to be as tough as a five dollar steak. and the man who somehow finds it in themselves to forgive them. >> that's all for this edition of dateline, i'm craig melvin, thank you for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> happy saturday. and welcome to morning joe: weekend. let's dive right into the week's top stories. >> i have had enough already tonight of a guy who signs like chatgpt standing up here. and the last person who wanted these debates. who stayed in the middle of the stage and said, what is a skinny guy with an odd last name doing up here. was barack obama, and i'm afraid we're dealing with the same type of amateur.

[inaudible] [inaudible] >> the same type of energy. >> oh my god, that was annoying, former new jersey governor chris christie, and entrepreneur vivek ramaswamy squaring off at last night's republican primary debates in the republican presidential candidate chris christie joins us now from milwaukee. it's great to see you i want to ask you a lot about last night. i'm looking at the big picture first because we have donald trump putting out a statement saying he won the debate, i didn't see him on the stage. i guess he was doing an interview somewhere elsewhere. and then we have photos of the defendants, mugshots, where they're smiling. where rudy giuliani seems to be making fun of the situation. donald trump wants to make his surrender in fulton county a

primetime event. they appear to think that this is funny, can you list the ways in which this is also very not funny? >> they can make as much fun of all the stuff as they want now, but having spent several years as the u.s. attorney in new jersey, it's all fun and games until the jury is in the box. and then it becomes a different, much much different thing, and you know look, donald trump, what would you expect, you've known him for a long time of course he's gonna put out a statement that says he won the debate last night but at the end of it he wasn't there because he's a coward and he can't come and defend either his route as president. or personal conduct, which has disgraceful has gone on in our country over the last number of years when i wouldn't expect anything different from him. i have the truth social app on

my phone. and i am a better man for it. >> okay. and how do you think that you did in the debate last night. and what did you think of the field without trump in it? >> i feel good about how we did last night. i wanted to make sure that everybody both in that arena, and much more importantly all the people watching at home understand that i am going to stand up and tell the truth about where our country needs to go. and about how donald trump has failed us and we failed our party if you ever made the nominee again but also talked about important issues and i guess we must of turn in early last night and hear me talking about education. i was talking about that last night on the stage. talking about my trip to ukraine and how important it was for us to stand up against vladimir putin. and when vivek ramaswamy was

just getting two out of hand the moderators wouldn't want to control. >> -- governor kristi good morning. you told some truth last night in the parallel universe it should be difficult to tell. but you and asa hutchison seem to be the only ones able to do it which is that donald trump's conduct around january 6th, around the 2020 election whatever you think of these prosecutions of him now, was wrong and was unforgivable. you also did not raise your hand in this moment, you and asa hutchins said, when that candidates were asked would you still support donald trump as a candidate, if you are convicted. you can see some of them including governor desantis looked down the aisle to see if anyone else is raising their hand. he joined in. why is it, not for you, but why is it so difficult for these other candidates to tell those very basic truths, not even talking about policy, but basic truth is that you told about the constitution last night? >> i can only assume it is

because they are auditioning for what they pray will be a future vice presidential nomination or a cabinet bid, in a trump administration. the problem for them is going to be that donald trump is never going to be president of the united states again. and it becomes more and more clear to me every day, that folks around this country especially independents, and affected republicans are not going to rejoin the trump coalition based upon his comments over the last three years. since he left the presidency. and so i think these are all political, strategic decisions that these folks are making. and it's got to matter. whether someone says they are willing to suspend the constitution, that they took an oath to preserve, protect, and defend. that is just wrong, it's not a hard answer for me. and it's not a hard answer for them either. but they're playing a political game. or them either.>> governor kristi,e

of few candidates onstage who, you voiced your robust support for ukraine. and you mentioned your recent trip there. that is a real divide between the republican primary electorate. and how do you intend to make the case that continued the united states support to ukraine's in the national interest? >> vladimir putin help me again yesterday to make that case, with the murder of prigozhin. now, he's an awful person to. but we do not settle political scores the murder, unless of course your vladimir putin, and this is the guy who donald trump calls brilliance and a genius. sorry, i disagree, and i do believe that we need to stand up for ukraine. and that fight right now is a proxy war between the united states and china. and it is the right thing to do to protect freedom loving people who are being tortured, and killed, by a barbaric

russian army, and it is the right thing to do to allow the ukrainians to be armed, to fight this fight, and set a very clear message to vladimir putin, but more importantly, the president xi in china. that the united states will not cut and run from its friends. >> governor kristi i have three quick questions to you. i'll give it to all at once, because you have amazingly retentive powers. that i know. the first question is, do you believe that joseph biden was legitimately elected president in the united states in the fall of 2020. the second question is, do you believe is a former u.s. attorney that any of the other candidates on that stage last night, who said that they would continue to support, and vote for a convicted felon, potentially, as president of the united states, what is your reaction to that? and third, your reaction to how annoying where you, and was, vivek ramaswamy on that stage last night. >> question number one, of

course, joe biden was and is the legitimate elected president of the united states from the 2020 campaign, that's an easy one to answer. it's so easy, that even rhonda sanchez can answer it now. so. [laughter] as to the second question, it makes me laugh when you have folks up there who say that they are for a law an order, and we heard that a number of times last night. but you can't before law and order from some people, and not for everybody and so that means the law applies to everyone. i heard mike pence say yes, i wish that he was have been charged, but no one is above the law. which one is it? the only thing that offense me more than folks who turned their back online order as it applies to donald trump, for political purposes. are those who try to have it both ways. for political purposes.

