ago giving outstanding direction, and i don't want to say nothing, alex, but maybe take a day off, let emma slide in there. >> yeah, exactly. >> there it is. >> there you go, just hand the keys t control room to lila and emma, and that does it for us this morning, bye, girls, thanks for being on today. ana cabrera picks up the coverage right now. right now on "ana cabrera reports," four more trump co-defendants surrender in fwa. the suspense building in atlanta as 13 others face a friday deadline to turn themselves in including donald trump. rudy giuliani, trump's former lawyer is on his way to georgia at this moment after speaking to reporters outside his manhattan home. >> i'm going to georgia and i'm feeling very, very good about it because i feel like i'm defending the rights of all americans. >> plus, trump's republican

rivals preparing for the first primary debate tonight as a brand new poll paints a new picture of the field. heat wave in the heartland, a midwest roasting under triple digit temperatures, just as wildfires in washington state continue to threaten people and property. we'll have the latest coming up. it is 10:00 eastern, thanks so much for being there. i'm ana cabrera reporting from new york. we begin with breaking news out of georgia where four more of donald trump's co-defendants surrendered at atlanta's rice street jail within just the last few hours, so a total of six now booked, and we have mug shots of the first few to get booked. we still have 13 surrenders to go including trump himself as we await his surrender tomorrow. we're going to hear that rudy giuliani's trialing to atlanta.

we will know this afternoon whether mark meadows will be allowed to delay his surrender to authorities. also joining us is cynthia alksne, former federal prosecutor and david aronberg, what more do we know about giuliani now traveling to atlanta and any other people that may surrender today? >> right, we know that rouge, ana, is actively en route from new york here to georgia where ultimately to our understanding he and his counsel will be negotiating a bond agreement with a district attorney's office before ultimately agreeing to come here to the fulton county jail to surf rend you are. our producer adam reiss is getting word that john exposito has agreed to represent rudy giuliani, there will also be local counsel involved here. for rudy giuliani, this is somebody who over the last days has been actively engaged in

conversations trying to find georgia counsel who could represent him here in the courts. he has until friday to surrender, but we expect in hours ahead for him to not only appear at the courthouse but also potentially the jail here just about 15 minutes down the road from there. we also know that kenneth chesebro, one of the trump attorneys who is credited, if you may, for launching the fake electors scheme and is laid out in the indictment as one of those 19 co-defendants, he is here at the jail as we speak. there is no indication he has left his booking here at this time, but in the middle of the morning, there was also former georgia gop chairman david shafer who appeared before the jail as well as kathy latham who was one of the individuals alleged to have allowed contractors to come in and tamper with voting machines here. so this is a fast-moving process. we also know that donald trump

not only is expected to come tomorrow, but we don't expect him to come until later tomorrow night, you know, well into the evening closer to sundown here at the jail. this is a process in which we still expect donald trump to go through the typical process that other defendants have, which would include fingerprinting, potentially even a mug shot, each of the defendants that have come in so far have had to go through that process. this is still very much an active scene in the heart of atlanta. >> and cynthia, out of everyone who's in trump's inner circle, giuliani has debatedly suffered the worst fall from grace. reportedly had to are travel to bedminster to ask trump for money to cover legal fees. what do you make of his role as this trial gets underway. >> he's charged with 13 counts. the same as trump. he is in huge trouble. not only is he in factual trouble because everybody is going to pile on, frankly -- everybody below piles on as it

goes up, right? we're already beginning to sea that finger pointing. we have mr. shaeffer already pointing his fingers up to the trump lawyers. everybody will be looking at giuliani. he's a natural target for everyone else. he has a factual problem. he has a huge financial problem, he's now having to go to trump to beg for money. if he has to beg trump for money to do this fundraiser to help pay for his fees, that makes him beholden to trump, which makes him not able to be as independent as he needs to be to protect himself in any way, shape, or form. so he is in big trouble in georgia, and i would expect eventually he's also going to be indicted in d.c. by jack smith. >> and dave, we just got this reporting that vaughn mentioned from a source familiar with trump's plans that he will be traveling to atlanta tomorrow afternoon to turn himself in tomorrow night. what will you be watching for as

