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also, today, tragedy in jacksonville, florida, a white gunman kills three black people and what authorities are investigating as a hate crime. florida congressman, maxwell frost, is standing by with his reaction. later, my wide-ranging conversation of new hampshire's republican governor, kristen nuno. i get his take on the first gop debate and asked for his party goes from here. so, every once in a while, things happen in politics that sort of stop you dead in your trucks. things you know you're gonna remember for a very long time. 20 years of working in this world, i've seen a lot of them up close. these moments do seem to be happening much more frequently now than i can remember. the word unprecedented has never been more precedent it. also times when they stopped everything you're doing moment standout because they tell the whole story.

there are times when you get more than one of them in a single week. the story this week in the story of the republican party right now can be told through two images, two singular moments in time. the first, of course, the release of the mugshot of former president donald trump. it is taken late this week after he was arrested and booked on charges that he attempted to overturn the results of an election he had lost. the second, all but two republican candidates on the debate stage raising their hands, promising to support trump, even if he is convicted in the court of law. two images, one put side by side, more than i or anyone else ever could say what is happening in this country now. former president of the united states, defiant in the face of foreign indictments and 91 criminal counts, wearing a mugshot like a badge of honor. fundraising off of his alleged crimes. six out of eight republican challengers pledging to support him if unlikely when he defeats them. when it comes to the republican

party, that's the whole story. now, we don't know where this is all going and we don't know exactly how this legal process or this electoral process, frankly, will end. those two images from this week to tell us exactly where we are right now. joining me now is the former mayor of atlanta, keisha lance bottoms. she is also former magistrate judge in atlanta, she was outside the jail as donald trump was booked this week. mayor bottoms, it's great to see you. thank you for joining me this afternoon. i want to start with what happen this week. you are outside of fulton county jail on thursday evening, watching it, as the former mayor, and for magistrate judge. describe to us what the scene was like on the ground. >> well, thank you for having me. it really was surreal, jen. you're right, i used to work inside of that jail, signing warrants, presiding over first appearance hearings. to see the circus that missed fear, obviously, something we don't normally see outside of fulton county jail.

there was a lot of anger, a lot of hatred in the air when i pulled up, many of those that said the jill thought i was the district attorney, fani willis. they began to very angrily chant, lock her up, lock her up. so, it was something i have never seen before outside of the jail. but kudos to sheriff patrick la bought, in coordination of agencies across the metro area who really kept the area safe and secure. >> so, it sounds like a lot of people you interacted with warsaw who are not proponents of fani willis. you do know her from many years. how do you think she deals with, i know she is tough, but how do you think she deals with these attacks from donald trump and some of his followers? >> i described funniest fearless, even when we were young attorneys working in a community based law firm, even

when we should've had fear, fani was always a fearless attorney. you have to remember, she is not new to this. she began her career working in a small law firm, as i mentioned. she's worked as a solicitor, she's worked as the judge. she's been a seasoned prosecutor for many years prosecuting, leading the prosecution with some of the most notorious cases in fulton county, given the trial, the rico trial of 35 educators in fulton county. i believe 12 of them went to trial with 11 of them being convicted in a very big cheating scandal. one of the longest trials in the history of our state. so, fani knows what she is doing. she's prosecuted murderers and rapists. she is a big trial going on right now with a very popular rappers in the city. she is not afraid. i believe the more that there is an attempt to intimidate her,

i think the more that you will see her really focus on getting a conviction and making sure she sends a very big and stern message that this won't be allowed in the state of georgia. >> so amazing how everyone knows her well described her as being tough and fearless. it does say a lot about her. so, you also know georgia law quite well. and the girl watching this, thinking, what could possibly happen if trump violates the parameters, the strict ones that were set as the terms of his relief? if you violate, slimmest of to fani willis, it's up to the judge, would be possible here? >> what we've seen with defendants in the state of georgia, and we've seen the district attorney's office do this, you will go on asset their bond, it will be revoked. all these defendants are out on bond, with conditions that accordingly. very publicly said, you cannot intimidate witnesses, there was