and thirdly, i think i said it pretty quickly in the clip that you showed. 50 minutes and, i already had enough of being told that, for somebody who, like me, sacrifice seven years of my life being the united states attorney, for new jersey, then another eight years being governor of new jersey. that i am bought and paid for. by anybody. especially by a candidate like the back who, in his book that came out last year said donald trump's conduct was reprehensible, plain and simple. now he says i did not say it. no i'm not saying you said it, you wrote it. or whoever wrote your book for you wrote it and secondly he now says that he is the guy who will pardon donald trump wants everyone else to commit to it. and i actually thought mike pence's answer on that was pretty good, where he said i

have used the pardon power. and so have i as governor of new jersey. and it should be used with mercy, and reason. be used with and there is no reason to show mercy on donald trump when he is not willing to admit that anything he did was wrong. >> you are right, vivek ramaswamy proposed a preemptive pardon on all of this. that we're watching for donald trump. so governor, let me ask you, a lot of people think you had a good night last night. they still look at the polls, and they say, well this is trump's race to lose. he's not gonna lose, he's up by 40 points. there's a point in new hampshire that has you up by double digits. in second place, behind donald trump. in the state of new hampshire. what changes the dynamic of a race, that a lot of people frankly have written off and say, this is an inevitability. to fade, and on trump's yunnan nominee. he may lose the -- if you do think it's wrong, which i assume you do, what

changes this dynamic that with each new prosecution, each new indictment, each new appearance in court trump's numbers seem to go up among primary voters? >> look, the first thing is, i make a gentle suggestion to all of you in the news media. from someone who has been a practitioner in this business now. for over 20 years. national polls and presidential races during the primary mean nothing. we don't have a national primary. and if you do not think those national polls will change, on a caucus day in iowa, you have never watched this process. if you do not believe that they will change again after first in the nation primary day in new hampshire, you have never lost her appreciate this process so what will change this is the campaign. last night was the starting gun for the campaign. and i think this coming week leading into labor day weekend,

most normal americans will say leave me alone, i am enjoying the last week with my family and i don't need to hear from you people and so we should keep quiet promise this week and after labor day it's good to get going and when i look at the new hampshire polls represents. i have been in this race three months. i've gone from zero to 14 in new hampshire. i am past ron desantis by five points, i've passed vivek by three points, and all of that within 20 of donald drove. okay, it's not gonna win anything. but nice parting gift. and it's august. so when people are asked polls if the election were held today, the answer should be i would be shocked. because it's not today. i wouldn't worry about the national polls, look at the state by state polls, in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, and in nevada.

because the rates will change markedly when each one of those states weigh in. and then we will see where we stand. so, i am not the least bit discouraged. in fact after not even three months in this race. i am incredibly encouraged, and last night, i was happy to get on that stage, look into the camera, and tell the people the truth about our democracy. the truth about donald trump and the truth in my view about joe biden and the fact that neither one of them are up to it. people say the country is so you divided. 75% of the people in this country said they don't want the race to be trump versus biden. so i don't think that we should keep that in mind when we are evaluating these polls. >> coming up, a new poll finds trump voters trust the president even more than their loved ones. we'll take a closer look at that after the break. er the break

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donald trump's whole with the republican base is as strong as ever. in the latest survey, the former president has 62% of support. from likely gop primary voters. for 46% clear of his closest challenger. and among those likely trump voters, the poll shows they trust the former president even more than their own loved ones. let's put a frame or on that. they trust the former president more than they trust their own loved ones. 71%. say they feel like trump tells them the truth. ahead of friends and family, at 63%. conservative media figures, at 56%, and a religious leader at 42%. >> so this weekend last night

we were having a conversation around the table. and micah was just asking how could people be so go [inaudible] to vote donald trump. and it's important to say here we weren't talk about, having people report voting for republican. she understands why people vote republican. and we weren't saying that we don't understand, you know, somebody couldn't be a pro life. we weren't saying we don't understand how people could have maybe a more expansive view of the second amendment then the supreme court event. we weren't talking about issues, and such, it was again, not related republicans and conservatives. who certainly understand why people might be turned off on the left. and some of the extremes of that. and this is about donald trump. how could people support donald trump. the question just kept coming up. and, there really is no good answers.

except, you know, the question is it a cult? you look at the definition charlie, called leaders, i just saw this on google off the top. cult leaders must be dynamic, convincing because the goal is to control their members. to have money, power, or latent advantages. these characteristics are crucial because a cult leader needs the members to strictly adhere to its teachings and doctrines the. funny things is that it doesn't really fit there. donald trump doesn't have any teaching or doctrine other than follow me blindly. 's but think about the charlie, how twisted it is, just generally, that in america, people follow a political leader. and we always ask questions. why do people have flags of a politician? trump people might be proud

about that. that's nothing to be proud about. politicians serve us. we do not wave flags for them. but, these numbers, these numbers. 71% follow trump. trust trump explicitly, 63% trust their friends and family. they talk to us, they share our values in so many ways. we know them for years. >> and their children. >> their children play with our children. we know these people. why would they not sit around the table and talk to this community. and you look at that number, they trust him, a politician, a failed reality tv talk show holes who has been indicted because what he did with the porn star. who has been indicted for trying to steal an election.

i think they might be happy that he tried to steal the election. they heard the tapes. and conservative media leaders, they heard fox, they watch fox. but now trump members are attacking fox news. and then this is the most shocking thing, coming from the evangelical church, nearly 30% more people blindly follow their cult leader, donald trump. then their own religious leaders. that's like, please. don't tell me about how this is a jesus thing. it's not a jesus thing. it's a cult thing. when 30% more blindly follow trump. then listen to religious leaders. it is, i think this is one of the most revealing polls in quite some time. to ask, you know, answer the question. why do people blindly follow trump. and i don't know any definition

exactly, i read it on google. and a lot of those things certainly lineup. this is those things, this is bizarre. let's just focus on that, 30% more blindly follow trump. and trust this politician than they trust their own religious leaders. despite everything that he has done. >> it is a cult, and i'm really glad you're picturing this. because this is the number that i was looking at last night. as i was preparing for the week. if you had any doubt that the republican base has become this hermetically sealed, alternative reality. just look at those numbers. and also, it is hard to get your head around that degree of slavish devotion. and the question there was, who do you believe is going to tell you the truth? and, you have more than 70%, name someone who is probably the worst chronic liar and american political history. but it is the crown trashed.

when you have 30% more saying we believe that trump tells us the truth more than religious leaders. this explains, i think david french made this point yesterday, this explains why religious claims of donald trump are not going to land. and it's beyond the capability at this point of church leaders to say, no, this is the wrong direction for us to go. but this is a pretty good example, in a pretty good example between the cbs poll, showing that he is about 60% now, despite all of these indictments. i think that we have a picture here. but again, how do you breakthrough that? how do you do this. it is a fever that has not come close to breaking. is a fever th>> and one of they you can't breakthrough is if you ask why and you actually try to have a conversation and say, we need to understand why you feel this way. what was the fact based event that leads you to this conclusion?

and they. you won't even finish that. they will say stop, stop, i want to talk about it. stop. i will not talk about it. that's what i got last night. and that, is a cult. when you don't even want to talk about. it's because you believe what you believe, even though you know deep inside it may not be true. you don't care, you follow blindly. >> slightly terrifying. that's how one european diplomat describes the prospects of a second donald trump term. what other foreign officials are saying behind the scenes? that is next. on morning joe! on morning joe