trump gets ready to turn himself in? >> ana, i think the big question is whether we're going to see a mug shot. donald trump has not taken a mug shot in his other cases. people want to see if he's going to be treated like everyone else. there is a reason he's not taken a mug shot. it's the fact that mug shots generally are used in case a defendant flees, in case he becomes a fugitive. when you have the most famous/infamous person in the world, there's really no risk he's going to go underground ask not be noticed. but the sheriff there in fulton county says he's going to be treated light everyone else. let's see if he gets the mug shot, i know that he will be fingerprinted. that's happened in his other cases, but for the rest of us, we'll see how much special treatment that he gets. >> vaughn, walk us through this 3:00 p.m. deadline for d.a. fani willis to respond to mark med

ows request for an emergency stay. >> fani willis rejected mark meadows request to have his period of opportunity to surrender pushed back to next week, and in response to her rejection, mark meadows went to the judge, the judge then in turn ordered fani willis' office to essentially lay off their case as to why they need him to surrender and go through this booking process before friday. mark meadows contests he should have the opportunity to present his case about why a federal court should hear this trial as opposed to here in the county, and so this 3:00 p.m. deadline set up as mark meadows opportunity essentially to push back or i should say fani willis to push back against mark meadows' request here. we're now just learning that

last night at bedminster, donald trump took part in a fundraiser for a group helping fund legal counsel for january 6th defendants. those defendants are not these individuals here in georgia who have been charged but instead those who were charged with being on the grounds at the capitol. for donald trump this is a concerted effort to defend those -- perhaps not financially defend but at least defend those others who have also been charged around the events of january 6th. >> it sounds like donald trump is still trying to make this a team sport. meadows wants this stay as he's awaiting a decision from a separate judge. he's also moved to have the case dismissed entirely, the case out of georgia citing presidential immunity. are either of these moves likely to go anywhere? >> well, first, the issue on whether or not he should have to go ahead and be arrested, the federal removal statute really addresses that. it says that the federal case should continue to go forward. i mean, the state case should continue to go forward while the

federal judge makes a ruling. so no, i don't think he's going to win that, and i also don't think he's going to win the removal at all. the federal removal statute is about when federal employees are doing federal work, like classically like let's say an fbi agent is doing an arrest, and the state decides, oh, we don't like the way you did that arrest, and so we're going to sue you in state court. the fbi can say i was doing -- i was executing a warrant, that's my legal job. that's what i was supposed to be doing and it gets removed and dismissed. this is a different situation. meadows' job was not to run state elections in georgia. his job was not to run a coup in georgia. his job was not to pressure the secretary of state to make up and find votes that were not there. so i do not think he will be successful in the removal and moreover, i don't think he'll be successful right away in

stopping his arrest. he's going to have to be treated like everybody else. he and clark are going to knead to go to that fulton county jail or there will be a warrant issued for their arrest, one in which they richly deserve. >> meadows has been religiously avoiding talking to the press for months now. "the new york times" took a bigger look at how he's pursued a high wire legal strategy when it comes to trump inquiries writing where the former president repeatedly ranted about the weaponization of the justice system, mr. meadows went quiet, staying off tv and refusing to call his former boss. mr. trump lashed out at investigators on his tail, attacking them at each turn, but mr. meadows sought to build relationships when and where he could. what's your assessment of meadows' legal strategy? has he made the right calculations? >> it seemed to be working until the indictment came out in georgia in and he was named as one of the co-conspirators, so that's when you could say that

meadows may have miscalculated because if you're going to cooperate with the feds and get a deal and avoid being part of the indictment, you better make sure you're covered at the state level too, but apparently his lawyer did not make sure he got immunity at the state level so there he is named in the indictment or it's possible that he didn't give up enough information to the feds, left something out, which left him open to be prosecuted at the state level. i think that if you look back at it, you're going to see this is a major miscue for mark meadows. he could still face prison time. >> and we don't know that he has immunity at the federal level. we'll wait and see where things go from here, dave aronberg, cynthia alksne, and vaughn hillyard, i appreciate all of you. now to a new legal twist spelling trouble for the former president in the federal classified documents case. a key witness apparently changed his testimony after he switched