a list of things that these defendants could not do. i expect that whether it be donald trump or any of the other defendants, if they violate any of those terms that you will see the district attorney's office go before a judge, as that those bonds be revoked. we've seen that happen, as i mentioned. there is a big case going on right now, a big rico trial with ysl group going on right now in fulton county. we've seen the district attorney asked for some of those bonds to be revoked, they've made it very clear that they will not treat these defendants any differently. so, i think that it would be at their own risk of freedom to test the limits of a district attorney in this case. we have a judge who is new to the bench. we don't have a lot of background on how he operates and what his tendencies are. but i do expect that fani

willis and her office will be very aggressive. >> we don't know the judge will do, of course, we rarely would. but it's feasible that trump or others who violate these terms could be thrown in jail? >> yeah, absolutely. you have to remember, even this judge, even though the law says that these defendants should be booked, mugshots should be taken, this judge had the authority to wave that happening, as i understand it. you know, the judge has the opportunity to issue an order and to waive certain conditions. this judge has not done that. i don't expect that they'll be treated any differently, just as they've not been treated differently during this entire process. >> you've also said, which stuck out to me, he wouldn't be surprised if trump's new lawyer, his new legal, team steve, tries to negotiate a plea. why do you think that? what do you think that might look like? >> well, i've seen him negotiate before. he's gone to trial before, he's

not afraid to try cases. i've also seen him negotiate in high profile cases. quite frankly, when i saw that he is now representing donald trump, the first thing i thought was that there may be a plea negotiation. i don't know that to be the case. but that would not be unusual for this attorney. when you look at the amount of time that these defendants are facing, this is a rico trial. minimum of five years in prison, that's a significant amount of time. when you have this many defendants, clearly they're not all in the same page because we're seeing motions being file that they're not coordinated, it would not be unusual for some of these defendants to strike plea deals, including donald trump. >> mayor keisha lance bottoms, always a pleasure. thank you for spending the time with me this afternoon. coming up, -- on crucial hearings tomorrow in

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trump has falsely claimed to basically anyone who will listen that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. >> make no mistake, this election was stolen from me and from the country. >> we had a rigged election. >> the presidential election was rigged and stolen. i said you owe me votes, because the election was rigged. that election was rigged. they rigged the presidential election of 2020. it was, right there was a

rigged election. in some remarks on thursday after his arrest booking a mugshot, he gave a slightly different. statement listen closely and see if you can spot the difference. >> should've never happened. if you challenge an election, you should be able to challenge an election. it was a rigged election, it was a stolen election. >> i thought the election was a rigged election, did you hear that? they i thought is a new qualifier, and that subtle change in tune could be indicative of new advice trump is getting. just before he was booked the fulton county jail, it was announced the former president shook up his georgia legal team, adding veteran criminal defense lawyer steam in sadow. saddle is known for representing high-profile musical artists like recross, usher, and others. some of the other biggest names in hip-hop in the former president of united states. and that shakeup may be reflective of a need to change tactics. because, to put it plainly, district attorney fani willis does not appear to be messing around. this week, in response to one defense motion for a speedy

trial, d.a. willis told the court that her team is ready to go to trial on october 23rd. that is just under two months away, in a sign of a very aggressive stance from a fulton county district attorney. by popular demand, joining me now is who else but the law firm. neal katyal is the former u.s. accounting act general and the former fbi general counsel. i am so thrilled to have you here on set with me today. so there are so many different components of this week, and i want to dig into as many as possible. a judge granted cheeseburger quest for a speedy trial, sydney powell filed one request. there also reports that john eastman is asking for the same thing. that means that a number of these codefendants would be separated from donald trump. what does that mean for trump's case? >> okay, so there are two january six cases, there's the georgia one going on at you are talking about and there's the federal one with jack smith has asked for a trial to begin on january 2nd of 2024, with respect to this request from ken chesbrough, who is one of

