morning. so you're joining us now for a second hour of the katie phang show live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. this hour, photo finish. now that donald trump and his 18 co-defendants have all been booked and processed in the georgia election interference case we will take a closer look at what's next in fulton county and why a lot hinges on next week. marching on, thousands expected to gather to mark the 16th anniversary of the march on washington. martin luther king that, they're joining me live to talk about the works still needed to fulfill his father stream. i'm political punchline, the side of the gop presidential debate you did not. c comedian jason was there and joins me with the funny side of the republican spiked. all of that and more is coming up. donald trump finds himself,

wants, again out on. bond after securing another first in american history. the only current or former united states president of his mugshot taken. on thursday, night trump was booked and arrested at the fulton county jail for his alleged role in georgia's election interference case. and it's taken no time for him to capitalize on his surrender. he returned to x, formerly known as twitter for the first time since january of 2021. blasting out a photo of his mugshot and directing users to his campaign website for donations. meanwhile, all of trump's 18 co-defendants have turned themselves in. for most of, them it was a quick stop at the jail except for harrison floyd. who is just denied bond and a hearing yesterday. and the calendars of some of these codefendants are filling up. fast on, monday an evidentiary hearing is scheduled for trump's ex chief of staff, mark meadows, pushing to get his case moved to federal court. and within the last 24 hours ex trump lawyer sydney powell followed kenneth chesebro's lead and filed a demand for a

speedy trial. her filing comes after superior court judge, scott mccarthy ruled that for no only kenneth chesebro's trial will begin on october 23rd. but all of the attention remains focused on the twice impeached ex president who has not been indicted and arrested four times in less than five months. and this crimea xtravaganza creates a new reality for donald trump that he may soon have finally face accountability, perhaps, for the very first time in his life. joining me now is ana bauer, legal fellow in fulton county correspondent at lawfare. anna, you and i have been logging some hours together in fulton county at the courthouse and at the jail. i am really focusing on what's happening that day. i've told people that this is a very important hearing for? mark meadows. but what happens on monday make dictate what happens to the other codefendants that attempt to remove their cases to federal court. so, anna, walk us through what

do you expect to happen in front of federal court judge steve jones on monday morning at 10 am. >> right, good morning katie thank you for having me. you are right we have been spending lots of time in fulton county georgia at the courthouse. and we are moving court houses on monday to this evidentiary hearing for mark meadows. as he seems to remove his charges to federal court. and what i expect there is to hear from witnesses that have been called. we've been watching the docket, that we could already see that the prosecution has called for witnesses. alex kaufman, francis watson, two of those folks are attorneys who are listening in on that famous brad raffensperger. call and francis watson is a former chief investigator for the georgia secretary of state office who trump called in december of 2020. and mark meadows allegedly set up that phone call.

and, then finally, the fourth witness of the prosecution who was called was brad raffensperger himself. to the subject of trump's attempts to urge him to find votes in january of 2021 right before january 2026. that infamous phone call that setup fani willis's investigation. and so i expect that we will hear these witnesses under oath, testify fani willis will try to illicit testimony from. them they will be subject to cross-examination by mark meadows a kearney. and then the big question for me, katie, is whether or not meadows himself will testify. that is a possibility because as you know, katie one of the elements that have to be proven here is if mark meadows wants to remove his case to federal court is to raise a plausible argument that he believed that what he was doing was within

the proper scope of his duties. and so it's possible that he may, himself, have to get on the witness stand and testify as to what his subjective beliefs were. so it will be a remarkable scene if that does occur. who knows. but i think that that is what we expect on monday in terms of this mark meadows removal hearing. >> it just kind of, while anna, if you think about a day of a criminal defendant that does have a fifth amendment who may have to take this. dan because he decided to plea cute, and moved to federal court. i look at the removal issue into, buckets especially for our viewers to understand. you've got mark, meadows death, clark and they were federal officials at the time to the extent that they have jobs as white house chief of staff, an assistant. a.d. but then there's a second bucket i want to talk about before we move on, and, i and that is the slate of fake electors. we have them who have been codefendants in that fulton county case. those three georgia fake electors they feared to get into court is that they're also