lawyers from one paid by trump's save america pac to a public defender. yusil tavares denied or claimed he continue recall conversations about deleting security footage from inside mar-a-lago, but after switching lawyers, he told investigators there was a scheme to delete that footage and implicated trump. nbc's ken dilanian has more now for us. ken, this seems to be a significant development. >> good morning, ana, it absolutely is, this filing by special counsel jack smith confirming what we suspected when the superseding indictment was issued last month, which was that he was cooperating. hiss testimony was described in the superseding indictment implicating donald trump and co-defendants walt nauta and mr. de oliveira, but now we know from the special counsel's words in a court filing that what

happened was when he was being represented by a lawyer who was being paid by the trump organization, he lied to the grand jury. that's what they're alleging. but then when he got a federal public defender he changed his story and confirmed that mr. trump was discussing with his employees destroying surveillance footage that was under a grand jury subpoena, which the special counsel says was obstruction of justice. what's so significant about this is that the co-defendants in this case, walt nauta and carlos de oliveira are in the same situation. they allegedly lie, but they are being represented by lawyers paid for by the trump organization and so farther standing strong with mr. trump everyone as they face years in prison. >> so ken, i guess i wonder about that initial lawyer. could he face any potential consequences for potentially doing something unethical? >> it would depend on what the i.t. guy who's now -- who has

flipped, what he tells prosecutors about whether that lawyer tried to shape his testimony in any way. there's no evidence that that happened, but if he made those allegations, that could be a problem for this lawyer, but there's also an issue with the special counsel. the judge in florida, aileen cannon is questioning why the special counsel used a washington, d.c., grand jury when the case was preceding under a florida grand jury. she hasn't made a ruling on this yet. it could be a problem for both sides of this case, ana. >> thank you very much for that update. when we're back in just 60 seconds, the first republican presidential debate is tonight. what can the contender do to stand out among the crowded field, or will the absent front runner dominate the conversation? steve kornacki takes us back to some 2016 debate moments that could provide some clues. plus, an emotional county meeting in maui in the aftermath of hawaii's fires. >> we've lost our people. we've lost our homes, and for

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let's talk about the debate tonight. set the stage for us. >> reporter: well, look, this is an event where the former president is not present, but he is making his presence felt as much as possible. nbc has learned from an aide close to the campaign that says that they're actually going to be counting the number of times that his name is mentioned because they assume, as we all do, that it absolutely will be brought up. we know the hosts are going to be asking these candidates about the former president, and look, ana, as i've been out on the campaign trail, i've watched as these candidates have tried to form late their message when it come to the former president and many of them have struggled. they've tried to do the indirect jabs, the subtle hits, but they have not often gone directly after trump with the exception of a few, like chris christie. he's the one that is more likely to go head on tonight, but how are they going to do this on the biggest stage they've had, and this is when they're going to have to face this head on. florida governor ron desantis,

of course, the former president's top rival is going to be the one with the biggest target on his back. he's expected to take a lot of arrows from the other candidates, but he could potentially along with these others have an opportunity. at the same time as trump is looming large over the stage, this could also be an event where these candidates could showcase what a post-trump political world could look like. and that is what they might be able to take advantage of here tonight so florida governor desantis, vivek ramaswamy who doesn't have as much name i.d. as desantis could have a moment to shine tonight. one notable question mark for tonight is governor doug burgum, he injured his leg playing basketball yesterday. he was taken to a local emergency room. he was discharged. it's not clear if he's going to be able to stand for the two-hour event tonight. we'll see where that story line

develops. this is a huge opportunity for him as well who doesn't have a lot of name i.d., is a lesser known candidate so where that lands is still not clear. >> wow, unsure if he'll be able to stand for that entire time, sounds like a serious injury. we're working to get more information on that. >> andrew yang you were in a similar position on a crowded debate stage, trying to get your name ou there. what are you looking for from these candidates and what do they need to do to get their message across? >> i feel terrible for doug burgum, it's like a nightmare to injure yourself the day before. i hope he convalesces quickly. if you look at the order of candidates on the stage, the few folks in the middle are ron desantis and vivek ramaswamy. he has made his mark through podcast sps earned media, but most americans still have not seen or heard from him.