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that is especially true in germany. a country that was often on the receiving end of trump's diatribes. diplomats are particularly concerned about international alliances. the future of nato, and the war in ukraine. if the republican front runner returns to the white house. joining us now, former cia officer, mark, he is an msnbc national security and intelligence analyst. also with us, msnbc host, ayman mohyeldin to talk about this as well. mark, can you expand upon the concerns that there are overseas. especially among diplomats serving abroad, but also nato members about what would happen if trump were to come back into the white house? >> sir, and i think the new york times article really got it right. when i talk to my old colleagues coming from across the pond. there is this collective, european freak out over a trump

to. and why is that? that's because alliances really matter. because since world war ii, the united states, and it really was a brilliant national security strategy and this was the political field, and my intelligence field. let me expand a little bit about that because that means intelligence sharing because if you are a government official in france and in the united states what they did was collect intelligence and shared with the united states. that's because they trusted us. and this doesn't apply to other republican candidates. just donald trump. who can't handle classified information well. and russia. if they have critical information why would they share it with us now and i think why would they just -- it worries me as a federal official. and certainly to our european partners. >> and especially in the

context of the war in ukraine, where they think that vladimir putin is waiting out the election. if donald trump is back in the white house, that he has a body that can go with impunity to ukraine. and the support will be rolled back. so the focus of the time is europe. but this is a global question for sure. >> it's a global question for sure, if you look at where the republican party is that there, you can see how far trump has move the republican party. and if you have people that vivek ramaswamy saying we're going to concede territory to russia. and i'm gonna pick up the phone and tell putin i want to break this alliance up between you and china, and he thinks it's gonna happen that easily. it gives you a sense of where this republican party, which was once known for standing up to the soviet union, which was his pro democracy. we're gonna stand up for human rights. ronald reagan-esque type national security posture. where they are, you've got trump who is been buddies with vladimir putin. you've got vivek ramaswamy who wants to concede territory. and you've got others like kevin mccarthy, the republican

party, who are not as tough on russia as they once were. and all of that you can contribute to donald trump in the four years he was in office. and what has changed. a dialogue about europe, european security, and russia. >> and as you lay that out, i talked to a lot of figures in africa. in the african continent. and russia and china have made a lot of modes in terms of trying to affect african policy, worked closely with african leaders, even what is going on in niger. and the rumblings that there is not a lot of opposition to russia and china, what is the concern about what we do. talk about the ramifications it has globally when there seems to be this kind of ambiguity in terms of u.s. policy. >> and we kind of know what donald trump thought about africa, and some of the comments about african countries being small countries. and that sums up the donald

trump policy towards africa. and donald trump has been way more engaged with africa. and they've had -- it gives you a bigger sense of how much the united states under president biden has reengage with africa. because to your point we are playing catch-up, for the last several years china has certainly moved into africa with heavy investments in countries. russia through its proxy organizations, like the walking or group in the minds. they have exploited that. and in doing so had contributed to the destabilization of some of these african countries because the u.s. has not been present in the four years of donald trump. now we're starting to see that change a little bit. so to the wider question. you also have countries in the middle east, who are looking at this particular presidency of joe biden. and hoping, who are the countries that are looking for trump? it's the authoritarians. it's the strongman that want to welcome back a trump presidency. because they live with a strong man in the united states, this

kind of authoritarian, they had someone who spoke their language. someone they could train with in this kind of quid pro quo, kind of transaction. not necessarily about values, or human rights, or interest. but more about what can i give, you what can you give me. >> and mark, let's talk about that. and actually the damage that i still know traveling across the globe. that donald trump has caused. more authoritarian nations. and more authoritarian leaders will say, you know, trump understood us much better. you look at what he said to president xi about the concentration camps saying that that was fine at mar-a-lago. but also, now you're starting to hear. and i didn't hear this ten years ago. people going, you know, we're tired of the united states. lecturing us. it's much easier to deal with china. and it comes, even germany, we have germany and you look at

the german officials being concerned, of course in large part because of how horribly donald trump traded german leaders but also, as you, know the far right wing party there. the most neo-nazi party is really gaining strength in germany. and they are looking to donald trump and saying that part of their inspiration comes from donald trump, a guy who of course attacks western democratic leaders but praises president xi. praises vladimir putin, praises kim jong-un. talks about his letters to kim jong-un. again, this is a very clear message to people in the west who may also, actually who do have, the same autocratic leaning says donald trump. >> that's right joe, i think there is a danger. in europe, the only leader who would welcome a return to trump

would be orban, in hungary. america does stand for something in terms of our economic and political values. and the problem with trump to, is that you are, once again, celebrating fascism. and autocracy. and really a pro russian sentiment. and i think about what the foreign intelligence service, the leadership profile of donald trump would look like. and that's what it would say. and certainly not the masses of the united states since world war ii has really put forth to the world. >> coming up! new reporting on vice president, kamala harris. as the 2024 race heats up. can she make a good second impression on voters? or, could she tagged down the democratic ticket. he exclusively wins the vice president, and he joins us next with answers. with answers ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all.

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harris is reportedly trying to reach the republican image ahead of the 2024 election. and we sat down for an exclusive interview with the vice president. harris's term has largely been marked by performances at public events at odds with the uninhibited interrogator that she was known as in the senate. they fueled whispers about whether she will be a drag on the reelection ticket, as the 2024 race heats up.

now, her political future and quite possibly, the success of the democratic ticket in 2024 inches on a simple question. is it possible for kamala harris to make a second impression? and what did you find out eugene? and what did she say to this criticism? >> i think so much of this, in that first question, is that even her closest allies will agree that there has been, at the very least, a gulf between this behind the scenes kamala harris. kamala harris that was a senator, and as you just read, was in the democratic party. seen as the future of the democratic party. and the narrative that has been around this since she has been vice president. they also pointed out that the last eight months felt different to them. that she has emerged in a different way. and a lot of that has to do with the fact that she is finally getting the pro-polio that they say is in her strengths. talking about abortion, gun

safety, climate change, those kinds of things. she is feeling more confident in the role after two and a half plus years and it. and there is a campaign. so she has someone that she can fight against. they say, one person told me that injustice is what feels her. and to these criticisms, she is obviously aware of these criticisms. when i brought some of these things up. one, out of the naysayers, or the folks who have said things about her over the last couple of years. she kind of smoked, because she knew exactly where i was going. and what she says she is not going to get distracted. and i knew that was coming because i talk to some of her close allies. that's what she tells them. that's what she says, that black women, and women of color, especially in political life, have to do. which is to ignore these kinds of things and move forward. and try to just hope that the work speaks for itself at some point. >> eugene, sharpton. one of the things that you just said, struck me. because before that, i had a long interview with the vice

president for my show. and for the first time, it was a whole interview on this coming saturday show after the march. she talked about how her mother marched in 63 against racism. and she grew up an activist. and none of that was coming out a lot in, until the last few months. the fighter in her. and i think a lot of what people do not realize is that misogyny, as well as the racism that she suffered from. i saw that when i was directed for shirley chisholm's campaign. and how much of this do you think is her reemerging? and how much of it do you think that she had a breakthrough of misogyny, even among black male leaders and elected officials that are questioning her when we never questioned other vice presidents? how much of it is a different standard for her that she has now said, look, forget that teleprompter.

