on "andrea mitchell reports," the special council overseeing donald trump's case, ordering a trial date. in atlanta, former trump chief of staff, mark meadows, is on the stand trying to move his trial from state to federal court, where there would be no cameras and he might find a more favorable jury. and new information today from a security guard at a historically black college in jacksonville, in florida, where the shooter stopped briefly just before killing three black people at a nearby dollar general. the racist rampage in jacksonville coming as family and friends marked the historic march on washington 60 years ago, and i'll speak to martin luther king jr.'s close friend and adviser, clarence jones.

i'm andrea mitchell in washington where a federal judge has set a trial date for one of the criminal cases facing donald trump, jack smith's election interference case will begin march 4th of next year. that puts it smack in the middle of the 2024 political calendar, just a day before super tuesday. judge chutkan telling the two sides at one point to take the temperature down, as things got really heated in court. the trump attorney arguing president trump is entitled to a fair trial, this is a request for a speedy trial. >> setting a trial date does not depend and should depend on a defendant's personal and professional obligations, mr. trump, like any defendant, will have to make the trial date work regardless of his schedule. joining me, justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian outside the d.c.

courthouse and former u.s. attorney and law professor, joyce vance. ken, a march 4th, 2024 trial date has been set. what does it mean for the two sides? >> reporter: i have to say, andrea, more aggressive than many people believed. i was thinking maybe june, maybe in the summer. it's only two months distant from what the special counsel had proposed, which was january of 2024, and the judge said that was too aggressive. but she really didn't give the trump team much of anything, and they didn't help themselves at this hearing with some rather bombastic comments about the enormity of the case. she told them right away, look, april of 2026 was not happening, that was not reasonable in her view. it was way too far from the actual point of the alleged crimes, witnesses could lose their memories. she said, give me a reasonable timeframe that you need to process all the discovery in this case, and they just wouldn't do it. they wouldn't get off the april 2026 date that they were

proposing. it's pretty clear they wanted to make a record so they could appeal this question down the line. but the judge said that it's in the interest of justice and in the public interest to get this case to trial. the prosecution, molly gaston had a really interesting thing to say about that. she stood up after the defense had made their arguments for delay and she said, this defendant is accused of historic crimes and she said there's an incredibly strong public interest in a jury's prompt consideration of those claims in open court. that's essentially what the judge decided as well, that the public has a right to hear this case before the election, and it's not just the defendant's right to a speedy trial, it's the public's right to a speedy trial. she said the idea that the defense couldn't process all the discovery, 12.8 million documents, really wasn't persuasive to her and she agreed with the prosecution's argument

that a lot of this evidence had been made available by the committee that investigated the matter. she has set a march 4th, 2024 trial date, and that's the day jury selection would begin. that's not set in stone. there's always delays in cases. but it suggests that sooner rather than later we're going to see this case go to trial. and in reference to speed and the complications or lack of same of the trial, joyce, it's notable that she said -- well, they both said the prosecutor and she said there's no issue of the classified documents. it's notable, as we noted at the time, that no classified documents were actually mentioned in the indictment, in the original indictment, and they're not going to have a big argument in open court about documents and classifications. >> that's right. this is unlike the mar-a-lago case where classified material takes center stage. in this situation, the government has said that there are very few classified

documents, they won't slow anything down, and to ken's point about the judge's comments about discovery and living in the electronic age, when you have 12.8 million documents, what you have is a situation that goes something like this: i email you and ken a transcript from the january 6th committee hearing. you email that, each of you, to five or six people, and they forward it on to people. all of that can come back in discovery, so there's this duplication. that's where computers come in. they rule out duplicates. then you can use word searches to narrow down to the documents that you need. and the government in this case has already vouched that they've given the defense a roadmap to the documents that they'll be using at trial, giving them a real jump-start that defendants don't typically have. so this is six plus months to go to trial. that's very reasonable in one defendant case with only four