federal officials when they, were, quote contingent presidential electors. and i don't know if you agree with me or not but i feel like their chances, as in the georgia fake, electors their chances are actually slim to none. >> i agree with you on that, katie i will say that i think it's really interesting because their argument is that they were federal officials and kathy leeton in particular has made the argument that she was under the direction of trump attorneys and the trump team. and so that is really interesting to me because as you know with the rico prosecutions one of the things that you will have to show is that this group of individuals who were associated with each other have this common plan, common purpose and so i, think, actually by these fake electors or alternate electors they are making this argument that they were under the direction of the trump teams and in some ways

that kind of helps fani willis because they are saying that we were being directed by trump's team. but i agree with you that i think that their chances of removal are very slim. however, as you pointed out it is possible that this whole case could be removed to federal court if even one of these is successful. so if mark meadows is successful, if jeff clark is the excess, will it could bring everybody with. them so it is very consequential as you said what happens on monday and with this medicine. >> and you know i want to also manage the expectations of the removal of fame is a process, it's actually multi-pronged but the first kind of way to get into the door that's what i want to talk about with. you one way to get into the door is to show if, you are a federal official is -- and the success and sting in federal court, or the succession actually getting your case dismissed is a whole other part of the analysis. and and i want to make sure that people understand when

they're listening right. now meadows may successfully remove the case. but that does not mean that his defenses are necessarily successful when he's in federal court. is that correct? >> that is correct and i think that it is a really difficult separation. but what judges have said in the past when they've allowed removal is i don't need to decide the question of immunity, or your defense is right. now i can go ahead and just remove this case because what you have done is raise a plausible claim. you just kind of have to make the argument and it is to be seen here to what extent judge jones will require meadows to prove some of those defenses iqs raised, like supremacy clause immunity. but in the past we've seen in the northern district in georgia that it's a very low bar to raise this argument and judges, you know tend to be

quite deferential to these ideas of federalism and the idea that, you know, a federal official should have his claims litigated in federal court. so it is really important for folks to understand that just because something is removed a federal court that doesn't mean necessarily that meadows defenses that he raised will be accepted by the federal judge later down the road. >> i'm glad that we had this conversation because i know that a lot of people may get worried if they hear that meadows's successful to get to federal court. but you, know alas, it doesn't mean that they're going to prevail. and i'm bauer i'm glad to see those exactly pdfs behind. you i grew up loving my encyclopedias. what i see you monday in court? >> and i will see you there. >> annabella, lawfare, thank you so much for being there appreciated. >> and coming up, next commemorating the 16th anniversary of the march on washington, dr. martin luther king junior's eldest son, wife and, daughter join me next to

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the historic march on washington. it's not a quarter of 1 million people walk the national mall and one of the most notable turning points in the civil rights movement. the call to action is being continued. civil rights leaders and hundreds of community groups are rallying in the same location where doctor martin luther king junior delivered his iconic i have a dream speech. organizers have noted that today's event will address a range of issues, including threats to democracy, criminal justice reform, and voting rights. joining me now, martin luther king the third, andrea king, yolanda king.

activists and family of the late civil rights icon, dr. martin luther king junior. it's an honor and pleasure to welcome both of you this morning. i will start with you. and your fathers i had a dream speech, he said he dreamed of the day that his children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, by the content of their character. 60 years later, we are here. do you think that is the reality for black americans in our country? >> no, i don't think that day has arrived yet, tragically. we should be further than where we are and our nation. around a range of issues. certainly from income and inequality, black families, white families in america have over $175,000 saved, up black families have less than 10,000. that's just one of many metrics where we must work to realize. >> andrea, the voting rights

act of 1965 was such a major victory for the civil rights movement. in the years since, it was signed into, law that legislation has been gutted. how has the fight for voting rights changed in the 60 years since that march on washington? >> i can't help but reflect on your first question, when you talked about the part of dr. king speech, when you talked about the -- the daughter who joins us today, yolanda is the only grandchild of martin luther king junior, and gratitude got king. 15 years, old she has progressively lost rights since the day she was born. she was born in 2008. that started in 2013, the voting rights act. the crown jewel of the civil rights movement. it's totally decimated. what we have seen since that time, rampant legislation being pushed through all over the country. making it harder, not easier,

for people to vote. we are seeing laws that are being passed that instead of listing people labs are trying to limit our hard won rights. >> yolanda, at 15, i know that you've seen this happening. not only have voting rights been challenge, so has the teaching of black history. what do you make a states like florida attempting to whitewash black history? >> well, i think that we are in a very -- time in history right now. we also have to go back to what happened in 2020. we saw that there was a lot of people showing up to vote. it was numbers we had never seen. as a result, there was no pushback. if you look at times before, that whenever there is some sort of action that occurs, there is always a pushback. i think that we need to acknowledge that. i know that during this time, it is so easy.

