living for her. that's honoring her and honoring her name. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline. " i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. >> thanks for joining us this evening, nbc news is reporting tonight a law enforcement officials expect donald trump to turn himself in at fulton county jail in atlanta georgia late next week where he will be booked and processed on criminal charges brought by the d.a. down there, bonnie wills. this is expected to happen no sooner than next thursday which is one day after the first republican presidential debate in wisconsin. on that note, nbc news is also reporting that after quite a bit of back and forth, donald trump has officially decided not to attend the first debate which is being hosted by fox

news. instead trump is seeking a sit-down interview with the former fox news host tucker carlson. as a means of counter programming the republican debate. this is not something that fox and the rnc can be happy about atul. and it is shaping up to be yet another chapter in the long running saga between donald trump and fox news the network that helped make donald trump president in the first place. let me step back a little bit do you remember the first time trump ever participated in a republican primary debate? it was august 20 15th, that debate, much like the coming one, was hosted by the republican national committee and fox news. meghan kelly was one of the moderators. and when she asked trump about some of the absolutely vile language he had used to describe women in the past trump was incensed. the next day trump took his grievances to air on another cable news network.

>> she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of hurdles grigor's questions, and you know you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> after that trump boycotted the fox news debate because the network refused to remove meghan kelly as a moderator. the war was fox did not last long, when trump became the republican nominee, fox very much went along for the ride, meghan kelly left the network citing donald trump as the reason for her exit. and when that happened the relationship between trump and fox was cemented. the network has shown trump undying loyalty. we saw that in the dominion voting lawsuit which caused a network three quarters of a billion dollars. fox news host knew that trump's election lies were baseless but continue to promote them in order to preserve their relationship with trump and his

supporters, even as fox hosts were complaining about trump behind the scenes. tucker carlson while he was still of star told a colleague at one point, of trump, i hate him passionately, i can't handle much more of this. and referring to trump's presidency carlson said we're pretending we have a lot to show for it because admitting what a disaster it has been too tough to digest. so fox has been at the mercy of donald trump four years, and as a result has defended and promoted trump in ways that would have previously been unthinkable. fox is not alone in this, the same abusive relationship trump has with fox, he also has with the republican party. over the course of his presidency trump turned to republican national committee, the rnc, into his lapdog. trump forced the rnc to cover hundreds of thousands of dollars of his own personal legal bills. at one point, the rnc spent $300,000 just to boost the

sales of a book written by trump's adult son, don jr.. trump managed to get the rnc involved in his plot to overturn the 2020 election using fake electors, the chair of the rnc told the january six committee that trump and his lackeys called her up and demanded that the republican party assist with this plot. according to the federal indictment, ronna mcdaniel kept trump up to speed on all the fake elector that was happening. so, a lot of work these guys have put in for donald trump, they have weathered lawsuits for this guy, criminal probes, public humiliation, you name it, they've done it. now the rnc in fox news are hosting a debate, a big ticket event that they are quite desperate to have him attend. we know that because on the night that donald trump received his indictment a new york times reports that trump was having a private dinner with fox news executive, who were trying to convince trump

to participate in next week's debate. what have they gotten from all of this? not just a sorry, guys, not this time. no! trump's counter programming their debate. he is actively trying to take audience away from fox and the rnc. is this what loyalty gets you in the republican party these days? if so, was all of the controlling, lying, prostrate-ing in front of donald trump, was it worth it? joining me now is former florida congressman and former republican dave jolly. david jolly, i find this whole series of event so utterly humiliating for these institutions, fox news in the rnc. i wonder on the trump side, do you think it was the loyalty pledge that all the candidates have to agree to that they will support the nominee no matter what it is? do you think that's the reason he is not doing this? when you look into the mind

like someone like donald trump, a scary dark mind, what do you see? a scary dark>> yeah i think it e better to look into his ego, this is raw ego and also the stature of a former president. look, to your point he not only humiliated but he crushed the hopes of the rnc and fox. the debate stage won't be the same. now it allows americans to hear from more candidates as opposed to see donald trump mob the stage with his ego and vanity. i think, alex, it revealed something about his ideas going into next week, and informs how he is looking at the contrast in this race. donald trump has a couple of options to counter program, he could lean into the chaos theory of surrender for arrest, own the news cycle and i'm a victim in the deep state and weaponization, and drown out whatever's happening on the debate stage. but he didn't really do that, it appears he will sit down as

a former president, i'm sure we will hear the election is stolen and all those things but i think is trying to set himself out as a candidate of one. there's only one donald trump, he is sitting with tucker carlson and will have the kids in the sandbox have their debate, and perhaps he opens in next cycle with chaos theory. it tells us that he doesn't want to lean into the indictment and arrest as the counter programming which suggest that even donald trump knows that some things really are too hot. >> in some ways, dave, he is having his cake and eating it too, we know that the arraignment will be no earlier than thursday. and theory he could step in the afterglow, that's what you want to call it, by getting rained. but it seems like an odd thing to try to sell yourself with, a criminal and eisman. but nonetheless, maybe that's part of the playbook. i'm sort of confused by the fight that he's choosing to sit down with tucker carlson, a man who said, and in a court filing

he says i hate donald trump passionately. to me that seems like the sort of thing that would be unforgivable in the book of trump. but, no? >> it's transactional. i'm surprised because how do you even watch tucker carlson these days? truly, how are the republican super voters able to watch the counter programming that trump is trying to achieve? i think that is a fair question. perhaps it's a misstep by the president. but i think you nailed it, there is a sequence here, he is waiting for the indictment and the arrest until the next day because then who is going to remember anything that was said the night before? donald trump he knows how to own a cycle, he puts issues in front of the country, this has to be covered, right? the former president is being arrested and arraigned, in a significant criminal trial in georgia, that has to be covered. whatever happens on the debate stage the night before, it really is an afterthought. >> yes i think i wonder what do you think it does to the debate