counts. people who think that doesn't sound reasonable may have never practiced in a rocket docket where judges take the speedy trial act very seriously. but that's what this judge did today. >> joining us now from outside the d.c. courthouse, former federal prosecutor, glenn kirschner who was inside and listening to the proceedings. we were struck by the judge's no-nonsense handling of the defense arguments, that they maybe argued too much and went too far in arguing for a 2026 trial date. >> reporter: yeah, i think judge chutkan gave them every opportunity to come back with another proposed trial date that would be more realistic than april 2026, and the defense steadfastly refused to do it. the prosecutor started with a very straightforward, methodical

recitation of how much discovery has already been provided by the prosecutors, and we learned today that discovery is complete, the fifth batch, the final batch has already been delivered to the defense. the prosecutors talked about how they organized it, how they did keys so that the defense teams would know exactly where to look, how these were searchable records that were provided by the government. and then the lead defense counsel sort of stood up, he started loud, and he only got louder. now, he was passionately arguing that he and his team need more time to prepare than the january 2nd proposed trial date from jack smith and his team. but the judge had to twice tell him to take the temperature down. that's a quote. and he did, to his credit. but she continued to ask him, please provide me with an alternative, a more realistic proposed trial date. he refused to do it, and i think

at the end of the day that enured to his detriment. she made clear jury selection will begin on march 4th. something else that was really interesting, she said i know that donald trump has a march trial date in new york, but i've talked with the judge and told him that i was contemplating setting a trial date. she didn't say anything more than that. i thought it was notable that judges now feel free to at least coordinate with one another on possible trial dates, given that donald trump's trial dance card is quite full. >> and ken dilanian, you've noted that this is, of course, the day before super tuesday, it's remarkable it's the monday before super tuesday and right in the middle of the calendar. she was clear in dispelling that. and you have to wonder whether the defense attorney was playing to another audience, an audience of one, by being that aggressive in the courtroom, because he

knows his client, perhaps, and in this case the judge is more important than the client. >> reporter: agreed, andrea. and i think what we're seeing here is sort of the collision between this bombastic approach to the practice of law and the realities of the courtroom, where the rules and the evidence matter. and so we've been wondering how this is going to work. how does somebody run for president when they're under four criminal indictments and they're going to have to be juggling the schedules, when they're going to be sitting in a courtroom for weeks and weeks? that's starting to dawn now on everyone, i would assume, including the trump campaign, that this is a reality that they're not going to be able to escape from. whether this holds, it's going to be at some point during the presidential campaign that donald trump is going to have to be sitting, and this trial is going to take many, many weeks. it's a complicated endeavor.

most of us have no idea what it's like to defend themselves in one white collar complex criminal trial, let alone four. it requires mental energy, attention, and that's what is going to be demanded of donald trump and his attorneys, even as he is running for president. >> mental energy, as well as staying in washington instead of being on the trail. ken dilanian, glenn kirschner, thanks to you. after a short break, we're going to talk about the other big case from washington to atlanta. the latest on the other major court case, this one involving donald trump's former chief of staff, mark meadows, and the efforts to overturn the 2020 election. that's next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back in 60 seconds on msnbc. that's why they choose t-mobile for business. mlb partners with t-mobile to not only enhance the fan experience, but to advance how the game is played. aaa relies on t-mobile's network

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court. meadows taking the stand to describe his duties as white house chief of staff, calling it a 24/7 job and detailing his early mornings and briefings that he received. joining me now, nbc news correspondent blayne alexander at the courthouse in atlanta, former lead investigator for the january 6th committee, and back with us, still with us, former u.s. attorney joyce vance. was it in any way a surprise that meadows took the stand? and tell us about his testimony. >> reporter: andrea, it was. in fact, we didn't know until we saw him this morning that he was going to come down to georgia. so to have him at the hearing, to have him be the first person to take the stand, was certainly something that we weren't necessarily anticipating. now, at last check, we do have a producer who is inside the overflow room and has been kind of running out to give dispatches of what's happening inside. but as of about 20 minutes ago or so, he was still on the stand. we know his team had already finished questioning and he's now getting questioned by the

