might perish as fools. >> meanwhile, the white house is touting their actions from executive orders on police reform to judicial nominations to black unemployment. they're saying that they are making progress. of course, alex, we know there's more to do. >> there's a lot more to do, indeed. thank you so much, appreciate that. good to see you, check. we have another hour, starting right now. right now. >> a very good at all of you, from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome to alex witt reports. we have giving you this breaking news, we mention just a few minutes ago. legendary host of the price is right, bob barker, has died. he was 99 years old. msnbc's joe fryer takes a look back at his life and legacy. >> come on down! >> come on down. >> those three words is all it took. >> come on! down >> the thing i hear, come

on down! every place i go. the beach in hawaii. europe. museums. a little softer, maybe. come on down! >> it's the price is right. >> the 35 years, bob barker hosted the price is right. a show the challenged contestants to get the price on everyday items. >> the actual retail price is, $200. irene, you are the winner. >> darlington, washington. barbara spent his early years on the rosebud indian reservation in south dakota. where his mother was a schoolteacher. 1942, he joined the navy, training as a fighter pilot during world war ii. his entertainment career began in radio, with a bob barker show. >> okay, i got. it go. >> the big break in television came six years later, hosting the game show, truth or consequences. >> if you look excitement, you have come to the right place.

>> in 1972, he was on to the show that would make him a household name. >> 33 cents. >> it is become the longest running game show in television history. an animal rights advocate, barker quit as host of the miss usa pageant in 1988, when organizers refused to remove four coats from the price package. >> that educated the public, to a certain extent, people who never thought about the cruelty to animals in for before, we're suddenly thinking about it. >> he later founded an organization focused on reducing the overpopulation of domestic cats and dogs. >> i was born with nothing but compassion and love for animals. >> after each show, barker would make this plea to his audience. >> please remember, help control the pet population, have your pet spayed or neutered. goodbye, everybody. >> i want the whole thing.

>> on the big screen, he took a few swings that adam settler. in happy gilmore. 2007, the 83 year old barker bid a heartfelt goodbye, ending a 50 year career that included 19 emmys. >> i want to thank you very, very much. for inviting me into your home. for the last 50 years. i am deeply grateful. contestants on a show one valuable prizes, it was barker that one over daytime tv in america, with his easygoing smile. joe fry, or nbc news. >> joining me now is npr tv critic, eric deggans. iraq, it seems like we lost a very, very decent man in bob barker. i, mean he was so talented. he just, everything that he radiated about him, just spoke of being a good guy. >> well, he certainly, he

perfected the poise of the modern, classic game show host. this guy who is affable and warm and charismatic. no matter what, a contestant may say or do on the show, he's ready to turn it into entertainment. he draws things out of everyday people in ways that maybe even they didn't realize. how funny they could be. how entertaining they could be. of course, he took a lot of stance off camera, in terms of, you know, being an advocate for animals. he himself, he stopped coloring his hair. he stopped eating meat. became a vegetarian. as the piece noted, he stopped hosting the miss usa and miss universe pageant, because they featured furs during the competition. he thought it would be hypocritical to have them shown while he was on stage. >> one of 2%. he took a lot of credit for really putting the discussion of animal rights and humane

treatment of them and population control of domesticated animals and pets at the forefront. it's something he must of been extremely proud of. that along with all of the emmys that he won over his lengthy career. did he stay active in animal rights after he left television? >> well, he helped develop, and i think may have cofounded, a group that was dedicated to that cause. and the person who, i think, helped found it with him. also, took care of him in his later years. he remained intimately involved with that. i got to interview bob barker back in 2003 when he was celebrating his 80th birthday at cbs had scheduled a few shows to pay tribute to him. he told me back then, his key to being a good game show host was experience. he knew the game so well, he

