up next. tonight on "the reidout" -- >> blood on your hands. >> thank you for doing this. >> this is a governor who has done nothing but fan, fan these types of happenings throughout our state. look at the end of the day, the governor has blood on his hands. >> ron desantis booed by his constituents in florida after saturday's mass shooting in jacksonville. committed by a self avowed racist, a phrase desantis would never, ever say. state representative angie nixon who you just heard, and who you see in this powerful photo, joins me tonight. also, vivek ramaswami, republicans' new favorite toy, calls congresswoman ayanna pressley and author ibram x.

kendi, modern grand wizards of the kkk. both of those esteemed people maligned by the wanna be mini trump join me tonight. but we begin tonight with the absurd and the ridiculous. the national bobblehead hall of fame and museum is creating its own donald trump mugshot bobblehead. yes, that is happening. one of these unsmiling, scowling collectibles memorializing trump's history making georgia arrest can be yours for a mere $30 plus shipping starting in january. they even mention the iwill be individually numbers, i would try to hold out for bobblehead number 01135809. and that is just one of the countless pieces of mugshot merch available for sale. trump himself is putting the

mugshot on just about anything he thinks his supporters will buy. from t-shirts to coffee mugs to beer cozies to bumper stickers. better for trump to try to cash in on it now because he'll need the money for an extremely packed and expensive calbder with the twice impeached four times indicted ex-president having dual arguments starting early in the year. that's because the judge overseeing trump's federal election interference case scheduled the trial to begin on march 4th next year. one day before super tuesday. that means as trump begins his defense to a jury of peers to acquit him, he hopes, for trying to overturn the last election, he'll simultaneously be making the argument to republican voters he should be their nominee for the next one. trump and his legal team had requested the trial not begin until april of 2026.

that's more than 2 1/2 years from now. that's how much time they claim they needed to adequately prepare. that argument didn't go far with judge chutkan, who made it clear the proposed date was far beyond what was necessary. she even offered trump's team a chance to offer an alternate start date, but they wouldn't budge on the year 2026. the special counsel requested it begin in january, arguing there was a strong public interest in starting the trial sooner rather than later. quote, on a near daily basis, the defendant posts on social media about this case. he has publicly disparaged witnesses. he's attacked the integrity of the courts and citizens of the district of columbia, so under the speedy trial act, your honor, we need to find a time for trial when as soon as the defense can reasonably be necessary. judge chutkan also reiterated

she would not let trump's personal or political schedules impact her decisions. quote, mr. trump will be treated exactly with no more or less deference than any other defendant would be treated. aparbtdly, that was not good enough for trump who didn't waste much time proving the special counsel's argument, attacking jack smith and judge chutkan online. and claiming he would be appealing the trial date, something he cannot actually do. it is also worth noting that as this contentious hearing played out, sitting in the front row taking notes throughout was one jack smith. joining me now are two former prosecutors, glenn kirschner and renato mariotti. thank you both for being here. i'll start with you, glenn. just to reiterate the point. one cannot appeal the start date of the trial, right? i'm not a lawyer, but even i knew that. please explain why. >> no, it's not -- any kind of a final ruling, an appealable

ruling. the judge has, i would say, complete discretion, not just broad discretion, but complete discretion in managing her calendar and setting reasonable trial dates, which is precisely what judge chutkan did today. i'll tell you, joy, i was in the courtroom. the defense counsel john lauro did not do himself any favors. he was a bomb thrower. it sounded like he was making arguments to donald trump's base, not to the judge, when the judge implored him, give me a reasonable alternative proposal. he said, and i think i can quote him because i was furiously taking notes. he said, we can't do it in anything less than the time we have proposed. and she had had about enough, and she said, well, then, you just bought yourself a march 4, 2024 trial date. >> and just to stay with you for a moment, because you know, the judge goes on to say that, you know, number one, trump likely knows most of the witnesses, a lot of them worked for him.