itself? there won't be the fireworks, presumably that there would be a trump was there, that doesn't really relegate the entire crop of presidential candidates to an afterthought really the also-ran's? at this point, with 91 felony charges against him the fact that he is the prohibited front runner so much so that he doesn't even need to attend the debate tells you something about the state of affairs in the republican party. >> it really does, i think the battery leads by around the santa super pac this week affirms that. you won't see data supported attacks on donald trump, you will see the chris christie's and others who got donald trump, but we also know that they are out of step with today's republican party, even if they are in line with the right side of history. so i think what you will see is all of the other candidates defend donald trump, he's sympathetic, maybe they will take the position that too distracted or hasn't won. that would be the hardest hit. this imam looking for actually that rose out of kathy

barnett's race in pennsylvania when she was running against doctor oz and started to make a move and trump hit her, she says market doesn't belong to one person it belongs to all of us. just as you gave donald trump the opportunity to be a vessel for maga i hope you will consider me as a vessel. i think you will see variation on that theme from republicans. sympathy towards trump, allegiance towards donald trump or trying to present themselves as an alternative that perhaps could win and ultimately advance the cause for -- more than donald trump. >> magoo vessels everywhere. dave, in terms of fox news, i mean do you think we could force -- is there a chance at fox news actually -- i'm not gonna say breaks with trump because i know the answer to that question, but the adoration parade may be lessons to some degrees in the coming months? >> yes, i think there will be a hit on the debate stage. look, their posture will be

difference now, because they got left at the altar after begging trump to join, trump flirted with the idea but they know that this debate is simply not the same, for the country or the party or the ratings without the front runner by 30 points being there. it is the undercard, if you will people trying to get to second place. so fox is going to stick with trump for ratings and profits, but they won't take it lying down i don't know what the heat is going to be. is it something that the moderator delivers, the editorial board? he editorial decisions within vox? i think there will be something. >> it certainly is an embarrassing turn of events that's all i'll say. david jolly, thank you for your perspective sir, we appreciate your time. we have a lot to get to tonight, including and up close look of florida community whose history of racist violence is being whitewashed as part of ron desantis's war on woke. -- conspiring with donald trump to

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distant bell? it's because that building is where former president trump pleaded not guilty earlier this month to federal charges of attempted to overturn the 2020 election. and, it is also where members of the far-right extremist group the proud boys will soon be sentenced for their role in the january 6th attack. the justice department has just announced it is seeking a whopping 33 years in prison for the former leader of that group and re-gate.io. it is a staggering sentence and one that is all the more notable because of what we learned today. a review of public source video appears to show the architect of trump's fake elector plot, showed him on the capitol grounds on january six. cheeseburger presence was reported by cnn, in the video chesebro as identified as the man in the red trump maga hat right there marching along conspiracy theorists alex jones. now chesebro was one of the 18

co-defendants in the case down in georgia. chesebro appears to be coconspirator number five, in special se smith election interference case. chesebro is everywhere, legally speaking. while there is no indication that mr. chesebro enter the capitol or acted violently on jenner six this could greatly complicate his legal defense. as nyu law professor ryan goodman notes this evidence could be cited by prosecutors as further proof that cheeseborough was not working as a bona fide legal advisor but rather as an activist. -- she served as the deputy chief of the criminal division. kristie, thanks for being with me on this friday night. i wonder if you agree with ryan goodman's assessment that the presence of chesebro in the

january 6th insurrection though not acting violently could be a real problem for the defense he is trying to mount in the federal entitlement? >> absolutely it could, the lawyers will want to portray him as a lawyer sitting in the office, sending out legal things and offering options to a client. but his presence at the capitol shatters that image. this is of no longer theory, this is action. he's not just a dispassionate lawyer, he has the red trump hat on, he is filming as the crowds are getting rowdier in rowdier he is in the presence of a known conspiracy theorist alex jones and he went into a restricted area at the capitol as well. so, you know this shows somebody who is really personally invested in this corrupt plan to overturn the election. there's a reason why when investigators asked him if he was in d.c. in december of 2020

and into january 2021, he pled the fifth. he knows this is damaging, his presence at the capitol that day is damaging to any defense he is trying to mount to the charges. >> he is all over this video. he is not a secret presence here he is very much in and around the big faces of the day the boldface names alex jones's of january six. i have to ask you the notion that this defense effectively lawyers be lawyering they are being creative if you are john eastman or mr. chesebro was just putting forth some legal theories as lawyers do -- is that in and of itself a solid explanation in a court of law as to how the they electors plot came to be? does not hold as much water as we are led to believe it does? >> i don't think so, if you're

looking at the substance of the memos in seeing how the berries evolved from one where he mentioned okay, this is just the wisconsin memo that is reference in the general six indictment, this is just to preserve the legal options in the event any of the lawsuits are successful. that, okay, it seems like a legal theory one could put forward in a memo. but then in the subsequent memos it evolves and it starts to talk about more action not just preserving the options but how are we going to implement this fake elector scheme. there is also an email that he sends in december of 2022 to john eastman where he talks about the supreme court justices may be more inclined to act if they have reason to fear that they will be chaos on january six, maybe they will do something before hand, all of that starts to take something again not theory, but action. this is a plan he wanted to implement and it is an illegal

plan. >> i do wonder given that we are getting the cheeseborough news or footage, an analysis of it the same day as henry tarrio is being asked to be sentenced to 33 years in jail for his role in the january six insurrection, i mean what do you think -- what does that portend as far as how aggressively the doj will go after the coconspirator is named in the federal and meant against on trump? >> it is interesting if you look at the sentencing submission from the government, there is reference to the fact that a number of these proud boys leaders who were foot soldiers under the right and are they really footsoldiers of the right or are they foot soldiers of donald trump, isn't donald trump the general here? if that is the case it is hard not to call out donald trump's own violence. there have been three criminal

