tv Chris Jansing Reports MSNBC August 18, 2023 11:00am-12:01pm PDT
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we likely will see this as an annual covid shot just like the flu shot. >> reporter: just in time for fall when we'll also face rsv. >> reporter: can you the flu shot, rsv and covid all at once? rsv is only available for older adults. talk to your doctor about what's right for you. >> reporter: anne thompson, nbc news. we have a lot to cover in our second hour of "chris jansing reports." let's get right to it. at this hour, hawaii hiring an independent investigator as outrage grows over the state's wildfire response. 111 people now confirmed dead. 1,300 still missing. could more lives have been saved? is he take the advice of his lawyers? former president donald trump calling off his press conference
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and all promises of that irrefutable evidence in a report on election fraud in georgia. we're on the trail with chris christie, the republican presidential candidate says he's leading a truth movement to be an alternative to trump. plus, hunter biden's tax charges dismissed, at least for now. the latest in the saga over the president's son and the plea deal that fell apart. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments. we start in lahaina, where there are still more questions than answers, and a new investigator has been brought in to find them. nbc's dana griffin just arrived there. dana, this investigator comes as the island's top emergency official resigned. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: yeah, so a day before herman andaya resigned, which was on tuesday, he faced some tough questions from reporters. listen to what he told them. >> do you regret not sounding
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the sirens? >> i do not. had we sounded the siren that night, we're afraid that people would have gone into the fire. i should also note that there are no sirens on the mountain side, where the fire was spreading down. so even if we sounded the sirens, it would not have saved those people on the mountain side. >> reporter: so you've got a lot of mounting criticism for that statement because residents here, people who are still missing loved ones say if you would have sounded those alarms it would have woke up our elderly grandparents, because a lot of people didn't have cell phones on or tv or radio. they would have at least stepped outside their home. they wouldn't have gone toward the mountainside, toward the fire, they would have known to escape. so we have reached out to him, nbc news has. we have yet to hear back. andaya is citing health concerns but this could be part of the independent investigation.
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the attorney general said she wanted a third-party investigator, and i want to quote her here, she says, an independent review will ensure that all aspects of the incident, including any potential shortcomings in preparation, response and communication are thoroughly examined, and that's what a lot of people here in lahaina want. they want accountability, and you could potentially see other leaders, possibly either resigning or being called to the table about some of the decisions that were made that day. investigators and search and rescue crews are behind us down here in lahaina, searching for the missing, which could be as high as 1,300. the death toll still stands at 111. >> dana griffin, thank you for that. now to former president trump's decision to cancel the big press conference he had planned for monday. nbc's ken dilanian is following that. and also, this push to have one of his trials delayed until 2026. what can you tell us, ken? >> chris, it appears to be a rare instance of donald trump
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taking the legal advice that his lawyers are giving to him. no doubt they told him that it would be absolutely insane for him to get up in public and discuss what he calls irrefutable and overwhelming evidence of fraud in georgia, but which most people who have looked at the evidence say doesn't exist, because if he did that, the prosecutor in fulton county, and perhaps jack smith in washington would argue that these are overt acts in furtherance of the very conspiracies that they have charged him with. they have charged him with lying about fraud and taking other action to perpetrate the fraud. what his lawyers are saying to do is to put the information in filings. it will be interesting to see exactly what they do file and as for the argument over when the d.c. trial on this election suppression, conspiracy alleged takes place. as you know, jack smith asked for a january date. donald trump's lawyers are asking for a date in april of 2026. neither side is probably going
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to get exactly what they want, but most legal experts say six months to a year is reasonable, and even notable legal expert, former attorney general bill barr weighed in on this matter. take a listen to what he had to say. >> you don't get immunity for two years in the runup to an election just by saying, hey, i'm a candidate. these investigations have been going on for a while. everyone knew about them, even before he announced his candidacy. so if there's a chance to get it resolved before the election, it should be. >> he's making a key point there, chris, even though the prosecution is turning over 11 1/2 million documents, an enormous amount of discovery, the january 6th committee made a lot of this evidence public already. donald trump and his lawyers have been on notice about this conduct for many many months, and no doubt the judge is going to take that into account, chris. >> ken dilanian, thank you. republican presidential candidate chris christie took his campaign on the road today to the home state of donald
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trump and ron desantis. nbc's shaquille brewster is in miami, so chris christie never shy with words, what did he have to say? >> reporter: that's right, chris. well, his main message was that in order for republicans to defeat joe biden next november, they need to start by taking down donald trump in this primary. i'll say he was addressing a group of skeptical, but open-minded voters. a lot of independents and some democrats in that room. his main message was to republicans saying that it's time to move past donald trump and leave him behind and that the other candidates in the race, in his words, aren't willing to confront the front runner right now, who if you look at polling, he continues to expand that lead. to that point, we got a sense of the debate stage messaging that we'll hear from chris christie next week. listen to a little bit of how he put that, and how he framed that argument. >> and i don't understand your
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governor. i don't. and i don't understand donald trump and his approach. i don't get it. they want to put more power in the hands of government. that's not what conservatives have stood for my whole life, not what republicans have stood for my whole life. >> reporter: so you hear him trying to argue that he is the real conservative in this race. the problem for him, chris, is that when you look at polling, republicans just don't like him. 6 in 10 republicans in at least two national polls said they view him unfavorably. he's trying to make these arguments. now is the time to confront the front runner of the republican primary right now, but it's an open question in terms of how many people are listening and if that message will connect with the people who need to vote for him in this primary, chris. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. go get lunch. everybody behind you is already. appreciate it.