the architects of the january 6th coup, he said that i want to travel right away. on october 23rd, fani willis, the prosecutor, says yeah, game on. the judge says, fine, game on. so what this means is that the first january six trial will happen, and it will likely be in georgia and it will likely be just mr. chesbrough, and perhaps for sydney powell who's also asked for a fast trial. but it won't likely involve donald trump or the other 16 defendants that are named in the indictment, but that means that just signal, this stuff is starting to happen, if you are donald, trump you've got to be very worried. >> andrews, to pick it up, why should donald trump be worried, what does it mean for his case? >> so, i think the court of public opinion and the issue of just the legal court. so let's just focus on the court of public opinion. as you mentioned, in your intro,

what donald trump is trying to do is litigate this in a court of public opinion, and just be in fact to say that this election was stolen. as neal pointed out, that is very soon going to be in a forum that he cannot control, and he won't even be a defendant in that courtroom. so there will be facts and law that is going to be going on at the end of october, and georgia. and there actually is going to be a hearing tomorrow, with respect to mark meadows, where again, facts and law will be presented, and donald trump will not be there to spin his version. so i, think just from what's going on in court, but also his whole play, which is to try this in a place where he can just make up the facts and the law that he wants, that is going to be really hard for him going forward because we have these divergence defendants wanted to get to court sooner.

>> so,. neil mark references mark meadows trial. there is a lot happening tomorrow, actually. so let's start with the mark meadows trial. he wants to move the venue from the state venue to a federal court. what are you watching for in this trial, and what happens, exactly, if any of these codefendants were asking for that are successful. >> there is a really old of congress that says if you are a federal officer performing a federal function, and you of a federal defense, if you've been indicted in state court, you can move that to federal court. it still means the state prosecutors control it all, so for example, if donald trump wins in 24, some other republican-y can't terminate the state prosecution. but it does change things. so most importantly, and i think this is what trump cares about the most, there are cameras in georgia state front rooms, there are not cameras in the front rooms. >> do you think that's what mark meadows cares about as well? >> absolutely. i think they do not want the american public to see this trial. they are scared like vampires of sunlight here. so i think that is part.

a bit part of it is also to try and manipulate who is on the jury, and things like that. so, i don't think this removal motion that meadows has filed is going to be successful because it does require you to be performing a federal function, and last time i checked, organizing a coup, even if you're the chief of staff to the president, is not part of your official job scripture. >> and the chief of staff says, just as a non, lawyer as a person who's worked in politics. andrew, i want to ask you about one of the subtle changes i noticed, and again i'm not a lawyer, and trump's tone, where he went from saying that the election is rigged, to i thought the election was rigged. he also changed legal representation. what do you read into that, and this mean anything? >> good pick up on that. i do think that, if you are his lawyer, you do want to switch to an argument that this is what he believed at the time

that the election was rigged. but that he is not saying that it is not necessary for him to prove that in fact, it was. in other words, he could've been mistaken. i don't think that is going to fly. i think it is, way way, way too late in the day, i mean, since you can introduce all of the statements it, why now, is there evidence that suddenly camp came out yesterday, that changed her mind? so i understand why the lawyer might want to do that. but i don't think that is going to work. if you're going to make that argument, you need to do it a long time ago. and then, why counsel changed. no one knows for sure, obviously, it could be a question of money, because donald trump has a history of not paying for his counsel, but i think it also could be if donald trump felt like he wasn't sufficiently controlling his counsel. and, you know, one of the things that everyone pointed

out were the bell conditions, and that donald trump's were very different. i personally think that the lawyer, his previous lawyer, was right not to challenge that into except fani willis's ultimatum that these are the criteria, because the downside for the lawyer it was that you'd have a hearing, and there would be issues, and it would be presented to the court. that is something you'd really not want to do if you are representing donald trump. to have it laid out all of the ways in which he harassed various witnesses, judges, prosecutors, et cetera. so i think we will see, and i think the new lawyer is good, but it is odd to change lawyers saline the day. >> neil, not leave on a major development that we can learn tomorrow, which is the date of the trial for the case against trump and overturning the election, what are you expecting and what are you watching for as you look to hear more from that? >> this is a big enchilada.