didn't have to think about how to introduce them, how to play them. and that he listened to the contestants. when they came and they said something, he was ready to take advantage of, it rather than thinking about what he had to say next, or the camera had to face, or how to tell people how this game is gonna be played. all that stuff was muscle memory for him. he was able to focus on the contestants, and making them look good on camera. >> you know, to think about someone having a 50-year long career, 35 of which at that game show, it is an extraordinary thing. it's really unparalleled. i know we have pat sajak, who's announced his retirement at the end of the season, from game show hosting as well, where do game shows stand right now in the television landscape? how prominent are? they how durable are they? how long will they be around, do you think? >> well, it's interesting. because of the actors and writers strikes in hollywood,

we're actually seeing a lot of game shows on primetime tv. they're often hosted by people who are celebrities for other things. jamie fox host chastain. we have actors and actresses hosting 10,000 dollar pyramid over the weakest link. but bob barker was always a game show host. even though he did cameos and other things. when i asked him about that, he said, you know, i know i'm saying one song really well, i think it all the time. i think you represent a generation of performers, what they did was game show hosts. alex trebek, the late departed, much appreciated alex trebek, bob barker, and pat sajak, or the last vestiges of people who made their fame as game show hosts, retained their fame as game show hosts.

and retired from their careers as game show host. >> pretty extraordinary. we can't forget vanna white as well, the two for one package. >> she's not retiring it! >> she's gonna stick around. anyway, bob barker, again, such -- he just came off as a good guy. he was much beloved by the fence. >> well, i do want to point out before we end the segment, there were times when the show was sued for sexual harassment. and claims of problematic workplace by some of the models who worked on the show. and barker was included in some of that litigation. so, it's worth pointing out, there were some people who felt that the workplace behind the scenes at the prices right wasn't necessarily what they wanted or what they thought was fair. but certainly, bob barker hadn't admirable career, and took a lot of great stains off air as well.

>> yeah, well said. i'm glad included as well. as part of the legacy that he leaves behind. thank you so much, eric, it's good to see you as always. take me on this breaking story, again, for all of you. game show host, longtime game show host and really icon in so many ways, barbaric or, passing away at 99 years old. there is another story, of course, a big one recovering today. it's in, washington city, with a march to mark 60 years since dr. martin luther king jr.'s i have a dream speech. crowds are right now gathered on the mall, the national mall that, is to honor american heroes that have been brutalized and arrested in the 1960s fight for civil rights. and to recommit to battles still ahead, with a caveat, for one surviving icon of the movement. 91 year old andrew young. take a listen. >> i was here 60 years ago. but i was also here 66 years ago, in 1957.

it's been a long but wonderful struggle. and i'm here to tell you know i don't feel in any way tired. we've come too far. from where we started from. nobody ever told us that the way would be easy. frankly, as messed up as we can be, as difficult as life is, there is no place on earth that's any better than these united states of america. >> there, you have andrew young, again, ambassador of civil rights leader, often glad to hear him there. we also understand that james clyburn is coming up, i think he's right there. let's take a listen to him. >> ladies gentlemen, 60 years ago, when martin luther king junior and others stood on this

podium, they followed an event that took place about four months earlier, when king was sitting in the birmingham city jail. he received a letter from eight clergymen, asking him to leave birmingham because he was a disruptive force. they told him, they thought that his cause was right, but his timing was wrong. king answered them saying, time is never right. time is never wrong. time is neutral! and then king said these words. i want you to think about today. he said he was coming to the conclusion, that the people of ill will in our society were making a much better use of time than the people of goodwill.

the people of ill will are working hard, using their time, to suppress the vote. using their time to deny women the right to choose, using their time to silence the voice of young legislators down in tennessee, using their time to deny justice in history to blacks in florida. people of goodwill, king said to us on that day, that we are going to need to repent, not just for the vitriolic words and deeds of bad people, but for the appalling silence of good people. we come today, to break our silence! we come today, to let the people, the governor of florida no, he will not erase our history. we come today to let the governor of texas no, he will not overturn our votes.

