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politicsnation. tonight's late, we shall overcome. 60 years ago this weekend's, black freedom struggle better known as the civil rights movement confirmed the first march on washington for jobs and freedom, against the violence and oppression of jim crow america. just hours ago, thousands of marchers and civil rights activists and elaborately does to the national mall and washington, calling for action in the face of modern voter suppression, of modern hate crimes, of modern jim crow. >> we are here today to fight racism. we are here today to fight

antisemitism. we are here today to fight hatred in any form. we are here today to fight for voting rights. we are here today to fight for civil rights. where -- >> how long you ask will it be before we get a freedom? i don't know, bucks truth will rise again. how long? not long. because the moral arc of the universe is long, but bends towards justice. >> thousands of you have come, 60 years later, to say that we are the continuation of a movement. >> as you just heard, today was no toothless commemoration, but a continuation of the same call, the same fight, for human rights and full equality that drove the civil rights movement and the reverend dr. martin luther king junior six decades ago. on monday, doctor king's eldest son, martin luther king iii, and his wife arndrea, and i, i

will join with civil rights leaders to meet with vice president kamala harris and observers of the 60th anniversary. tonight, i'll be joined by the kings who organized today's march with liberal leaders -- it is not lost on the three of us, that we convened this march just two days after donald trump's arrest, stemming from his fourth and department, in the city the king family has called home for generations. and the public prosecutor who brought the latest indictment is facing death threats for daring to hold trump accountable for trying to invalidate thousands of black voters in georgia, three years ago. a big day here in washington, but before we start, we want to update you on breaking news out of jacksonville, florida. police are on the scene of a shooting at dollar general store. according to that mayer's office there, there have been

multiple fatalities. we are awaiting a news conference from the mayor and the sheriff's department. and we'll bring you details as they become available. now to my exclusive interview ahead of today's march with vice president kamala harris, at the white house. take a look. >> thank you madam vice president for doing this conversation. i have to ask you, as the first woman and then the first woman of color to be the vice president of the united states, 60 years after the march where people came, many of them had to write back on buses, they couldn't stop to it on the road. it is 60 years, you are sitting here, that is one of the things the march was able to make happen. how do you feel sitting in that seat, no one in history? >> i feel a great sense of duty and responsibility.

to those folks, upon whose broad shoulders i stand. fully appreciating that they expect and fought for us who aren't these positions now to carry on the flight and the movement. i think of it as, it is a really race. and they carried the baton, and carried it far, and they passed it to us, and the measure for each of us and our lives, i, think should be what do we do when we have the baton? and i think about dr. king, john lewis, dorothy height, a philip randolph -- how they were, or they're

efficient for america, you know, i think that when people dedicate themselves to fighting for liberty and justice and equality, they're fighting for foundational principles of our country, right? we are a country that was founded on those principles. and so they or examples of some of the greatest patriots in our country. because they believed and the promise of america, and fought to achieve it. >> i was very moved, and you know, i don't get moved easily, you let me get with the proof in your crime -- private office. your office you work at all. and the white house. you have a picture of your mother at a demonstration. a protest around what happened and burning him. and you have over your shoulder

a portrait of thurgood marshall, who went to harvard like you did. and you have him in this room, the ceremonial room. it is almost like you are guided by the spirits of the american movement for equality. >> it was born in the fight. my parents were active in the movement, that we're marching, that's how they met. they would take me to the marshes and a stroller, and people will ask me, just in terms of what's been happening most recently in our country, why i'm traveling the country, what i'm talking about the importance of fighting for freedom. and i was born into a family, a community, at a time where you are required to be very clear and see very clearly what is happening, and to note what is at stake. and that not to passively sit by and watch it happen.

