going, you know, why are you wasting our time and our money? if that is your big strategy to beat donald trump, is to go out on the stage here in milwaukee, the first big debate, and what is your mission? attack vivek ramaswami and defend donald trump. >> sort of the theory of the case is they're all running now to take down desantis. so they're going to attack him, probably, because none of them

are running against trump. if they did a show of hands, who likes trump, they're going to go, me, except for maybe chris christie. but at this point, do you think trump shows up? because he doesn't have to. he doesn't need to show up at all. >> no, i never thought he was going to show up. he's so far ahead in the polls. plus, i frankly think he's afraid to be on the stage with chris christie. no, i don't think he's going to show up. and why does he need to show up now? ron desantis is going to carry water for him, if his number one rival is going to defend him, what is the point? it's not like he needs to show up to get attention because he's going to be dominating the news cycle next week when he does his purp walk and gets his mugshot, so it's not like he's not going to get a lot of publicity. but the one thing that i do think, and this, i am tempted to stick with a clownishness of this, but you would hope,

especially listening, i was thinking about this listening to your last segment. you would hope at least one or two of those republican candidates would do the bare minimum and say hey, at this dangerous moment in american history, we all ought to lower the temperature of our rhetoric, including the former president, because this is dangerous. this is not theoretical. we have seen it over and over again. churches in charleston, synagogues in pittsburgh, stores in el paso, grocery stores in buffalo. attacks on fbi offices, pipe bombs sent to journalists. you had the maga extremist who was killed by the fbi in utah. i'm just scratching the surface here. this is really a dangerous moment. and donald trump is flicking matches at a bonfire already covered in kerosene, and not one of the other republicans is calling on him to tone it down with the exception of chris christie. >> and the thing is that some of

them also are lawyers. some of them are supposed to respect sort of the law. i mean, desantis is a harvard trained lawyer, but at this point, he's just trump's lawyer. let's talk a little bit about sort of some of the other kind of atmospherics, i should say, of this. a majority of americans, and we can go through four or five polls, believe trump did commit a crime, he should be prosecuted. this is now a majority consensus among everybody except republicans. it's not as if donald trump is becoming more esteemed among the general public as he runs for president more. it's not as if he's raising money to even become president. a third of the money he's raising is going right to his legal fees. he's taking the money of working class people giving him money and paying for lawyers when he's supposedly rich. at this point, just the whole atmospherics of this race are a grifter robbing working class americans and then telling them to go out and fight like hell and some of them are getting

violent. i don't understand how the party is accepting of that, but they are. >> a rational political party would look at this, would look at those numbers, look at the situation and realize, we need to move on from this. you know, these polls would suggest that an overwhelming majority of american voters are done with donald trump. 64% say they will definitely or probably not vote for him. what part of that don't they understand? also, the polls are showing when you dig down in them, that even among republicans, a relatively small number of republicans believe donald trump when he says i did nothing wrong. they're willing to say he did something wrong, maybe not felonious, but the number of americans who believe that donald trump is an innocent man is vanishingly small. so here you have the republican party looking at all of this, looking at all of the cases against him, all of the trials, all of the felonies and saying we're okay with that. we're going to spend 2024 doing

that. and the only explanation, i wrote about this this morning, the continuation of this magical thinking that something, something, something unicorn maybe a deadly big mac will solve the problem for him, because very clearly, they don't want to do it themselves. they want the indictments to take care of the problem, but they're not willing to actually take any of the affirmative steps that a normal political candidate would do who wants to win an election. >> on top of that, many of them are running saying their administration will be dedicated toward creating an exoneration of donald trump at the justice department, firing anyone who ever offends or prosecuted him, and abolish and somehow expunge his multiple impeachments. what a country, what a world, what a party. charlie sykes, thank you, my friend. still ahead, we're diving into the hauntding effects of wiping out roe v. wade after a federal appeals court ruling in