i am gonna be who i am. and people are starting to see that she is a fighter, and represent something? s >> i think both of those thins are true. she even spoke to this, and talked about the level of scrutiny. she even had, mike pence did not have reporters following him that was specifically tied to him as vice president. at the things that he did every single day. there just wasn't that level of interest. she said she is not new to this, this is the kind of way that she has lived her entire. life but she has felt different on the campaign. i covered this at the time. her and the camp, on the stage, talking about abortion with no notes, no teleprompter. walking around for 20 minutes at howard a few years ago. that feels different about me, and folks that cover her. and also the folks who are allies of her and have really been expecting and hoping that the narrative around her will change. >> molly, micah and i have always told people privately, when they ask us about kamala harris, we say. we known her for a while.

we've had lunch her, dinner with her, we spent time with her over the years as a senator. she's great, she's relax, but we didn't say for the first year or so, there is a big gulf between the kamala harris you see privately, and the prime color is that you see publicly as vice president. >> except on abortion! >> and abortion is the biggest. i'm curious, do you agree with eugene that you are starting to see her get a little more comfortable in that role as vice president? >> i think what the ref said was so importance. there is so much racism, and there is so much with misogyny. that this woman, remember, this is the highest a black woman has ever got in our country, ever. so she is, you know every day, knives are out for her. even people who think that they are her supporters are not, so i do think the lens in which she has seen is so hard. and the way she is reported on

is so different than men, or even white women. i think she's even trying to smash so many tough sailings. it's even tough to see her friends who she is. even people who mean well, it is very hard and she has had a very tough time. and i think that she has done incredibly well despite that. and she is very smart. and i think on abortion that has been, she has been really an incredible public speaker. >> incredible voice. special correspondent at val and a fair, thank you so much. and eugene that ills thank you as well. you can read more from eugene's exclusive interview with vice, kamala harris at politico.com. after the break, world famous gambler, billy walters, is out with a new book. our conversation with the man who went decades without losing. and what happens when it all came crashing down. you are watching morning joe: weekend!

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[inaudible] it's not enough that you just have talent, you have to have character to. and i sure have character now. in a hotel room, in louisville. >> that's paul newman as fast eddie, in the film, the hustler. fast eddie, the real gambler, said he started hustling for pool for a penny a game at six years old. as an adult, would go on to have a 60 year when it's straight betting sports. making him the best better on sports of all-time. that came to an end when he was found guilty of insider

training. and sentenced eight years in prison. i'll explain the great detail, in the new book titled, gambler, secrets from a life at risk. and billy walter joins us live in studio. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> tell us what prompted you to write this book. why do you feel like this was an important time to get your story, not just your story, but the message about sports gambling out? >> i remember things that the prompter, prompted me to write a book. when i was a gambler, i suffered from addiction, i had issues in my life. at one time, i was addicted to gambling. unfortunately i was going to overturn that, and turned it into something it ended up being extremely positive for me. my daughter, while i was in prison, committed suicide. and there were a number of things that led to me being in prison. and help me read this book. the other thing is that sports betting is legal in a majority

of states in the united states and from my perspective it's a dream that is come true, because back in the early 80s from when i was a sports better, i was in that four times for betting on sports. i want to court and fortunately i was examining it because i was just misunderstood. and to see it -- when you could make a bet legally, you could do it in the comfort of your home. something that creates jobs. it's been, you know, all of the people in the industry are good people. and you get paid. i'm excited about that. on the other hand, i'm also concerned. so i wanted to read the book, i wanted to share my past. i wanted to share my concerns and i wanted to include an encyclopedia of sports handicap, and more importantly, sports betting. and the vetting strategy. the average sports better, literally, the way things are today has little to no chance to win. by following some basic

principles you have to have a fighting chance. but you still are probably going to lose her money. and, if you approach sports betting in my opinion, and you are satisfied assert amount of money you can invest. as recreation and something that could be fun. i think it'll be really good. but on the other hand, if your approach is something, i'm going to get rich quick with. i think you could potentially get yourself in trouble. and i did. and i share that in the book. >> as you say, you are the exception. your 36 year when streak does not happen to most sports better. so what is your concern about laying out some rules of the road. in fact encouraging people to get into it, when you know that so many of them to not win. most of them to not when. and some of them end up in bankruptcy, or have problems with their lives. do you worry about encouraging people to campbell? >> i'm not encouraging people to gamble. first of all really, there has been sports betting for over 100 years. this was taking place prior to the legalization.

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second a second hour of morning joe: weekend. let's jump right in with more >> of the week's top stories micah, you took my line. >> it's. not your line. >> nobody wants to hear you say that. nope. here's a look at the weeks of stories. for the first time in american history, a former president of united states has taken a mugshot. donald trump surrendered at the fulton county jail where he was given a inmate number and fingerprinted.

trump was processed on 13 felony charges over alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election. the former president was released on $200,000 shortly after, and he's not using his mugshot to solicit campaign donations and his first post since his account was reinstated on x, formerly twitter, trump posted the mugshot and linked to his website. his campaign is also selling t-shirts that say, never surrender with the picture on it. even though that is exactly what he did at the fulton county jail. surrender. joe? >> obviously, the view of any ex president with a mugshot deserved or not is certainly jarring. i am curious, what are the papers in new york and across the country showing? >> it is jarring.

