record this is gonna complicate managers because the fema people are working as fast as they can, the difficult ut as you know is to rebuild, not only recover but identify the remains. >> unbelievable to think about what's ahead with 114 people confirmed dad. but still, up to 1000 people still missing. alice, thank you so much. we wish you the best and your community as well. as you try and recover, and rebuild from the disaster that hit your area. thank you. >> thank you very much. for those that want to donate go to miley county dot u.s. and if possible we really need cash donations right now. our needs have changed over time. and we pretty much -- basic supplies. but we do need other donations.

>> alice lee, thank you, we appreciate it. that wraps it up. i'm yasmin vossoughian on the back next saturday and sunday. symone starts right now. sunday. >> good afternoon. you're watching symone, i'm melissa murray in for symone sanders townsend. tropical storm hilary makes landfall. forecasters warn it's packing a dangerous punch. including catastrophic rainfall, flooding, and potential mudslides. guad venegas is live in san diego where hilary is on track to hit max. and the first debate for republican presidential candidates is just a few days away. how the challengers could take advantage of the elephant that will not be in the room. front runner donald trump escaping the debate stage this week. but his attendance is required in fulton county. while his surrender to -- overturn the 2020 election in georgia. meanwhile, codefendant mark meadows is trying to avoid prosecution in the peach state

altogether. we'll have the latest on the tangled web the legal woes for all the former presidents man. we have a lot to talk about, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we start this hour with the latest on tropical storm hilary, which could impact 26 million americans. they're looking at live pictures from tina lana, the storm made landfall in mexico a few hours ago. heavy rain has already started in san diego. where hillary's expected to hit next. emergency officials are holding a briefing there this hour. we'll be monitoring that for any breaking updates. california's governor, gavin newsom, has declared a state of emergency in some parts of the golden state. as heavy rain, wind, and catastrophic flooding are expected. the next two days will be crucial.

hillary's expected to move north through california today and into nevada by the mid morning. this is the first tropical storm to hit california since 1939. nbc's guad venegas, is live in san diego. guad, what are you seeing in san diego and what's the latest guidance from officials in the area? >> unless, our under a flash flood warning here in san diego. you can see behind me downtown. we've had light rain here all day on and off. it's continued, we still don't have the main part of the storm here. in southern california, the last report indicates that the storm is now arriving at ensenada. it's a large city in mexico. about 300,000 residents, south of talana. after that area the storm will make its way into tawanta, and cross into the united states, authorities wanted people to keep in mind that there was this morning for flash floods. for people in san diego that live in vulnerable areas knew they had to prove it --

hills, people live on top of hills, other people live in the areas. they knew that their houses were much more vulnerable. authorities had areas where they could pick up sandbanks to protect their property. they wanted people to keep in mind as well that there could be power outages because of the storm. and the latest report does indicate that the heavier rainfall could come on the east part of san diego. different parts of the county here and in los angeles, riverside counties -- different geography. residents need to pay attention to their areas because they have different types of dangerous. the number one risk authorities have talked about is the possibility of flash floods. let's hear from the mayor san diego speaking to the public yesterday. sorry, mayor of l.a.. >> our message today is clear, stay safe, stay home. and stay informed. this is an unprecedented weather event, what los angeles has deep experience responding to crisis. whether it be wildfire or

earthquakes, the city is prepared. >> karen bass speaking about the preparations of the county and los angeles as well as the county in san diego have declared local emergency. , as she mentioned, california is prepared to deal with the natural disasters. we have wildfires in the state every year. the resources exist to respond. both from the cities, the counties, and from the state to work together and respond. right now we're waiting for the bulk of the storm to make its way north. authorities have set the mission -- they're waiting for the worst of the rain to make its way here to the san diego area. to either parts of southern california, melissa. >> guad, we know californians are not strangers to natural disasters, but this one's unprecedented, this rainfall on the threats of flash flood. are they taking this warning from officials seriously, how are they preparing? >> once, i spent the last few days in san diego talking to