state. he was asked a number of things. as you mentioned, his duties as a white house chief of staff, describing it as a 24/7 job and describing himself as the former president's personal assistant and talking about his range of duties, the number of briefings he would receive on a daily basis. he was asked about his visit that he made to cobb county back in 2020 in the days following the election, where he came down and observed the signature ballot audit process. he said he was down here in georgia visiting his children and said that he went by the cobb county facility in anticipation of questions that the then-president might ask him. he said that he observed a very professional process, he said things seemed to be running smoothly, and that he relayed that to then-president trump when he went back to washington. so certainly some more insight there that we did not have previously about that incident that we know was very much part of the indictment. another thing that we're watching is that we know that, in addition to mark meadows, we're expecting to hear from georgia secretary of state brad

raffensperger. he's the person who was at the receiving end of that phone call from former president trump, the one that really launched all of this. mark meadows was also on the call at the same time as well. when he does take the stand, this will be the first time that we have heard raffensperger talk about this at length. it's also going to be the first time, as we kind of watch this hearing unfold, that we get any sort of indication into fani willis' case, any type of indication into how she plans on laying this out going forward. >> and, tim, i want to play what mark meadows said on the 2021 call that he was also on, which we have thank to your work and your colleagues' work on the! ics january 6th committee when he was subpoenaed to appear today. >> what i'm hopeful for is there's some way that we can find some kind of an agreement

to look at this a little bit more fully. >> mr. secretary, i can tell you say there were only two dead people who would vote and i can promise you there are more than that. >> so mark meadows saying i can promise you there were more than that. that's not the same as collecting information in order to answer questions that the president of the united states might ask him. what was he doing down there, did he have to go down there in order to do it, those are issues that would come to mind, right? >> yeah. look, andrea, elections are state run in this country. georgia runs its own election, the georgia state government led by the secretary of state with respect to elections, maintains elections. so there's really no federal interest here, there's nothing that would be part of the white house chief of staff's official responsibility in that phone call or any of his other action in georgia. this is precisely the argument

that we've had with numbers -- with a number of witnesses over executive privilege, meadows and others have said, well, the january 6th committee and federal prosecutors can't access my information because it's covered by an executive privilege. the response to that was, you were taking action well beyond your official capacity as white house chief of staff, and therefore it's not covered by a privilege. he lost that argument in d.c. and was forced to go into the grand jury, and i expect he'll lose that argument in federal court in atlanta, because not everything that he does, even though he's serving as white house chief of staff, falls within the ambit of his responsibility, particularly when it comes to elections, which are state functions. >> joyce, i want to ask you about whether there was possible coordination, which would be perfectly fine and understandable, between the trump defense attorneys, especially the new attorney, and the attorneys representing mark meadows or chesebro or others

asking for a speedy trial. i've heard there's an advantage to donald trump in hearing the case put out there, the prosecution case that early, but also a disadvantage in that it's going to be potentially, if it's not in federal court, on camera, right out there for the voters to see going into the peak of the primary season. >> right, that's one of the big questions that we're looking at today, what's the advantage to any of these defendants to the move into federal court. there's been some thought that maybe the jury pool would be more trump friendly. i think it's a real misnomer to think that juries decide cases the same way that voters vote. but even leaving that aside, a jury here would be pooled from the county surrounding fulton county. they don't vote significantly differently than fulton county. it's still a heavily leaning

democratic area. where meadows is concerned, this looks like a gambit by his attorneys. they're trying to get this into federal court, so as tim explained, they can ask the judge to dismiss the case entirely on immunity grounds. they're making a very narrow argument, saying that meadows is unlike even trump, in that he never gets to take off his chief of staff hat, even when he's visiting his kids, the argument apparently goes he's out looking for information in response to trump's questions. so he'll try to distinguish his position in that way and hope for that dismissal. i think if he doesn't, though, what we could easily see is meadows then trying to cut a deal with fani willis under georgia's first-time offender law. he could be eligible for very favorable treatment. as you point out, they're watchful, they've had a lawyer in the courtroom looking at these removal proceedings. if meadows really does flip,

