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>> good evening and welcome to the show. i am mehdi has on. there was a swastika emblazoned on the gun, and my talking about not see germany in 1933? sadly, no, i wish. we are talking about the united states of america in 2023. just before three pm on saturday, a white man armed with an ar-15 style rifle killed three black people out of dollar general store in jacksonville, florida. at a press conference yesterday evening, sheriff dike water said on equivocally, the massacre was a, quote, racially motivated attack and that the shooter left behind multiple diaries, multiple quote unquote manifestos riddled with rapid bigotry. >> portions of the manifested detail the disgusting ideology of hate. the shooting was racially motivated, and he hated black people.

>> earlier today, merrick garland put out a statement that the justice department is investigating this attack is a hate crime and an act of racially motivated violent extremism. adding that one of the justice department's first priorities upon its founding in 1870 was to put bring to justice white supremacists who brought violence to black americans. that remains our urgent charge today. the problem is though that it has not been an urgent issue, even as white supremacist violence and mass murder has been on the increase. it has not been urgent enough, not just for the justice department and law enforcement, but for federal and local. and also for the democratic party as a whole, for the media as a whole, for the american people as a whole. we have not taken this issue seriously enough. even as a black and brown and jewish and muslim bodies pile up, both at home and abroad. as a direct result of white supremacists and racists violence. we did not take it starts --

after the charleston massacre in june 2015, when a hate filled sociopathic gunned down nine african americans during a bible study. we did not take it seriously enough after the pittsburgh synagogue massacre in october of 2018 when a racist nutcase killed 11 jews during shabbat morning services. we did not take it seriously enough after the el paso massacre in august of 2019, when and latino hating monster killed 18 people at a walmart store. we did not take it seriously enough after the buffalo shooting in may of last year when a rope far-right bigot targeted black people in a tops serk supermarket, killing ten. we did not take it seriously enough after the allen, texas massacre this past may after a man with a swastika tattoo murdered eight people, half of whom were asian. and now, jacksonville, florida. white supremacists armed with an ar-15 style rifles gunning down black and brown people, attacking synagogues, setting fire to mosques and black churches. at what point do we say enough

is enough? at what point do we ask how we came to live in an america where racist violence is on the rise again, where white supremacists are emboldened again? where mainstream politicians are silent again. they are silent. florida governor and presidential candidate ron desantis has strongly condemned the violence in jacksonville, but had nothing to say about the far-right ideology behind it, where it comes from, where to stop it. he had nothing to say about the swastika or weapon of choice. >> perpetrating violence of this kind is unacceptable, targeting people due to their race has no place in the state of florida. >> to be clear, i'm not saying that desantis or any other top republican is directly responsible for this or any other racist massacre or, directly inciting it. what i am saying is that the republicans have created a permissive environment from white supremacists and domestic experiments in this country. they have echoed the rhetoric and mainstream, they're talking

points. just take desantis. this is a governor who has used black and brown people as political state goes, political pawns, where there was the arrest of black convicts, daring to vote in florida, arrests that soon fell apart. or the little game of human hot potato with brown migrants checking them on to hair planes and lobbing them across the country to martha's vineyard's. this is a man who bands critical race theory in florida schools, who defended a curriculum with both sides slavery and anti black violence. and who just recently had to fire from his own campaign a staff who made it video of desantis standing in front of a neo-nazi symbol. yes, a neo-nazi symbol. is it any wonder that desantis's 2018 democratic opponent in the governor's race famously said this? >> i am not calling mr. desantis a racist, i am simply saying the racists believe he's a racist. >> why is it that the racists and neo-nazis love it so many

of these top conservative politicians and pundits? why is it that the daily stormer, for example, the neo-nazi website, says that they have literally outraged as allies with tucker carlson? why is it in unity richard spencer, highly trump ship shortly after the 2016 election? could it be because tucker carlson night after night on fox used neo-nazi great replacement rhetoric with black and brown migrants? could it be because donald trump campaign for office by retweeting white supremacists? defending neo-nazis as very finally people, and since, has been hosting a -- and don't even try the, why are you politicizing this? we should be focused on the only the person to pull the trigger, and nobody else. i am muslim. you don't get to play that card with me or my community. for the past 20 plus years since 9/11, muslim communities in this country have been relentlessly questioned, examined, pathologized,