residents. i think the people that live in vulnerable areas know the type of danger that can result from heavy rainfall. that's because california had a lot of rain a few months ago. they know what places are vulnerable to these floods. i would say a lot of them took this serious, they want to get the sandbags to try to protect their property as best as possible. others just kept on with their plans throughout the weekend. in fact, i'm in downtown right now. i'm looking down here there's hotels, peoples walking around, some people are swimming, and this -- continuing what's planned. a lot of the people here, most people have never been through a tropical storm. they have no idea what that means when it comes to the wind in the water. when we had conversations with residents about how to prepare for a tropical storm. most of them told me, i don't know what to do. am i supposed to be buying food, am i supposed to be doing something to my home, what should i do? and i will say those conversations would usually and

with us telling them, make sure you know where to look for the latest information on your phone. it's the fact that people here are not familiar with this type of storm. we have seen a lot of residents that did prepare. they knew their homes are vulnerable to those floods. >> thank you so much for that live update, guad venegas, in san diego. this is going to be a pivotal week for former president donald trump and the other republican presidential candidates. we're gearing up for the first primary debate. trump's expected to skip that debate. and instead sit down for an interview with former fox anchor, tucker carlson instead. trump is 18 cone defendants are required by the fulton county district attorney to present themselves at the jail by noon on friday after being charged with attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election. nbc is reporting that law enforcement officials anticipate that former president donald trump will surrender no earlier than thursday. last night, one of trump's

codefendants, former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, filed a motion to have his charges dismissed. the filing -- that quote, as a federal official at the time of the charged conduct, he's immune from state prosecution under the supremacy clause of the federal constitution. all of this as abc reports that meadows told jack smith that he could not recall trump ever declassifying the mar-a-lago documents. even though the former president has insisted that he declassified all the materials before leaving office. and a statement to abc news, a spokesperson without evidence, accused the justice department of selectively linking incomplete information to impact the 2024 election. nbc news has not yet that -- this report. former vice president, mike pence, was asked about all these developments on abc's this week earlier today. >> in my case i was never made

aware of any broad based effort to declassify documents. there's a process that the white house goes through to declassify material, i'm aware of that occurring on several occasions over the course of our four years. i don't have any broad direct from -- that doesn't mean it didn't occur. it's just not something i ever heard about. >> joining me now to break it all down is national politics reporter at, josh -- former u.s. attorney for michigan and a lot percent at the university of michigan's law school. she's also a co-host of the sisters in law podcast. barb, first you. mark meadows has filed a motion to have the fulton county charges dismissed citing immunity as a federal officer. will he be successful, will these charges actually be dismissed? >> i think he'll be unlikely to be successful, there's this thing of immunity when a

federal official's charge of the crime instate work, if they're acting within the scope of their authority. but you are not immune from all kinds of prosecution. for example, if you're a law professor, law professors like to use hypotheticals to stretch the logic. if he were charged with murder in georgia, he wouldn't be immune from that. it needs to be something within the scope of his official duties. because his official duties, the president does not include the calculation of votes that the state of georgia are or any other state. i think ultimately he'll be unsuccessful. but the emotion hearing on this whether he can have it removed from federal court and dismissed under this immunity theory. >> barb, speaking of that earlier commotion to remove this from state court to federal court. how likely do you think it is for a judge to agree that they should be removed to federal court, and if it is in federal court what is the likely advantages or disadvantages that are presented to someone like mark meadows, and any of

the codefendants were also likely to make similar motions? >> i think it's unlikely. the same question is was it within the scope of the official duties. just because he was a federal official doesn't end the inquiry. you need to show your acting within the scope of the duties. i think it's an uphill climb, billy and evidentiary hearing to hear about this. and then the consequences, if they get to federal court the big advantage for meadows, trump, and others is the jury pool. instead of a jury drawn solely from colten county where we saw 72% of the electorate for joe biden in 2020. instead, it will go to a broader area in the northern district of georgia. where there are more republican communities that will drop to the jury pool. at the end of the, day i think either way the case will be tried by the fulton county prosecutors. it will be for violations of georgia law. it'll remain able to be part winnable by a future president. i don't know if it's the most consequential decision.