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nbc's tom winter is following the hunter biden investigation, meantime, tell us about these charges. i guess they are being dropped now, but maybe not for good? >> well, that's exactly right, chris, and this is something that was largely anticipated. you and i kind of foreshadowed this in speaking earlier this week. the judge dismissing formally the two misdemeanor tax charges facing the son of the president of the united states, hunter biden. the reason for that is that prosecutors wanted them dismissed. they said, look, we have to have a venue, we have to have a reason to have these in federal court in delaware, and we don't have them. that's something they need to prove if they're going to bring this case. it wasn't going to be a problem. when they had a plea agreement, it wasn't going to matter. but once that dissolved, then they had to address those concerns and they have indicated in their filings, they might seek to bring charges in other districts, and now that the federal prosecutor in delaware is a special counsel in this case, david weiss, he'll have the ability to bring those charges in any district that he
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feels he does have venue and can bring them in. that may include the same two misdemeanor charges that he tried to bring or have a plea agreement on, rather, in this particular case. it could also be other charges and perhaps either charges that are not as serious or charges that could be more serious. so we'll just have to wait and see what happens. as far as the plea diversion agreement, involving the possession of a gun, that has not been resolved yet, chris, and it's possible that by the end of the day today, we could hear from the judge. she might schedule a hearing to hear the points of the debate on that. we'll just have to follow it and see where it goes from here. >> tom winter, thank you so much. an historic first, president biden hosting a trilateral summit with leaders from japan and south korea, amid rising tensions in the region. what we can expect at that press conference, now set to begin in less than an hour. we'll head to camp david in 60 seconds. s.
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right now, we're keeping a close watch on camp david. it's the historic backdrop for president biden's first ever trilateral summit with the leaders of japan and south korea who face increasing tensions in the region, including china's growing ambitions, and alarming new missile threats from north korea with purported help from russia. a press conference is scheduled to begin at the top of the hour where the president is sure to highlight a key foreign policy, he achieved ahead of the meeting, a potentially game changing new security pledge between the three countries. nbc news senior white house correspondent kelly o'donnell is at camp david. we're also joined by nbc national security and global securities dan de luce, and "washington post" columnist, david ignatius. kelly, what is key on today's agenda, and what more can you
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tell us about this joint agreement. >> reporter: first of all, the fact that we're at camp david is part of the significance here. this is the first time president biden is hosting world leaders at camp david, the long time presidential retreat. this is rare and over u.s. history, there have been pivotal times that presidents have used this place and the setting to try to work diplomacy, and that is certainly true for president biden today. part of what we will see is by hosting japan and south korea, two countries the u.s. has had a long, strong, individual relationship with. but what today really signifies and the first time they're having a stand alone, three-way meeting, it's not attached to another summit. it shows there's been a lot of progress in the background work that japan and south korea have done together about their own relationship which has been frayed and stressful over many decades. so it's a new time. on that security agreement, part of what they're talking about is they're not characterizing it as a duplication of sort of the nato agreement that we have heard so much about during the
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period of the war in ukraine where a threat against one nation would cause others to come to their defense. but something close to that. it's a new type of consultation that they are agreeing to. so they will speak about any emergencies. there's an implied expression of defense of the others. it just doesn't go quite as far as nato. it is significant, especially when you consider who is in the neighborhood for japan and south korea. that is north korea and china. both south korea and japan have strong economic relationships with china. so does the u.s. we have seen how china has been more aggressive militarily, and is certainly trying to flex its power economically. so today is significant on many levels. a legacy item for all of these leaders as well as a practical change in the indo-pacific region where they're trying to show strength and unity, and one of the sort of practical things is they're talking about having the latest technology that could connect the three leaders with what you would call a hot phone