we come today, to let the people of ohio know, we stand in solidarity with them to make sure that women maintain the right to govern their own bodies! we come today, to rededicate ourselves to the proposition that we will not be silenced! [applause] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and amen to that. congressman jim clyburn right there, making a powerful statement in a couple of minutes that he's been allotted. speaking there on the steps of the lincoln memorial. let's go to nbc's tremaine lee, is there at the rally for us. tremaine, welcome back. when you hear words like jim clyburn, like what we heard before from ambassador andrew young, how inspiring is that? not only for you, covering this, but for everybody around you? >> i'll tell you what, alex. certainly the original folks who marched here, we're doing

so in a very momentous and historic time. let's not forget, there were still lynching in -- and a deeply segregated society. and for many of the folks today, and even those spoken like congressman clyburn behind us, there's still a massive gap between the haves and have-nots, black folks and white folks the inequality still runs deep but to hear folks like andrew young, and congress meng clyburn, it's a reminder that giants walk among us. people who witnessed, not only witnessed history in those very important critical moment in american history, but played a role in pushing us forward. i've been talking to folks all day, to get an understanding of what this moment means. compared to 1963. i had a chance to actually talk with dr. king's family. martin lurking the third, his wife, andrea, and a 15 old daughter, yolanda. i was asking them about why this moment matters in particular? they talked about not just commemorating history, but also continuing the legacy. let's take a listen. legacy.>> there's a hatred we t

seen. yes, there was that sufficient in 1963, but the hatred seems to metastasize, so that many groups are being attacked, from blacks, from jewish people, from islamic people, from leaders of the lgbtqia community. something is wrong in this climate right now. and we have to make the dramatic turn. so, that is why this is not a celebration. this is really about moving forward. >> all the haters and fighters out there -- >> to hear martin king the third say that freedom ain't free, folks are still paying on freedom. talk about this rise of hate crimes, the antisemitism, of all the kinds of racial and political violence we have seen ramping up. the attacks of democracy. attacks on a woman's bodily autonomy. all in this moment, which is kind of an odd parallel to 1963. , but it is a spectacle.

history is a continuum. right now,. alex >> a continuum indeed. thank you, tremaine. for that i appreciate you. and with this, like this, everyone. it's different when you see it in person. my next guest spent days outside the fulton county jail. his reflections on what he saw and what comes next on monday. plus, what the former president's mugshot tells us about the state of america's justice system. we're back in 60 seconds. sonecds (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon. my frequent heartburn had me taking antacid after antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. ♪ ♪

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2nd of 2024. while trump team wants to delay the trial until april of 2026. also on monday, a hearing to address mark meadows's request to move his election interference case from georgia to a federal courts, district attorney fani will miss us subpoena georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, and his former chief investigator, testifying in that one. raffensperger became a key witness in this case after trump was heard on that call asking raffensperger to find 11,000 votes after he lost georgia in 2020. and d.a. willis has requested trump and other defendants be arraigned the week of september 5th. it is unclear if trump will return to georgia for those proceedings or waive his right to appear. donald trump maintains his innocence and has pled not guilty to all of the charges that he is currently facing. joining me now, greg bluestein, msnbc political contributor political reporter for the atlanta journal-constitution, and also, author of flipped, how georgia turned purple and broke a monopoly on republican power.

also, msnbc legal analyst charles coleman. charles is a former brooklyn prosecutor and host of the chairman coleman podcast. good to see you both, craig and, going to start with you here, you were at that jail in atlanta. you watch donald trump come and go from being arrested. how orderly was that entire process, and how did his differ from any of the other high-profile arrests, if at all? >> you know, it was very orderly. you have to give tribute to fulton county sheriff, you know, there's demonstrators, there was protesters, there was a circus like atmosphere, i would say, but also things were kept under control. there was very little violence, there was no violence, nothing out of the ordinary there. he was sort of the typical scene you would see at a trump rally. trust me i've, been to dozens of trump rallies. i didn't see anything in there i wouldn't see at any of the don trump rallies i've covered throughout the nation. very secure, i felt safe the entire time, there was a hard lockdown, and when they say