now we have to keep going. it determines the path that this country will take. >> martin, organizers of today's event have made it a point to call the 60th anniversary a continuation of the fight for civil rights. not a commemoration. so, how urgent are the issues that are facing all americans today? >> well, the issues are so challenging. we've never seen -- my dad and mom talked about eradicating the triple evils of poverty, racism, violence. when we look at poverty numbers, they are higher than they should be in this great country. if we look at racism, it's at an all-time high. racism against everybody. racism around black folk, around jewish people, around islamic people. around asian people. even around native americans. this is a better nation and the behavior exhibiting. first of, all how do we come

together? how do we bring civility black to the political discourse? we used to be able to disagree without being disagreeable. which is what my father and mother taught. now we are at an all-time high. we must ultimately -- my dad would say -- learn how to live together as brothers. or we might perish as fools. while one does not want to see that, it is up to us to come together. and that's why we have such a broad coalition from labor, from the african american community. from the jewish community. from the lgbtqia community. from the asian community. from the indigenous community. we are coming together to say we must create the -- for america to move forward. not a backward direction. >> andrea, your husband talks about the diverse coalition of multi cultural groups from lgbtq community to immigrant, groups to the aapi community. what are those honest conversations that are taking place to create the tie that

binds these groups so that we can have the strongest coalition in the fight for equality? coalition in the fight f>> welln january 6th, 2021, this nation witnessed an insurrection. today, on august 26 2023, we are seeing a resurrection. a resurrection of democracy. a resurrection of us standing together and coming together. you are going to see today the great tapestry of diversity in this country. intentional in all the organizers and major institutes, adl, is ensuring that we have everybody represented here. we are seeing the best of who we are today. 200 plus groups. you are seeing all communities standing together. all generations standing together. >> yolanda, you are still too young to vote. you are already so involved in

the civil rights fight. what do you say to your peers who may not be of age to vote, but they want to make an impact just like you? >> well, i would like to acknowledge that even though i'm not able to vote, there are ways that we can support those around us to vote. a lot of us have older siblings who are old enough to vote. so, encouraging them to vote. even family friends our parents. anson on calls and cousins. just encouraging the people around us who are old enough to vote. voting is really one of the -- it should be one of the most fundamental rights that we should have. as, well it is one of the most important things that someone can do to contribute to this country. it really determines the path we are taking. i believe there are so many great politicians who have ideas who really resolve these problems. they are worth hearing. by voting, we can't really hear

their ideas. we can see these issues that we've been talking about for so long getting resolved. for young people, getting involved, there are so many ways you can get involved. just encouraging the people around you to vote. you don't necessarily have to be a public speaker to make an impact and to take action. you can start clubs that your school. you can start a social media page. you can follow people who talk about important issues. you can organize your community to do something. you can organize your sports team to do something. make something regarding -- relating to these issues, using art. a lot of people don't really realize this. art had a huge impact and presence in the civil rights movement. i think it's important to acknowledge that there are so many other outlets that people made an impact. >> yolanda king, wise beyond your years. martin with her king the third, andrea, king yolanda king, you

all give us hope and inspiration that the future will be good. i thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> and after our, break the khamenei craters like i want to align with trump supporters, the good liars joins me live to talk about the experience that was entertaining and alarming. still to come, the rise in power of the asian american voting bloc. we will discuss why both parties are going all out to court this corporate critical demographic. don't go anywhere. nywhere. ...to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business. right now get a free footlong at subway. like the subway series menu. buy one footlong in the app, get one free. for freeee. that's what i'm talking about. order in the subway app today.