but participate in ensuring we are protecting the promise, and more specifically, protecting freedoms, fighting for justice, fighting for a quality. so when i think about those heroes of the movement, they do guide me. because their spirit and their work and their passion was about making our country better. and when i look at where we are now, and when i think about these powerful forces, these as i call them extremist so-called leaders who are, i believe, intentionally waging a full on attack against those hard one, hard fought, hard won freedoms and rights, i feel compelled, as i know we all do, to --

you know, not on our watch, no. >> and i think it is important that people understand, this is not just partisan politics. biden and harris against other people. people thought, your mother fought, in your blood, four for the right to vote and for freedoms. and these freedoms are now being challenged more than any time in our lifetime. more than any time in the last six years. >> think about, it rev. 1964, 1965, civil rights act, voting rights act. younger than the march on washington. and the attacks against shelbyville in 2013. gusting the voting rights act. people turning out in record numbers in 2020, to jump over the obstacles that have been created. turning out in historic numbers, young voters, and then

immediately thereafter, after that election, elected joe biden president of the united states and make vice president of the united states. you could see systematically in states, laws being passed to make it more difficult to vote early. banning drop boxes. making it illegal to give people food and water. when they are standing in line to vote. to exercise their civic duty. which also requires me to ask, what happened to love thy neighbor? the hypocrisy at play with so much of this stuff is rampant. >> yeah. >> and, so when we, i think, that when we look at this 60th anniversary of the march on washington it must be to commemorate and historic day and an historic movement, but it has to also compel us to

understand, the movement is not over. and we must, we must recommit ourselves to what that was about. which again was a fight for freedom, for equality, for justice, for all people. and when i think about, you know, the ingredients of what happened that made that day so historic, i mean, you think about -- and a philip randolph and king and luis and dorothy -- there was, for example, a merging of the fight for economic justice and civil rights and equality. there was multi cultural involvement. people understanding that of all races and backgrounds are from all regions of the country. being there again and understand it were all in it together. you think about it in terms of folks like our dear and, may god rest his soul, terry

belafonte. and of davis. and ruby dane. and marlon brando. and how the artists were a part of that movement. singing a variety of freedom songs, and using their artistry in such an important and courageous way. so i think about the commemoration, 60 years later, is something that hopefully also calls on all of us to remember the ingredients that produce such important progress for our country and we look at that it's a roadmap for what we need to do. >> talking about roadmap. i think about, from my studies, i was seven or eight years old when the march happened. but -- had kills -- the freedom rioters with john luiz -- leading up to the 60 years

later, it is vice president kamala harris going to florida, standing up against teaching history. vice president kamala harris flattened for the woman's right to choose. because those freedoms, martin luther king iii and arndrea waters king, they daughter, don tor: cons only granddaughter, is growing up with less freedoms than you and i did. a generation may not have the right to choose, voting rights. you are part of the buildup, this time, seeing where we are as a country. >> and, yes. and i think about it in terms of, again, i mean,, right on a personal note you saw the photograph of my mother, and you know her story, i mean, my family and extended family who are marching and fighting, you know, my godmother aunt mary was one of the founders of a

black studies department at san francisco city, one of the first black studies department in the country. i think about how hard that worked. and by the way, when they were marching, it was not just -- it wasn't easy to march. there were forces turned against them, physically, right? and i think about all that they did, believing that it would be worth it for some permanency of progress. and how we have to also remember what -- told us. there will be no permanency if we are not vigilant. and so, part of my responsibility and what i have inherited is an acute sense of awareness that these things will not be permanent unless we are vigilant, and that we owe it to those folks to be really

clear about that and understand what our responsibility is in this moment. in this movement. >> last question, so that spirit, i was gonna ask you, there is some segments of the country that lack to target you. and they don't realize that you are used to that because you come out of that kind of fight, when you tell them your mother much on washington. so it doesn't rattle you. you are prepared for the moment, to stand up for the rights we had to fight for. >> there is no choice. and i have to say this, also. there is a lot of joy and being in this fight. for freedom. for the promise of america. it is a fight for something, not against something. it is also a fight, and this needs to be said, it is to try and bring us together and understand we have so much more in common than what separates