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where they can speak to each other very quickly, especially when there are moments of emergency where minutes and seconds could possibly make a difference, and typically leader level calls as you well know, chris, have lots of bureaucrcy attached. this would be a way to speed that process, outwardly a sign of the bond forming here. there have been a lot of meetings. we expect the news conference to begin in the next hour, and certainly it's about establishing strength in a region that is very vulnerable right now. chris. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you for that. so david, there are, you know, symbolic significances to this, it's the first time he's had a foreign leader at camp david, and camp david itself of course the site of so many important diplomatic events between israelis and palestinians, israel and egypt, but on this substantiative level that kelly was just addressing, how important is what we're
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seeing today? >> in foreign policy terms, chris, this is a big deal. china has been growing danger for everybody in the region. japan and south korea have been great allies for the united states for many years but have had deep disagreements between each other, and they've over the last several years managed to begin to talk and share ideas, share intelligence, and this trilateral summit symbolizes that three-way, i want to say partnership. there will be intelligence sharing. there will be as kelly said, not a nato like formal commitment to each other's defense, but there will be regular military exercises, drilling for ballistic missile attacks that could come from north korea or even from china. so in terms of the u.s. security interests in asia, having a platform of partnerships, alliances that can protect u.s. interests and protect our friends in the region, this is
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going to make a difference. took a lot of work by the biden team, president biden himself has been interested in this since he was vice president. his national security adviser jake sullivan, tony blinken, secretary of state have worked on this in great detail. today is the day when it comes together and really symbolically important place that reminds us of the camp david peace agreements, other fundamental moments in u.s. foreign policy. >> for folks wondering what they were seeing in the pictures, that's a camera guy letting the other camera guys balance their colors. having said that, dan, let's go back to the substance here. these reports that russia has supplied north korea with a new missile that could evade defense and hit multiple american targets, which would be a violation of security. tell us more about that. >> it's saying a new icbm that north korea tested last month appears to be using russia
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technology, so they seem to have gotten russian assistance to make this missile more advanced. it's a solid fuel missile and also ha technology on it that makes it able to evade u.s. defenses, so another reminder of north korea's growing missile arsenal, and nuclear weapons program, and it underlines the concern that it's driving these three countries together, a concern really for korea and japan in particular. as david was mentioning, and kelly, there's going to be intelligence sharing to try to get ahead of the missile threat from north korea in particular, and also the potential threat from china's massive missile arsenal. >> as the three leaders stand and they're united and sending a message to north korea, could it have any impact on travis king, the american being held after bolting over the dnc?
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>> i would be surprising if it had any immediate positive effect. the effect is more likely a dramatic demonstration by kim jong un over the coming weeks or months of his defiance. there are concerns that north korea may, again, test nuclear weapons. they have regularly fired missiles that with trajectories that take the missiles over japan. so i think positive north korean responses are unlikely. i think the more interesting question is how china will react. from china's standpoint, this is just about the worst thing that could happen. south korea and japan, two key regional powers, two key allies of the united states are coming together in this three-way partnership, and if you're china, you have to worry about your own, the situation in the military balance. the u.s. is in effect, providing a nuclear umbrella for south korea and japan. we're not saying that explicitly
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as with nato, everybody understands that's what this means. if you're china, you have to take note. >> let me ask you in our closing minutes about something you wrote in your most recent column. president biden and secretary of state antony blinken are building a foreign policy framework to last. tell us more about that, david. >> so, chris, i was trying to write about the dilemma that this administration has. we all know we're in a political whirlwind right now, the leading republican candidate has been indicted four times. who can say what's ahead, and our allies around the world. south korea, japan, everywhere in europe wonder what's ahead for the united states. i think this administration is trying to build some things, some structural things that will last into the future to reassure people, no matter what happens in this topsyturvy election period that's ahead, there's some fundamentals of u.s. foreign policy that have bipartisan support, that will be based in relationships, alliances that ought to ensure.