but fani willis would want to prosecute this case on her home turf. >> john, speaking of fani willis, she's using a rico indictment are tied together elements of what she says is a broad conspiracy that stretches even beyond the atlanta area that's her jurisdiction. there's something of an irony here, now former trump lawyer, rudy giuliani, is facing the same kinds of charges that he wants levied against others. especially when his handling mob cases in new york. now that he's facing criminal charges what are likely to be -- next step this time as a defendant? >> great question, professor murray, i defer to you on questions of the law as well as barb, being experts on. but this is an incredible army running with giuliani. he made his name with the justice department, made himself a political fedor by prosecuting the mob, -- racketeering charges against mob figures. which we shorthand.

that's what he's being charged with in georgia. his next move is gonna be to find some money. according to the new york times, there's a lot of other evidence to this, and this direction, he's running out of money. he's not being funded by donald trump the way others are. -- legal defense. but giuliani of course has found himself defending on a lot of grounds over the course of the past couple of years. >> barb,, jonathan brings up a good point, rudy strapped for cash. she's also bringing -- he's being sued by two voting machine manufacturers over his claims of election fraud. he's being sued by affair of fulton county coworkers that allegedly were defamed by giuliani. and he's being sued by a woman who's accused him of quote, wide ranging sexual assault. we should note, giuliani has denied all of these allegations. but similar to donald trump is facing a very busy court calendar. how would you if you were his attorney balance all of these

competing claims on your time and his? >> certainly, they'll be motions and mentions of. time the criminal cases will take priority over the civil cases. those will coddle -- plaintiffs in those cases. which is to the advantage of rudy giuliani. delay, delay, delay is part of their game. if i were slower i would talk to them about cooperation. rudy giuliani has a lot of potential information to share with prosecutors. while prosecutors may be a little wary of putting him on the stand because a credibility problems. -- putting a jury to believe him. he can share a lot of information that could be useful outside the courtroom, leads, connections, and explanations, if they don't put him on the stand there's a lot of value he could offer. i'd be talking to rudy giuliani about pleading guilty and cooperating in these criminal cases. >> john, not only is rudy giuliani facing scheduling complex --

donald trump's facing scheduling conflicts. he's asked the judge to delay special counsel jack smith's federal trial on election interference until 2026, two years after the prosecutors asked for the trial to began, a year and a half after the 2024 election. -- january 2nd, 2024 star, but trump's attorneys say that the complexity of the wall -- to me. how can donald trump balance all of the scheduling demands of all the cases while he's also a candidate on a campaign trail? >> you remember it was infrastructure week every week during the trump presidency. it feels like lately it's been indictment week every week since the trump canada say. what you're gonna see seeing forrest gump using all these different cases against him to argue for further and further delays. obviously, jack smith came with a pretty narrow scope in what he's charging at, least as far as the election overturning case, the attempt to overturn the election case.

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the first primary debate. as of today, former arkansas governor, each a hassan, appears to be the latest contender -- getting enough small turns to make what -- hutchinson would be the tenth candidate in a crowded pool to make the stage on wednesday night. but remember, the front runner, former president donald trump, is opting out. after refusing to sign a loyalty pledge to the eventual republican nominee. donald trump is giving the debate entirely. and pursuing an interview with former fox news host, tucker carlson. trump's wide lead may give him the luxury of snubbing the event. but for other candidates this is a crucial chance to give their campaign a boost. and potentially break away from the pact. and talking about the debate strategy, the candidate seem determined not to let you see them swipe. >> well, i have experience with nationally televised debates. it's different with a group on stage.

look, i'm gonna be me. >> you get hard questions, you gotta give the two answers. that's the best debate prep i can hope for. >> you're on the stage, listen to the questions that are asked. and try to answer them honestly indirectly. i'll listen to the other things that the other candidates say. if i think the said something stupid, all go get them. >> my political panel joins me. now analysts tim miller is a writer at large at the bulwark, he was communications director for jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign. and reecie colbert, political commentator and sirius xm host. tammy, you were working for jeb bush when donald trump skipped the republican debate in 2016. how would you advise these candidates about how to conduct themselves on wednesday night in the shadows of an absent front runner? >> we learned one thing in 2016. which doesn't what doesn't work when it comes to donald trump.