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report, a 13-year-old girl was forced to give birth after getting raped and impregnated by a stranger who attacked her outside her home. despite the state's so-called exceptions for rape which require a police report, the girl was unable to get an abortion. "time" magazine used ashley as the pseudonym for the girl who is caught in the teeth of the abortion ban america where the procedure is illegal across much of the south. ashley's mom whose pseudonym in the piece is regina said her daughter used to love going outside to make dance clips for her tiktok account. suddenly, she refused to leave her room and stop speaking. when she turned 13, she wasn't in the mood to celebrate. she just said to her mother, it hurts. despite after dobbs, the closest provider because of the disaperns of abortion care after dobbs, the closest clinic was in chicago. a nine-hour drive by car, too

far and too expensive to make the trip. regina said she simply didn't have the money or time off work. ashley was terrified about going into labor. her son, nicknamed peanut, is now a few weeks old. any day now, his mother by government mandate, who is young enough to be his big sister, will start seventh grade. joining me is shannon brewer, she's the former director of mississippi's jackson women's health organization. the clinic at the center of the dobbs case. thank you, thank you, thank you, shannon brewer. you're the one person i really wanted to talk to about this case. thank you for saying yes. let's talk about this little girl. that's the reality now for little girls all across your former state. what are your thoughts? >> my thoughts actually is this is exactly what we have been telling everybody is going to happen. this is going to happen a lot

more, probably has already happened. we're just hearing about this one. this is what we were telling everybody when they were saying that they had these exceptions for rape and yet there are no doctors or physicians or anyone in the state to see these people when they have been raped. so this is exactly what we expected to happen. and we're going to see this a lot more. >> you can say there are exceptions but then you're like, there needs to be a police report filed in a certain amount of time. it was ten weeks later before she told her mom. this is a terrified little girl. i was terrified before giving birth. this is a child, and these states, and if you look at just the map, to drive to get an abortion, you have to drive through four or five, six states, drive all the way to chicago. it's like the great migration, in order to get an abortion. and a lot of people can't afford to make that trip. how is that impacting where you are now? you are now in a free state, but

i'm sure you also have people protesting and violently sometimes maybe outside of your clinic. so you have the violence when you get there and the protests and the drive. >> yeah, we definitely have -- we still have protesters. but more importantly, what we have is we still have people that are calling who are needing services and they don't know how to get there, they don't have access. they don't have funds. and we're just -- we spend all of our time mostly directing patients on the closest clinic they can go to, and different funding places that can help them. we're having for the last year, this is what we have been doing. we have women calling still from mississippi, alabama, everywhere, and these are women who have never left the state before. so you think of a grown woman who can't even figure out how she's going to get to a clinic

or what seas going to do, and then to think of a 13 -- she was actually 12 when she got pregnant, that little girl. to think of that is just -- it does something to me because for her parents to not have that choice to make and to be forced for her to be forced to give birth is devastating actually. >> in a state where they're giving money that's intended for people who are indigent to brett favre instead of to families like hers. so it's not a great state when it comes to maternal health care or helping people in need. how will the mifepristone situation affect you in a state like new mexico if it goes the wrong way? the fifth circuit has sided with judge kacsmaryk in texas restricting some ways mifepristone. it's still legal. if that goes too, then what? >> if that goes too, we have a bigger problem because that's

going to affect a lot of women, a lot of these states that are sending pills like mailing in the mail, the telemedicine, it's going to affect more states. it's going to affect some of the states that are supposedly safe as they call them. i truly don't believe that any state is safe because at any time they can pass something that will wipe that state out. so there is no such thing as a safe state. and if they -- with this mifepristone, it's just going to make it more difficult for women. they just keep constantly trying to make it go away, but the problem is not going away. the high mortality rate is not going away. those things are not going away. actually, that's going to make it even higher. >> and what's also not going away is republicans' determination to take this horror in mississippi and make it national with a national abortion ban. that's what they want. shannon brewer, thank you so much.

really appreciate you. god bless. and coming up next, the horrific aftermath of maui's wildfire, the deadliest in modern american history. the death toll continues to rise as calls grow for an investigation into the disaster. that is next on "the reidout."