us. you speak about florida. when i went down there, when i see other things happening in other parts of the country, there are forces that are intentionally trying to divide us as a nation. we need to be clear about that also. so when i think about this fight, it is also a fight to unify and to resist the forces that are trying to divide us. you know, let's not be manipulated. and let's not be deterred. we cannot be tired. we cannot be overwhelmed. but let us also, in this moment understand the significance and the important of bringing a country together around, again, foundational principles about who we are as america. and i said that as vice

president of the united states. >> thank you, madam vice president. thanks to vice president kamala harris and her white house team, we'll have more from the vice president tomorrow. i'll give you the details in a few minutes. but now, i'm proud to have right here on the set in washington, d.c.. martin luther king iii and his wife arndrea waters king. both laid the drum major institute and our co-overdoses of today's 60th anniversary march on washington. i'm and even prouder to say they are joined by their data, yolanda renee king, director of youth programming at the drum major institute. -- my audience and i appreciate you all for being with us tonight. before we get to today's march, the prevailing theme of the march was voting rights. martin, i want to start with

your reaction to my interview with the vice president, and our competition about the threats to voting rights that have been posed by republican lawmakers across the country. what were you thinking as you listened to that exchange between the vice president and i? >> i was thinking, first of all, that what was being said is something that needs to be heard by more and more people. we don't often get to hear a large amount of information, because everything is done and sound bites. i think it is also present the vice president in the light of who she is. her own personal experiences. her own personal knowledge. and this is coming from the heart. and people need to hear that. and feel that. and it is so appropriate, based upon what we are seeing, going on in this country. it is very sad, the septa years

later. we are still trying to have the right to vote, to elevate and promote democracy. at that history is being turned back. we are not going back. we must go forward. the time is now. we saw over 100,000 people today that joined us. we can't give in. we can't give up. we can't give up. >> coming back to the march that mark just mentioned, arndrea. we heard today from many of the former social justice leaders, labor leaders, and democratic lawmakers and the country. and the sentiment was largely the same. how our democratic institutions are under attack -- there is been an explosion of hate fueled crimes against minorities, of state laws restricting the teaching of black history. it women's access to safe abortion and of course voting rights. particularly for black voters and states that donald trump lost four years ago.

as we look forward to upcoming elections, what needs to happen next? what do we need to be doing? >> we need to continue the drum beat. today was certainly a beginning point of coming together, the beginnings of truly building that coalition of conscience. today we saw a vast network, a vast tapestry of the best of who we are. and that was one component of getting the job done. certainly coming together. and now we must take the energy and that focus and footwork and bring it back into our communities, bring it back into our institutions. bring it back into our network and together, and continue the drumbeat for peace, justice, and equity, and democracy. >> yolanda, you are turning into an activist in your own right. i thought of you when we got back from the march about the shooting in jacksonville. we're still waiting on details. nobody in the ten years has

been more eloquent than you on gun violence. and you're fighting the battles for young generations specifically. and i thought about my own grandson, who's only for, we're just about to start school. and as i said to your parents, i'm worried he will grow up knowing fewer rights than we have as adults. what does it say to you that you're still fighting to defend the same rights that your grandfather died trying to secure? >> well, i think, and this is why i think the market was so important, because if you really think about it, 60 years ago my grandfather delivered the dream. and i've been talking about this with my family and also i've talked about it with you. and my question is, well where is the dream? what happened to the tray? because i can't guarantee that if my grandparents were both alive, then we would be so much

more further along as a society. and so it almost seems as though we can't find the dream. and it seems as though it's hidden. and then i think of how they dream still must exist, because why, if the dream does not exist, are they trying to put forward obstacles and still? if they were, if that would think that the dream is not in existence anymore, there wouldn't be any obstacles right now. or any sort of pushback right now. and so, if you look at every single movement, there is always some sort of pushback after an awakening. and i think in 2020, we really did see an awakening. and we had a breakthrough as a society. and as a result, they are opposite forces that are pushing back. and so, i think that this is the most keen time right now and we have to keep going. because we are so close, and if you look at the movement, there were times when lawmakers were