scrutinized for the slider signs of extremism or violence. white conservatives have demanded that brown muslim subject themselves to extra checks that their places of worship and work. white conservatives have asked, why the violence with muslim communities? what is the ideology, who are the hate preachers, the young, men they have demanded the muslim community get their house in order. tonight, this brown muslim is asking the white conservative community to do the same. get your house in order. crackdown on the hate preachers who you have empowered, and they're footsoldiers that you have in bold and. condemn the rise of white supremacist ideology. of white supremacist terrorism, and denounce the daily racist outburst on your daily cable news channels, and talk radio networks. don't hide behind lays all -- about black lives matter and antifa. neither of whom who have ever massacred anybody at a church or walmart. but perhaps unsurprisingly, that is not what happened on the sunday morning shows today.

republican presidential candidates did not want to do any soul searching or self reflection. the politicians did not want to talk politics. talk>> i don't think this is a t versus right issue, i don't think we should politicize the pipe partisan goggles. >> it was an active evil. when our prayers are with the families who lost loved ones, and those that are injured, we've prayed this morning for them. >> mike pence also went on to say that he wants the death penalty for mass shooters, which is a bizarre thing to say in the wake of a mass shooting, in which the shooter killed himself. he's already dead. then again, maybe it is not so bizarre. at least in so far is it frictions as a smokescreen for pence to hide behind, to protect them from having to address the actual root causes of white supremacist terror and gun violence. of course, if he actually did, that he would have to confront nearly every feature in fixture of republican politics. from his former boss, to his allies in conservative media, to even the policies that him

himself has champion for decades. just considering, that he dodged. every other mainstream republican politician eagerly leaves that job, time and time again to somebody, to anyone else. it is a shame, but not a shock. the dead black people in jacksonville, the dead asians in allen, the dead jews in pittsburgh, the dead latinas in el paso, they deserve better. joining me now, melissa murray, an msnbc legal analyst and and why you professor of law. and charles blow, an msnbc political analyst and columnist for the new york times. thank you both for joining me tonight. i wish it was not under these circumstances. melissa, the shooting yesterday occurred during the commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the march on washington, where multiple speakers called out the scourge of gun violence as a threat to all americans, but particularly black americans. what was your reaction as a black american hearing this horrific news out of florida yesterday, of all days?

>> mehdi, in that litany of white conservatives that might contribute to this culture of hate through the combination of this kind of violence and rhetoric that underwrites it, you could also have added the six members of the united states supreme court. they have also facilitated this through their expansive interpretation of the second amendment, the unprecedented expansion of the second amendment that facilitates the keeping and bearing of arms. it allows those kinds of violence to happen. just a few weeks after the buffalo shooting last year on june 23rd, the court announced its decision in bruen, a major gun rights case, which expanded the scope of the second amendment beyond anything that we have seen in the history of this country. again, every branch of government is involved in this. every branch of government has facilitated, this and every branch of government has a role to play in making us more safe and ideologically terroristic.

>> charles, president biden was asked today if he would speak to governor ron desantis given the shooting in florida. he responded, i'm going to speak with the people of jacksonville. i have to ask about is somebody like ron desantis or mike pence. why can't all of these top republican politicians of or anything, say anything in response to racist tragedies like jacksonville or the others that i mentioned, beyond thoughts and prayers? seriously, is it not time that they were forced to address not just their pro gun policies, but they're coziness with white supremacists? >> we have to go back and look at what the data on hate crimes say about what commits it, and who is the target of it. the data continued to show that the largest category of targets in a single hate crime are black people. the data continue to show that the majority of people who commit these crimes are white people. it is coming primarily in one direction towards one group, and is coming primarily from

another group. that dynamic implicates the power structure itself by association. they understand that they have -- you know, that this violence and this environment is scaled on the one and. you have politicians that create an environment of permissibility. they do so not because they themselves are violent, or because they explicitly call for violence, but they excuse an environment that says that it is okay for me to have the hostile to other people. they do this through -- what you are seeing, through these candidates now, with refusing to call out black supremacy -- by saying that when black people see there is a racial issue, racial progress, they discount the fact that that is a real thing. they say that this is an illusion, that white supremacy