and what doesn't work is trying to pretend that he's not there. hoping that in the end the race will end up in -- and then when it's lake, tequila take come on and beat him. everyone in 2016 tied the data, ted cruz, -- they all lost. do we know for sure that they're taking donald trump -- when it work, now. it might be such that the republican base is so devoted to him that there is no strategy. but it's confusing that all of these candidates in a crowded field are mimicking the same thing that didn't work eight years ago, asked if there were in a coma when it was happening. >> reecie, in months of seeing his campaign high pipe, rhonda santas hasn't made any moves to narrow the lead. how does here any of the candidates use this debate to breakthrough rather than sitting in a coma as jonathan says?

>> let's be honest, ron desantis's campaign is flopping and flailing. he along with others are pretty much auditioning to be the vice president. that's why you don't see them really going against donald trump. you have a few of them like governor asa hundreds and, and governor chris christie, that are there to stop him from becoming the hot nominee. but they don't have the chance either. what i would say for rhonda scent is is that it's a bit too late for him to pivot from his extremely radical record. he should try to do what he can to end up as the number two in the tica. >> jonathan, what with that receives has in mind. the nomination is one state by state, delegate by delegate. if you look at national polling averages from 5:38, trump's nearly 40% ahead of his closest competitor, ron desantis. do you expect candidates at the debate are gonna focus on desantis to get more attainable second place spot that the sand is apparently is going for? >> i think so.

everybody that was around in 2016 warned about, as things started to get big. they don't want donald trump to be the republican canada. you're gonna end up having a crowded field, will be a strategic question that will eventually reach all candidates which is what should i do. and the best thing to do the most sensible thing to do is to attack the person in second. because they don't have the devoted fan base that donald trump has. what everyone predicted was gonna happen was playing out. i expect desantis will get -- vivek ramaswamy, and he'll give more than donald trump well. it's pretty safe bet on wednesday. >> reecie, as tim says donald trump has a cultish out -- many of the candidates are taking great pains not to criticize trump. the exception of course is chris christie. how could he use his unique

position within this feel to his advantage as he goes after the end candidates on the debate stage? >> supposedly, there is a legion of republicans that are looking for someone who's not donald trump. however, the problem with that is that 74% of the republicans want somebody like donald trump, maybe even if it's not him. chris christie has to break the needle between being the anti trump and being the trump alternative. what he's trying to do is run a campaign as the facts matter to the republican base, as though policy matters. and that's not gonna resonate. where he could be effective if he wants to see trump not being the nominee is doing what he can to take him down. i don't know if he has a path to nomination himself. >>, tim trump is trying to set up counter programming, scheduling an interview with -- compete with this debate. but carlson no longer how it's a major primetime show. what are the chances that an interview like this will get

the kind of eyeballs and audiences that donald trump wants? >> yeah, i don't think it's gonna be that successful as a counter programming. if you look at it based on the ratings on wednesday night, they'll be some donald trump super fans, and tucker carlson super fans that tune into that instead of the debate. those folks will be with donald trump anyway. and people who are still looking around, they'll tune into the debate. where he can take the spotlight away from what happens on stage if you end up with a ten-person stage, nine persons stage, with a very boring -- without a lot of backdrop. and trump and tucker can make more news, that's what we discuss in the following days. >> one more question, well, former republican congressman and current presidential candidate, will hurd, hasn't yet qualified for the first republican debate. he did have some advice for his opponents that did. let's take a listen. >> free advice to the other

candidates, donald trump is leading in the polls, he's your opponent, kissing his but won't help you, won't help you when. >> tim, this is sage advice, you said it yourself. is there any chances that these candidates will heed this advice? >> i don't think. so the look at will hurd, will hurd didn't make the debate that we shouldn't be listening to this guy. i wish it was true, that we lived in a world where will hurd would like us 11. but we don't. you'll hear a lot of slavish support for donald trump. and repeating donald trump -- when it comes to the recent indictments. >> tim miller, reecie colbert, thank you so much. up next, we're tracking tropical storm hilary path through the west coast. officials with the national hurricane center is gonna join me next to talk about unique threat that this historic storm poses to this region. again, it's a region not known for these kind of intense