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i think that's important. i think it's reassuring to our friends and allies. i think it's good basic foreign policy. i'm glad they're doing it. today is a big day in that. >> david ignatius, dan de luce, thank you, gentlemen, much appreciated. just in the last hour, new reporting that suggests former president trump is saying thanks, but no thanks to next week's presidential debate. is that a smart political move? but first, a birthday full of love. butterflies and lots of sweets. former first lady rosalynn carter, turning 96 today, at their georgia home, marking it with her long time president. mr. carter has been diagnosed with dementia, and the former president is nearing 99 remaining at home in hospice care. they are mostly keeping things quiet, but they add she does plan to eat cupcakes and ice cream, peanut butter flavored of course, and she also will be
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quote, haven't confirmed anything on their end. well, as we wait to see what happens, a prominent republican strategist is warning that a decision to skip the debate may come back to haunt trump. take a listen to karl rove. >> if he doesn't show up there are going to be people to say to themselves, didn't he tell us, didn't he mock joe biden for not debating, and hasn't he said he's the world's greatest debater. maybe there's something he won't want to talk about, and doubts will begin to grow. doubts are growing. >> at the same time, the candidate with arguably the most to win over lose at the debate, ron desantis, denies even knowing about a debate strategy memo that suggests, among other things, that he hammer away at vivek ramaswamy and that he should quote, invoke a personal anecdote story about family, kids, casey, showing emotion, a nod to his reputation for chilly
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awkwardness. let's ask tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 campaign, a writer at large for the bulwark and an msnbc political analyst. i wonder what you make of this times reporting if he's going to stay away from the debate, go talk to tucker, and is karl rove right, it's going to make him look like a chicken? >> i wish. i mean, look, i hate to say this, i wish karl rove is right, but this guy has been wrong for nine years, maybe longer. he's wishing for a party that doesn't exist anymore. like he's wishing that things are back in the days of rove. the republican voters aren't going to think donald trump is scared for not going to the debate. they agree with donald trump, why should he debate, he's winning by 40, 50 points. every week his poll numbers go up american voters, every indictment his polls go up. he didn't show up to the first
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debate in 2016. like, this is all just karl rove wish casting that has nothing to do with reality, and i never expected him to show up to the debate, and i i think the only reason that he ever will is out of pure narcissism if he decided he can't get enough of the spotlight. that's why he's going to test out this tucker strategy. if he's unhappy with the amount of attention he gets, like a child, he might try to get attention at a future debate, but certainly not, i don't see any reason he would do this one. >> the word people used a lot when that he talked about him not showing up was counter program. how strong of a counter programming move is this? i mean, are millions of people going to watch tucker carlson instead of the debate? >> i think it's a weak one, to be honest, as a comparison to the other alternativings. people are out there saying, he should go get arraigns that day. that would certainly be counter programming. it's arguable whether it's a good counter programming to get a mug shot the day the others
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are debating. that would have dominated the coverage, for example. there will be discussion of the tucker carlson debate. that move seems like the path of least resistance. they have a beef with fox. donald trump doesn't think fox is nice enough to him believe it or not. tucker carlson was obviously fired. >> then you have that new desantis debate memo. yesterday former republican congresswoman barbara comstock predicted if the governor did follow the advice, it could be the beginning of the end for his campaign. i want to play a little bit of what she said. >> you can see why ron desantis is sinking like a stone. and if you're going to take on the front runner, take on the front runner. taking on vivek ramaswamy is not going to get you into first place. i mean, put a fork in ron desantis. if he wasn't already done, this
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memo is going to do him in. >> what's your take on that memo, and what does desantis need to do on wednesday? >> yeah, barbara comstock has her finger on the pulse of the reality of what's happening in the republican primary. kudos to her, i'm a big fan of hers. usually i would say this is inside baseball. campaigns make mistakes. you know it, you were there. this one is just so embarrassing. and it comes at such a terrible time. he was already sinking like a stone as barbara comstock said. now he has the super pac, these republican consultants, these elites, these big money donors, telling him what to do, talking to him like a baby, you know, giving him fake nicknames to try on with vivek, telling him he should shy away from trump. it makes him look so small.