pushing back against my grandfather and his work. and there were times when i got it very difficult. so i think that it is very sad and frustrating, that we're still talking about the things that were clearly talked about and sit a plan for us to address secretaries ago. but also, it is, i guess and necessary part of activism, since it's also unearthed a breakthrough, some sort of big pushback. >> martin, while the rest, time as i said at the top of the show, just two weeks after donald trump's fourth and i've been, on racketeering charges, and two days after his booking in your family's home city of atlanta, fulton county prosecutor fani willis and her staff are facing racism, get threats, for daring to hold donald trump accountable for his attempts to manipulate the 2020 election results in georgia. and doing so without -- the will of thousands of black

voters in your home state. trump's georgia trial as slated to begin in march of next year. and the irony it lot of people miss is that the fulton county jail, where trump was mugshot and all, is where they brought your father. decades ago. and it was so frightful -- president kennedy was colin your mother to say that your father was protected. he went right to were martin luther king was to get his mantra. as a people to know that. but mark, are you worried about a potential of violence from his supporters when he goes on trial in georgia? >> certainly, we have to be concerned about that. but the goal has got to be to allow a process to work. the fact that he is being held accountable, he could be convicted, some would say he should be convicted. the fact of the matter is, charges don't just come from a thin air.

somebody had to do something for this to happen. but we cannot allow our nation to spiral into violence because of a former president. and where he thinks he may be mistreated. >> all right, thank you to the king family. i'll see you again monday at the white house. by the invitation of president biden and vice president harris to observe the actual day of the anniversary of the march on washington, august 28th. coming, up the mugshot scene around the world. former president trump defiant in the face of his fourth criminal indictment. we talked to a former impeachment manager, congresswoman madeleine dean, ahead. but first my colleague erin of her in new york with today's top news stories. erin? >> thanks, rave, extraordinary discussion there. stories we're watching this hour, we're following breaking news that you mentioned in jacksonville, florida. a shooting at $1 store. the mayor says there are multiple fatalities. authorities will be holding a

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this week, former president donald trump became the first former president ever in history to have a mugshot taken. he is one of 19 defendants charged in the rico indictments, accusing them of conspiring to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in georgia. joining me now is a pennsylvania congresswoman madeleine dean, who sits on the judiciary committee. congresswoman, hours after the former president turned himself in, he made his return to social media site formally known as twitter, with a post of his mugshot. and a link to his fundraising

site. what do you make of trump's effort to cash in on this visual of the criminal charges against him? >> reverend al, i hope you'll forgive me. i have to tell you, i've been sitting here paying attention to this show, and your coverage of this extraordinary day. so thank you for the honor of being with you anytime, but to be with you on the 16th anniversary of the march on washington, i heard your beautiful remarks today, to follow kamala harris? and then the kings -- and that granddaughter, what a gorgeous, brilliant young girl. young woman we have there. so thank you for having me, forgive me for doing that. i'm thinking back 60 years ago -- you get it, i know. 60 years ago i was a little girl myself. i was four. and then in 1968 i was eight and nine. so, those days are impressed upon me forever. the assassination of martin luther king junior and the

assassination of robert kennedy. but, to your question about the mugshot, i have to say to you, if you take a look at that twitter tweet from the former president, the disgraced former president, it's all caps of course. that picture will be iconic forever. and iconic in the most shameful ways. he says in his tweet, never surrender. but you know exactly what he did that day. he surrendered. he had to submit to a 40. he had to submit to the rule of law. and he also texted in large caps about election interference. it is who he is. he was all about election interference. and, in terms of never surrender, he surrounded dirt. and i have to tell you, i take real solace in that. i'm a former lawyer, i take solace in that.