the information has been out for two years. and she goes on to say, the defense has not identified any case in the district where the defendant was given two years in which there were no codefendants and no ongoing pandemic. you're in the court, glenn, what was the defense's response to that? >> she actually called them out and said the numbers tat you gave, for example, trial took 29.4 months, she said first of all, that was from the time of indictment until the time of sentencing. these are pandemic era cases, when everything was backed up. and she said, your arguments are, quote, misleading. i'm sure, you know, people would agree with me that when a judge tells you that you have put something in a legal filing that is, quote, misleading, it's kind of like a dagger to the heart. we don't take it kindly. but that's what she told the

defense counsel. and she was right. you know, she called his bluff at every turn, and the prosecutors called the defense counsel's bluff at every turn. my favorite moment was when john lauro was insisting he hasn't done anything to prepare the case. he hasn't had time, he hasn't looked at the documents, and the prosecutor stood up and said actually, he gave an interview to the media where he said he has read mike pence's book not once but twice and is already preparing. cross-examination, so it sounds like the defense preparation is well under way. >> it sounds like he's got more rudys. renato, let's talk about the calendar. i want to put it up so you can kind of visualize in your mind what this looks like. in january, january 15th, the e. jean carroll civil defamation case. then at the end of january, you have the federal class action suit. but sandwiches in between there is the iowa caucuses. then you have february, where he gets time off being in court.

nevada, south carolina, michigan. then march 5th is super tuesday. the day before that, the federal election interference trial. eight days before that, the georgia primary and a bunch of other primaries in march. then april, more primaries. may, the hush money case is sandwiches in march. you could go on and on. you have more primaries in may. this is a mess, renato. i can't describe it as anything but that. can donald trump make an argument that having to hop back and forth between these trials and cases in multiple cities and trying to also be at trial, can that be an argument he can use to delay any of this? >> well, he can make the argument that he can only be in one courtroom at a time. i think judge chutkan dealt with that. she said she's been in touch with the judge in manhattan, and that judge has made it clear there can be an adjustment on the calendar. i would expect judge chutkan's case can go first, the d.c. case goes first, then the manhattan

case afterward. i will just say, joy, you are right to describe this as a mess. and it's a mess that donald trump created. i think judge chutkan made that clear. and ultimately, she said he's going to be treated like anybody else in this situation. he's not the only person charged in multiple districts. people like r. kelly have been charged in multiple districts, and ultimately, he went to trial and stood trial in multiple districts. that's the reality of the situation donald trump finds himself in. >> and by the way, to glenn's point earlier, his lawyers aren't helping him. because they keep going on tv and saying stupid stuff. here's elena hoba on fox. >> if it was a normal person, i could understand the concern. president trump is not your average person. he's incredibly intelligent and he knows the ropes. he also knows the facts because he lived them. these are not complicated facts. look at fani, it was a phone

call, a phone call that's been around forever, that he refers to as the perfect phone call. what is he going to have to be prepped for? the truth? you don't have to prep much when you have done nothing wrong. >> they just going to superman that. he's superman, super smart, super intelligent. nothing can stop him. how does that help him if he's saying he needs two years to go to trial? >> look, she did not get the memo. she's obviously not in sync with the president or the defense team. she's almost sound like she should be working for the special counsel's office. look, i think it's fair to say, elena hoba, i'm shocked she even has a law degree. she doesn't sound like she really knows what she's doing. she's sort of like a less drunk version of rudy giuliani, winging it on television. she obviously threw it out there, but i think the bigger problem, and glenn pointed this out a moment ago, is in court,

really, trump's lawyer i think decided that judge chutkan was not going to rule his way, was not going to give him his 2026 trial date, so he was playing for his client there. he was basically trying to win brownie points from trump instead of advancing the legal arguments. it's going to be a very, very long several months for the trump team in the judge chutkan courtroom. >> by the way, she was talking about the georgia trial, but you're so funny. they would look at her and be like, girl, please. let me go back to you for a second, glenn, because you were in the courtroom. this had to have been maybe the most audacious, i'll use that term, to be kind, attempt by the trump team. they tried to equate him to the scottsboro boys. judge chutkan, the defense argues that scheduling a speedy trial is not to proceed promptly but to go forward with the haste of the mob. the landmark decision in powell,