cases, at least two of them there has been a reference in a bail consideration to whether or not one presents a danger to the community. isn't a person who is unleashing this kind of violence, a danger to the community? no one has argued that, no one has argued that donald trump should be detained. but certainly donald trump and the unindicted coconspirators not only thought about violence on january 6th, they knew about it and again even though it is not charged, certainly many of their actions laid out in the indictment suggest that that is what they did. when donald trump is telling them to, his supporters to fight like hell, and according to cassidy hutchinson he knows they are armed, many of them are armed and says don't have any metal detectors, leave them there they won't hurt me. again, a lot of the speech that

was done at the time, yes is it protected by the first amendment? you know i think it is a really tough question, i soon that's why the special counsel didn't charge it, but it doesn't mean that it should be considered as to whether or not there is any kind of pretrial detention that should be appropriate for the former president at some point. in particular, if he continues with his intimidation tactics on social media, of potential jurors, of witnesses, and of the judges and prosecutors in the cases. >> i do wonder the legal perilous starting to dawn on him, washington post notes today that trump adds my opinion or what i think to his claims about the stolen election. that seems like someone who's maybe actually listening to the advice of his lawyers. >> well, right he was supposed to have a press conference on monday where he was going to present a report of 100 page report, of proof, that he won the election. which obviously we know does not exist.

if that was such proof he would have put forth, his attorneys would have put it forth. many lawsuits, courts found that there was no evidence -- that evidence would've come forth. the same way, his lawyers met with the special counsel -- he also had an opportunity to go before the grand jury and present any evidence himself from the january 6th case, and he declined to do so so that evidence does not exist and it seems like somebody has told him if this is going to be a four seasons total landscaping thing, he should declined to do so. >> didn't stop trump from going to the four seasons this week, the question is how long does this newly-leashed trump last? christie greenberg, thank you for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still to come this evening, we take a trip back to where

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a year ago rhonda census was in the middle of a successful reelection campaign for governor. he was just beginning his war

on woke. as he extended his reach into public classrooms across florida, transforming them into anti-woke battlegrounds, we followed. reporting on the effect of his new policies. when governor desantis began policing language in florida schools, we talked with teachers attempting to plan lessons where they couldn't teach about racism if any group of students felt discomfort. when desantis initiated a hostile takeover of new college, a small public art school in the state, we went there and spoke with students, parents about the new trustees, and their mission to transform the school into a model of conservatism. a year later governor desantis is attempting to rescue his struggling presidential campaign by highlighting his latest crusade on a black history. first he rejected the curriculum for ap african american studies. -- including mandating lessons on

the personal benefits of slavery and requiring that lessons on certain race massacres include acts of violence perpetrated against and by african americans. so once again, we went back to florida, traveling to the small town of ocoee 12 miles west of orlando where the town's own history of anti black violence and its residents ability to learn about it, where that is all under threat. all under threat >> the ocoee massacre is basically a whole bunch of black people were killed because they wanted to vote, and the white people decided to run them out of a cohen killed them and burn our homes. it was a horrible night. i know a lot of students, they don't know about that. even though we're literally in

ocoee. >> i learned about the ocoee massacre we were outside talking and she said did you know that there's a scholarship for ocoee? and i said what scholarship? and she said the ocoee massacre. and she said yes, they killed all the black people. and i said they what? i did my research and i was like wow, this is serious. it's crazy how racism goes so far. >> it's everywhere. it's in our face and we still don't know about it. >> i wasn't taught it in school. i think it may have been mentioned in ap u.s. history in my junior year but even if it is at a slower pace it needs to be taught throughout the school years, because it's important, our history, especially living in florida. >> in november 1920 the small town of ocoee was the site of the worst election day violence

in american history. weeks before the election, ku klux klan members held rallies and send threatening letters -- black residents to vote. the klan promised we shall always enjoy white supremacy in this country and he who interferes must face the consequences. >> this is ocoee and this is the ground cemetery which detains the bodies of 300 people, black people, who died during the ocoee massacre. most of them burned to death. beyond recognition, they were put in mass graves in the spot. until recently, and forgotten about. >> the massacre was sparked by two african american men who went to the post to vote, it was about voting rights. >> there were good reason for white man to be afraid about

blacks voting because it could change the dynamics of power in the south. >> and so mose, norman moore refused the right to vote. >> the mob comes to his home, surround his home, tries to figure out what was going on, bring him out, punish him for attempting to vote. they killed two of them through friendly fire. and it gets blamed on him. >> there were headlines all over the country, two white men killed in ocoee, blacks writing in ocoee. >> it remains unclear to this day who killed those two white men, but those headlines about the death of whites in july perry's home, diminishing the black terror in this community, those headlines would have repercussions both then and now.

>> he was arrested and brought into orlando where the orange county jail is. the mob followed him and took him out of the jail and hung him, and left his body hanging for days, as intimidation so other african americans who would contemplate voting in orange county would see what would happen. >> a lot of what the plan was trying to do, the kkk we're trying to do was to suppress the vote by using violence. normally it worked. it worked pretty well here. >> the black death toll from that day is now incalculable. the remaining black population in oak oh we plummeted after the massacre. the events of november 1920 were largely forgotten. until now. >> since i've been governor, we've added to what type of

african american issues like we did -- we have mandatory -- the election day riots in 1920. >> the new curriculum in florida schools championed by governor ron desantis, mandates that students learn about what happened in ocoee. but only of that instruction includes acts of violence perpetrated against and by african americans. it's an apparent reference to the two white men killed at perry's home, and it obscures the fact that the massacre targeted black citizens. >> there have been comments about the death was, anybody who can read the standards you can see the topics that are covered our in-depth and there is nothing that is left out. >> the state of florida, desantis, they are blaming today anti-white violence on blacks of ocoee. i did not have been. the two white men who died here died at the hands of other