tomorrow, judge chutkan in d.c. is going to set the date for donald trump's federal january 6th trial. the prosecutors have asked, as i said, for january 2nd for 2024. donald trump's lawyers literally found for 2026, okay. i'm sorry, that is laughable. it is not credible. and i think judge chutkan is going to have none of it tomorrow. and in particular, what jack smith points out is at the request for april 2026 was based on totally cooked data. they basically said, well, rico prosecutions take this long, they looked at the covid era, so included all of the delays in the like, and it is not a credible motion. and it made even harder as eta just pointed out a moment ago by donald trump repeatedly violating the conditions of basically pretrial silence and trying to poison the jury pool, and what judge chutkan is already set is, look, if you do that, i'm gonna move the trial up. so i suspect that this trial is going to happen on or about the prosecutor's request of january

2024, as the american public deserved. >> a lot. everybody better eat their wheaties and drink their spanish smoothie tomorrow, neil castillo, andrew weissmann, thank, you as always. coming, up again new hampshire governor christina to weigh in on the trump mugshot in the first republican primary debate. that is next. at is next at is next mlb chooses t-mobile for business for 5g solutions... ...to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. now's the time to see what america's largest 5g network can do for your business.

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into black women -- the fbi when a federal rights investigation to the shooting and will investigate it as a hate crime. someone who continues to talk about this crisis, even when it's difficult, is florida congressman and gun safety activists maxwell frost, and he joins me now. congressman, thank you so much for taking the time this afternoon. and i wanted to talk to you in part because i think it's easy to get so numb to these mass shootings, and especially in this case, it should be sobering to everyone that in 2023, we have a shooter with swastikas guns targeting black people. do you feel, as someone who is so close to these mass shootings, that this epidemic is getting worse? >> it is, jen. it is getting worse. but we just found a little over a year ago that now the leading cause of death, in the way like to explain, this is that if you have a child under the age of 18, and god forbid, they were to die, the most likely reason is because of a bullet.

and i think that is a shame and a failure, and one of the most resourceful and one of the most rich countries on the face of the earth. so this is horrible. we lose 100 lives a day due to gun violence. and we are seeing an uptick in hate crimes, of people who are arming themselves, and literally going out on the streets to find black people to hunt. we saw happen in buffalo, we saw it happen yesterday, in fact, that should, or the racist bigot, who went to an hbcu first was turned away by security and then walked into this dollar store to murder three black people. and it is not a surprise. because we have leaders in the state that are stoking the flames of racial hatred, bigotry, and antisemitism. and so it is no longer just a culture war, they are reaching a real war on people of color and on poor people in this state. >> you've said i think governor ron desantis should come back to florida and call a special session, i'm not gonna ask you how likely think that is.

i want to, know what would you like to see happen if there was a special session? what would be the ideal? >> it's the same basket had of the governor for years. that is to actually take action on gun violence prevention. he needs to do that, and he also needs to take actual steps to move away and stop championing and stop embracing this far-right wing movement that is the home of the shooter yesterday. that is the home of these neo-nazis that are marching around disney and marching around central florida almost every week now. the governor has been embracing this movement. it was andrew gillum on the debate stage was that, i'm not calling him a racist, i'm just saying the racist thing makes him a racist. and that still rings true today, and in, fact i look at someone like governor desantis and, ignoring, and not saying anything about it, saying he released a 45-second video yesterday in iowa on the side of a building. that is not enough. we need real leadership. so the hope is that they can

call a special session, come together and pass laws to help and gun violence. and in fact, the last time i brought this up, was during my campaign, when the governor came here to central florida to do a private event yet to pay to get into. i interrupted the governor and said, not cursing, not yelling, pleading, please. do something about gun violence. and he has done nothing. in fact, it is worse than nothing, jen. they passed this permit-less carry bill which essentially said that any person can have any gun anywhere any place in the state of florida, and it's no shock the gun violence has gone up since that bill was passed. >> in addition to the premise of permit was carry, there's also been a number of problematic pieces of legislation signed by the governor in recent months. you are also calling for the permit of justice to investigate what's happening in florida. it sounds, as i've heard you described, as you're making a connection between the changing of the number of these laws, an increase in violence. what do you make the department of justice to specifically look into in florida?