lockdown, they mean lockdown, it was once within a couple hours of the former presidents arrival, there was no going in and out of anywhere, so, it was a unique process to, say the. least >> i can imagine. what kind of reaction, greg, are you seeing overall from georgians. because i want to show folks what you tweeted on thursday. this photo, and i have a caption, this is joel from woodstock. a former republican who came to the fulton county jail this morning to deliver a message. i want to see the sociopath who tried to steal my vote in 2020 go to prison. it's that a sentiment, greg being shared by some? by many? or not at all? >> such a good question because i think georgians overall lineup in three very broad blocks. there is republicans who are going to be loyalist to donald trump, no matter what. just to be folks like joel, who want nothing to do with him. they might be former republicans, they might be democrats, but they feel like these charges are just. and they are significant, and they are important, consequentially.

and there's a third block of voters of georgians who might be kind of in the mix of all this. they might be the voters of my devoted for governor brian kemp and other republicans, but did not vote for herschel walker, the trump backed candidate last. eric did not vote for trump in 2020. and that, to me, that is the most consequential and significant block of voters out there, because fatal side of the 2020 election. they decided the 2021 election. they decided the 2022 election, and there might not be many of them, but there's enough that they can swing the 2024 vote here in georgia. >> and craig, the republican white house judiciary committee, that launched a probe into georgia's election interference case against trump, is very similar to what they did after trump was indicted in new york. that was ca fani willis reacting to that request for her to turn over all the documents related disinvested a shun? >> we haven't heard much from her office on this particular probe yet. we expect her office to cooperate at some, point especially for a federal subpoena, but look, this is part and parcel of a number of efforts of trump's allies to

undermine her investigation. this comes as no surprise to fani willis, that suppress democrats, no surprise to districts her niece here in georgia. there's another effort underway, using a new state law that is designed to sanction and potentially oust district attorneys who are seen not to follow the state law. there's already calls to investigate fani willis using this new state law in october. again, this is something fani willis has warned against. she said republicans could come out and use this against him. number, there's a number of republican dea and republican officials have also warned this very thing and there's a lawsuit right now challenging this law in georgia that was brought by a bipartisan coalition of local prosecutors, so this is something it really bears watching. >> yeah, it does, for sure, especially because it's bipartisan in nature. charles, look at to monday, if federal judge is going to hold a hearing on former white house chief of staff, mark meadows motion, for his case to move to federal court from georgia. fani willis has subpoenaed georgia secretary of state,

brad raffensperger, to testify. what are you expecting the meadows team to argue and what are the chances we hear from mark meadows himself? >> well, mark meadows is going to be attempting to arctic is essentially that this should be in federal court because what he facilitated that call, he was doing so asked the chief of staff with the white house, and because of that, as a federal action, that is protected by his job and should be something that should be litigated in federal court. of course, the challenge that is going to be that when you are facilitating this call with a secretary of state, you are doing so in the capacity of someone who was in support of the donald trump campaign. not donald trump, the president. so, it does fall outside of your duties as a federal government official. that is really what the issues here that is being litigated by mark meadows and his team, and i suspect will be unsuccessful in terms of his plea. hearing from mark meadows as part of this hearing is not necessarily likely to happen. i think most of that is going to take place on papers. in terms of the arguments that are going to be made.

i don't expect him to necessarily testify is perfect but at its core, that's the argument. that's what he's trying to allege that this should be in federal court because it was an action that was taken as chief of staff, as opposed to something he was doing in support of the campaign. >> so charles, this first georgia tape for the racketeering cases suffered october 23rd, for now that, they only applies to kenneth chesebro, who asked for a speedy trial, doesn't asked applied to the other 18 -- though fani willis request is that everyone charged together. we are here into the city powerhouse also asked for a speedy trial. so, we have the trump team wanting to slow down the trial and others trying to speed it up. where does this ultimately land? one multi defendant trial, or will there be potentially 19 separate trials? >> alex, anticipates going to be something in the middle, fani willis was very ambitious, which i understand as a former prosecutor, in saying she wanted to try all 19 codefendants at the same time.