we knew it was coming, but to see it with any president, this president, it is. it's incredibly striking. and for a man who grew up in these tabloids in new york city and traffic with them with his whole life, whether we're celebrity stuff, his tv shows, women or business, here is now on the front page of the newspaper that he's been and for most of his life. the new york post, no headline. just the mugshot of inmate p 01135809 booked estrada in fulton county georgia on 13 felony charges. here's the new york daily news, enemy of democracy showing a mugshot. >> every attorney is every practice that i've ever talked to looks at all of the counts that i brought against him and i have yet to find one that does not say that he is going to get convicted on one of these charges and likely going to end up in jail unless he pleads out. >> yeah, let's bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian.

can, obviously the headline is among shot, the booking, the surrendering, but what is next? what are the legal maneuvers next? where the dates to look for, and what exactly is this former president facing, especially with all of the other different trials and indictments refuse dealing with, one fourth and county, there are so many codefendants, so many different mugshots, so many different headlines, but as you point out, what is the main -- what is the main issue here facing this former president? what >> are the main issue is, to joe's point, the avalanche of criminal charges, the dizzying array of proceedings. it is hard for people to get their arms around this. most of us have never been defendants in a single white collar criminal indictment, let alone for. these kinds of cases, they take a lot of mental energy to devote to defending oneself.

even if you are not devoting substantial time to your own defense, you have to consult with your lawyers. you have to be in courtrooms. now look, this fulton county case, even the codefendant kenneth chesebro has asked for a speedy trial, and the d.a. fani willis as head that she's willing to go to trial in october, while trump is not going to do that. nobody thinks that this is going to be the first case or even the second case to go to trial among the four. but on monday, guys, and washington d.c., there's going to be hearing before judge tanya chutkan and she is going to set a trial date in the other election interference case brought by jack smith, and that's the one that most people i've talked to think may go to trial as early as next summer because donald trump is the only defendant, it's less complex and they're ready to go. so this is going to get real rather quickly. and just back to the fulton county, the mugshot situation, i think what is so interesting about what happens is that the fulton county sheriff, and

elected democrat, told our blaine alexander that he was not sure until the last minute really whether he was going to go forward with that mugshot. because as you recall, come on the other bookings, to federal and why new york, authorities determined that they did not need to do a monk shot, because the purpose mugshot is to be able to publicize the image. if they, fleet that wasn't going to happen here. there are million and a half photos of donald trump. so the federal government, commercial use existing photo for the booking photo. in the end, the fulton county folks decided that they're going to treat him like any other defendant in that respect. and that was so jarring about the procedure. one of the other bookings and arraignments that took place in the courthouse, this one was in fulton county jail. and it was the stuff of rappler x. and it's a nasty place. and emits of die under questionable circumstances. but he had to go through that

place where there are signs saying emits this way. and here we go through the indignities. i don't believe he actually was a way. we are told that his staff filled out that form in advance, which is why he's listed at a height of six foot three, 2:15, which probably has not been since the wharton school of finance, as you said there. but nonetheless, a sobering moment of really different from the other cases, whatever happens in this fulton county case, it is a reminder that this is the one that we can't pardon himself on. he has maybe less control of and it is a bit of a wildcard. >> it was a very sobering moment. one of the few moments of levity provided by donald trump with a self reported weight and height and stood next to him many times. i'm about six foot four. navy is 61? maybe he is 61 and a half? 62? he's a bit shorter.

but his staff reported him at six foot three and a fighting weight of 2:15. that would be like if my staff reported me, describe mr. scarborough's appearance, he looks a lot like robert redford in 1974. you know, wildly, wildly off. so i'm not going to tell you where the over under is on donald trump's way in, but it is a good, let's just say it is a good 70 or 80 pounds higher than what the staff reported. but willie, i'm sure you would describe me as looking like robert redford. >> coach cassidy, cnn's kid era. >> exactly, yes. with or without the mustache. >> i like you with the stash. i also like the self reported strawberry blond hair. i thought that was a nice flourish, flourish as well instead of just saying blond.

>> come on, strawberry blonde. >> he really went for, it he really went for it. he also -- they also can't use the bail bondsmen like anybody else would. fosters bail bonds and lawrenceville, georgia where you pay 10%. as one as $20,000. not sure exactly what he paid, but it was in those ways, the ways that you just described, when she got through the motorcade and he got there was actually pretty quick in routine in the way that these things go. i'm curious about trial dates here, tim, because kenneth chesebro, one of the codefendants in attorney for donald trump, put in a motion first speedy trial nda fani willis came back on october 23rd, let's get this thing going. but, how do we interpret that move? >> that was a be careful what you wish for a moment. fani willis is ready to go to trial. she has been investigating this thing for two years. presumably they have not just investigated the case, but prepared their trial strategy, consider their witness list, but here's the thing.

donald trump is not going to go to trial in october. he's fighting. he does not want to be the trial in this case. and a lot of legal experts i talked to fear that because of the number of defendants in this case in fulton county, it really could get bogged down. there is a racketeering case that fani willis is prosecuting right now where it's taken eight months and they still have not picked a jury. and unfortunately, this office does not have a great track record of getting cases to trial quickly. the lawyers this one are going to take over a push to the, mr. chesebro, the slow things down. for mr. trump, delay his victory. and all these cases. that is been his strategy. he is just hoping that he can just play this out long enough to somehow get elected president. even if he can't make this particular fulton county case go away, there is a good chance that the justice department would say, you cannot continue with the prosecution of a sitting president. meanwhile, he can make at the federal cases go away. we've been building towards

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was created view here in the field of dreams and former president trump being arrested in georgia? >> well i'm glad i'm at the field of dreams! i'm happy to be here! >> wow, boom! wow, let me tell you something. that was drier than a three day old bullet grits, willie. drier than a three day old bull of grits. i mean, come on now! >> kevin costner performance there at the field of dreams. >> why did he do that? >> mary james, earl jones moment. no, and everything, that

reminds us of what we once were, what we might be again. >> i am here and he is there it is pretty, thank you, goodnight. >> joe, i know you guys have had many similar conversations that i've had with republican friends and republican sources who let say six months ago were sure he was the guy and that they were going to move beyond donald trump. ron desantis just won by almost 20 points in the state of florida in the key state. he's done a good job in their view. got them through covid, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. he is the guy who will turn the page on donald trump. and as this has gone on and in particularly after the debate two nights ago, they all went oh, okay, who else is out there? maybe vivek. they're still searching. maybe glenn youngkin will listen from the heavens. a lot of people did, watch what i would say that the level of disappointment from republicans who want to go somewhere behind donald trump in around santa's