>> i think they need to look at the totality of what's going, on and you said it right. it is all completely connected here. you know, the governors of the department of education came out, middle schoolers this year in the state of florida will learn that black folks who were enslaved received personal benefit from it. what that does is show that black lives should be devalued, that shouldn't be seen as for humans. and it is not just about the kids, it is about adults as well. and it gives credence and passed these bigots so they can commit horrible acts of terrorism like what we saw yesterday. so i think the department of justice does need to look into this, doesn't it look at all these laws, look into how the governor has been abusing his power to remove people from office who disagrees with. because, here is the thing, jen. right, now it is. florida right now we have these isolated incidents throughout the state. but this is how these dangerous movements start. so it is incumbent upon our government and the federal government to nip it in the bud

now, in the state of florida, and say that we don't want authoritarian, far right wing movements to take over government. it is not about left versus right, it is not about the democrats versus republicans, this is about the people versus the problem. and we've seen even conservatives come out and say that they don't like what is going on in the state. it is a state of fear right now. elected officials are fearful, companies are fearful, and so there is a lot that needs to be done here. our power as democrats right now in the federal government or with the administration. and so, i hope the department of justice will launch an investigation, use the tools they have at their disposal, to help us. we help in the state right now. >> congressman maxwell frost, thank you for being fearless during a very fearful time. up, next i will ask new hampshire's republican governor, christen, about the mugshot scene around the world. and, later one talking point from the republican debate that i just feel compelled to call out. we are back after a quick break. we are back after a quick break. [music playing]

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physically been on the debate stage wednesday night, but his presence loomed largely over it. even if it took the moderators nearly an hour to even say his name. as you'd expect, in any normal primary debate, there were some substantive disagreements between the candidates. but what was not normal was a question that drew near unanimous agreement. >> if former president trump is

convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice? please raise your hand if you would. [applause] [screaming] >> just, hold on. so to just be clear, governor christie, you relate to the game there. >> look, i'm doing this. >> that was easily the most memorable moment of the night. so even if we did see some important distinctions between the candidates, it was hard to any of that matters, as long as donald trump leads the race. but i sat down with someone who firmly believes that trump, who won't matter once the votes are cast. new hampshire's governor, chris into new. >> you have not been afraid to speak out about donald trump's indictments about his actions in attempting to overturn the upcoming election and about holding on to classified documents. i could name more.

it took 51 minutes in that debate for any of those topics to come up. what did you make of that? >> that was perfect. because that's about donald trump, that's what about the future this country, it's not about that. republicans are trying to save the country, donald trump is trying to save himself. so when it comes to debate, we don't want to be rehashing us today's news. we want to go until about 2024. we want to be about what we can bring to detail with securing the border, energy independence, and all the sort of things. so tell me if you want something. don't fall for the trap, as you're talking with the big guy. >> the forward-looking message works well. i've done a few campaigns myself, but there is a reality here that trump is still double digits ahead, and some of these issues that are backward, looking as you've described, them and some other candidates described him the same way, are about policy issues. >> sure. >> the handling of classified documents, the sharing of nuclear secrets, potentially. how you are handling democracy

and feeling it. don't you see the views of these candidates as relevant and important to voters? >> yes, just know that donald trump ally was dan, court all. that see all those indictments play out. these candidates right now should really be focusing on what they are backgrounds. are a lot of folks don't even know this. you're in the, world we're in the, world we're talking about all these things all the time. the average republican voter had barely even seen vivek ramaswamy, and then they got to see him for the first time. and maybe they like, to maybe the, didn't they got excited, obviously he was tagged a lot. i think vivek did very well consider he's never stood on a debate stage. and i've stood on some debate stages, it's a hard thing to do. >> let's focus on him for a moment. because, you are right. unless you're a political nerd or walk like both of us, you may not have heard of him or been watching him. he has been moving up in the polls in new hampshire, including in new hampshire, as chris christie has been as well. he was very energetic at the debate this week. but he also had some things to