is a myth, and that on one end of the scale, helps to create the environment of permissibility. that environment trickles down to the violent people. to call them out is to implicate themselves. >> yes, very much so. we are going beyond permissibility. we are entering into the world of victim blaming. gop presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy said this on this morning. >> i'm genuinely worried that we're seeing a new wave of anti black and anti hispanic racism. as a consequence of the so-called anti-racist sentiments. >> that's an astonishingly offensive thing to say. irresponsible as well in the wake of a mass shooting. >> obviously, i would not expect less at this point. it is to their advantage because they are the party that is this muscular interpretation of the second amendment. the party that insists upon making guns available. even in circumstances where the

democratic process would require that the people have a say, and the people have decided that they would want more limited access to guns, especially those that might be dangerous to certain elements of the community. they insist that the access to john guns, the keeping and bearing of the guns must be completely free, and subject to very few limitations. i'm not entirely surprised. i'm not surprised by the effort to blame these victims in families that would be terrorized, and to blame everybody that would be wondering at this point in time whether that would be turned on them. again, as charles says, the data makes clear who are the targets of the racially motivated attacks. it is often people of color, black people, people that are the most vulnerable in our society. >> charles, more than a decade ago in 2009, a bomb's first term in office, his department of homeland security sent law enforcement agencies and briefing warning of a rising threat of domestic right-wing

expressionism, including right-wing terrorism. republican outraged, demeaning retraction, they got one. obama's head of dhs publicly apologized, and that team of enlisted produced that report was disbanded. in hindsight, a crazy mistake, but also, just a broader point, the liberals have been on the defensive about the rise of white supremacy for far too long. have they not? they've been far too worried about offending conservatives that often play the victim on this. >> it is worrying about offending them. it is also this sheepishness when it comes to dealing with white people when -- on this issue of terror. we don't treat them -- you could put this in your intro about how we have treated the muslim community. they might so far as to do things that they were outright unconstitutional. with muslim communities, and searching for and trying to go through those terrorists. we don't treat these people who

are also terrorists in the same way. the only reason that we do not do that is because there are white people, and white people are still the majority. or in some states, the plurality in this country. that is the only reason. until we are honest about why we are not doing this, we don't need to dance around whether or not it is a partisan issue, polling issues, concerns. no. the only reason that we are not doing this is because these are white people, and white people are still the majority of this country, and a lot of white people do not want the association but there is a problem in the community, and it needs to be sorted out. it has nothing to do with most white people. the vast majority is any group of people, racial, ethnic, religious, are not committing violent crime, and they're not committing hate crimes. it's not about all of anyone. there is a problem in the data, in the community, and we have

to be upfront about where the problem is, and how we do that, how we deal with that to stop pulling our punches about it. >> well said. >> melissa and charles, stick around. much more to discuss. ahead, the women. the black women holding donald j trump accountable in multiple jurisdictions. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ shelves. shelves that know what taste buds want. shelves smart enough to see, sense, react, restock. ♪ so caramel swirl is always there for the taking. (christina) with verizon business unlimited, i get 5g, truly unlimited data, and unlimited hotspot data. ♪

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he called vice president harris nasty and disrespectful, in just this week, mocked the way she talks. >> she speaks in rhyme. it's weird. it is weird. she has great moments. >> speaks in rhyme? >> the way she talks. here, and then the voice will go there, it's weird. >> he accused justice ketanji brown jackson is being disrespectful. there it is again. towards the white gop senators who are questioning her. even his former advisor newman was not spared, he called her a dog. and yes, he insults everyone and anyone, but there is something particularly vicious and bigoted to his rhetoric around black women. there is a huge irony to the fact that the center of his many legal troubles right now are three strong black women. first of, the first prosecutor

to get a mugshot of trump, and is now prosecuting -- racketeering overturning the 2020 election results. remember, jack smith, merrick garland, they didn't exist on a motion for trump in the two federal indictments around trump and florida, and d.c.. fani willis did. despite trump very personal attacks on her and her character, willis made it clear that she would make her decisions based on the facts and law. >> i make decisions in this office based on the facts and law. the law is completely nonpartisan, that's how decisions are made in every case. >> second, there is judge tanya chutkan, who is expected to set a trial date for the special counsel election interference case against the former president. chutkan has recently been the subject of racist attacks and death threats. this month, a texas woman was charged with threatening the, saying quote, if he doesn't get elected in 2024, he'd already

earned trump's ire, rejecting his bid to keep secret papers apparently his actions and conversations leading up to january the 6th, saying quote, presidents aren't kings, and the plaintiffs aren't presidents. third, there is laetitia james, the first prosecutor to take trump to trial this year on october the 7th in the fraud case against him and his company. as james pointed out when she announced the lawsuit last, temperature cannot be a different set of rules for former presidents. >> there can't be different rules for different people in this country where in the state. former presidents are no different. >> james, like we'll, if he has been accused of racism by trump. he calls them racists as well as calling them all sorts of other names. it is never not a good time to think black women in america for their services to the republic for stepping up again and again to save american democracy through their sacrifices, their strength,