has not reached a peak i would say. >> yeah, exactly. i will say this really. it was always fascinating to me that have people from 49 states were talking about how great rhonda scientist was and how he was going to be the great hope for the republican party, it is very fascinating that republicans in tallahassee florida, they did not work for him whenever i call them up and said, what is he? like they would be like, kind of weird. kind of weird. don't know how he's going to do in those early states, because they had dealt with him, again. might lack the touch, let's just say. the common man touch there. like, you know, nobody predicted that he would point out a little girl and tell her she was killing herself while she was drinking a slurpee. sometimes, we just get the special gifts from the political gods. but yeah, and some people are

saying he can still win. i just, i don't know. i don't see it. >> anything can happen. >> anything can happen, exactly. but let's talk really quickly, because micah brought this up. 13 million people. it wasn't trump levels, but 13 million people watched the debate, and i will say that a lot more people were talking about yesterday then i was expecting and a lot more people were talking about nikki haley. i know that in hard-core republican circles, they like the fact that vivek was rude and insulted people. they thought that was really cool and that he was petulant and he spread conspiracy theories. i think that republicans that want to win elections and that sort of come from the republican party of ronald reagan. when i was inspired to join the republican party, really impressed by nikki haley. >> yeah, i heard some of the same things. i would say the people who like donald trump also really light

vivek ramaswamy. they liked what they perceived as a combat of style. they would say that again, he did say that climate change is a hoax. he did say that we should cut off all aid to ukraine, and we can go down the list of other conspiracy theories, and by the way, that he would issue a preemptive pardon from donald trump and all of this. perhaps that's why trump supporters liked him, and he knew that. he pushed all of those buttons. but to your point, it was nikki haley did seem like, and along with chris christie and mike pence to other degrees, the adult in the room at least on that stage. perhaps she will get, and she is still way way behind in the polls as most of them are. but perhaps she will get another look from people looking for alternative here. let's bring into the conversation nbc news capitol correspondent ali vitali here in studio, doing a great job posting way too early this morning. good to see you. >> thank, you it's a treat in person. >> it's good to see you. let's talk about that debate and rolling out of that and what you're hearing maybe even from your reporting among people on capitol hill about, you know, the private conversations that we all have.

they might say out loud that they like donald trump behind the scenes, they also were praying for an alternative to emerge. did anyone like what they saw on that stage? di>> those prayers are not getting answered off that debate. mostly because, i think the sense that all of us had watching into milwaukee, and was echoed by my conversations that i was having with people in person, is that it sort of felt like everyone there was just competing for the scraps, while the guy was actually at the front was eating at the main table. and i think that it's really hard to have a debate that feels untethered from the reality of the polls in the state of the race. it's hard to take that seriously, because trump is so far ahead. he does not have to face any of his opponents. there are some people who said to me, look, it was a great thing for all those people because they were not able to be deterred from their message by trump, who sucks the oxygen out of the room. they were able to get a good look from the american public. fine, but there is still the reality that he is the person leading the pack. i think the one thing that i did see from that debate was something that florida governor ron desantis said at one point. he said well, this is not an election that is about january

six. i just don't think that i could disagree more, because every conversation that i have leads back to the 2020 election, people who believe it was stolen despite the fact that it wasn't, in the ways in which trump has been able to remake and remote the party around that. i know that most of the people on that stage do not want to contend with january six because it is not politically expedient for them to go after donald trump or sell at the constitution, but it's very much the central premise of what is at stake here. and it certainly is going to be in the general as we watch biden make that the centerpiece of both 2020 and likely 2024. >> well speaking of joe biden, in response to that first republican primary debate, the biden harris 2024 reelection campaign out just this morning with a new ad. it's titled, these guys and it highlights the issue of abortion, a topic candidates spent the most time actually discussing on wednesday night. here is a first look at that ad. >> reproductive health care decisions are among the most personal a woman will ever make. there are choices that should be made by you and your doctor. in the last people who should

be involved are these guys. >> first of all, i'm the one that got rid of roe v. wade. >> florida governor desantis quietly signed into law one of the nation's strictest abortion bans. >> governor desantis, you signed a six-week abortion ban in florida. >> i believe in a culture of life. >> if our president united states, i would literally sign the most conservative pro-life legislation that they can get through congress. >> punishment in abortion, yes or no is a principle. the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> there will be some form. >> president biden and vice president harris are determined to restore roe v. wade, and they will never allow a national abortion ban to become law. as long as they are in office, decisions about your body will be made by you, not by them. >> that spot will run on two weeks on digital, online on your phone on arizona, michigan, north carolina, pennsylvania, and wisconsin. obviously ali, the issue of abortion was a devastating to

the electoral hopes of republicans in the midterm elections. it's going to be a big factor again coming up in 2024, and those candidates on the stage of the night were all over the place. tim scott said, i want to federal law. we cannot allow abortion to be taking place in blue states either. so basically making the case against federalism. >> yeah, and when he said that he would sign literally the most conservative bill that he could find, that was in a interview with me where i at one point said, is that six weeks? even agree that that was on the table. even rhonda scientist, who signed that bill, said he was proud to sign it but signed it in the dead of night in florida, could not say on the debate stage that he wanted to sign a federal six-week ban. and so all of them are being pushed to the right here. trump is perhaps one of the people who is a little bit more you could say liberal on this issue, even though it's not liberal at all. but this is a problem that i hear about often from republican operatives. the fact that you have to get three primary on this issue and you have to sell it for the evangelical voters that come out and mass, but then you have to pivot to a general where this is a position that is out

of step with the six in ten americans who say that abortion should be safe or legal in all or most cases. and i was just an ohio two weeks ago when they did that referendum. the fact that they had 3 million people come out in the dead of august for election that was relatively spontaneously announced really is a blinking warning sign to republican operatives that i talked to in washington who look at this. maybe some of problems right now, but it's definitely a problem for six months from now because the thing that i keep hearing is republicans are the dogs who caught the car and this, and now they're going to get run over by electorally. >> up, next. america's fastest-growing voting bloc could mean all of the difference for president biden in the general election. >> you're watching morning joe: weekend! i did it, micah! >> okay! just go to break! ak