the supreme court reversed the conditions of several young black men for allegedly raping two white women. the case is profoundly different from powell. mr. trump is represented by a team of zealous experienced attorneys and has the resources necessary to efficiently review the discovery and investigate, and as the government points out, a great deal of dovery has already been available or is duplicative. i almost think they're trolling us at this point. this is the case that gave rise to the phrase stay woke. ledbelly, a blues singer at the time, coined the term stay woke about the scotsboro boys. the fact his team is now trying to use that case in which they were the victims of a criminal injustice system for trump is so offensive, i don't even have words for it so i'm hoping you do, glenn. >> i have a couple words for it, joy. i was so offended the minute i read page one of trump's filing when they were asking for that

absurd trial date of april 2026, because on page one, they cite powell v. alabama. as some kind of a measuring stick against which to judge whether donald trump and his battalion of lawyers and his billions of dollars should be made to go to trial within about six or eight months, and as you say, the powell case involved nine african american teenagers. ages 12 to 19, who were accused of sexually assaulting a white woman. they were arrested, arraigned, and forced to go to trial in less than two weeks, without qualified counsel, in a death penalty case. that is the measuring stick against which we are to measure donald trump's burden of having a full battalion of lawyers, you know, preparing his case to go to trial six or eight months down the road? offensive is the nicest word i can come up with. and i tell you, i got goosebumps when i heard judge chutkan, who

i tried murder cases against back in the day when she was a public defender, go to alabama v. powell and i said thank you, judge, because that's exactly where you should call the trump team out. >> it is -- i mean, i think what you have to understand is the reason the right is stealing history and banning history or banning history so they can steal it. they are attempting to take what is critical race theory, the idea that the criminal justice system is racialized and weaponized against people of color, they're trying to flip that and say yeah, it's weaponized, but against a so-called billionaire former president of the united states. so because he is a white conservative, he is the one who is the victim of a two-tiered justice system. when black people say this a two-tiered justice system, they say that's offensive and illegal to state, that the real weaponization is against trump. they are banning history because they want to steal it and

reappropriate it. it's remarkable, but it's happening. glenn and renato, thank you both. up next on "the reidout," rackable times y'all. today's other court hearing, mark meadows takes a stand in a push to move his case to federal court. "the reidout" continues after this. (horn honks) i'm the team mascot, and boy, am i running late. but i've got lead in my foot and spirit in my fingers. woo! ha ha what a hit! and if you have cut rate car insurance the cost to cover that, might tank your season. so, get allstate and be better protected from mayhem... like me. (laughing) woo!

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election probe, took the witness stand to bolster his bid to move the fulton county case to federal court. meadows testified that he believed his actions detailed in the indictment fell within the scope of his duties as chief of staff. apparently for meadows those duties include keeping donald trump in power. the allegations against meadows include participating in the so-called perfect phone call, where then-president donald trump pressured georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger to find the votes that would change the election results in his state. >> what i'm hopeful for is there's some way we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully. >> well, i listened to what the president has just said. president trump, we have had several lawsuits, and we had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions.

we don't agree that you have one. >> the second voice you heard there was raffensperger. who was subpoenaed to testify today at today's hearing. u.s. district judge steve jones concluded the hearing late today without a ruling, adding that he doesn't rule before september 6th. that he won't rule before september 6th. if not, meadows should proceed with arraignment. joining me is paul butler, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. just to clarify that last thing, if he doesn't rule, he should go for a speedy trial. let's go through all of this. paul, let's start with meadows' chances of being able to move this to federal court. you just heard him on the call. he didn't sound like he was performing some sort of federal duty. he sounded like he was asking if there was a way to flip the election. can that be ruled in any conception as doing his federal job? >> nope. so joy, here's the law. if a federal official is charged with a crime in state or for