now, considering that in terms of the practicality and reality, that was very unlikely to happen. it still is unlikely to happen. my suspicion is what will happen here is oftentimes, what you see with rico cases, which is to break them up into groups based off of their actions and their level of culpability, and you try those groups to gather and numbers around four, five, a spending a six. but i don't expect 19 to be trying together, sydney powell and both can just borrow are looking to push the dea on the speedy trial notion, it's a bit of a gamble. i think it's a gamble that is intended to embarrass fani willis, because i don't think she is going to necessarily be ready, but ultimately, i think it's going to backfire on them because she is going to make sure that her assistance and her office are ready to move forward when it's time, now if, on donald trump, i am letting all of this play out before my eyes because everything we are talking about is ultimately playing into my strategy around the way. all of these motions and pushes by other defendants who are trying to do speedy trial,

aren't doing anything but allowing the court and the eighth office to get bogged down in motion practice and going back and forth to try to keep this train on the tracks. so, i'm not making any move until i see how things are shaping out, but this in a big picture scheme does play to donald trump's advantage, at least in the short run, because he wants to continue to delay. >> let me ask you one last question, charles,-year-olds a civil rights attorney, when you look at this mugshot of the former president of the united states, who has now been indicted four times, what does it tell you about the state of america's justice system? >> well, i think it is a very important inflection point. we've been talking about the march today and looking back at what it means for america, and i think that it's such a sharp contrast that as you are having the same recognition and revisiting of many of the issues around black unemployment, around civil rights, around equal access that the march was intended to do 60 years ago, you have now the former president of the

united states of america, who is indicted and arrested for the fourth time in several months, and i think this is a really important point for american democracy, and its institutions, the criminal justice institution being one of them, our faith and our institutions is something that needs to be restored, and hopefully, this is an example or a physical evidence of a first step in a very long road to that place of restoration. for some of us, that faith never existed entirely, because we have never had access to it entirely. i am speaking specifically about black americans but if there is any hope. if there is any path forward, this is a start. they started surrounds accountability for everyone to be held to all of the rules equally. amen to >> that okay, my friend, charles coleman, you're gonna stick around. there you go too far. greg bluestein, i was good to see you as well, my friend. thank you so much for your time. alike it out with you saturday. we have this breaking news, everyone. it's pretty serious. at least seven people have been injured in a shooting during

the annual caribbean carnival in boston. it happened just this morning. police say firearms were recovered, arrests toughen made, he's shooting took place on the outskirts of a parade, causing a big enough crime scene to actually stop that parade. boston's mayor addressing the situation, just this last hour, take a listen. >> it's always just heartbreaking to hear that a treasured community offense has been disrupted by acts of violence from those who had nothing to do with the offense and there's no. , absolutely no excuse for something that is open to the community and part of boston's culture, and heritage, to be talked about in this way because of the acts that were introduced. >> the victims have been hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries. the remainder of today's event is trying to go on as scheduled, coming up next, we're going to head back to washington for the 60th anniversary of dr. martin luther king's i have a dream

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look at today's march on washington. someone 30 familiar to our msnbc viewers, there you see maya wylie, a frequent guest on many of our shows. here all for the former new

york city mayoral candidate, she is speaking there with her typical passion. i wish we could listen to that for a moment, but i know they will do that in the control booth for us. my thanks to eddie gone, who's been sticking with me or hair in the studio. also, county should grant a charles coleman, for staying with me as. well, so welcome. as a history professor, eddie, how do you explain the significance of this march 16 years ago and every march that has happened in the years since? how do you explain the message that it sends and the footprint that has on our culture and society? >> i would say as an african american studies perfect, given the backdrop on the assault of crt and black studies and lost across the country. from that vantage point, it's a story about the battle for democracy in there. how the mid 20th century represented this moment where every day, ordinary people decided to risk everything to make real promises of america,

and we tend to highlight august 28th of 1963 as the kind of penultimate moment, but as i've been saying, that moment was framed by some extraordinary, heroic action, and so some unimaginable brutality. so, when we think about -- evers being killed on until 12, 1963, prior to that, june 11th, 1963, kennedy, goes on television and announces his commitment to civil rights, right? but it's a qualified commitment. and when we think about the violence that followed, and we think about the heroic efforts on the part of sharecroppers in mississippi, on the part of ordinary folk in alabama, in spite of that violence, to risk everything. right? it's extraordinary moment about the courage of ordinary people. >> yeah, that's exactly what is. very talented people as well. we think about the aura towards that inspired those ordinary people who come out and fight for change.