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who are holding trump accountable in multiple jurisdictions? it has to be killing him, no? >> if it is killing him, it's killing him softly, because these women are packing a big punch in a velvet glove. these are women who are at the top of the, game they know what they're doing, tanya chutkan, fani willis, tish james. they could not face off against a more formidable trio. he can's do all he likes, it is a virgo season, and these are peak virgos. >> barbara, with d a fani willis's rico trial with trump and his associates in georgia, i have to ask you as a prosecutor, what actually happened in court? do we have 18, 19 people sitting together with the lawyers being tried together? does not make it a more complicated trial, harder to get commit conviction? >> be surprised if we had trial with all 19 defendants. first of all, i expect statistically that a large number of these defendants will

entered guilty pleas. statistically 90 to 95% of defendants a entered guilty pleas. that usually piercing down. it might be that some good severed for trial. we sikanni chief river don't demand a speedy trial. we might see one group of defendants being tried first. typically, child gets severed down to groups of more manageable sizes, and they could be more than one trial ultimately that gets handled in this case. and then you end up with five or six not end up in trial at one point. i think that in terms of managing court has resources, just that sheer size, making sure that the juror jury keeps the evidence straight against the defendant. it seems more likely they will see more jury groups that go to trial. >> interesting. of course, fani willis has successfully prosecuted rico cases against gangs and others. charles, as somebody in atlanta, tell us what the mood has been like there with the spectacle of the trump motorcade arriving

at court, the time of his choosing. 18 of those defendants who were all white, having walked out after being booked. the one black defendant, harrison floyd has had to stay. you can make this stuff up. even as republicans complain about a two tiered justice system. >> you cannot. what i will say is that i live in midtown, atlanta. we don't see that kind of crisis, and i'm not too far from the crisis. we haven't seen a lot of it there. we have seen some people congregating on the motorcade route to the jail. some people are outside of it. it hasn't been that case that that was in the city, in the city of atlanta. you bring up a good point about this to tear justice system. there are two tiers. he's getting the good side of it. he's getting the brakes. we have to keep saying that. no other defendant would be treated in this way. with that does also is that

implicates the justice system itself. it says to the rest of america did the justice system can be a comedy. if it chooses to. it is just not doing it for you. >> such a good point. when i heard fani willis saying that you have until friday to turn in, next friday to turn yourselves in. i was thinking how many criminals to get that opportunity? just pick it's time to turn up on the jailhouse. chad can in the d.c. case, expected to set a trial date tomorrow in the election interference case the jack smith has brought. he is asking for january the 2nd. we don't know if she'll go with, but at the trial where to start in january, certainly it would be all over before the election in november. how does that appeal from trump factor into the timeline of trials in 2024? >> that is exactly right. it's the reason why judge smith asked for the debt early deadline. so they could stay clear with the doj guidance, the you don't

have these kinds of prosecutions, that could be viewed. over the course of the election. the general start day would allow for that. not clear but judge chad, can the prosecutor or defense here, they could try to split this baby, although to be clear, there is a clear line between what the prosecutors have asked for and the defense's request -- she obviously is going to be picking somewhere in between these, but it feels like she very much wants to get this done and over with. she is a straight shooter as a judge. i don't imagine that she could leave a lot of room here for donald trump to have an opportunity to appeal. he certainly will try, but she will be careful about dotting her eyes and crossing her t's. she knows this is a high profile case, in this is an incredibly litigious defendant. she has lots to do here. she will do well. >> and you mentioned, melissa, that the date trump has asked