say about policy issues that were pretty problematic as it relates to the electorate. i, mean he said climate change is a hoax. do you think that is something that you would want to see on the platform of your party? >> there is no, doubt he took some positions that for me, are a challenge. do they connect the republican base? i don't know. i can tell you that all of those candidates could win in november of 24, and that is exciting. donald trump can win in november of 24. the math does not work out. if you're supporting donald trump that, you are effectively handing it kamala harris potentially down the road. so i think the opportunity is a new face, fresh ideas, but i also think vivek, haley, pence, desantis, they all did very, very well. >> the other event this week that i think anybody had characterized is good for trump is getting his mugshot taken and released in a fulton county courthouse. >> selling t-shirts within minutes. >> that may be true, but do you think that it is good for him politically? do you think having a mugshot out there changes anything in the republican electorate. >> it doesn't change anything, but it allows him to maintain his presence in the media, his,

image people talking about it, with not just tweet us with a mugshot, but all of the drama that he wants to keep building off of. it he wants this drama to keep going. give him a fifth and six and i'm. and he will love it. because it keeps him in the news. >> what about independents? new hampshire, live free or die? >> he doesn't care, all the cares about right now is getting the nomination. he cannot win in november. independent state. there is no way donald trump will win anything above 31% of the independents, which is why republicans as a whole will get crushed if he is -- >> look. as bad as he would be on being on top of the ticket for, it because we will lose the presidency, he cut school board races, he hurts congressional races, senate races, we will lose all these things, like we did in 22. >> your friend, governor chris christie, i think he is your friend. it is safe to say they're all your friends. he has also not hesitated in calling out his concerns about donald trump's behavior and his actions, criminal indictments. he also waited until an hour in almost to the debate. did that surprise you? did you think that was the right strategy?

>> to talk about trump? yeah, i think it is definitely the right strategy. so, for example, with chris christie, he is known as really the aggressive, gonna bash on trump. and he is very valid than that. but he wanted to take the look, off you as a governor, he was a ceo, he had made tough decisions, he had gotten stuff done with democrats in his legislator. and that is leadership. leadership is about saying, no matter what hand you deal me, i can win. it is not just give me republicans that maybe you will get something done. we get used to, that and we should accept. that so we will take that opportunity. a vague and run governor desantis, they are known as the culture warrior anti woke guys, but they need to broaden their message a little bit and talk about fiscal discipline and draining the swamp and limited government in returning power to the states. >> you've also talked about how the issue of abortion is a bit of a tricky one for the republican party. i do not want to put words in your mouth, but you've said versions of that. the candidates that seem to have a little bit of trouble with that this week in the debate, obviously, mike pence

has a strong view on abortion, nikki haley, they've had a back and forth about it. what did you make of that argument, and did you see anything in there that you would want to see the republican platform be, the republican nominee be saying as the policy of the party? >> one of the consistent things they, sought out of it was all them, but a lot of them to really understand it is gonna come down to the states. them, but a >> what california s going to defer the mississippi. they debated a little bit about whether not there should be a minimum threshold. firstly, i don't believe we should be touching at the federal level. a few of them definitely agree with that. >> if you think there should be a ban, which i know you're not? for >> i'm not for it. all again, it's the same issue, i'm a governor, i'm a states guy. so understanding that mississippi, california, gonna be different. that is exactly what when they overturned roe v. wade, they said look, you can now decide if that is where you want to go. >> you've called for narrowing the field. who do you think needs to take a look in the mirror and make sure if they really need to be in the race? >> i think the candidates that went on the stage last night, to start with i think that have some tough conversations, and i

think most of them will make the right decision. unless there is some real spark they see them getting into the threshold then the second debate but i think by thanksgiving, -- have to drop out those low single digits, whoever they might be, they've to say, okay, we give it a try, it's not working. and we get five or six candidates with trump going into iowa, maybe three or four going into new hampshire and if it gets down to one on one, as i said, he can't get over 50%. republicans will find a different option, because by then, dave explore the candidates, they've got excited, they rallied around him, the numbers fit and when individuals, trumps aren't going any higher, so is going to make political this, and it all could tomorrow at the right time between new hampshire, iowa, and going into super tuesday. >> we will see vanities republican candidates take the advice of governor chris sununu. up next, right wing twitter was very very mad me this week and i'll explain why after a break. i'll explain why after a break. needs schools can't