let me go with benjamin crump, who should be talking any minute at the podium. we're going to hear, also, later from the king family, reverend al sharpton, so, we're keeping a very close eye on all of that. but can you, should you get the sense that the fight for civil rights, that it's now only playing out in the courts? it doesn't mean there is no political will anymore to solve some of these outstanding issues in a big, bipartisan way? >> that's a really astute question. when i think about the fight for civil rights, i think about the fact that it's a very long flight, it's dr. lock has alluded to. we think this march on washington post 1963, but there was also one of the 1940s that does not come to. pat because it's the case then the president of the united states at the time, franklin roosevelt, gives the organizers what they want in exchange for keeping the folks out of washington, d.c.. we have to think about this as a very long struggle. and i think about this approach to the courts as a long, strategic move by conservatives

to make sure they can control what happens in the nation and the people don't have the ability to control it. so, we see or saw, during donald trump's administration, him furiously appointing folks to benches, and we saw that they were conservative in their nature, and that was because they understood they wanted to change or pivot their strategy to make it such that these things were adjudicated in courts by individual judges, as opposed to being adjudicated by the american people, or by the individuals in the legislature who are accountable to the american people. so, i think that question is right on, i think it's a case that it is moving more to the courts, and i think that's a bit of a problem. we would like to see our civil rights laws be more thoughtful and more responsive to what's happening in the nation, it is the case there are individuals in our nation who do not seek to see progress with civil rights. but i think the vast majority of us want to have a harmonious relationship with our neighbors and with the people around us. and i think that the most of us will like to see civil rights laws that would be something

that king and others who organized this day, that were commemorating the state, be proud of, and not these things that are drastically skewed to the rights, and some of these courts would like to see. >> and into charles, by the way, you've got a good from india. don't know if you've heard that could find, professor to professor there, charles you talk about voting rights with at least 104 restrictive voting laws passed in 33 gop-controlled states, that's all gone down since 2020. that's in the last three years. we are seeing new lawsuits filed by conservative challenging initiatives that break down barriers, put up specifically against african americans during jim crow. thus the power now lie ultimately with the supreme court, and doesn't mean political power that the black community has built overtime might have been a misplaced investment, given the makeup of that court right now? >> well, i wouldn't go far far as they say was a misplaced investment. i want to sort of piggyback on

my colleague from howard university left off. i have been forged in that same political science department which he now teaches very much so, understand that the conversation about civil rights in america has always been one around access, and i think we have to broaden our perspective in terms of how we think of civil rights and how it is used to create access of opportunity for black people, specifically when you're talking about the courts. we never had that luxury of being able to walk directly into the offices of policymakers and initially get what it was that we demanded, even if you look at the civil rights act of 1954, i'm sorry, 64, the title seven and all the other things that came out of that, that was borne out of a number of different strategic victories that were fought on a number of different battlefields, so, i think while the supreme court and different notions of disenfranchising around black voters should be of paramount concern, there is still the notion of strategy that we will have to continue

to employ, that we've always employed, around dismantling places that do not grant access equally to all people, so, i think that is something that we can take lessons from the past and employ them in the person to understand how we already have an existing roadmap to keep moving forward. here's something to happen, though at the. i'm curious, if you look at this march, uppercut the range of ethnically diverse groups, there is no group that is a monolith, of course. but what do you make a folks like edward blunt, the conservative activists who used asian american students to bring down successfully affirmative action? what does that tell you he? not was targeting corporations that have diversity fellowships or internships? talk about that. >> he's not alone, christopher refer and all these folks organizing to attack dei programs, not only in universities and colleges, but across corporate landscape. private and public sector, right? so i take it as this kind of attempt to, they call it color