for after the election, asked for 2026, cameron said it. they joked that trump probably wants the date of his death certificate to be the date of the trial. bob, you have trump asking for 2026 at the earliest. then you have kenneth chesebro, the lawyer, he mentioned earlier requesting a speedy trial. that is now set for october 23rd. you also have former trump lawyer sydney powell asking for a speedy trial. what is the thinking between these lower level people like chesbrough or powell speeding this up as fast as possible, while trump delays and delays? >> it is interesting, because most of the time defendants, even though they have a right to a speedy trial, would actually prefer to put off the day of reckoning. it's because evidence gets weaker with the passage of time. sometimes the memories of witnesses fade, maybe they lose track of some of the evidence, maybe sometimes witnesses even die. delay, delay, delay. here, we are seeing some defendants demand, in their, write a speedy trial. there could be a couple of

reasons for this. one is that sometimes, they can catch the prosecutor flat-footed. they're not quite ready, they didn't expect anybody to ask for a speedy trial. getting everything together that quickly could be a challenge for a prosecutor. based on the statements that fani willis has made, i doubt the cheese in that camp. maybe they are a gaming that. the other thing that happens here is that if they go first, they do create a little bit of a roadmap for the defendants that followed. donald trump in the other defendants. they will meet transcripts of the testimony, everyone will see all of the case against them. strategically, it could be helpful for the second set of defendants that go. i will say this. politically, for the way that donald trump, he seems to be playing this case here, i don't know that politically is so invitation for him. a televised trial will air all of the evidence as ugly as it may, be against kenneth chesebro, and all of the defendants since folly willis will have to prove this criminal enterprise. it might be good for trump legally, but it might not be so good for him politically. >> televised trial in fulton

county, georgia. we love it. charles, we've seen some ridiculous mental gymnastics from the right trying to make trump's mugshot look like a badge of honor. and most absurd take must be comparing trump's mugshot to martin luther king junior. it is beyond trolling, is it not? this is more evidence that it's a cult. >> i absolutely. i would like to add one last point to this, it could also be a tactic. i want to take an eye on this. it could be a tactic to force trump to help them, because he would hate to see them go down and be convicted with evidence that would implicate him. i'm not convinced it's not a tactic on their part to put pressure on donald trump. second, on the martin luther king thing, there is a long history, recent history of people trying to co-opt dr. king in service of things that dr. king would absolutely have been opposed to.

and they would also start to do that with franklin douglass, and all of those black heroes and black spokesman of our time, or of previous times. they are co-opting in service of the exact opposite arguments that those people would make. it's a disgusting, horrible, but real life thing that is happening. >> we are almost out of time, but i would like to ask one quick last question to all of you. i have been inspired by the fox host and republican -- i'll ask for a show of hands from the three of you. if you believe it's more likely than not the trump will be sitting inside of a prison cell coming 2024? do you believe there's a highlight at the end of that? >> cautious, cautious. barb raise your hand. none of us know, we all flying blind, but i would be interesting to see what you say. >> i don't think it will go that fast. >> fair points. that's why raising hands is so

silly. melissa murray, charles blow, barbara mcquade, thank you, all we appreciate your analysis. still ahead, an announcement for the biden administration that will be a be fd for millions of older americans. plus, don't forget that you can listen to the mehdi hasan show anytime free wherever you get your podcasts. your podcasts.

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administration will finally reveal the first ten prescription drugs selected from medicare price negotiation. we are expecting that list to include some pretty expensive drugs commonly used to treat cancer, arthritis, diabetes. george they currently cost millions of seniors tens of thousands of dollars. the congressional budget office says that medicare portion get a price of drugs in the direct negotiation with big pharma could save the taxpayer almost 100 billion dollars over the next decade. it's hard to overstate just what a.b. fd this is, to borrow a line from president biden. it's a huge deal. in fact, it's something that democrats have tried and failed to do for the past 30 years. bill clinton tried back in 1983 when he was trying to overhaul the health care system. he could not do it. barack obama wanted to do it to, but the affordable care act when it was passed, did not say anything about the drug prices hornet medicare negotiations. even in the final few years of office, obama said he wanted to do it, but could not get it

done. even republican donald trump in 2016 on the campaign trail made this promise. >> medicare. with the biggest drug buyer in the world, we buy drugs. to make people better, all of that is fun. we don't negotiate the price of the drugs. when it comes time to negotiate the cost of drugs, we're going to negotiate like crazy, folks. >> and president, he did not do it. it joe biden, it took the inflation reduction act, to do something as necessary and popular as this. it's got massive public support. one poll from 2021 found 83% of americans backing medicare negotiations and drug prices, including 71% of republicans. of course, let's also be clear that for now, unknowingly, it is only ten drugs. the new lower prices frustratingly will not kagan until 2026. seniors will have to wait three more years, and joe biden will