white people. so we're here to correct that lie. >> if you take a massacre where a whole town was destroyed, houses were set of fire, schools were set of fire. churches, people who ran out of their homes were shot and killed. those who didn't run out of their homes burned in the building. if you can take something like that and have it focused on violence perpetrated by and against african americans, you missed the whole point. >> good morning. >> geraldine thompson works in the florida education system for more than 24 years before she became a state senator representing ocoee. >> i would like to welcome you and thank you for your participation in this speak out

town hall meeting. >> thompson is now involving the entire community to correct the state's history standard. >> i won boxes of petition that we will send the commissioner of education. saying that we want factual, balanced history taught in our classrooms. >> i love the students, every dad come to school, i come to work, i'm excited to talk to the kids, i'm excited to tell them what they need to know so they can grow and make this country better. but they want me to lie to kids. they want us to ignore african history prior to the slave trade. they want us to try to hide florida's ugly legislative history and -- i'm sorry, i'm getting upset. i will not in my classroom both

sides lynching! it's not going to happen. >> while teachers in ocoee and across florida are struggling to teach students under these new standards, professor marvin dunn it's showing educators ocoee's history firsthand. >> i'm here because i want to bring their county teachers, active teachers, to these places in florida where the state requires them to tell lives to student like there was anti white violence and ocoee. we're trying to correct the record. not having the teacher feels like they have to stay alive because the state requires them to. >> can someone tell me what's wrong with this marker? the problem with this marker is that it doesn't tell the truth of what happened here.

it doesn't tell the truth of who is out there. this is hollow ground. calling this a cemetery is a lie, this is a mass grave. this is a mass grave. i will take questions, reactions, comments, anything. >> i am a teacher in a public school, and i'm telling all teachers as you know i wasn't higher to teach lies, and i will never teach lies. i am not a teacher who will teach law's. period. >> as for the students back in school in ocoee, they are determined to learn the truth about what happened in their own backyard, regardless of what the state of florida says. >> even if our history is not being taught in schools, it is our obligation to read about

our history on our own. >> we have to do what our teachers are unable to do, our public school teachers, who are being prohibited from teaching us what is real by law, their jobs are at stake. they are risking their livelihood. >> right, you can pick and choose which ones you want and say oh history is beautiful, we helped the slaves. were generous people. no! you killed people! you massacred people, you took people from their homes. that is the hard truth. it hurts. it really does. again, people have wounds. the ocoee massacre, you have the great grandchildren surviving recalling the times -- it's trauma. we have to heal as a nation but we can't heal as a nation -- >> we don't know. >> right. >> if you don't acknowledge the past, history is gonna keep on repeating itself. we have to start now. >> it is not just happening in

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progressed more but it is just like -- we have gone nowhere. >> students are back in school in florida where they are going to be taught that slaves develop skills which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefits, and certain race massacres like the racial terror in ocoee in 1930 including acts perpetrated against and by african americans. and officials have they weigh those history lessons will be exported across the country. >> this is something that is going to set the norm for standards and other states when it comes to african american history. >> joining us now is jelani cobb dean of the journalism school at columbia university and staff writer for the new yorker. dean cobb thank you for being here and put some needed perspective on this. it's never a good thing to white wash history, rewrite history. what about the particular evil when you are re-writing that history of a community like

ocoee that has been so historically and systematically disenfranchised? >> well, you know, it compounds the original offense. so, you know, you have the outraged, the atrocity that happened a century ago. and then you add insult to that historical event by diminishing the scale of the horror that is entailed in that history and other histories. in that state and beyond. i think the more troubling element of this though is that the way that history is framed is almost always connected to the way that the contemporary politics are being framed. and so when we see these attempts to copy edit history to present an even-handed view of lynchings and massacres, what are you rationalizing for the current state of affairs? when you see people who were

killed attempting to cast a ballot, what are you attempting to lay a groundwork for in the contemporary context? >> well, i mean, and i think to that and, what do you see as a potential through line between the massacre in ocoee which was specifically to disenfranchise black voters, to terrorize them into not exercising their fundamental democratic right, and the election of 2020 were black voters, in particular, of color, in major urban centers across the country, the leading head of that party were trying to disenfranchise those voters in atlanta, philadelphia, detroit and elsewhere. i mean, what is the lesson you draw? what is the parallels you see between the events of 1920 nda vents of 2020? >> it's notable, by the way philadelphia was in there, pennsylvania milwaukee was in there too, and wisconsin. we see these federal and edmonds being handed down for

atlanta, georgia. so in the states where there are millions of other voters, the center of attention was conveniently, coincidentally in these populations that were filled with african american voters. and so, the precedent is not hard to connect. we see the ugly specter of this and franchise mint in history rearing its head in the contemporary context. >> the other part that i find distressing is the notion of systemic racism has effectively been erased, or censored in the state of florida, but in a place like ocala we, if there is mentioning that after this racial terror was inflicted on the black residents, as black property owners literally fled

the town, their properties were re-sold to white residents for pennies on the dollar. i mean this is how we end up in a place with such perverted economic disenfranchisement and political disenfranchisement. and i wonder, we had the mini documentary that we just played, the kids in oakland we want to learn about their history, but i worry that so much of the connective threat is being lost when people are literally having to find out about events like the ocoee massacre on the internet and they are not being shown the full spectrum of events that has led us to where we are today. do you worry about that as an academic? what resources people have to paint a full picture of our american history? >> sure, there are two things to your point. one is that ocoee is not a typical that land laws -- if you really want to get into the most hard aspects of the

history you can look at the scale of the land loss in town after town, after town, county after county, state after state, especially in the 50 years that followed emancipation. people were just driven out, their land was seized, sometime sold, for pennies on the dollar. so what happens when you give this highly curated version of that history to people is that you render them incapable of being civic minded participants. you make it difficult for them to actually participate in the fundamental elements of democracy which is supposed to be our responsibility as citizens of a constitutional democratic state. so, yeah, there are ripple effects. not only as an academic, as someone who is concerned about the integrity of democracy, these are things that i think about and i'm pretty alarmed about. >> yes, this is a foundational