blind equality. but it's really an attempt to protect a notion of whiteness that distributes benefit and burden. right? it's an expensive and precocious notion of whiteness that has historical meaning, historical roots, but it's evolving in interesting sorts of ways that it reaches and touches other groups and and interesting sorts of ways, that's a complicated conversation to have, that's something we need to talk about, because what it reflects is this refusal on the part of some people to believe that we are a multiracial, multi ethnic society. instead, they're doubling down on the belief we must remain a white nation in the vein of old europe, and we have to attack that head on. it seems to me. >> yeah. i do want to read this, and this comes from andrea waterskiing, who will be speaking in the next hour, everyone. she told the washington post for this, quote, we are literally witnessing oppression being legislated. how do we get here in such

short order, after the civil rights act? how do we stop this? >> i think it's the heart of the story we have to tell ourselves. and the story we have to tell ourselves is that we have always been on this hamster wheel, where there is an attempt to address the contradictions at the heart of the country, and then there's the betrayal. but we've described as the backlash. you've done all that we can do, and then we doubled down on her ugliness. so, we need to understand 1963, august of 1963, as a moment, but if we look at it across the entire spectrum of the black freedom movement, we see those forces unleashed immediately. immediately! to undo it. the civil rights act of 64, the voting rights act of 60, five getting in the question. freedom is not an end. now, it's a practice, and so what did we see immediately after the voting rights act of 60? five civil rights act of 64? we saw a concerted effort to

undermine? it 15 years later, ronald reagan would be elected in 1980 to undo it all. and we are still living 40, 50 years afterwards, in the shadow of that counter movement. so, we need to tell ourselves the truth about who we are. that's why we're here, because we refused to look ourself squarely in the face and grow the hell up. >> i'm so grateful to all three of you. honestly kadeisha, charles, eddie, your voices are really incredibly valuable in this conversation. thank you so, so much. we will continue listening to the speeches and the people who have come out this morning in washington. we're going to hear the more people from the crowd, next. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. so, no matter what, i'm running this kitchen. (vo) make the switch. it's your business. it's your verizon.

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members of congress, and civil rights activists are all gathered to remember the 1963 march on washington. this is all ahead of a march that is set to get started in the next hour or so. recovering it all for you, but let's head overseas now. the kremlin denying it had any involvement in that plane crash that presumably killed mercenary leader, yevgeny prigozhin. u.s. also dismissing u.s. intelligence reports pointing to sabotage as the most likely cause of the crash. let's go to megan fitzgerald, following a story for us from london. megan welcome. what's the latest on the investigation and what now for precocious wagner group mercenaries? >> alex, good to be with. you look, what we know about this investigation, according to russian officials, is that the latest information is they were able to gather the flight recorders from the scene of the crash. russia says it is still an active and ongoing investigation as to what caused this. like you said, to u.s. officials confirmed to nbc news that the intelligence they

gathered so far does point to sabotage. the leading theory here if there was some sort of an explosive on board that aircraft that brought him down. now, what's next for the wagner group is a great question. this point, there is no leadership for this mercenary group. we know that presumably, there are several lieutenants on board that aircraft to also perished in this crash. but we have been speaking with military analysts who say what is likely to happen here is we will see those mercenary members emerge and mixed in with the russian military. putin this amended all mercenary members sign an oath of allegiance to russia, and if there will be a leader of the mercenary group, it is likely will be handpick by president putin, alex. >> okay. the plot thickens and all of that think. you for your report, live from london. megan fitzgerald.