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likely, and it seems almost like a slam dunk, is the one related to handling -- mishandling of classified documents. but there's at least one which is the mishandling of the federal documents which is, seems again a very strong case. they have taper courting of him speaking of it. if that is proven, then we may have a candidate for president who has been convicted of a crime. i think joe biden needs to be replaced, but i don't think that americans will vote for someone who has been convicted. do >> you think that donald trump should drop out of the race? >> i think so, but obviously that's up to him. just asking me my opinion, but he will lose to joe biden if you look at the current polls. i'm a republican. i think that any republican on that stage in milwaukee it would do a better job than joe biden. >> republican senator bill cassidy of louisiana saying donald trump should drop out of the presidential race because of the current charges he faces. specifically the documents case. as we approach the fall and the

one year mark to the 2024 election, new reporting from nbc news is highlighting the efforts of both parties to cork what is now the fastest-growing demographics in the united states, asian americans. with the dnc saying it is already spent six figures on ads targeting the demographic and the rnc opening community centers in california and around the nation designed to turn out the vote. joining us now with more on the story, nbc news senior national political reporter, sahil kapur. sahil, what more can you tell us about these efforts? >> hi micah, not only their americas fastest-growing demographics, but asian americans are also the fastest growing share of the electorate, which have the biggest turnout trump of any racial or ethnic group and surprise many political analysts in the last election with crucial votes for president biden in swing states. so let's look at some numbers here. in 2020, 72% of asian americans voted for biden.

28% voted for former president trump. turnout spiked from 49% to 59% in battleground states that decided the election, they were up by more than 300,000 votes and in the election where biden's margin of victory came down to about 45,000 votes in three states. think about that for a moment. without asian americans, donald trump will probably still be president today. now both parties have taken note. the dnc has spent six figures on ads, one on -- and may that was translated to 74 languages. democrats rely on welcoming attitudes for the different positions. it feels from the working class to achieve the american dream. here is what congressman ro said, biden surrogate said quote, the asian american vote will likely be decisive in battleground states like nevada, michigan, pennsylvania and georgia, which are decided by such a small margin. he said democrats must speak to the aspirations of the community and focus on education and pathways to good paying jobs. now republicans are losing asian americans, but they know that they cannot ignore this

group either. and they are trying to cut and to the democrats advantage. what the rnc tells me is that the multi million dollar investment to boost their ground game and open up 40 community centers across the country, like the one in california's orange county, but they've had some success in courting voters. here's what house republican campaign chair richardson told me. quote, that is a community that ought to be voting republican. i just think our party has not done a good job of communicating with them, unquote. overall, asian americans preferred democrats by about 2 to 1. the largest sub ethnicities are chinese, koreans, filipinos, in vietnamese americans. they have a big footprint and key swing states like georgia and nevada. this is the demographic we are going to be hearing about and reporting on for a long time to come. mika? >> so we have heard through the years of demographic groups, certain demographic groups being inclined to vote a certain way, and many people of color inclined more

traditionally to vote democratic than republican. there are of course significant exceptions to that. george w. bush did extremely well in 2004 with hispanic americans. i am curious though, if you look at the tread line through the years, asian americans have always been more likely to vote for republicans in the past, right? is there a trend away from republicans over the past eight years? >> there certainly has been, joe. there are some that in the 90s that asian americans did preferred republicans, but the numbers were too small for them to significantly influence elections. your 2004 analogy is instructive. latinos in 2004, that was kind of the big year where everyone realize wow, this is a massively important demographic. it probably helped george w. bush when reelection. a lot of people might look back on 2020 and look at that as the 2004 equivalent for asian

americans, when they became this powerful group that neither party could ignore. one party might win that comfortably as democrats are right now with asian americans, but republicans need to cut into that advantage. the margins there could be everything going forward. republicans have tried to use social issues, cultural issues. things like affirmative action, liberal attitudes which they call wokeness to drive and to some of the more cultural conservative asian american groups. they've had some success courting vietnamese americans in places like orange county, filipino americans also known to be more culturally conservative than let's say the democratic party right now. but the messages on immigration, on the working class achieving the american dream, there is a gut feeling that issue americans have right now the democrats are more aligned with them, joe. democrat>> coming up, a new pubc awareness campaign seeks to shift the narrative around voter engagement in america. but will it work? >> but will it work? but will it work? meet the future. a chef. a designer. and, ooh, an engineer.

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the 2024 election is turning into one of the most significant and our time. and the youth vote could matter more than ever before. by 2024, gen zers and millennials will make up nearly half, 48.5% of the voting population. a opportunity for democrats and

for republicans alike. that is if young people actually register and come out to vote. no one knows this better than our next guest, montana die on a, creator and cofounder of the non partisan movement, i am a voter, which aims to create a cultural shift around voting and civic engagement and millennial voters, and mandana dayani, i'm so happy to have you on the show. we've course new each other from the 30 50 summit which we will get to, but first, tell us about i am a voter and your aha moment when you think, i have to launch this. >> it's very personal, and thank you so much for having me. so yeah, i was born in iran under an authoritarian regime, and as kurdish iranian jews just was not very safe to be

there and so my family and i threat when i was around six years old and went to italy and eventually gained asylum into the united states through an amazing organization called hyas. we went on to live the american dream started as an attorney in built france across tech, and then my life completely changed. i was on parental leave with my second daughter and they saw at the first coverage of the child separation policy at the borders, and i had this like incredibly visceral response. i got on texas with the first camps were, and i just had to see it. and i knew at that moment that something was incredibly broken. when we came to the nine states, remember arriving in new york, and it was this incredibly terrifying place. i did not know the place, i miss my home, and i knew that i would be okay. and so to think that the most vulnerable populations in the world came to our country, by the way, because we asked them

to. we actually put on the statue of liberty in a moment we did the we're saying that we could do and took our kids away from them. i just could not understand. and so i started taking meetings with members of the senate and congress asking, how can i help. and help with messaging? what can i do. i'm a brand person, and they all kept saying, we need more people to vote. and i just did not know what else to do other than try to help rebrand civic engagement. brought together about 25 incredible women ncaa, and we were together to launch i'm a voter as a non partisan civic engagement -- celebrates voter identity makes it mainstream an aspirational. >> so tell us about the success of i am a voter. how it works, and now moving forward with this initiative, what is the number one issue keeping you up at night when it comes to getting young people to vote in the next election. >> you, know i think young voters at this incredibly powerful and thoughtful