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>> so many people have died. my friends lost their grandparents in the fires. people are being found in their cars. >> where were you guys? where were you guys to try to get us out? evacuate us. no. we're mad. we're mad. no, we didn't just lose our homes. we lost our town. >> there are so many questions as recovery teams with cadaver dogs continue the painstaking work of combing through burned debris. maui's wildfires are among the deadliest on record in the united states. the death toll continues to climb with 111 dead and 1,000 still unaccounted for. many more made homeless and struggling to figure out what comes next as the majority of western maui is just gone. a security camera at the maui bird conservation center captured the moment when a tree toppled on an electric cable, sparking a fire. ten sensors reported a significant incident in hawaii's

electric grid, according to data from whisker labs. the fire was the first reported, and adds evidence that hawaii electric equipment sparked multiple fires. experts believe the fire was fueled by increasing drought and hurricane strength winds that can be attributed to the to perform a comprehensive review of what happened. the maui county prosecutor told the honolulu star advertiser that he was not currently launching a criminal investigation. a spokesperson for the states largest utility company told nbc news that the cause of the fire has not been determined, and we will work with state and county as they conduct their review. i'm joined by bobby lee, president of the hawaii firefighters association. i know you're in how honolulu, but you were in maui. please describe what you saw. >> yes, thank you for having me. it's pretty horrific event. you are looking at three major

fires that cause the majority of the damage, none of them yet fully extinguished. they are still dealing with hotspots for all three of their fires. of course lahaina is the one everyone is focusing on now. the majority of, it's obvious victims have been found and a lot of the work now has been concentrated on victims that may not be as obvious because of, when you look at the decimated homes and buildings that are there, i know fema is bringing in more resources. they are bringing in more cadaver dogs to help go through, to sift through the rubble and ash that remains and the search and recovery efforts are just continuing. for us we are also concentrating our firefighters who went through this od ordeal. they not only protect this

community, they are part of the community. these aren't blank faces. these are friends, family that are missing, still missing, and so we are concentrating on focusing on being prepared for emotional and mental support for our firefighters. >> president biden is going to be coming to the island on monday. what do you want to see from the federal government? >> i'm pleased at this point for what the federal government has done. fema, once the president signed the emergency declaration, femur just stepped it up and they started bringing in a lot of resources, necessary resources that we need to deal with a catastrophe like this. i am happy with what fema and the federal government is doing, and we are just looking for, again, continued support for

the tragedy that happened here. >> we have heard stories of people trying to take advantage of the situation, developers where essentially coming in and trying to scoop up land and take advantage of people. have you seen evidence of that, and how does that get prevented? >> i have not seen evidence. i have heard of it happening. i understand the governor stepped in really quick and said we're not going to allow it to happen. if you understand hawaiian culture, we don't just abandoned what we have. when things go wrong we come together and we help each other to rebuild. that's why the outpouring of donations here have been so great, that government has asked people to stop right now because everyone is helping, wants to help, to bring in resources. i don't see people in lahaina or anyplace else on this island just wanting to sell their property because of what happened. we stick together and we're

going to rebuild. >> vulture capitalism is a bad thing everywhere, and we don't want to see that happen in hawaii. it's has had enough history in hawaii, as i'm sure you know better than i. last question, whether should people come or not? the coming seems exploitative but not coming hurts tourism, a source of tourism for half of hawaiians. in your view, come, or don't come? >> i think you still have the rest of the state that is open. all the other islands have good things to provide the tourists that want to come. i think maui right now is not really the place to come into this point in time because of the cleanup efforts. but hawaii is still a very nice place with rich history and a lot of nice people in this culture. so i would welcome people to come but just respect the problems that are going on in maui at this time. >> now is a place in hawaii that i have been at such a

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