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this is one of the process stories that i think speaks to a larger rob in his campaign, and i think it was an absolutely massive bungle. >> tim miller, i don't know if i'm supposed to say this on tv, don't get mad at me, is there somebody in your family starting school? >> started kindergarten yesterday. everybody's trying to make me cry on tv. >> i won't do it, congratulations, she's going to be great. thank you, tim. we have breaking news on the former president's legal battle with writer e. jean carroll. a judge ruled trump filed a frivolous appeal of the decision tied to carroll's claim that he raped her. the judge denied trump's bid to put the case against him on hold. this means as of now, e. jean carroll's second defamation trial against trump will start on january 15th, 2024, which happens to be the same day as the iowa republican caucus. a florida man who attacked officers with a flag pole on
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in mississippi, a shocking turn in the attempted murder trial of two white men, accused of chasing and shooting at a black fedex driver. the judge declaring a mistrial after an unexpected admission by police. nbc's jesse kirsch has details. >> reporter: outrage in mississippi, a judge declaring a mistrial in the case of two white men accused of trying to murder demontario gibson, a black fedex driver who had just made a delivery. >> the court has no choice but to grant the motion for a mistrial. >> gibson's mother escorted from court after judge david strong's ruling, a day after a police officer admitted to withholding
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evidence. brookhaven police detective vincent fernando saying under oath that authorities had taken a video taped statement from gibson but did not share it with either the defense or prosecution as was required. >> the failure to turn over matters in discovery is just something that can't be ignored. in 17 years, i don't think i've ever seen it happen. but it happened here. >> a mistrial is a major hiccup for the prosecution, but all in all, a second trial really zaps the resources of the defense more than the state. >> reporter: brookhaven police have not responded to nbc news's request for comment. gibson says in january of 2022, he made a delivery in his fed ux uniform, when gregory case and his son brandon allegedly chased and shot at him. gregory case's attorney says his client only planned to ask the driver what was happening outside his mother-in-law's home. but the driver did not stop. gibson believes he was chased
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because he's black. in a statement, gibson's attorney calling the mistrial a delay in justice, calling on the department of justice to investigate the brookhaven police department. jesse kirsch, nbc news. >> for more, i want to bring in veteran prosecutor, paul henderson, it's always good to see you, paul. jesse talked about the outrage people felt when this mistrial was declared. is that an appropriate response, and did, honestly, the judge have any choice here? >> you know, he didn't. this is an outrageous case that should not have happened and unfolded this way, and the judge did not have any other option other than to declare a mistrial in a case like this. one of the interesting things about this case is now it has to go back through pretrial. it has to go back through a discovery. they have to pick an entirely new jury. and just so we're clear, because it was declared a mistrial, there is no issue of double
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jeopardy, but there is an unnecessary delay because of the police conduct in this case, and justice delayed is justice denied. it's ridiculous. this is exactly why the victim in this case is calling on the doj to do an investigation both for a pattern and practice from the police department, and in the possible hate crime allegations for the charges for the case on hand. the case that we're talking about, it couldn't be more black and white, pun intended. in terms of what's happened in this case and how we got here in the first place. >> what did happen? because anybody who watches a legal procedural on tv will tell you that that had to be turned over. >> it had to be turned over. the police conduct in this case is really outrageous, and it's not just that they failed to turn over the video testimony of the actual victim but on top of
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that, they also failed to turn over the gun evidence from the defendants that are charged in this case as well. this is a year and a half after the incident took place, and that's got to be at the core of the prosecution's evidence that they would want to use that never got turned over from the police department. i think it's really ridiculous, it's not lost on me. a little bit of investigation into the town, and this is a town that is over 55% black. 75% of the arrests are black, though, and in this case, there's no civilian oversight. i'm really concerned about what the accountability will be not just for this case, but for the behavior of law enforcement and that inspector that messed up this case, that led to this mistrial in the first place, chris. >> we're going to continue to follow that. but there's also a new development in the tyre nichols case of the black man who died a few days after he was pulled over and beaten by officers in memphis. the d.a. in tennessee has now had to drop more than 30 cases
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that those same officers were involved in, and he said in a statement, the primary consideration is concern about the credibility as witnesses of discharged officers. what's the message here? >> well, the message here is this is something that frequently happens when an officer gets charged, and that evidence is brady evidence, so that information, when an officer gets charged has to be turned over and if as a prosecutor you can't prove your cases without that officer, you have to dismiss those cases because you have to turn over both information that could be used to impeach your evidence and information that could be exculpatory for the defense, and so this is a common practice, and it's not contingent on a final verdict for a trial. it triggers charging from the prosecution, when a prosecutor believes that an individual committed the crime and that they could prove the case. that's the charging, that's the trigger.