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>> president trump is entitled to the presumption of innocence. >> president trump was the best president of the first -- >> vladimir putin who donald trump called brilliance, i said that donald trump was morally disqualified. >> if former president trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice? please raise your hand if you would. >> >> it seems like the ghost of past, present, a future. trump showed up at the debate after all. joining me now, the comedian and one half of the duo the good liars. jason, maybe we should have that one half and the other one half. you could be one hole. >> that would be nice. i would love that. >> we were talking about the frequent flyer miles. you went to milwaukee. >> on a scale of 1 to 10 of craziness, talk to me about the trump supporter craziness at milwaukee. >> i would say -- i haven't a lot of experience,

including january six. to call it a ten in milwaukee would -- yeah, i would say it's around an aids. an eight as far as the craziness goes. also it was very hot. it was very hot there. the trump supporters we saw there were all making fun of ron desantis. so, in a weird way we were able to find common ground in that respect. i enjoy making fun of ron desantis as well. it was a very hot scene. i talked to a donald trump impersonator who was sweating through his suit. he had literally a puddle underneath him of his own sweat. i asked him what he thought about global warming. he was like, it's not true. it's all bs. that's not true. and then he gave me the worst donald trump impression i've ever seen in my life. >> i'm not surprised. he's not -- that's true. >> when you are in milwaukee you had a chance to interview. you had a chance to have a

conversation with women about some people. i want to have our viewers take a quick listen. take a quick listen to what jason was able to glean from one of the trump supporters there. >> do you think donald trump is a -- >> he was during the primaries. if he endorsed someone -- >> like herschel walker? >> correct, i, mean for the most part and help these people -- >> doctor oz? >> they lost, but yeah. >> jason, where you are now governor desantis shirt? >> shawn from the rest of the people outside? >> there were desantis supporters there. she was for desantis. she said donald trump was number two. she wanted him to take a step back and be a kingmaker. if you look at the track record, he lost georgia twice. and lost pennsylvania maybe by picturing doctor oz, he is not really as much as a -- kingmaker as a loser maker. it doesn't have the same ring

to it. >> for those of us that actually live on planet earth, those of us that actually have some sanity, i am serious when i ask you this, jason, i know there's a lot of laughter and humid the cars out of what you do. i will give you guys credit. you don't mock the people you interview. you're very deadpan. you ask straight questions. you cannot guarantee the answers that come. i want context for our viewers. i want them to understand that when you go to these events, there is a level of a delirium and or kind of alternate reality that they are living, and right? speak frankly about what you experience when you doing this. >> it depends, people ask about when you go to these trump rallies, when you talk to these people. how many of them believe -- >> truly believe. >> yeah, it's a sample audience. these people love donald trump to go there. they are the people that have fallen down the online rabbit hole. they got red peeled. qanon, all that stuff. we talk to somebody outside

fulton county jail who said that he didn't think donald trump was even going to show up on thursday. he thought it might have been one of his clones that would show up. >> he's being serious. he's not pulling your left. >> it's a good question to ask. he also went on to say the earth was flat. i don't know that i would trust his sources for this thing. i can't verified that he's the one that showed up. they're all the people that have those out there. there's also the people who are like the election is stolen. they are going along the lines of what donald trump tells them. the anger that's at the base now about the 2020 election. there is also people that are really out there. it's a smaller percentage. >> you are in fulton county. milwaukee defoliant county. you went outside the jail where donald trump showed up. the six foot three 2:15 version, which i beg to differ. when that happens, or the supporters outside indignant?

where they mad about what was happening? were they celebrating the defiance that they thought their supreme leader was bringing? >> it was funny. it wasn't a blood test when the mugshot came out. everybody on the left was, like making jokes. myself included. i was making jokes about the mugshot. everybody on the right was like, he is so defiant. he is so tough. you see, there is, some people see tough. >> that's a bad blue steel that's what i said on the internet. >> he said he's 63. we saw him in 2016, we shook his hand. he was quite a bit shorter than me. and i am 63. >> you're not. >> -- i maybe 63 and a half. >> he saying he's six, 3 to 15. i do not believe. it that might have been a lie. --

>> i am shocked that donald trump might be lying. [laughter] >> it was a very, very out there seen. we've kind of become known to it. all of the indictments arrests that we've been to. we went to all three of them in d.c., new york, miami. >> are you doing punch cars? >> free smoothie -- >> jason, look. i've got to go, sadly. i really appreciate what you guys do. you bring humor to it. you interject. it you highlight the insanity of it. you're actually very respectful of the way you interact with these supporters. after all, well, i don't know. some of them think the earth is flat. jason selvig from the good life, thanks for being here, i appreciate it. coming up, according to aapi voters, democrats and republicans recognize the political power of this growing demographic. looking to seize on it. my friend ali velshi joins me later to discuss the continued