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what he was doing. he was 100% lucid. he knew what he was doing. again, it's disappointing that anyone would go to these lengths to hurt someone else. >> joining me is nbc national correspondent, gabe gutierrez, joining our team as senior white house correspondent and doing double duty today, and civil rights attorney david henderson. gabe, you've spent so much time in florida, one of your previous assignments, covering these horrible shootings around the world -- around the country, i should say. what can you tell us about the gunman's history and how the community is reacting? >> reporter: hi, there, andrea. the community is devastated. you saw the prayer vigil where hundreds of people came here to mourn the lives lost. but as you mentioned, investigators say the gunman identified as a 21-year-old white male actually purchased those two guns that he used

legally, despite being held several years ago when he was 15 years old under florida's baker act for an involuntary mental health evaluation. there was also a domestic violence call at his home involving his brother. its unclear what became of that. police say he had no criminal history and that he also lived with his parents in a home just outside of jacksonville. but as you just heard the sheriff say, he had many racist writings and that he intended this attack to kill black people, andrea. >> and, gabe, governor ron desantis attended one of the vigils sunday and apparently didn't get an entirely friendly response. >> reporter: that's right. he got a chilly response by some of those who attended the vigil. the broader context here, you know that governor ron desantis has drawn backlash around the country for the revamping of teaching standards here in florida involving african

american history, and that one of the new controversial provisions say that some slaves derived a personal benefit from the skills they learned during slavery. governor desantis has said that's taken out of context, the curriculum is strong, and that slaves learned those skills in spite of slavery, not because of them. but, still, he went to the prayer vigil yesterday and he got this response. take a listen. >> thank you for doing this. i want to say to the council woman, council woman, i've got you, don't worry about it. we've already been looking to identify funds to be able to help, one, make sure there's adequate security for the college. >> reporter: you hear the extensive booing. this morning governor desantis says he's directing $1 million in funding for the local hbcu to

provide extra security, and also $100,000 for the victims' families. he also spoke with president biden this morning, the president pledging his support to this community. >> gabe, i know you're going to be covering it all, including when we hear for the first time from the security officer from the historically black college. we don't know whether or not that was an initial target, then deferred by the security there. david henderson, the sheriff is saying the shooting was racially motivated, it's very clear from his writings the gunman hated black people. were there warnings, emails, that someone should have noticed? >> that's a difficult question to answer in light of what he just said. what i'm initially drawn toward thinking about, is how many times you, gabe and i have had conversations about these topics in recent years when we should be thinking about how far we've come and not how far we've got

to go. it's the 60th anniversary of the "i have a dream speech" and it's shocking this man was only 21 years old. based on the number of manifestos he seems to have left and the number of people who were aware of them, combined with other factors, like, for example, a prior history of domestic violence, there are a number of reasons why people should have taken note before a tragedy like this happened, and it dovetails all too well with other stories in the news right now, and that will be over the course of the next two years, about whether or not we're going to begin protecting people from circumstances like this. >> david henderson and gabe gutierrez, thanks to both of you. thanks very much. a truly sad day. eight u.s. marines remain in the hospital after a fiery air crash off the northern coast of australia, killing three marines over the weekend. the first five marines to arrive at the hospital were critically injured. one underwent an emergency surgery, 12 others who survived the crash have been discharged from the hospital.

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right now, here in washington, president biden and the first lady are at a middle school in northeast d.c., greeting seventh grade students as they return to school, shaking hands in the hallway before stopping by the cafeteria and the classroom. and after vivek ramaswamy grabbed the spotlight during the first gop primary debate last week, americans are learning more about the political newcomer on the heels of the racist shooting in jacksonville. he appeared to be saying that racist violence was possibly the result of affirmative action, that was sunday on "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> is there existing racism in the united states? of course there is. but those last burning embers of racism, the last thing i want to do is throw kerosene on it and that's exactly what he believe the modern culture is doing by creating race-based quota systems that deny people access to goods or services based on the color of their skin. the right answer to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating

on the basis of race. >> your argument comes across as blaming those that are trying to create equality for the rise in racism. >> well, the fact is, chuck, i don't want to be playing a blame game. i want to be going toward a solution. >> joining us now, susan page, tim miller, and former white house press secretary, robert gibbs. ramaswamy is defending himself after he compared congresswoman pressley to the kkk. can he handle the scrutiny of a national campaign? >> we're about to find out. he has succeeded to becoming the center of attention, he was the guy others wanted to beat up on at the debate. he's not getting the kind of scrutiny you get when you get a little traction, rise in the polls, and that has included scrutiny of when he has changed positions on things like january