tonight is going to be a massive opportunity for him. i think the second candidate i saw tonight as a great opportunity for is doug burgum who is also very, very low name i.d., he has a message that would appeal to a lot of folks who haven't heard from him. i hope doug makes the stage. i think this is going to be a story between ron and vivek. >> that will be interesting. so jennifer, donald trump will not be on that debate stage. nbc news reports that fox news will be limiting the amount of press passes for donald trump's campaign team tonight in milwaukee. fox is the host of tonight's debate. will the debate stage tonight reflect where the future of the republican party is headed? >> well, first, let me just be very clear. donald trump may not be physically on the debate stage tonight, but he's going to be all over the debate. he owns that debate tonight. everything that gets said, every question that's asked, every answer that is given will be

somehow about donald trump, and anybody who's tuning in to watch it will be measuring every single one of these candidates against trump, and for the overwhelming majority of republican voters, they will be measuring how close to donald trump these candidates can get. are they authoritarian enough? are they narcissistic enough? are they mean enough? think about all the things that the voters in the republican party love about donald trump, that's what they're going to be measuring these candidates against tonight, and in that way, yes, i think we probably -- you know, it probably does reflect the future of the republican party, and you know, to andrew's point about vivek and the governor, there are a number of candidates on that stage tonight who are not well-known, who do not have great name i.d. or people -- the voters just don't know who they are or what they're about. but i have to say even in the face of that, i think you're

going to leave this debate tonight with donald trump right where he is, well ahead of everybody. >> andrew, we have more of our nbc news des moines register poll out of iowa, and the majority of republicans in that state say they would be less likely to vote for a candidate who aggressively goes after trump for his legal issues. they would be more likely to vote for candidates focused on tougher border security that got the highest level of support, 65% also say they're more likely to back a candidate who fights -- and i'm quoting here -- the left's woke agenda. your reaction to that? >> it's not surprising, and i think it's one reason why vivek ramaswamy is doing so well. he literally wrote a book called "woke inc.." least done a great job of appealing to the republican base without running afoul of trump's supporters. he's fresh. he's new.

he's an entrepreneur. there are a lot of folks in the republican voting electorate that just really want someone who isn't of the establishment, isn't institutional. what's fun about watching republican candidates is that even if they've been part of the establishment for a long time, they contort themselves into being antiestablishment, whereas someone like vivek and to some extent doug burgum are generally outside looking in, i don't think people think of north dakota as particularly close to the beltway, which is where doug's from and vivek has been outside of police almost entirely, which makes him a a very appealing figure. there are a lot of folks who underestimate vivek because he hasn't held elected office and he's from the outside. look at the republican choice in 2016, it was an outsider and obviously i think they got it very wrong with donald trump, but you can't underestimate that appeal in a republican base that is more and more anti-institutional. >> well, i know you were an outsider in that 2020 race when

you talk about the establishment, so you've been in that spot, in that kind of position. i can understand why you relate to somebody like ramaswamy, i want to show everybody one of the new biden campaign billboards that are out there in tandem with the debate timing here. you can see them leaning into the meme here, quote, i'm bringing roe back. what do you make of this effort by the democrats? >> well, i have to say, i've actually been kind of impressed with what we've seen out of the biden campaign recently, you know, some of their ads, their videos, the approach that they're taking, it's more dynamic, more clever than what i think people have expected from joe biden, but in this particular case, he's taking advantage -- this is an opportunity for him. there's going to be a lot of attention on the stage on the debate tonight, roe will almost -- will certainly especially, you know, with iowa,

you know, being first, everyone focused on iowa. roe will be a big conversation on that stage tonight, and i think that what we see the biden campaign doing, taking advantage of that to get his message across to his voters, to his base, and frankly, when it comes to roe in particular, there are republican voters, we know, who were moved by that issue in the midterms who will continue to be moved by that issue in the presidential election. i think it's smart, i think it was a smart move. >> jennifer horn, andrew yang, got to leave it there, thank you both so much. and tune in tonight at 11:00 p.m. eastern to watch rachel maddow, joy reid, nicolle wallace and company all giving their analysis following the debate. next on "ana cabrera reports," heat wave in the heartland. the dangerously high temperatures hitting the midwest. plus, growing fears and frustration in maui in the aftermath of the wildfires.