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as a first generation korean american about 30 years ago. before that time, ronald reagan was president, the majority of asian american citizens voted republican. times are definitely changing. asian american and pacific islanders are emerging as a coveted voting bloc for both parties in the upcoming election. according to the census bureau, between 2016 2020, the ap voter turnout down from 49% to 59%. marking the largest increase of any racial or ethnic group. for the past ten, years democrats have successfully vied for api votes with pro integration rhetoric and appeals to the working class. and, fact the api voter turnout in key swing states help propel joe biden to the presidency in 2020. now, both at the democratic and republican parties say that they are launching an unprecedented effort to court this crucial voting bloc. joining me now, nbc news a senior national political

reporter so phil cooper. it's so good to see you. these numbers are wild. you wrote this amazing piece for nbc news. straight out of the gate, it shows, for example, senator raphael warnock and georgia. 84% asian american turnout in that battleground state. he produced ads in mandarin, korea, and vietnamese to mobilize asian american voters carrying 78% of that vote in the runoff. he won. so, talk to our viewers about why even though aapi voters have been a strong block, they are very appealing to both sides of the aisle. >> that is right, katie. asian american voters have arrived as a force in the american electorate and the last presidential election makes that abundantly clear. this has been understood to be a fast growing demographic. it's never been enough of a share of the electorate. it is still a small, share it's very clear that i'm asian americans are punching above their weight when it comes to political power.

in the 2020 election, i was just stunned to learn some of these statistics. here president biden won 72% of the asian american vote. trump won just 28%. it was a crushing defeat. the turnout jumped, as you pointed, out from 49% in 20 -- in 2020. it was the largest jump of any racial or ethnic group when it comes to voter turnout. in battleground states, this is where the rubber meets the road. more than 350,000 was the jump of aapi voters. in an election where president trump, former president trump lost by 45,000 votes in key swing states. aapi voters made up the difference. think about that for a minute. without the asian american vote in 2020, donald trump is very likely still be president. just based on that, alone i think both parties have taken note about this community's ability to be a powerful force in crucial swing states. like georgia, like nevada, 10%

of the electorate in 2022, catherine cortez masto held on by less than one point. she probably wouldn't be a senator today. actively courted aapi voters in unprecedented ways by cutting ads in different languages. , so you start to see how the parties candidates and the committees have taken note of the power of the voters. >> let's talk about some of the problems that are specific to the aapi community. i had a chance to speak to the voters as well. it's interesting, for example, the spanish language could be understood by different people from different spanish speaking countries. when it comes to asian languages, koreans down to necessarily understand chinese, don't necessarily understand japanese, who don't necessarily understand the enemies. the character system is different. do you find that with the aapi community, for example, voting ballots, typically an english, spanish, creole, maybe a dialect of chinese. they are not in the available languages. do you think that's actually a

problem to be able to affect turnout for api voters? >> absolutely. i think the fact that latino voters, for instance, there's one language they generally recognize and understand. it's much easier to reach them as a block. asian american voters, this is proof they are not a monolith. they are very challenging to reach. in places like orange county and california, there are a lot of the enemies americans. republicans have had some success at siphoning off that group of voters. most asian american ethnicities, chinese americans, korean american, indian american strongly prefer democrats. vietnamese americans are an exception to that. there is still -- the two parties are still in political in the data gathering process in terms of how to reach these voters. what sorts of social media are they on? do they reside or respond to mail campaigns the same way.

this is still an ongoing and fluid process. after 2020 and 2022, the two parties have way more data than they've ever had before about the asian american voters and how to reach them. sahil kapur, i invite our viewers to go to nbc news.com and read your piece. not only is it chock full of statistical data, which is utterly fascinating for me to read, it has a really insightful analysis that you've also shared with us this morning. i thank you for joining us today. >> thank, you katie. >> coming up next, my friend and colleague ali velshi joins me in the studio to talk about the fight against banning books. that's after the break. be sure to stay with msnbc all day as we mark the 16th anniversary celebration of the march on washington. a defining moment in the civil rights movement. il rights movement. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data.