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show trump's criminal charges could spell trouble for him in a general election. >> that is a understatement. >> we have a lot of legal issues to get to pertaining to all of this, but first, the politics of it seems to be playing out. and the latest ap norc center survey, nearly two thirds of adults, 64%, say they would probably or definitely not support trump if he is the republican nominee next year. overall, 62% view the former president unfavourably compared to 33% who view him favorably. as for the four pin cases against him, just 15% of americans are buying the ex presidents claims that he did nothing illegal in the georgia case. and when it comes to his hoarding of nuclear secrets on the contrary, 53% say that his actions were illegal. 53% also say that they approve

of the decision to indict trump in the federal election interference case. and >> so we have a number of polls here, and then had suggested that we break these up beforehand, and -- >> there is so much to get through there before we even get to the fox news poll. and this is what republicans have quietly been panicking about. when you look at these numbers, 64%. jonathan, we'll go to you real quick. 64% in the ap poll. 64% say that they are not going to support trump next year. i actually sold people connected with mitch mcconnell and other republicans tweeting that out that this is devastating. that is who the republicans are moving towards putting up. he has a 33% approval rating, a favorable rating in that poll.

the majority believe what he did was illegal and there are so many other polls they came out yesterday that are showing the same thing. independents breaking dramatically away from donald trump. independents saying that he should have been indicted. independents saying overwhelmingly that what he did was illegal. when you look at -- it strange, to me at least, but actually the georgia case, voters are more hostile towards him on the georgia case them actually election interference, where it is still 47% say what he did was illegal, and then initial 18% said it was unethical. but the georgia case and the classified documents case, those two cases look like the strongest, which is exactly what andy mccarthy wrote about in the new york post a couple

of days ago that's those classified docks in the georgia election interference cases that are going to cause him the most trouble probably legally and politically. >> well that is the same view held and trump world. those are the two cases all along that they've been most concerned about. partly because they are the easiest to understand. americans, even who are not playing that much attention, resigns get lost in the steady stream of headlines that emanate from donald j trump, they get the idea of, you should not have nuclear secrets at your golf club in florida. they have also heard these phone call in which he's pushing the secretary state of georgia, brad raffensperger, to find him the votes that we need to win. and they get that. that revenue resonates, that breakthrough. in the poll startling. going through a little bit more here. there are 54% of people polled who say that donald trump threatened the very idea of democracy. only 19% say he defended it. among the general population, this is both parties, 64% of americans, 64% of americans say

they would definitely or probably not support trump in 2024. that only leaves it with 36%. you can't win a election with 36%. so this is, as much as trump has tightened his grip on the republican party, while he is far away ahead in the gop primary field, these are general election numbers, and these are general election numbers of not only sell a loss for donald trump, but dragged down the rest of the ticket to. and that is where there are a lot of republicans panicking that they could lose the house and the senate would be either -- the chances of retaking the senate would also be jeopardized if trump's name is talked about. >> you, know we've been very careful not to draw any conclusions on where republicans are going to go. just because it has been so impossible to figure that out over the past six or seven years. and my former party. i will say that charlie sykes, for me, this is feeling a lot like june of 1974 leading up to

nixon's resignation in august. trump will not back out but i tell the story repeatedly. what i'm trying to get my arms around, how are they staying with donald trump? i remember my own dad staying with nixon into the very end and that reading the transcript of the tapes and saying that guy is unworthy to be president. and you look at these numbers, 64% of americans say that they are not going to support trump. his approval rating at 33%, 54% saying he threatened democracy itself. 18% saying maybe he strengthened it. is a favorable views exploding it continue to go up, and then you look at these actions, classified documents, majority say what he did was illegal. georgia election interference, 51% say it was illegal.

13% say unethical. only 15%, only 15%, let's underline this agreed with donald trump that he did nothing wrong. only 15% of americans agreed with donald trump that he did nothing wrong and the classified documents case. only 14% of americans say he did nothing wrong and the hush money case. of course that is by far for good reason the weakest case. these numbers, it seems like they're moving in one direction. and charlie, the bad news for him is that the more people find out about these cases, the worst news it is for donald trump. >> there has to be a stunning reality check. now we'll find out whether the republican party continues to be immune to reality. this ought to be the moment, by the way, that it ought to mark the end of all of the magical

thinking among republicans that something, something, something, unicorn was going to come along and take care of donald trump. they didn't have to do. it that somebody else would take care of the problem. you know, that sense that they could amplify and rationalize and defend him and somehow run against him for president. look, this is that moment where we have all of the major indictments have come down, and yet republican voters continue to rally around him. and so there is the challenge. what does mike pence to. what does ron desantis do? what does glynn youngkin do? are they going to continue to go along with this sort of same old same old conventional wisdom. we have to humor ham, remember that quote? right after the election? what harm would it be to simply humor him. we will continue to echo his comments about the weaponization of the justice system. but as you are pointing out, there are these giant reality checks saying, republicans, do you know what you are about to

do? we keep talking about these focus groups of trump voters, and what people are saying and diners and west virginia. take a step back and realize that you have more than 60% of americans who say, no, we're done with donald trump. we're not going to vote for donald trump. that ought to really be the ultimate reality check for republican voters and leaders right now. >> we were joking yesterday about chuck rosenberg, about how micah wanted to talk to me about like, somebody was saying on another cable news channel. >> thought it was important what other people are saying. >> 7:30 -- eight at night and i was listening to some music to kind of forget about the day, the newsday, and i said, we don't need to hear what they say. it doesn't matter what they say. what matters is what goes on in the courtrooms. and we all know where this is