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they're preparing 11 airborne divisions. >> do you think i don't know that? let me tell you about the russians, henry. when i was a child in ukraine at christmas time, my father would board up the windows of our house. >> golda >> to protect us from cossacks who would get drunk attacked jews. they would beat jews to death in the street for fun. my father would hide us in the cellar and we would stay silent,

hoping the killers would pass us by. my father's face, henry. i will never forget that moment. all he wanted was to protect his children. i'm not that little girl hiding in the cellar. >> that is helen mirren in her role as israel's only female prime minister golda meir talking there to -- it's been 50 years since meir read her country through the yom kippur war, when the egyptians and syrians invaded israel. these 2500 israeli troops died in the 19 days of fighting. the new film golda illustrates other 1973 conflict with a devastating toll on meir personally and of course on our country. joining us, now oscar wood winning director -- and goal that mayors grandson gideon. it's great to have you here. i have to start with helen mirren. we're talking about how

wonderful she has personally and what an extraordinary actor she is. how did she come to this role and this piece of golda meir's story, because it is about this moment of time. >> you know, when i join the project, helen was already cast as i think gideon was the first one who thought about helen as his grandmother. he said i see helen, i see my grandmother, and helen did her research. first of, all she was 29 when she toured the country and toward israel. she lived in a coutts and israel. pick tomatoes when she was 29th, 1967, and so she was connected to israel from her youth. and i think that when she came to the role, she was full of inspiration to gold. she read everything about gold. she was really, she read the script and immediately she said yes. >> and gideon, what was it like to see helen mirren finally and full makeup giving that performance looking almost

exactly like your grandmother? >> i think it was very thrilling and it's a very powerful movie. erthe script is so well written and golda was one who would say very clear things, sometimes in very few words. she was incredibly articulate and that way, and i think that nick barton and this script really captures, and helen mirren is incredible. i was sure she would be -- and that's why i suggested to nicolas to approach her. and i was sure that she would really embrace this with a lot of commitment. >> guy, the clip that we came and with, it is today, she is from kyiv originally from kyiv

in the ukraine. and she is eight -- of incredible strength in this film. her nature comes across with this, especially with regard to -- a chronic israeli hero who takes kind of a reputational hit in this movie. and yet she nurtures him through this crisis on a day-to-day basis. >> yes -- i lost it completely. this hero that considered israel like the superman of israel and the six day war completely lost it, and she grew up in charge. she basically took over and said, listen, let's take it step-by-step. you go home, take two days off and i will take over. >> coming up, how former first lady eleanor roosevelt broke every rule and the buck, ultimately proving what american courage is all about. the author of that new book is next. k is next

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since eleanor roosevelt embarked on a secret five-week mission to the pacific during world war ii. and the late summer of 1943, she covered 25,000 miles traveling to australia, new zealand, and through the south

pacific into territory that was still under attack. the wartime mission is the subject of the new book, the first lady of world war ii. eleanor roosevelt during journey to the front lines and back. and joining us now, the book's author. shannon mckenna schmidt. shannon, thank you so much for coming on the show. tell us more about this mission and the bravery that this first lady emboldened. >> at this time 80 years ago, when our roosevelt was traveling through the south pacific and the american public in the media to not even know that she had left the country on this risky expedition, and news, the trip was kept secret for the first ten days as she made her way through the south pacific. and when it broke ten days into the trip, it was caused a media firestorm. she traveled 25,000 miles over the course of five weeks to hawaii, new zealand, australia, through the south pacific, and

as you mentioned, in a territory that was still under enemy air attack. >> tell us more about what people don't know about what she did on this trip and how it changed her and perhaps it changed maybe her approach to how she supported her husband. >> yes, and fdr was enormously supportive of almost travels throughout her time as first lady. and in fact, the fact that she traveled so much or troubled at all with one of the reasons that he was considered as a unconventional -- unconventional first lady. >> there's so much about her, and so much detail here that it's really wonderful story that she said, you know what, on this trip i'm going to wear red cross uniform, i don't have to pack any clothes, therefore i can bring my typewriter to continue ready meta daily column, but she insisted on going to the guadalcanal where there are real concerns from the american military about our safety, suggestions. you shouldn't come, here we are and we can protect you here. how did she get her way into the guadalcanal?

>> first, off it was very important for her to get to guadalcanal. eleanor felt an enormous sense of obligation towards the generation of young men who were being sent into battle. i'm going to guadalcanal was a way to pay tribute to the serviceman. dead set against illinois trip to the pacific was admiral william halsey, commander of the south pacific forces, and he was the man who had solely decide whether or not she was allowed to go to guadalcanal. and as i said, this was very important to her. and admiral halsey completely changed his tune. when she first visited his headquarters, he was like guadalcanal is no place for you, ma'am, and he just wasn't going to let her go. but she persuaded him with a power of her example, and he saw that eleanor roosevelt was the real deal. one of the things that particularly impressed him was how she would go through the hospital ward. she walked miles and miles and hospital wards during those

five weeks going bed to bed, comforting the wounded. and he saw the uplifting effect that her presence had on the troops. i think that is one of the most remarkable things and very telling of illinois trip is that admiral policy was dead set against it, and then he ended up completely changing his tune. he said that through the rest of the war, of all of the people that came through his area, nobody did more good than she did. >> you know, one of the more interesting aspects in a book filled with interest aspects about a woman who we think we knew, or no, was her role and conversing with service members from one hospital ward to another, and it resulted in eventually one of the most iconic pieces of legislation ever passed by the united states congress. the g.i. bill. tell us about that. >> yeah, so again, eleanor throughout the war was very determined to see that legislation was passed to

support the serviceman, the veterans. and the power that she really had. she is ten years into her time as first lady at this point, and she's brought up enormous media network that she uses to communicate with the american public, including her six day a week syndicated these paper column called -- and in fact, she took a typewriter with her to the south pacific through the pacific so that she can keep riding this in realtime. and so not only is the first lady in a active theater of war, but she is referring to the president in the home front while she is there. and one of the things that she did was that she used this powerful media presents potentially use the public pressure to bring pressure on congress to help pass, get legislation passed for these returning serviceman. and the other thing that she reminded people is that veterans were all really coming back. they needed the legislation immediately and that sometime after the war was done. because many of them are

already coming back with injuries, that they needed support for, and other things. >> that does it for us. morning joe will be back live at 6 am eastern. have a great rest of your weekend. >> this is the katie phang show. live from invasive pc world headquarters in new york city. we have lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer, and let's get started. monika mugshot. for the first time in history, we're seeing a mugshot of a current or former president the united states. donald trump now finding out the fought for this corruption and his attempts to overturn the will of the people. we're going in-depth on what the worsening of legal problems mean for the now twice impeached quadruple indicted one term disgraced ex president. and keeping