6th, he called it a horrid event and said trump was a loser, now he said trump was the greatest president in the 21st century. these are questions he's going to have to answer. >> we have more results, robert gibbs, from the nbc news des moines register poll, finding fewer than half of iowa republican caucusgoers describe themselves as maga republicans. one in four say they're anti-trump. so where do you see a path forward for someone to cut into trump's lead? >> well, they're going to have to in some ways take that other than maga republicans, some of that is not going to be trump voters, necessarily. they may be tired of this. but you're going to have to have somebody on the other side that

coaleces the trump voters, and if the polling is correct, i means there's 5% in the pool of voters that aren't voting for trump. i will say, as it relates to what we were just talking about, with some of these answers both on the debate stage and in the interviews -- pardoned me for being reminded a bit of donald trump in 2015 and 2016, i am not sure that the scrutiny of the national political campaign, given who is going to do the scrutinizing and the republican caucusgoers are going to pay all that much attention to it. donald trump spent two years telling us that he was going to build a wall, and mexico was going to pay for it. everybody said that's outlandish, and yet everybody cheered at those rallies, because of it. so i think vivek feels to me like a younger version of donald trump. it will be interesting to see whether his opponents press him

in a way that i don't think fact checks are going to be all that effective at doing. >> yeah, it does seem that's what he's modeling himself after, indeed, the trump -- the trump performance on the stage. tim, here is how a new hampshire voter took senator tim scott to task and how tim scott responded, because he's an elected official and this surprised some about the do's and don'ts of detail politics. >> you don't stand up to trump, how are you going to stand up to the president of russia and china? >> i think the truth is, it's not standing up to trump. >> you're avoiding standing up for his past. you don't have -- you don't want to lose his votes, i get you. >> the premise of the question is, why don't you stand up to trump? you're just wrong that i don't. >> i didn't hear you the other night saying i can't accept him as president. >> do you want to have a

conversation or a monologue? if you want to have a dialogue, i'll be speaking as well. >> what did that moment reveal to you? >> those new hampshire diners can come up and bite you. it's not as easy as it looks. tim scott, i think, got upset because the voter was getting at something that at some level he knows to be true about himself, he's pulling punches about donald trump and he can list off the two or three times he's criticized trump over the last eight years. he's running a campaign against trump and losing by about 50 points right now, and he did mention donald trump by name on stage. nobody has figured out how to do it. this is why trump persists. it's challenging, you see ramaswamy trying to do the trump imitation, you see desantis kind of veering back and forth, tim scott has tried to ignore him, chris christie has tried to attack him.

it's tough. it's a very narrow read with republican voters where you need to be able to get the ones that don't like trump, the 20% in the poll, but also, to get to a majority, you need to get some of the voters that do like trump. it puts these candidates between a rock and a hard place and we're seeing that none of them seem to be talented enough to walk that fine line. >> and, susan, i want to take you to virginia, you know virginia politics, golf glenn youngkin is now reportedly plotting a 15-week abortion ban if republicans in his state win control of the general assembly in november. it's very tight there. do you see this as something that would help him or hurt him if he, as a lot of donors are telling us, want him to get into the race late, despite the early filing deadlines? >> a lot of interest among donors, and reportedly, including rupert murdoch, in getting governor youngkin into the race. i think this is an important --

this is his effort to take what he will portray as a moderate position on abortion than the six-week ban that governor desantis signed. he supported a 15-week ban before the democratic-controlled assembly wouldn't pass it, so he's trying to set up things for his legislative agenda going forward. he says that's one reason he's waiting until the state legislative elections in november before he decides whether to jump into this presidential race. >> thanks to all of you, and remembering the dream, crowds coming to washington to celebrate, honor and relive the historic 1963 march on washington. up next, we'll speak with one of the men who helped martin luther king jr. draft that famous speech 60 years ago today. this is "andrea mitchell reports," only on msnbc. that's why they choose t-mobile for business. mlb partners with t-mobile to not only enhance the fan experience,