going. and you look at these poll numbers, and we all know where this is going. and i think the question micah is how long does tim scott, again, somebody i have that is a very strong candidate, how long this temps got humiliate himself by pretending the donald trump did nothing wrong? only to see me lead himself by talking about hunter biden taking seven billion dollars and saying nothing about jared kushner's three billion dollars. only one person and that is coming from the united states, and the rest coming from people that he's working with in the gulf. how long are they going to paint these false equivalency's. i'm not saying terry did anything illegal, but if you're going to say that donald trump sold nuclear secrets and hunter biden making $7 million from three different -- it's just seven, from three different countries. and you're going to create this false narrative, i keep trying to say it, and i wish somebody would listen to me in the

republican party other than chris christie. this is badly. this ends badly. you look terrible. defending this guy who tried to steal election and undermine democracy for the rest of your life. >> but more importantly, you look weak. they look weak. if you want to elect a leader that can stand strong in the face of whatever comes his or her way, and if something is wrong, a leader will say, that is wrong. that is not what our constitution says. that is not what democracy is about. that is not the president i will be. >> up next, the former president set to surrender his rivals for the gop nomination. prepare for the first debate. the political impact of indictment number four. >> it's not good. >> when morning joe on the weekend returns.

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challengers in the 2024 republican primary -- the latest indictment for the former president. >> they're now doing a in ornamental mount of resources to try to shoehorn this contest over the 2020 election into a rico statute, which was really designed to be able to go after organized crime. not necessarily to go after a political activity. and so i think it is a example of this criminalization of politics. i don't think that this is something that is good for the country. >> we all heard that phone call with the former president, then president at the time where he said, just finally the requisite number of votes that i would need. doesn't that feel anti-american? doesn't that feel it's not like

a president should do? >> i will continue to say as i said is that we've seen the legal system being weaponized against political opponents. that is un-american and unacceptable. at the end of the day, we need a better system than that. and thankfully hopefully the president united states will have the opportunity to restore confidence in integrity in all of our country. but that phone call, you heard it right? >> yes, but we're just trying to free conclusions. >> you would do that is per president? he would look for that amount of votes? >> it doesn't want to answer the question! he doesn't want to answer the question! if you are willing, if you are willing to sit back and excuse somebody trying to steal a election, calling it republican secretary of state who says he was trying to get me to throw out votes, that is when a republican secretary of state said a republican governor said, and then you sit there and you claim oh, they are politicizing the process?

they're weaponizing the process? you are not fit to be president of the united states. that is really, it is really disgusting. and you know, i like tim scott. i think he is a really talented, talented guy. and people ask me, who do you think can win the nomination if trump and desantis -- outdoor tim scott. not if he does that. not if he does that, jen, mary, it's so maddening. they keep talking about the weaponization. the weaponization of the justice department. donald trump still's nuclear secrets. he lies to the doj about turning everything back. he lies about everything. he sends his workers to try to destroy video surveillance tape that shows him moving those documents around with top

secret classified military secrets about nuclear weapons, attacks against iran. america's weaknesses, and they go oh, he's just trying to politicize the process. he tries to steal votes from millions of americans by setting up fraudulent electors? to replace electors who actually represent the millions of people that did vote in the seven swing states? and they go oh, they keep pointing at the ghastly, dangerous, merrick garland. are you kidding me? merrick garland. and i keep looking right past the guy who stole nuclear secrets allegedly. the guy who stole military secrets i will still say allegedly, even though they have him dead to rights on that. all of these things. and i'm serious. when are you going to get serious about running for president of united states and telling the truth about the guy

that you are running against. >> it's like it feels like what you see happening in iowa, it feels like a fantasy football league, right? you could make your arguments that you are making. you might even when iowa. somebody might even beat donald trump in iowa, but it has no bearing on what is actually happening. like the stakes of what is actually under threat, and also the bearing on who is ultimately going to become president of the united states. i really struck me when desantis said, rico was created to go after organized crime. yes, yes it was, and that is why it is being used here because it was a organized crime the trump and his allies committed. and you see rudy giuliani talking about the same thing. but you see the disdain that they have for what trump did. because rudy giuliani said, rico is not supposed to be used for election disputes, as if

what happened was not just trying to thwart the sort of fundamental principle of what the american republic stands for. the sort of carelessness with which republicans have treated this issue, i feel it is a long sided the history that is being made with the indictments. we are going to look back on those words with tim scott, who otherwise seems to be a very honorable, talented politician. they will be marked in history as, we saw this happening in another country, and we saw another leader being from -- berlusconi-ish. going through these kinds of trials and politicians continue to backup the person who so clearly violated this fundamental precept of the republic. what would we think of that country? >> yeah, and when it comes to

the mayor stealing, and they all know he did it. they all say it off of camera. they all say it off camera. they know he stole nuclear secrets and will tell you that off camera, and they know he tried to steal a election. and a lot of them, like tim scott, actually had to run for their lives and hunker down because the mob that donald trump sent their way could have killed them. could have killed them if not for the work of some cops, there are some senators who probably would have been killed by these riots. and so they know the troops -- truth. and yet they lied about somebody stealing nuclear secrets and trying to steal american democracy from them. from them, from us. it's just, again, there is no looking past that. >> no. there are lies in these bad

faith attacks. these whataboutisms. they're trying to say well, the two tiered system of justice. biden's doj in of course the hunter biden matter, which they latch onto each and every day is their go-to talking point. instead of confronting donald trump, the man they are trying to beat in these primaries. they're simply not doing it. >> yeah, exactly. >> not even because they are criticizing his behavior. apparently they decided that with voters, but even to make the electability argument. they're not even doing that to say, hey, he can't win. and to our earlier conversation, yeah. they're those close to president biden who think that if any other republican emerges as the gop nominee, the president probably can't win georgia this time around. georgia is not quite there yet for democrats. but if it is trump, they like their chances. >> coming up on morning joe weekend, senate majority leader chuck schumer talks bidenomics. >> we need t-shirts that say morning joe: weekend. >> i like that, swag! >> weekends with t.j.!