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mortgage rates have now risen to their highest level in more than 20 years, above 7% on a 30-year loan, and that's just far of a double whammy for would be home buyers, median housing prices are way up by more than $100,000 from just a year ago, now 422,000. the net effect, people are being priced out of what has long been considered a key part of the american dream. home ownership. and that potentially creates a political problem for joe biden. cnbc's morgan brennan joins us for cnbc on msnbc, and we're also joined by basil smikle, democratic strategist, and former chair of the democratic party. morgan, bottom line, what does all of this mean for home buyers? >> i think the bottom line means housing affordability, already at historic lows is getting worse. 21 years ago, that's the last time that we saw the average
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30-year fixed rate mortgage was this high, 7.09%, that's according to freddie mac, that's with 20% down and excellent credit. it's up from a week before, up dramatically from a year ago when they were just over 5%. why we're seeing this increase in mortgage rates. while the yields on the ten-year treasury bond, to which mortgage rates or other types of interest tied, that has surged as economic data has been better than expected. it's put upward pressure on mortgage rates which are double what they were than a year and a half ago. higher mortgage rates can add hundreds of dollars to monthly housing payments. it makes buying a home more expensive, but it also keeps some folks who otherwise might have sold their properties from doing so, especially if they locked in on much lower rates previously. that keeps some housing inventory off the market. so it's a combination of low inventory and high costs that are squeezing would be home buyers and sending home sales
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down about 20% versus this time last year. but it's really that supply/demand imbalance in general that's being exacerbated by affordability issues that's actually keeping home prices from falling further as well. that's the irony here. it's the reason goldman sachs revised itself forecast for hom year and a 3.5% jump for home prices next year. we'll see where rates go from here. expectations higher at least in the near tomorrow. >> morgan brennan, thank you for that. so home ownership is an emotional thing and part of the american dream for people to buy that first home. you start to get a little more successful, so to move up, what morgan was talking about, if you can't do that, that brings inventory down. what kinds of political challenges does something this emotional, this tied to the american dream, mean for joe biden? >> i think about the juxtaposition. a few years ago we were talking about moratoriums on evictions because we were so concerned
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about people's housing insecurities. now you have news like this. so the american dream is becoming farther and favrt out of touch, out of reach for so many americans. >> in spite of all the good economic news that the white house likes to tout, this is where maybe the rubber meets the road for some people. >> it does. it affects two important constituencies for democrats, one, millennials, those young americans who are looking to buy their first home or have been living in rental properties for a period of time, kind of going back and forth, and looking for a home as well. this makes it much more difficult for them to be able to purchase that home, especially if you're coming out of college. talking about 21 years, i graduated college 30 years ago, i hate to say that, but it's true. >> did you buy a house right out of college? >> you would understand how to plan for that, and you're thinking about what that job is going to be, what the wage is
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working, but we has to have specific conversations with those young voters. this is affecting them. layer on top, student loan debt, so many young voters are thinking about now and wanting the administration to do more. they've done a lot. but they want the biden administration to do more. you layer that debt on top of the cost of home ownership, it puts people in a very precarious situation. these are people that need to come out and vote. it also impacts the suburbs. there are a lot of governors that are trying to increase affordable housing in the suburbs. a lot of pushback on that. a fine line that a lot of leaders have to talk. >> basil, thank you. a new frontier in the highly competitive global space race. the moon's south pole. the countries that are now rushing to explore uncharted territory and the infinite possibilities it could unlock. (fan #1) there ya go! that's what i'm talkin' about! (josh allen) is this your plan to watch the game today? (hero fan) uh, yea. i have to watch my neighbors' nfl sunday ticket.
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it's a space race to the moon. russia is days away from becoming the first country to land a robot on the moon's south pole. who will be the first send humans? tom costello has more. >> reporter: now orbiting the moon, luna 25 is russia's first robotic mission in nearly 50 years. they never landed kozma naughts, but luna would be the first to land on the south side working to confirm the presence of frozen water which could be 0-1 day used for rocket fuel. russia's space agency says the moon could be the launching plan to extend. >> they've launched on the south pole. >> reporter: that ice is why the u.s. plans to land artemis astronauts in 2025, but china is also aiming for pole. >> i don't want china to get to
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the south pole first with humans. and then say this is ours. stay out. >> is it starting to feel real? >> it's starting to feel very real. >> reporter: at kennedy space center, the first crew who will orbit the moon since apollo have inspected the spaceship that will take them there next year. >> we're all smiles of course. it's pretty inspiring. >> reporter: nasa's goal similar to what russia and china are planning. ultimately, nasa wants to create an artemis base camp on the moon and use that to go to mars. >> tom, i think the space race is really between us and china, and we need to protect the interests of the international community. >> reporter: nelson insists the u.s. would never lock out others, but the new space race is accelerating. tom costello, nbc news, at the kennedy space center.
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