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creed, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. >> dr. king's family members, including his granddaughter, remembering his vision this saturday. >> if i could speak to my grandfather today, i would say, i'm sorry we still have to be here to re-dedicate ourselves to finishing your work, and ultimately realizing your hidden dream. >> and joining me now is the man who helped write that famous speech, attorney clarence jones, the former personal counsel, adviser, close friend of dr. king's. his new book is "last of the lions" and it is such an honor to meet you. >> again. >> again. we had similar roots in philadelphia. >> that's right. >> talk to me about that day and

what you see today with the racist killings at the same time on saturday that you were out at the mall, to have that kind of a manifesto. >> i want to say in defense of martin luther king jr, martin luther king jr didn't need me or in else to draft his speeches. he was totally capable, brilliant, okay? the only thing is that he -- the two sources of income, the speaks fees that he got and mail-in solicitations. so if you're speaking four days a week, it's hard for you -- you know, he just did a speech. i remember exactly, he was invited to be a speaker for the convention of the national maritime union on a wednesday. he told me, he says, clarence, i don't know what to do with this. i said, what do you mean?

he says, i just can't go and do the traditional speech. i said, i'll try to help you. >> where did the "i have a dream" theme come from? >> actually, it didn't come from me. i had nothing to do with that. it did not come it did not come from me. he had uttered the same phrase in june of that year in boston when he was speaking. what happened is when he was reading the text, a written text which i had prepared for him -- by the way, the only reason i prepared it for him, he was overwhelmed, he was tired. his problem was starting the speech. as an insurance policy, i made one the night before and gave him the handwritten yellow pages of suggested text that he might consider using, never thinking about using. it's only when he was speaking

from the text that i had prepared, jackson got up and said tell them about the dream, martin, tell them about the dream. that's when he took the prepared text that i had written, pushed it to the left side of the lectern, looked up over the crowd and then did something -- unless you've been around a lot of baptist preachers, you're not going to appreciate what i'm about to describe. i was standing behind him. i saw him take his right foot, start taking his right foot and rubbing it up and down from the back of his left heel all the way up to his left knee, starting rubbing that back foot, back foot. that's when i looked and i said, these people out there, they don't know it. but they're about ready to go to church. it was like -- it was charlie

parker. >> i was going to say this is like jazz -- >> that's right, that's right. when i saw him do that, i said to somebody -- i know it was another human being, i don't know what nationality. i said these people don't know it, but they're about ready to go to church. the entire rest of the speech about mexia jackson was spontaneous. only when he got to the end of the speech, he looked down in the envelope and wanted to quote something, free at last, free at last, free at last. but everything -- the first 7 1/2 paragraphs was crafted by me. the stuff about the return check and all that? well, i had had the experience of going into chase bank, the rockefeller family wouldn't help us. i had the experience of seeing

his brother, david, take out $100,000 in cash and give us the bail money to help us. it was in april that year. as i was about ready to leave the bank. no, no, no, mr. jones. bank records require you to sign something. see that person over there. what's your name? i had to sign what's called a demand promissory note. your audience -- there's a regular promissory note payable after one year, two years, three years, and there's demand promissory notes. a creditor can't just say i want my money. you've got to give some notice. in new york at the time i think it was five years. it was a promissory note you have to pay on demand. after i take $100,000, rushing out to go to the plane, and i stop at the pay phone and call harry belafonte. i said, harry, you didn't tell