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the first republican debate, i sat in a tweet that seemed to really strike a nerve in the right-wing. here it is. >> no one supports abortion up until birth. i wrote that because there is a pervasive and misleading talking point that is used by a number of right-wing leaders, including presidential candidates on the stage, suggesting that democrats are advocating for and even rooting for late term abortions of babies who could live outside the womb. just take a listen to some of the answers in the debate on wednesday night. >> we are better than what the democrats are selling. we are not going to allow abortion all the way up until birth, and we will hold them accountable for their extremism. >> we cannot let states like california, new york and illinois have abortions on demand, up until the day of birth. >> i would love for someone to

ask biden to kamala harris, are they for 38 weeks, are they for 39 weeks, i day for 40 weeks? >> this wasn't just some throwaway line from applause in a debate stage, this is a talking point. republican presidential candidates use repeatedly on the trail. the platform formerly known as twitter doesn't exactly leave the space in the room to really lay down the facts. i do love facts, but i want to make sure that all of you are equipped with them. this claim that democrats support abortion on till the moment of birth is entirely misleading. first of all, abortions past the point of fetal viability to not happen often. they are incredibly rare. in those that do happen involve agonizing, emotional, and ethical decisions. according to the cdc, the vast majority of abortions in the united states, over 80% in 2020, happened before ten weeks of pregnancy. and over 90% take place in the first 12 weeks. less than 1%, 1%, happen after

21 weeks of pregnancy. if you look state by state, you see a similar pattern, as compiled by the washington post in virginia since 2000. and abortion after 20 weeks has been performed in only three of the last 22 years. in oklahoma, in 2021, only six out of nearly 6000 abortions took place after 21 weeks. and in colorado, where the boulder abortion clinic specializes in late term abortions, less than 2% of nearly 12,000 abortions in 2021 took place after 21 weeks. and just 60 took place after 25 weeks or later. so again, this does not happen often. and what i see is that you can see how painful this really is through personal stories. director of that boulder clay told the washington post that in his experience, virtually all women seeking the late term abortion are devastated by the prospect. he said, quote, an average week of my office, 25 to 50% of the patients have some serious,

catastrophic fetal abnormality, and there are some weeks in which this is true for 100% of the patients. these are uniformly desired pregnancies, and the patients are generally grief-stricken to be ending the pregnancy. others have described her edging detail having to make the decision to end their pregnancy to save their own life. or because they were told that the baby they were so excited for would not survive or would suffer. our most democrats in favor of a legislation that allows for this, yes. for all the reasons i just outlined. at the end of the day, the point here is that no one is rooting for late term abortions. no one is running on the platform of a boarding viable babies. no one is selling late term abortions as rhonda santos claims. no one. not joe biden, not kamala harris, not hillary clinton, nancy pelosi, or any other politician demonized by the right wing. roots for more later i'm abortions are here.

what is happening here is an attempt by republican presidential candidates and other leaders who know their views on women's health care are out of touch with the public. they are trying to change the parameters of the debate. they are doing that by inaccurately describing the positions of leaders on the other side. as you just heard, as i just outlined, abortions in later stages of pregnancy are extremely rare. and they are almost always the result of a devastating choice to save the life of the mother, or because of a baby that a couple desperately wanted could not survive outside the womb. it is not a preference, it is a personal tragedy for these couples. are rhonda santos and tim scott in favor of a mother dying as a result of her pregnancy? if a doctor determines a baby cannot survive outside of the womb, should a mother be required to carry that baby to term? and those choices should not be made by any politician or legislator, they should be made by the woman carrying the baby and by her doctor. that is what democrats are

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