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a, all right. the red sox won last night. yankees -- i'm going to let that pass by. you know -- >> actually, you can't. >> the thing is, people -- what i find is that people will tell me that i don't look at the news anymore because it is so biased. >> but they think they do. >> why don't you read murdoch's wall street journal? they have a great new section? why don't you -- and so they say, ap, reuters or whatever, and they're like oh no no, don't give me news. and then you find out that the reading facebook posts that people -- >> watching fox. >> the people type of weather sitting on the toilet or something instead of news articles where you have -- i'm just saying, there is no test. there are no editors.

there's no balance. and so they say oh, i don't follow news anymore, but they will go to conspiracy websites that are run by chinese religious cults instead of the wall street journal. again, it is a rupert murdoch thing. hardly this conspiracy. >> for trump's platforms, where he has family members delivering disinformation for hours and hours on a loop. >> and what can you say other than i am going to pray for them. and despite the presidents multiple indictments during the isn't focused on the economy and focused on his signature legislation, which i'm sure not a single person interviewed has any idea of all of the things that were passed that will actually make their lives better. >> the president was in milwaukee during a clean energy company that makes onshore wind

turbine generators. the visit was part of a effort to acknowledge the effects of the inflation reduction act signed into law a year ago today. but president biden said he was not there to declare victory on the economy just yet. >> we have more work to do. but we always have a plan. like turning things around, making america stronger and safer and more competitive. bidenomics is just another way of saying, restoring the american dream. that is the -- that is what it is. it's restoring the american dream. i believe every american willing to work hard should be able to get a job no matter where they live in the heart lands, small towns, and raise their kids on a good paycheck and keep their roofs where they grew up. that is the american dream. that is bidenomics. it's always works best for this country, investing in america. investing in americans, because

we invest in our people, and we strengthen the middle class, we see stronger economic growth that benefits all americans. americans. >> the white house says that since biden has been and office, private companies have committed more than three billion dollars in manufacturing and clean energy investments in wisconsin. the president is expected to mark the first anniversary of the inflation reduction act later this afternoon at a event at the white house. >> and right now, democratic senator from new york, majority leader chuck schumer. majority leader, thank you so much for being with us. i think if you want to sum up the economy right now and how bogus the attacks are against joe biden and the senate have done to help the economy along, all you have to do is look at what the economists right now, as of yesterday, most economists fear the most in the future, and it's two things.

one, the chinese economy is weakening too quickly, and that will have impacts on exports and imports, and two, that the united states economy is too strong. not making this up. china's two-week, americas is too strong, and therefore it is going to grow, keep growing so fast that we are going to have inflation again because it is so robust. i mean, these are problems? it's remarkable how resilient our economy is, isn't it? >> it is. our economy is doing so well, and it's in good part because of the work in the senate and that the president did over the last summer. the infrastructure bill, the chips and science bell, and today we are celebrating the one year anniversary of the i.r.a.. probably the most significant pieces of legislation that has been passed since the great society. and let's go over what they do. first, it is the most

significant reduction in the amount of carbon going into the atmosphere. the most significant climate legislation we have ever had. a 40% reduction by 2030, but that is creating millions of new green jobs, whether it is opening an electric battery factory or as and wisconsin, making the turbines. and you know, when a parent knows their kid, they sent a daughter gets a job and one of these industries, they say, that is lasting a long time. that is on into the future. these are good paying jobs. they also reduce costs. for the first-time, we able to go after pharma. we had no help from the republicans. insulin is $35. starting in january, no one's going to pay more than $3,000 out of their pocket for prescription drugs. a year later, it will go down to 2000. that is a huge cost reduction, as is the cost of buying an appliance. remodeling your home in a green way. getting heat conductors. all of these things are going to have lower costs. and at the same time, we did

raise some taxes on the very wealthy. the corporations who did not pay and put half of that money into inflation reduction. republicans always talk about the deficit, but they always increase it by just cutting taxes on the wealthy. we did just the opposite. >> up next, we will have georgia state senator and attorney elena parent about trump indicted for election interference in her state. i work for the city of new york as a police administrator. i oversee approximately 20 people and my memory just has to be sharp. i always hear people say, you know, when you get older, you know, people lose memory. i didn't want to be that person. i decided to give prevagen a try. my memory became much sharper. i remembered more! i've been taking prevagen for four years now. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription.

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>> a lot of them were racist. a lot of them were just hateful. >> that was ruby freeman testifying before the house january six committee last year along with her daughter, shaye moss. they testified that they lost all sense of safety after former president trump, rudy giuliani, and others publicly accused him of tampering with votes in georgia following the 2020 election. freeman is the fulton county election worker who became the subject of pro trump conspiracy theories after the 2020 election, and some of the charges in the latest indictment of donald trump relate to freeman. both freeman and her daughter were officially cleared of any wrongdoing. joining us now is democratic state senator elena parent of georgia. she testified before the fulton county grand jury in june of last year, and thank you for coming on this morning. you talk about doing your job

and dealing with these lies, and it was like a bomb got dropped on your life. can you talk about that in the sort of stress that you were put under? >> well yes, and thank you for having me. good morning. i did not have it as bad as ruby freeman or shaye moss. and my heart goes out to them. i obviously put myself in the public eye a bit by running for office and being a state senator here in georgia, but but showing up that day at the georgia capital when i was surprised, i had no forewarning that rudy giuliani and jenna ellis and the rest of the crew were going to be showing up at this state senate subcommittee hearing that i was a member of. when i push back on the lies that they were bringing before us during that hearing, instantaneously i too became a target online and i say that a

bomb got dropped on my life because our family ended up having to have some police protection for the next month or so. >> so gene, you can take the next question, but when you look at what is happiness on these peoples lives and also many are mentioned here. many republicans as well as democrats and just innocent citizens who held the line in the process, and then if you read in the indictment, the chairwoman of the republican party, run in mcdaniel is mentioned because trump and john eastman reached out to her and they wanted her to figure out a way to get certain individuals to cast electoral votes for donald trump even though he had lost. and she continues. i mean, how does she continue to protect donald trump. when you're seeing and you're hearing, just like these other people, but this does not feel right. how about, let's not even say this feels like a crime.