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continue to skyrocket. according to pen america the first half of the 2023 school year there have been almost 1500 instances of books being removed. back in february, my next guest started a weekly segment prompting him to launch a podcast. the main focus of the velshi banned book club podcast is to raise awareness about each authors where and why these stories are important. here is how one of the authors put it. >> my hope is that in instead of a leaning into this fear that your kids are going to be exposed to something and a book that they're likely already exposed to in the world, parents would lean into the idea of compassion and being interested and other people stories. >> joining me now, msnbc host ali velshi. you are on the other side of this? right >> how does it feel? >> totally different energy. >> while we have you, hear why

do this podcast? why just become, trouble in biden author, talk about their, moving on to the next topic? >> the response to the segment, by the way, from a tvs perspective, it's easy to look. they banned books every week. the audience response was tremendous. we are all over why people buy books. we know band books. we know why. what we do, we read these books. we discuss the words in it. we discuss the ideas behind. it we spend very little time on the ban. they're all the same. we start to read the literature. it's a book club. we discuss with the author why they use this language, why this vehicle. why this terminology. what was swept under the rug, a book that was just, band it's full of detail and remarkable textures. the important part is it lends itself to a podcast. you can be out running. you don't have to read the

book. we read it for you. we are discussing with the author. in the, and you will read the book. our model is reading is resistance. >> talk us through the selection process. >> tell us why you picked these books. >> this isn't an episode one or two. this was the place it started. it became such a movement. they wrote this for the new york times magazine. it's becoming a movie now. there was such objection to the idea that he would introduce a theme that americans hadn't thought. about 60 19 is when the first enslaved people arrived on american shores. perhaps our history as a country, a settle, country gets thought about that way. really, when we were looking at starting the book, club the emphasis had moved and not adjust from books about americas racial reckoning, to lgbtq+ authors. by the, way if you're lgbtq plus and a person of color and you add a gender identity

questions, -- your office, or on the list. here's the thing, when we had these conversations, when we invite them, on the book sales actually do go up. >> people are curious. a lot of my books are lgbtq people in school. there is also checks roll assaults. those things do happen in school. what a lot of our authors, say students write to them and say thank you for your book. people are considering taking their own lives now see themselves in a book. it might be uncomfortable for some parents to read the subject matter. maybe it's important. maybe it's life-saving. >> it provides a relatability. it provides a vehicle. one thing you said before we started the segment that resonated with me, this idea that you might not have this experience. because you didn't have the experience, it opens your mind. and in the soul that someone had a journey that's different with yours. >> let's say you don't like the subject matter.

the right is yours to determine what they concern. one of the things about book bans is you're giving the right to the state whether that's the school library or the local library or the state itself. let's preserve our fifth amendment right to write and to read anything we want. if you don't want your kids reading certain material, that's fine. by the way a lot of these authors say -- it's not appropriate. that's the thing. you don't have to like. it many of the authors say they write make people uncomfortable. some novels are written to make people comfortable. today i'm talking about romeo and juliet. it's all sorts of things. >> it's being banned. i always say, florida is the epicenter of all things really messed up. >> even shakespeare is being taken off. >> they will read excerpts of it to make sure that the salacious, sought, sexual stuff does not get in. sought, sexuain the context of,

teaching and reading should be in the context of education. it's not pornography. if you don't understand the difference between those two things, that's an issue. everybody's got phones. anything that you tell them, the minute you say this because, banned guess what kids are going to do? they're going to figure out where else they can get to the book. or get it digitally. go and buy it. it is a loser's game to ban books. book banners don't read books. we do, my club members do. >> during this podcast, not only do you synthesize the book and its themes, its characters, you actually have the authors themselves speak with you about the why and the how. >> when they are alive. >> for instance, undoing romeo and juliet. >> i've got some great -- >> we have. we have -- when we do tony morrison, for, instance we bring in experts on the topic. most of my viewers, most of my book club featured authors are alive. it is remarkable to hear their love of language and words and

writing and why they wrote the book. it is so much more interesting than what their book got banned. the best part about this is, it is a curation mechanism to be part of a book club that you don't have to do any work for. the only thing we don't give you as the wife. we're trying to figure it out. >> i will bring some for us. >> so great to see you in person. >> i love seeing in person. i know you have to go and educate the rest of us. i want to thank you for being here, ali velshi. i will thank you all for joining me this morning. i'll be back here tomorrow. will welcome texas congresswoman jasmine crockett to discuss the house republicans probe of fulton county district attorney fani willis. that started 80 am eastern on msnbc. remember, you can keep up with us by following at katie phang show on instagram, tiktok, and x, formerly known as twitter. stay tuned, my friend ali velshi -- run, elie, run is next with the latest. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data.

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