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welcome back. more than half the country this week is under the threat of potentially deadly or extremely destructive weather. if you're in the pacific northwest, it's wildfires, and 100 million people across the midwest and the south are suffering punishing heat. nbc's maggie vespa is in chicago, a city that will feel this heat for several straight days. maggie, tell us all about it. >> things definitely heating up here in chicago, temperatures expected today to top out around 98 degrees. that would shatter a record set back in 1947, and speaking of, this heat wave by monday expected to shatter 170 heat records across the eastern half of the u.s. basically it's the latest layer in this summer's severe weather saga that is still impacting millions out west. this morning as the summer of

severe weather rolls on, there's a push across the midwest to protect the vulnerable from extreme heat. >> people will try to beat the heat, but the heat will eventually beat you. >> reporter: firefighters installing air conditioners for the elderly. >> sometimes our elderly that were born prior to air-conditioning think that they can still make it because they went through these things when they were young, but they're no longer young. >> reporter: with heat indexes in cities like minneapolis and chicago soaring as high as 111 degrees this week, many schools across the region are closing as a precaution, including in mason, ohio. >> trs like multiple fans trying to blow heat out, but it's not working. >> reporter: in eastern washington, two major wildfires are threatening homes. rain has provided some relief to crews fighting the gray fire near spokane but not enough to put out the flames. two people have died and 200 homes lost. >> we're in the lineup of cars trying to evacuate.

in their rear view you see houses burning. >> reporter: tropical storm harold battering south texas, while in southern california they're still digging out of the mud tropical storm hilary left behind. >> sad that we have to go through all of this. >> search and rescue crews combing the san bernardino national forest where a woman is missing after a mud slide. nature's fury in all its forms threatening lives and livelihoods from coast to coast. a lot to watch across the country. back here in the midwest, heat during the summer is not unusual, but to kind of put this in perspective, a lot of places across the region will be 20 degrees above their average, so basically, this is the latest extreme temperature swing that's become more common amid our climate crisis. back to you. >> maggie vespa, thanks so much. now to developments out of hawaii where the fbi now says up to a thousand people are still missing after the wildfires, just days after local officials

said that the number was down to 850. now, the death toll still remains at 115. this as dozens of maui residents expressed their collective rage last night at a county council meeting. this is the first time many had the chance to address elected officials since these fires. >> why did you run if you're not going to step up to the plate when we need you the most. >> and i will say the community has shown up first and foremost in this disaster. i think we all can agree on that but government bodies need to catch up. >> nbc's steve patterson joins us from maui now. it's been two weeks, why this discrepancy over how many people are missing? >> reporter: you know, ana, i wish i had a better answer than this just happens, but this just happens. it happened when i covered the campfire in paradise five years ago. these lists are disparate.

they are separate. a lot of times they contain incomplete information, last names missing, ages missing, genders missing, a lot of times names will be doubled up from different lists. they're compiled by counties. they're compiled by agencies, and when you smush them all together, you're going to lose a lot of information. that's what's happened here. when families check in and provide names, other families don't have that information, then the list kind of either goes up or it goes down, and that's what's happened here. certainly not to this dramatic level, and i think a lot of families are upset that the list keeps fluctuating. unfortunately until they're able to get more information from in the ground during that search, this is just going to keep happening. >> we could hear that frustration in the meeting last night. what do people want to see from the government response that they're not getting. >> reporter: yeah, look, a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that people are scared.

they're nervous about what's going to happen with housing, about the government assistance that they're getting. they're coming off of losing a loved one or losing their home. they're not happy with the response. it's considered either to be slow or lacking as far as notification during the fire, and they want to know what's happening next. and i think a lot of that comes from what they consider a breakdown in communication. that's the number one thing we heard, that they want more interfacing from their public official. we spoke to a fire battalion chief who spoke about just that. listen to this. >> of paramount importance in my estimation right now is for these elected officials, these council members to be visible and accessible to the people that were affected. they really, you know, if you don't have information, then you try and piece together, you try and make it up for yourself, and oftentimes that's going to leave you with an incomplete picture. the faster we can get this information and resources and show our strength as a community through our community leaders,

through our elected officials out to our communities that's what will best serve and keep everybody not necessarily in good spirits because this has been so challenging. >> reporter: and so the mayor, the governor, and other city and state officials have promised a more open dialogue doing more addresses either on social media or directly in person, and then having more meetings just like this, so people can air their grievances. >> we saw some cars going behind you and the roadblocks that are still in place, it just sort of emphasizes how difficult it is for anybody there to get back to some sense of normalcy right now, and obviously the ongoing searches are also top of mind. up next on "ana cabrera reports," what could the 2024 candidates learn from the 2016 debates. steve kornacki is here to break down big moments with and without trump.