conduct that the defendant says was part of their federal job responsibilities, then the case can be moved to federal court, and you remember, donald trump tried the same move. he wanted to get the prosecution by the manhattan district attorney moved to federal court. and the federal judge in new york denied that motion, telling trump paying hush money to porn stars wasn't part of trump's official responsibilities as president. and i think that when the federal judge in atlanta looks at what mark meadows actually did, he'll come to the same conclusion. mark meadows tried to get the justice department to sue six states to get their votes overturned, even when doj officials were telling him there was no fraud. mark meadows sent those youtube videos and text messages that promoted the big lie. one of the really dumb things he was pushing was that there was this group in atlanta, in italy,

shadowy organization that changed the votes in the u.s. election. and of course, as you said, mark meadows was on that call with the georgia secretary of state when trump begged and threatened for the votes he needed to overturn the election. so joy, i think it's going to be really difficult for meadows to persuade the judge that trying to change the outcome of the election in georgia was part of his official responsibilities as chief of staff. >> and raffensperger testified, so he was the final witness today. i want to read the notes here that we got from court. he testified that the president of the united states has no role in election administration in georgia, accurate. he testified he had resisted meadows' attempts to contact him, saying quote, i don't see what good could come of it. he testified that while it was not unheard of for campaigns to reach out to him, outroach to this extent was extraordinary. he didn't help them out with his testimony today. >> not at all. meadows kept saying he was

trying to help trump. but the president of the united states has no constitutional responsibility regarding federal elections. and remember, meadows, he tried to fight cooperating with the house january 6th commission. then jack smith had to actually invoke a grand jury subpoena and the threat of federal prosecution just to get that interview with meadows. so his testimony today was actually a little risky, even though this was just a preliminary hearing, prosecutors can use everything meadows said against him at trial. and here's the thing, joy. meadows, he's not even a particularly good witness for himself. his testimony today was basically, yes, the president of the united states did ask me to set up a call trying to overturn the election in georgia, but i don't remember a whole lot about the details. there was a lot of i don't know and i don't remember. so i'm not sure that if this

case goes to trial, a jury is going to credit that testimony if meadows takes the stand. >> let's talk about the risks of a trial, because now we know for the calendar we won't get a trump trial before super tuesday, but we will likely because the speedy trial rules, get a trial of some of these other people like meadows. meadows asked for a speedy trial. jeffrey clark, the former doj official, has as well. david schaefer, who is i believe one of the fake electors. and cathy lathem. she was the one who was coffee county's election chair who helped with getting into the voting machines. they have all asked for a speedy trial. let's say those trials happen later on this year. if those people get convicted, any of them, how does that impact trump's trial? he hasn't yet asked for a speedy trial, and he probably won't. how would a conviction of any of those people, especially like a meadows or any of those people impact donald trump? >> it would have a negative impact. the only advantage of them going first is that trump would get to

see what the evidence is and be able to better prepare his defense. that's why prosecutors love to charge all 19 people in the same case in the same trial. but other than that, trump is actually majorly disadvantaged by these other cases going first. we have some defendants here like jeffrey clark and mark meadows trying to move the case to federal court. others like sidney powell and ken chesebro, they claim they want to go to trial right away. prosecutors like rico cases because they allow them to tell this complete story of how the crime went down and bring in all these coconspirators, but this also makes them like complicated, for example, all 19 defendants would be able to cross-examine every witness in the trial if they're all tried at the same time. so joy, this is why this trial is going to be long and

complicated and why fani's prosecution will almost certainly happen after the election. just to be clear on what i think mark meadows' real goal is here. he knows he's likely to lose, but what he's angling for is this jury pool. if the case actually is moved to federal court, the jury pool is much wider. it contains more white people, and more people who live in the suburbs. which i think meadows and some of his codefendants view as a friendlier jury than if it's tried in fulton county. the other big difference is if he's successful in the motion, which again, i don't think he will be, but if he wins, this trial isn't going to be on tv. federal criminal trials aren't televised. if the case goes to trial in fulton county, it's on tv every day. >> it's on tv. and if it's on tv, i think it's good for the country because it will be like a mini version of what will happen with donald trump. we can see the evidence and people who may be skeptical will