maybe you cannot identify that conversation yourself as a crime, rana, but at the same time, you know something is wrong. you see with your eyes what he is doing and you get calls like that and you can't stand up. >> exactly. what strikes me about this indictment is, you know, you see the two levels of this. you see in washington and elsewhere in the country, people like ronald mcdaniel and others and republican senators, republican members of the house are buying into this big election lie for political reasons, right? it's all political and they are making these grand sweeping statements that are lies. but here, you see the effect on people. you see what it did to people. we see individuals who were involved in what it looked like

on the ground. and it is very different. and so my question for the senator is that because this is so focused and so granular, how is this, how do you think this will be received in georgia and really across political lines? i mean, obviously the state is polarized like the american electorate is polarized and there are people for whom donald trump can never do any wrong, but what do you think that the impact will be broadly as the dust settles here. well, thank you for the question. you know, i think you in your question hits on part of the answer, which is that our state and our country do remain completely polarized, and we just have a split, and what information people have, you know? there wouldn't have been so

many debates of any indictment would have been viewed as disqualifying, not just by elected officials, but also by the voters, by the people, and we've devolved into this media ecosystem, especially on the right, where there is no sense of shared reality. >> -- >> which is a huge problem facing our country as we try to solve problems, but even now, i do think there are the swing voters in the suburbs and the excerpts here in atlanta, for whom this will be meaningful. they did live through it. they understand that this was a conspiracy to try to disenfranchise millions of georgia voters by someone who had sworn to uphold, protect, and defend the constitution. but for many others, nothing will shake them out of there belief that donald trump simply did no wrong, that the election

actually was fraudulent or stolen, and that this is some sort of political witch hunt. >> democratic georgia state center, elena parent, like you so much. greatly appreciate you being on the show. >> and coming up, a new netflix series sticks into the opioid crisis and the prominent family that played a significant role in its. we'll be joined by the director of the series at the author whose book inspired it. morning joe is coming right back. righ back mon, c'mon. -gracie, c'mon. let's go! guys, c'mon! mom, c'mon! mia! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ my favorite color is... because, it's like a family thing! [ engine revving ] ♪ ♪ made it!

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epidemic, which was part of the inspiration for the series. so, i'd like to start with you there, sir, if i could. it's the author of the book, how does this series sort of bring to light the sackler family business, its role in this epidemic, and perhaps what you wanted people to really take away, that they could not grasp if they haven't read the book? >> you know, thanks very much for having me on. you know, i think the show illuminates the story in a way that it's really never been told before. it's kind of helps people understand the scope of this incredible betrayal, the crime that occurred, and even now, it dramatizes it's in a creative, fantastic way. and that is all a big credit to pete verb, the director. the screenwriters, and really, it was a fantastic calf.

>> what do we learn about richard sackler in matthew broderick's performance, peter? >> now, as barry just said, for me, obviously, i understand oxycontin is a problem and the opioid epidemic is very rare. but i didn't understand or what i think we do learn quite well, thanks to barry's book and what you're able to do with it, the complexity and the effectiveness with which the sackler family lied, manipulated, bribed, and sort of cheated their ways in the billions and billions of dollars. i did understand quite how good they were at being so very bad. >> so berry, give us a little bit of a sense there of the sackler family. what money they made from this, what sort of steps they took to avoid being held accountable

for the negative effects, and statistically, people hear opioid crisis. i don't think i understand, the numbers almost too big for people to get. give us a sense of some of the human toll. >> it's mind boggling. and all of those statistics. so, they made billions and billions of dollars from oxycontin. since the drug was first introduced, over a quarter of 1 million americans have died from prescription opioid overdoses, involving oxycontin and other drugs. , so, the money has been phenomenal. the death toll has been -- it's been a credible drug for cancer, for chronic pain, but purdue pharma could only make billions from its. by lying. by saying that it was good for every day, common pain, back pain, dental pain, and that it wouldn't be abused or cause patients addiction. >> mary, you've been following

this since around the time i entered college back in the day. so, for over two decades, which is just incredible. you really were at the forefront of discovering what was going wrong with the marketing of this drug. in the series, you try to do comparison with the consequences of the crack epidemic, and the opioid epidemic. can you talk about the disparities and how consequences were melted out? >> you know, our justice department has a particular habit of not prosecuting corporate criminals when it comes to drug dealers on the street, when it comes to, you know, cartel members. they are happy to parade them before the cameras, to throw them into prison, but you know, they chickens out when it came to going to bat against purdue, its executives, and the executives of many other opioid producers and manufacturers. so, in many ways, this disaster

was not simply the doing of one company. it was a failure by everyone in the system to do their part, to stand up, and to do the right thing. >> the show, painkiller, is streaming on that flex now. peter burke and barry mayer, thank you both very much for doing this. we really appreciate. >> well, that does it for us this morning. hope you have a great weekend. we are back monday at 6 am, eastern. have a great rest of your week. at rest of your week subaru and our retailers are there to help by giving millions of dollars in funding along with school supplies students need. we call it “the subaru love promise” and we are proud to be the largest corporate supporter of adoptaclassroom.org. it's just one of the reasons forbes ranked subaru the number one automotive brand for social impact. subaru. more than a car company. meet the future. a chef. a designer. and, ooh, an engineer.

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of the katie phang show, live from miami, florida. we've got lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer, so let's get started. georgia jolt. the peach state flaps the twice impeached, one term ex president with his fourth and most serious indictment so far. for his sprawling, all out efforts to cling to power. we are going to go in-depth on the ticking clock for trump and his 18 co-defendants to surrender. the serious threats against a judge in jurors, and what this all means for the 2024 presidential election ahead. plus,