me i have to sign a demand promissory note. he said, better you than me. i said, you got more money than me, brother. i was really angry. got on the plane, went to birmingham, took $100,000 to help bail out all the kids and so forth. tuesday morning i come back and there's a message from chase bank. mr. jones, some identification and an envelope marked personal and confidential is the promissory note that i had signed. >> oh, my gosh. >> i turned over and looked at the back of it. it said paid in full. >> that tells us so much about what was the most integrated march to that day. there was an outpouring of people -- >> 25% of that march was white people. let me tell you something, this is why -- i'm here -- everybody knows i was dr. king's lawyer. let me tell you, in my final

years, i'm so delighted to do this interview because i've loved you forever. come on, alan, don't get upset. i respect your husband immensely. i'm here as chairman of the board of the spill the money foundation. it's a foundation dedicated to forcing us to remember the alliance of what made the civil rights movement possible. you know what it was? i'll tell you what it was. we thought all white people were alike from a distance. i'm not a bashful person. i'd go up to somebody and say, excuse me, so and so, why are you here? it would be a demonstration some place. he said, you go back and tell your dr. king, i'm here because this is what my grandpa and grandma would want me to do. i'm sorry, i don't understand. you see, mr. jones, i'm jewish and i'm here working with you and dr. king because this is

what my grandpa and grandma would want me to do. i go back to martin, i said, you know what? we're 12% of the population. there's another group out there, they're white -- they may look white and they do look white. but when you get up white, they're jewish, and the overriding repetitive reason they say they're here -- they love you, they love what you're doing, but it's not because of you, martin. they're here because they want to pay tribute to their grandpa and grandma. i'm sorry if i tear up a little bit. if you know anything -- see, that's why i get so angry about this country. we're in a very difficult situation, okay? i see -- i believe that violence lies like molten lava under our streets, and i'm not trying to be an alarmist.

i'm just telling you what i see. i'm in palo alto, california, silicon valley. i'm telling you that there's a level of violence and there's a deep level of anti-semitism in this country. i'm not trying to cry wolf. i'm just telling you what i see. >> clarence jones, will you come back, please? >> hey, for you? any time. >> clarence jones will return. thank you so much. continuing on the team of equality, the u.s. open which is getting under way in new york, billie jean king still reigns supreme at the tennis center that bears her name, 50 years after she got equal prize money for women. we caught up with her to talk about that half century of leadership and her enduring legacy. >> the tennis battle of the

sexes, billie jean king versus bobby riggs. >> 29-year-old billie jean king was at the top of her game in 1973. bobby riggs was 5. the self-described male chauvinist was ranked number one and was convinced he could beat her. 90 million people watched around the world. >> look at that crowd. >> what did you need to prove in that match 50 years ago for women? >> i knew the match was bigger than a tennis match. i knew it was about social change. >> king shut down the doubters beating rigs in three straight sets. >> after i won, he came up to the net and said i underestimated you. >> people underestimated you a lot as one of the early pioneers. >> i think people underestimate women in general. i'm sure you're unestimated, too. every day since that day someone has brought the match up.

i think it did help change the minds and hearts of people, to help women just get in there. >> people still come up to you, 50 years later. >> they do. it's vivid for them. >> king holds 39 grand slam titles, it's her advocacy for equality including winning equal prize money for women at the u.s. open that is her most enduring work. >> i stand on the shoulders of the people that came before me. the younger ones stand on my shoulders. >> even bobby riggs eventually got it. >> we stayed friends up until he passed away. i kept saying bobby, this is about history, not about money for me. this is about making history and doing the right thing. >> he got it them. he said we really did make a difference, didn't we? i said, yes. >> a difference being felt by new generations every day. thanks for being with us. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts right now.

good day everyone. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. running for president while fighting for his freedom. we know donald trump's reality will be very real next month when his conspiracy trial is set to begin right in the heart of the campaign season. his next major reality check will come out of georgia and soon. that's where mark meadows is hoping to get his trial moved to federal court and potentially lay out a blueprint for all the other defendants to follow including the former president. yet another city, this time jacksonville, florida, trying to come to grips with a mass shooting. this one involving a 21-year-old targeting saturday shoppers solely because of the color of their skin. the latest on the hate crimes investigation into the gunman even after he