not be able to point to lower prices come the election next year. nevertheless, if it was not a huge deal for ordinary americans, a huge win for millions of older migrants, the pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be so mad about, it wouldn't be filed no fewer than seven lawsuits across the nation in alliance with the right-wing pro business u.s. chamber of commerce. to quote the president, -- >> big pharma doesn't want this to happen. they're suing us to block this from negotiating lower prices so they can pad their profits while hardworking americans foot the bill. we're going to -- we're going to see this. or stand up to be from. >> i hope he does. financially and economically, it's the right thing to do. we know prices, fight inflation. politically, is the right thing to do. seven out of ten republicans support doing this. above all else, morally it is the right thing to do. protect the health and finances

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we'll be back next sunday at eight pm eastern. you can find the show on msnbc hub on p talk. new episodes of the mehdi hasan show air on peacock. now it's time to hand it over to my good friend, a man myiti. were you watching the republican presidential debate as i was? >> i lost two hours of my life that i will never get back. i was there as, well as millions of others. >> millions, millions of others. >> one thing that i noticed, everyone tuned into us right desantis. what is he going to do? is he going to stay the front runner off to trump? he's spent a lot of the night trying to prove that he's a real boy, a lot of shouting, a little bit of fake smiling. the moment that stood out to me, i'm sure to, you to a lot of people that watched the debate, the moment where the never back down governor and fellow candidates, we got the, clip we were asked what they would do if they were convicted.

we'll play the clip. >> if former president trump is convicted in a court of law, would you still support him as your party's choice? please raise your hand if you would. >> [applause] >> are we just going to slow that down to the viewers can see? there are five and, four goes up, desantis looks, around okay, i'll stick my hand up as well. that is the leadership that you get from the bold governor of florida, whose super pac is called never back down. let me see what everyone else is doing before we agree. a green to support a convicted criminal is bonkers, but you have the guts to do it on your, on this kind of cowardly. >> he's got no profile encouragement, as you suggested. anybody who had any reason to think that ron desantis was going to be a leader, all they had to do was look at that moment to know that he's not a leader, he's simply a follower,

and what they would never -- the truth of the matter, besides what happened on wednesday when you look at what's happening on thursday, they basically have a propaganda outlet it is doing their bidding. the big news this week was that that trump mugshot. when you see how fox responded to that mugshot, i want to show this to you and our viewers, and we'll talk about it on the back and. watch this. >> now he joins. frank snatcher, he joins elvis presley, he joins johnny cash, topock shakur. as one lady in new orleans, said trump is a gangster. >> the trump mugshot, already a superpower. >> just besides this year, -- [laughter] besides the shear questionable veracity of that claim that he spoke to a black lady who told him that he's a gangster, how silly that sounds.

it's so offensive, it's so racist, it's basically taking the entire black population of america and distilling them into this criminality that somehow trump criminality is going to speak to them. they're going to empathize with him because he's not a criminal. the sheer racism and the tone of taking this mugshot, -- >> not just a ton. the phrase itself. i spoke to one black women, that seems to me like the new version of having a black friend. i spoke to one black woman. that is reporting. >> and she said that he is now against, or somehow that gives him street cred among a segment of the black voting population. it is ignorant, it's racist, but then again, like i said, it's fox, it's propaganda, what do you expect? >> i didn't expect anything else from fox, but like i said, we can have the laugh at the expense of ron desantis, a laugh at the expense of the law ingram show. >> you have to always question

about that democracy. good show as always, great to see you. enjoy the rest of your evening off. tonight on ayman, the case to disqualify donald trump. could a constitutional amendment really keep the ex president from holding public office again? plus, racially motivated violent extremism, that's what the justice department is now investigating as he looks for answers in the wake of the jacksonville shooting. the breaking details in just a moment. and a waste of time and money causes republicans to expand attacks on biden and others, all to distract from trump's legal troubles. i'm ayman, let's get started. >> and just 12 hours from, now we may have answers to two major legal questions that are looming over two cases involving the disgraced ex president. the first, whether former white house chief of staff mark meadows, one of donald trump's 18 codefendantsin