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only at togo's as we look ahead to tonight's debate, we want to look back at some key moments from the 2016 campaign. moments that could give us a sense of how tonight's debate and future debates could impact the race for the republican nomination. and joining us for this closer look at those standout moments in debate history is nbc news national political correspondent steve kornacki. okay, let's talk about moment number one, trump's not at the debate, and the other contenders try to capitalize, right? >> it's the big story. tonight trump won't be there and worth remembering, we've been there before. this was january 2016, days before the iowa caucuses. trump was leading in the polls. it was a fox debate. he was miffed at fox, and he said, you know what? i'm not showing up. and just like tonight, even though he wasn't there, his presence loomed over that

debate. >> okay. let's watch. >> so let's get started. senator cruz, before we get to the issues, let's address the elephant not in the room tonight. donald trump has chosen not to attend this evening's presidential debate. what message do you think that sends to the voters of iowa? >> now, secondly, let me say i'm a maniac and everyone on this stage is stupid, fat, and ugly, and ben, you're a terrible surgeon. now that we've gotten the donald trump portion out of the way -- [ laughter ] i want to thank everyone here for showing the men and women of iowa the respect to show up and make the case to the people of this state and the people of the country why each of us believe we would make the best commander in chief. >> flashback. >> and you know, ana, a couple

of days later ted cruz won the iowa caucuses. donald trump lost and the trump campaign thought ultimately it had been a mistake to skip that debate. we'll see if somebody rises up after that debate tonight and triggers the same response from trump. >> so moment number two, the possibility here trump returns later this cycle and what he could do. let's watch a moment where he tries to capitalize on, again, his presence being there, being part of the conversation. >> yeah, why not go back to the very first debate he ever participated in, this is august 2015. the very first question to him was a pointed question that a lot of people thought was going to damage him. here's how he handled it. >> mr. trump, one of the things people love about you is you speak your mind and you don't use a politician's filter. however, that is not without its downsides, in particular when it comes to women. you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals.

your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell. [ laughter ] >> no, it wasn't. >> your twitter account -- >> thank you. >> for the record, it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. >> yes, i'm sure it was. your twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. you once told a celebrity contestant on the apprentice, it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. how will you answer the charge from hillary clinton who is likely to be the democratic nominee that you are part of the war on women? >> i think the big problem this country has is being politically correct. i've been -- [ cheers and applause ] >> boy, oh, boy, did that set the tone. >> i mean, the defiance, and then if you remember in the aftermath of that, he went after

megyn kelly and he went up in the polls, and i think that's the trump you saw in every subsequent debate, and really that's the trump we've seen for the last eight years. >> the christie factor is moment number three today. he is a former federal prosecutor, which he brings to the debate stage. >> very interestingly, he didn't do much in 2016 in terms of his own support, but arguably he altered the course of that race. trump lost iowa in 2016, new hampshire comes next, marco rubio was surging in new hampshire, and people were asking what if trump loses new hampshire and iowa, 0 for 2 in the first two, would it be over for trump. here it is the saturday night before the new hampshire primary and rubio's on stage and chris christie is on stage, and here's what happens. >> let's roll it. >> marco, the thing is this, when you're president of the united states, when you're a governor of the state, the

memorized 30 second speech where you talk about how great america is at the end of it doesn't solve one problem. >> this notion that barack obama doesn't know what he's doing, that's not true. >> there it is, the memorized 30 second speech. >> i think this is an important point. >> okay, so what's the big takeaway there? >> it killed marco rubio's momentum. donald trump won new hampshire a few days later. that sort of put his campaign back on a steady course. christie left the race shortly thereafter, endorsed trump. christie never gave trump that treatment in 2016. that you just saw him give marco rubio. he now is itching to do it to donald trump. he's not going to get a chance tonight, but christie wants that chance later on in a subsequent debate. it will be very interesting if they end up on a debate together, how does christie handle it and how does trump respond. trump never had to respond to that kind of prosecutorial

attack from christie in 2016. >> what happens on that debate stage can be make or break. thank you for that walk down memory lane. >> you got it. >> and of course chris christie will be on the stage again tonight with seven other contenders. you see them all there. what do they need to do? republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, susan del percio is joining us now. susan, steve mentioned how christie all but squashed rubio's momentum going into new hampshire. so which of the candidates do you think he's going to go after on that debate stage tonight? >> well, he will go after trump, at least for one or two hits because -- >> even though trump's not there. >> he just can't help himself. but i think desantis will get most of his air. desantis matches kind of that rubio, he answers woke for everything, so i think christie will jump on it, and especially this is christie's time. he has to talk about himself a little bit and what he has to offer the country. >> desantis needs to get some momentum, right? so what does he need to do?