four different sets of indictments? sad for our country, it is not normal. i don't want anybody to think we should -- day after day with a former president being indicted. indicted for very, very serious things. never surrender? the man had to surrender. >> he did. and on thursday, your colleague in the house judiciary -- ohio republican jim jordan, launched a probe into george's trump prosecution, asking fulton county district attorney fani willis to turn over all records relating to the case. shortly thereafter, republican state senator in georgia also moved to impeach willis. this comes as willis faces a flurry of racist attacks and online abuse, after trump has spent weeks attacking her. how concerned are you about the estimated rhetoric, as well as the effort of some republican lawmakers to use their powers of elected office to try and

sabotage this case? >> i'm very concerned about the escalating rhetoric, and i am not concerned about chairman jim jordan at all. he has proven himself to be reckless. he can't get out of his own way in our judiciary committee. i don't worry about him at all, but i do worry about the possibility and the reality of violence. of inciting violence. the former president and those who have been complicit in his lies, in his attempt to claim and grab power against the constitution, against the rule of law, is very, very serious, and very dangerous. i think about john -- who -- said this is a test of our citizenship. look at these mugshots. it is staggering. it is heartbreaking, reverend al. staggering that this number of people around this former president got sucked into and became a part of this election

conspiracy, to hold on to power. and, to overturn the will -- i was thinking of this. you don't know this about me, but i'm a former professor. i used to teach writing. do you know what i taught? i don't know -- it didn't matter what course i was teaching. do you know what i would teach? >> no. >> reverend martin luther king's letter from birmingham jail. every single course. composition, business, writing legal writing, it is magnificent. every single american should read it and study it. and one of the things he talked about is the appalling silence of good people. i asked my republican colleagues, those who are more moderate, but are silent, stop your silence. stand up against the jim jordans and those who would undo our democracy. stand up for us and the constitution, and the rule of law.

up and right now we have a president who is going to be accountable to it. >> now, talking about rule of law, on tuesday your colleague speaker kevin mccarthy said the house could move forward with an impeachment inquiry into president joe biden, if his administration doesn't hand over documents related to with their ongoing investigations into the business dealings of the biden family. probes that so far have uncovered no credible evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the president. this is the same party that has criticized the criminal indictments of trump, and claimed the justice system is being politically weaponized. what are your thoughts on what he's up to? >> reverend al, i think you know. i came in in 2019, and i remember how carefully and thoughtfully we thought about impeachment inquiries regarding the former president donald j trump. sadly, mr. mccarthy doesn't think --

but you don't have to listen to me, a democrat, who cared deeply about what happened during impeachments one and two. listen to ken buck, the republican representative who very honestly said the reason they're even floating a biden impeachment is because mr. mccarthy can't lead his caucus. he can't figure out what kind of a budget to pass. you know, we're heading back on september the 12th. we should have had budget deals past, and this incompetent, and that's the kindest word i can use, speakership and set of leaders, has nothing to show. and so as we can bucs ed, don't listen to me, ken buck said they're throwing a shiny object out there to distract the american people from their a inability to govern. >> i'm going to have to leave it there. always good to have you, congresswoman madeleine dean. thank you for being with us. coming up, the war of words with is over. now the dash for cash begins. we're looking at the winners