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>> we are facing with a lot of families, the loss, we're still grieving. we need that -- we need to find closure before we look at whether we vote from here. >> joining us now to discuss, hawaii state representative detroit hashimoto. thank you for joining us. first off, we are sorry about the challenges in your home state, as somebody raised on maui, have you and family and friends been directly represented? >> everybody knows somebody. a family that has been impacted, i think that the devastation is tremendous. you can't understand how much is burned out until you go there. pictures don't give you the feeling of what it is on the

ground. our heart is with everybody that lost a loved one. that is the most tragic part about this entire event. i think we are standing together, and the community is supported. we have to work for the town, recently -- >> the speaking of resiliency, there's a lot here. a number of your constituents have not been recovered. what are you hearing from the neighbors about their search for their loved ones and hopes of recovering? >> everyone has a story. when you talk about friends and neighbors, it's a unique story. is very tragic, and everyone is dealing with it in their own particular way. i think that when you take a look at the number of how many bodies they found, i think that it is a small number compared to the amount they are actually missing. i think that if you're lucky enough to get some of those -- you can get some closure. but what i'm worried about is people still on the missing list. they might not get that proper

closure. they will have to cross the bridge when we figure out once they get to 100 percent searching the area. what are we doing with the next steps? dealing with those families that need that closure to begin their healing process. >> part of the healing process begins with the president biden's visit, and i understand that you will be with the president during part of that visit. what messages from your constituents will you be sharing with the president? >> at this juncture, the presidents presence means a lot to the community. it's a small community, but i think that the federal governments relief will be very much appreciated. he sent this over a federal -- eye thousand federal workers, as the first step. we have to remember it's a marathon, not a sprint. we are going to be recovering for many years ahead of us. we need his continued support, the administration's support. i think that we owe a lot to be built methodically, community members have expressed their need to heal, their time to

plan. in the interim, we need that federal support. it's going to cost millions and millions of dollars to rebuild. we are going to be counting on the federal government. it's this one community that is not going to be able to do it on our own. >> a big part of the recovery, it seems, will be answering some unanswered questions about the government response to this disaster, as you, no molly's emergency management chief stepped down only one day after defending the agency's decision not to sound emergency sirens meant to alert residents to seek higher ground. going forward, how can we make sure that something like this never happens again, and how can federal assist hawaii and making sure that that's the case. >> i think that at the end of the day, it's a freak accident. a lot of the government response, it was the best we could do at the time. there is going to be a lot of discussions moving forward, how we can be more prepared. i think that there is a lot more that we can do. we are going to be having to ask the community what's the big desire, i think we just saw it in california, one of the

biggest asks was making sure that they had a robust alarm system. i think that we are going to have to rethink how we use alarm systems, and with those people without power, without cell service, and relying on cell phones to get notifications. when that goes out, what do we do? we never really thought about that. and i think that there was some surface level, but i think that this was a disaster of epic proportions that unfortunately, we need to do better. we need to make sure that this doesn't happen again. i think that other states can learn about this as, well and we can all be prepared for disasters. >> final question, very quickly, there are a number of people displaced from their homes. what can be done for those individuals going forward? what's the best way that our viewers can help? >> at this juncture, we are trying to close down most of the emergency shelters at our local gyms. i think that the visitor industry has stunted us tremendously to -- at least until march.

and so i think that that is the first step. it's the first tranche of the contract being signed. i think that at least they are not in a gym and sharing space with others. at least they have their private space now. i think that the rebuilding process will be important. we know that when the rebuilding process takes place, it's lengthy. they will have to find some sort of median long term housing. i don't think it's ideal for people in hotel rooms. i think that the last phase of recovery is to figure out how to house these people without having to leave the island, and stay on maui. i think those wishing to help, we need to make it available, and he showed short-term rentals, any -- at some, point the governor is wanting to ring in quick bill housing to get people into real housing in the interim, where their homes are being rebuilt. those wanting to, help that's an area where you can help with it. that rebuilding process, you need to sponsor the family to get into a more quickly built home. i think it's all of us coming together to help with that