>> first not freeze like he did in his 2022 gubernatorial debate. he was really caught off guard. he's not known as a strong debater. i don't know what he can really do in this debate to really help him out of his flailing campaign. it's more an issue of can he not harm himself. >> do you think he has the most on the line or somebody else? >> i think tim scott has the most on the line. he's the one who's getting a fresh look. a lot of people have started to write off desantis. they're looking to tim scott, but they don't know him and they want to see if he's ready for prime time. he has a good story, they know he's very nice, what else do you have? what is he going to bring? and now tonight is the night that he has to stand up and really deliver. >> i appreciate all of that, thank you so much for those quick hits, susan del percio. up next, high wire drama, how rescuers managed to save seven children and a teacher

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one by one, a-list clients of one of music industry's most powerful managers are looking for new representation. it appears that scooter braun won't be repping demi lovato and

there are others. our new entertainment correspondent chloe mellas is joining us now. chloe, nice to see you again. >> good to see you. >> reunited at last. what is going on here? what is the back story? >> this has been a story people have been watching nonstop for the -- almost 48 hours now. you probably remember scooter braun for having all of these high profile clients and very infamous feud with taylor swift and it looks like a lot of his clients, it is a mass exodus. this morning, a major shake-up in the music industry. some top stars distancing themselves from powerful manager scooter braun. ♪ baby, baby, baby oh ♪ >> reporter: braun is well known for discovering justin bieber and his rift with taylor swift. a source close to the situation telling nbc news the 42-year-old

has amicaby parted ways with those artists. a possible rift between braun and bieber and grande senting the internet into a frenzy. the source saying both are still under contract, adding that braun has been stepping back from manager duties and focusing on his role as ceo of a south korean entertainment company. >> he outgrew managing artists. ♪ karma is my boyfriend ♪ >> reporter: it comes after braun's rift with one of music's biggest stars, taylor swift, who has been in the spotlight again during this summer of taylor, as the superstar sells out stadiums across the country. in 2019, the singer claims braun acquired the rights to her first six albums without her consent. >> scooter never contacted me or my team to discuss it prior to the sale or even when it was announced. i'm fairly certain he knew exactly how i would feel about

it though. >> reporter: braun denied the allegations. >> what i learned from that experience was that i would never do a deal again where everyone wasn't involved in saying yes, i agree with this deal. >> reporter: now swift has famously been rerecording her albums, announcing the version of taylor's "1989" during the eras tour. >> i think instead of telling you about it, sort of showing you. >> reporter: as for braun, the rumors of the artist's exodus swirled one week later. he appeared to folk fun at the news, writing, breaking news, i'm no longer managing myself. so scooter braun making light of the situation. we reached out to several of these artists for comment. we have not heard anything back yet and taylor swift, she's not saying anything either. >> she's the one everybody wants to hear from, especially given her history with braun, right? >> all that bad blood. >> right, bad blood indeed.

good to have you on the team. thanks for being here, chloe melas. that does it for us today. thank you for joining me. i'll be back tomorrow, same time, same place, as always, jose diaz-balart picks up our coverage right now. >> good morning, it is 11:00 a.m. eastern, well a.m. pacific, i'm jose diaz-balart. rudy giuliani heading to atlanta as more defendants turn themselves in in georgia's election interference case. and we're just one day away from when the former president says he will turn himself in. we all have timing on when that will happen. meantime, trump is skipping tonight's highly anticipated first gop presidential debate in the critical battleground state of wisconsin. and we have just learned one of the candidates might not make it to the stage. in maui, the number of people unaccounted for and deadly wild fires is back up over a thousand. search teams continue to sift through the ashes for any remains. in tennessee, members of the public kicked out of a hearing g