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capitalize of the debate, raking in over 1 million dollars within the first 24 hours, according to his campaign. also political newcomer vivek ramaswamy brought in nearly half 1 million dollars after the debate, and another 600,000 the next day. totaling $1 million. according to the new york post. nikki haley and mike pence have also been trying to capitalize on the debate performances. susan, who do you think is winning the fund raising fight so far? >> well, ron desantis has been winning the fund raising fight so far, because he had a super pac from when he was running for governor. so he transferred in tens of millions of dollars. something like $60 million he has in the super pac. he also has been -- and it's reported on, been shaking down florida lobbyists to contribute to his campaign. so i guess he looks at that as

a resource as well. but, the numbers are reported, and one of the first things i should mention who's been successful is tim scott. he came in with hard dollars, hard campaign dollars, and spen. but the fundraising game right now is mostly about qualifying for the debates. the candidates seem to have enough money to keep moving forward, it's the quality of the candidates that we have to be worried about. >> april, speaking of vivek ramaswamy, he made some outlandish claims while campaigning in iowa yesterday. calling congresswoman ayanna pressley and author ibrahim candy quote, grand wizards of the modern -- after that event, ramaswamy was asked by reporters about his remarks, and he doubled down. saying those individuals he named and the whole movement

would make them proud. now, we'll have congresswoman pressley on a show -- to give her reaction to being called out. but what does this tell you about how he's choosing to run his campaign, even as his profile is rising with republican voters? >> shock and awe. shock and awe, reverend al. it's so interesting you would say this now, versus using the campaign stage. if you notice, not one of the candidates brought up matters of race during this past debate. woke and anti wokeism was missing, i was really waiting for it. it never happened. but now off of the debate stage, ramaswamy decides to throw these glaring racist hones at a congresswoman who is about the people, and working for the people and helping the underserved. but it's so ironic that he would say that, because the new head of -- federal haynes, said --

cold rhonda scent is in an interview recently with me, the grand wizard of florida. interesting. >> susan, while the republican debate was going on this week, donald trump and his 18 codefendants in the georgia election interference case were turning themselves in at the fulton county jail. their first court appearances could come the week of september 5th. this georgia case marks the first time a former u.s. president has had their mugshot taken. trump's arrest, mugshot, his return to twitter, and interviews with tucker carlson and news mags, how successful was he in upstaging the gop debate in your judgment? >> i don't know that he so much upstaged the debate, but just played consistent and true to form. you know, when he did that tucker carlson interview on the debate night, it was pre-recorded and it was frankly just a rambling and ridiculous.

however, as much as he wanted to lean into that booking photo, i just -- and he did get special treatment going through the jailhouse, no doubt. but that had to shake him quite a bit, getting his photo taken as a mugshot. and no matter how much you practice posing for that photo, it is still something to see that scowl as a booking photo. this is the first president or former president to be booked, and is going to have four different jurisdictions going on presumed justice. >> april, tim scott had a tense exchange with an independent voter in new hampshire yesterday, over his support of trump. take a listen. from >> you don't stand up to trump. how are you going to stand up to the president of russia and china? >> i think the truth is --

>> you're avoiding standing up for it in the past. you don't want to lose all these votes. so, when you go to russia and when you go to china, how are you going to stand up against them? how are you going to do that? >> you stand -- >> you do not -- >> there's nobody who you know -- >> what was your reaction to how scott handled himself after being challenged by a voter? >> he had no leg to stand on. he did not find his grounding. at the end of the day, he is friends with kevin mccarthy, who wants donald trump's blessing, and tim scott wants donald trump's blessing. and we have to remember this, tim scott is uniquely positioned to be that black candidate for president who could also wind up being on someone's ticket as vice president. because if you look at donald trump and or ron desantis, both

of them are speaking anti woke, they're speaking anti-race, anti anything black and other lgbt plus, et cetera. tim scott is that black man who has said that this is not a racist nation, despite the fact that the fbi has steps to prevent so. he is that black man that can cushion all of that racial rhetoric that desantis or trump is spewing on a presidential ticket. that's why tim scott could not stand toe to toe with this man and say, look, i am not going against donald trump. because he is ultimately hopeful that he could be on the ticket. >> yeah. thank you both to. susan el presidio, and april ryan. earlier, you heard vice president kamala harris's exclusive interview with me at the white house. tomorrow, we'll have more. the vice president gives us the first on camera tour of a white house west wing office.

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