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this is the part of the show where we turn to our culture critics, and dig into the tv that's been brewing in your group chats. first we kick things off with an update on keke palmer's a boyfriend drama. the actress and singer has starred in ushers video for his new song titled, boyfriend. palmer posted a clint from the video on her instagram. let's take a look. ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ >> -- we all remember when the father of kyky son publicly shamed or for what he characterized as not a mom out of it. which she wore to ushers las vegas residency. incidentally, it seems both usher and kyky are winning because the residency's been extended until the end of this year. but to break all this down let's bring in our culture critics, donie -- donny meacham -- and chris witherspoon the ceo of pop fears, and entertainment contributor. chris, was palmer always knows how to turn a negative into a positive. how did she spin these livens and make some great assure lemonade? >> [laughter] i love that, melissa, it's one thing to have the streets talking. but for something to have multi

generations talking, it's so great with this new music video, boyfriend. keke palmer is in her twenties and ushers well into his 40s. they really have the streets talking. she also has merchandise out right now with this phrase, i'm a mother. because of various people calling her out. it's growing, she's so talented i met her many times, i love seeing her grow up and stand in her womanhood. and stand under motherhood, and my one big question is are you getting a share of the -- it's because of her i think in assures talent. the fact that she has this week talking -- to the store. >> i'm gonna take issue with the fact that assures 40. i remember when he was also 20. but donny, this needs to be the epitome of what sorry to this man means. what are your thoughts here is keke coming out on top with all of this? >> yeah, keke is a national treasure. --

she's like, all right, we're not together anymore. he publicly shamed me. i'm gonna start a music video with usher. we've been in the business a long time. but all presses good press. and having talks, we talked about usher in a long time. now we're all talking about usher and he's in vegas. this is the new normal. artists are gonna do residencies. don't go to them, have them come to you. that's what's happening. >> and he's selling out in vegas. let's switch gears. former and of style star, michael oher, whose life story inspired at the oscar winning film the blind side is now claiming that the couple that took him in, shawn and leanne tuohy misled him into tiny ways legal rights and entering into a conservatorship. which he believes had the effect of illegal adoption. oher it came into tennessee court that the tuohy's, and their adult birth children range paid more than $225,000 from the movie. well he earned nothing. chris, the legal team for the

tuohy family spoke out saying that oher has no -- legally adopted. and instead was under conservatorship. i think we're all a little blindsided by this turn of events. was this a surprise to you? >> it was a big surprise. i was blindsided. i love the film. i love me some sandy bay. i was hurt that this movie, this oscar winning film is this legacy now. i will say i've watched this interview game -- he talked michael oher talked about how he's 23 years old when the film came out. he said even then he tried to speak out. and he has a new book out right now. he tried to speak out, he wanted to set the record straight, he was not a literate -- the tuohy's didn't save his life a rescue ham. we need to really keep into account hollywood when we make these kind of films. if the person is alive, how them come on as producer. he was old enough to be

involved in telling his own story. which is very unfortunate that that's the way that folks will recall the film now. >> nbc is reporting that there tuohy's say they're now willing to end the conservatorship. the couple also called these allegations, hurtful. and in attempt at quote unquote, shakedown. donny, what are your thoughts on all this, quickly. >> it's interesting that as an adult why are they still under conservatorship. that to me is the most shocking thing. we all feel like michael de, and if we were allied tear. i think that's the bigger issue here, and conservatorship's, like with britney, nobody truly understands what it means. >> donny meacham and chris with a screen, so much t, so little time. thank you for joining me. thank all of you for watching symone, i'm melissa murray in for symone sanders townsend, you can catch symone on msnbc weekends at four pm eastern and anytime over on peacock.

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