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and four others hurt, including a student. you can see players and fans are running and ducking for cover on the field. police are still looking for a suspect in that. in maui, some good news as crews search for those missing after the wildfires. the fbi says about 100 people on that list have come forward to say they are safe. 115 people have now been confirmed dead, hawaii's governor has its plans to extend temporary housing for those who have lost their homes. and four astronauts from four different countries are underway right now to the international space station after a successful nasa and spacex launch overnight. we will reach the space station tomorrow. placing a crew that is enough there since march. or on the anniversary of the march on compliment. they are waiting for the king family and reverend al sharpton to speak as we give a good look at our friend, mark morial. we're going to give you all those comments, live. >> workplace in america. we will and must level the playing field, so our children

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benjamin crump as he is taking there to the podium for the anniversary of the 60th year of the march on washington. let's take a listen to what he has to say. >> in the classrooms! to ban our black books! to plan our black authors! to ban diversity, equity, and inclusion programs! and have the audacity to try to mandate that they teach our children that slavery had positive benefits for our ancestors. as attorney general, at the -- i declare now more than ever, we must be unapologetically -- of black life, black liberty, and black humanity! >> yeah! >> and just like they try to

ban our black history, we must tell them without black history, you wouldn't have american history! and just like we fought for justice, for the families of trayvon martin, the families of eric garner, the families of george floyd, the families of oscar grant, the families of stefan clark, the families of aj to wins, the families of patrick lyon. the families of botham jones. the families of terrorist -- the families of jelani davis, the families of -- the families of roderick green, and the families of tyre nichols! if we must also fight to protect our black literature, our black culture, and our black history!

for all of our children, i mean, all of our children! our black children, our white children, our brown children, our red children! they all have to know! all of their histories, all of their cultures contributed to american history! and brothers and sister reads, we have to be ready to fight and until hill freezes over, and then, we got to be ready to fight on the -- because in conclusion, as i rest my case, all of our children can never ask a question, do they really mean it when they say black lives matter? no! our children got to know that we are willing to fight for them, and if need be, we are willing to die for them! in the spirit of martin luther

king and our ancestors, god bless you! god protect black history and all costs! [applause] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> listening to attorney benjamin crump. he had members of the families of trayvon martin, erik gardner, tyre nichols, george floyd there with him. faces we've sadly become all too familiar with, given the horrors and a tragedies that if we felt the family's. before we wrap up this hour, let's go quickly back to antonio hilton, who has been talking to folks on the ground there. that was powerful, antonio. >> alex, look. 60 years ago, americans from all over this country came to be at these steps to hear a similarly urgent message from dr. king. and to really look for a vision

for what this country could be, how it could be remade in more of our images, and now, we find there are generations of people here looking for the same, from people like attorney crump, from our colleague, who is going to speak any moment now, and you could see there's a bunch of kids behind me here. and many of them are from other states around the country who have made the time to be here in d.c. this weekend. to be part of this moment, to recommit themselves for a fight for civil rights, which can mean many things. for some folks i've spoken to today, it's about the books that have been banned in districts around the country, restrictions on lessons about race or gender, it can be an environmental justice, fighting for climate change and how that's going to affect communities of color. it could mean fair employment for so many, particularly the older generations that are here. so, we are about to hit the road. we'll be walking with these kids who are here to show the country that in this moment, 60 years later, they are going to

continue the fight. they are going to pick up the baton and follow what so many of their elders, who are also here today, though some of them aren't able to take part in the march, that they are here to kind of carry that baton forward and keep fighting for these same issues here, alex. >> i'll tell, you their classes may have yet to start, but certainly, they are getting a lesson today, being there with you and taking part in that march. it seems like extraordinary speakers. by, you guys. have a great doing all this. it's really wonderful you're out there. that is going to do it for me and this addition of alex witt reports. i will see you again tomorrow at one pm, eastern. my friend lindsey reiser continues our coverage, and that's antonio was mentioning, we are getting ready for the king family and also our colleague, reverend al sharpton, to speak at the 60th anniversary on the march on washington. >> and good afternoon,. everybody thanks, alex. i am lindsey reiser in for yasmin vossoughian. as we continue to watch and listen to these powerful speeches here at the 60th year commemoration of the march