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on saturday, a white supremacist walked into a dollar

general store in jacksonville, florida, and murdered three people. 52-year-old angela carr, an uber driver who had dropped off a customer at the store, 19-year-old ajlaguerre, and 29-year-old jerrald gallion, a loving father murdered as he walked into the store. the white supremacist gunman was armed with a glock and an ar-style rifle emblazoned with swastikas to make it clear who he was. earlier in the day, he was asked to leave edward waters university, florida's oldest historically black university, because he refused to identify himself. the shooter was seen putting on a bullet resistant vest and a mask before he left campus and headed to the dollar general. his actions were an intentional public display of hatred in a state where the neonazi movement is flush flourishing in recent years. >> this shooting was racially motivated and he hated black people. he wanted to kill [ bleep ].

that's one and only time i'll use that word. >> jacksonville, florida, is home to nearly 1 million people, about one-third of them black. the city is still coming to terms with its racist past. these murders took place one day before the town was set to remember ax handle saturday, a bloody day on august 27, 1960, when a white mob used baseball bats and ax handles to brutally club peaceful black demonstrators protesting segregation at a downtown lunch counter. police initially stood by. but joined the white mob when the black group began fighting back. florida students will likely never learn about ax handle saturday under governor desantis and his education regime, whose premises are that white students cannot learn anything that might make them uncomfort, and that black students must learn that slavery had its benefits, even if that makes them uncomfortable. and miseducated. that might explain why he got this reception at a memorial vigil for the jacksonville

shooting victims. [ booing ] . >> joining me now is florida state representative angie nixon and bishop william barber, professor and founding director of the center for public theology and public policy at yale duvinity school. thank you both for being here. representative nixon, i want to start with you. you said over the weekend that governor desantis has blood on his hands in regards to this shooting. can you please explain why? >> most definitely. governor ron desantis has blood on his hands because he is the one that lit the match. he fanned the flames. and now, because his poll numbers are dropping, he's trying to extinguish it. at the end of the day, he has spread some hateful rhetoric, he's allowed many of my colleagues to continue to spread hateful rhetoric. he's passed anti-black policies

across the state of florida, and the first bill that he pushed when i came into office in 2020 was hb-1, hate bill 1, the quote unquote antiprotest bill which was in response to the majority peaceful protests of the brutal execution of george floyd. he wanted to silence black people and to quiet us down in an effort to keep us, you know, from saying anything to anyone and to just -- i'm sorry. there's a rally going on. i'm frustrated with everything. but he wants us to feel like this is normal. and it's not right. and we have to do more here in the state of florida to stop this. >> and i recognize absolutely, you have a right to be angry, a right to be overwhelmed with this. i know you're at an anti-racism rally. and bishop barber, you and i talked about this earlier. there is a history of governors,

of southern governors stoking racial hatred and animus, specifically directed at black people, and then the results are reaped in black communities. ax handle saturday is one of those times. it seems to me that desantis has decided being that kind of governor will make him president. your thoughts. >> you're exactly right. he's a failed governor, and many ways, and this is more blood on his hands because he even passed his policies that put -- enable poverty, enable the lack of health care, which we know produces policy, but words of hate, joy, create an atmosphere of hate. it gives kind of a social license to it. and we cannot act like this is new or that desantis is first. and nor can we act like it's just him, because he has some plaque people down there that are participating in the writing of the policies to try to stop black history from being taught. but he's -- he's saying basically, i want to be like george wallace, southern governors and others who pushed

hate. it was the playbook of the southern strategy, richard nixon used it, ronald reagan, bush, trump to a greater degree. whenever this kind of hate and divisive words are the standard, the bible says the power of life and death is in the tongue. so you get the words and then you get the deeds. think about it, the shooter first went to a historically black college university that represents the very thing desantis and others have been saying we have to resist, that is dangerous to us. then he went to a store that targets black communities. we have to look at this and understand that the same thing in the sense was happening in '63. the march on washington was book ended by violence against children in birmingham and killing of children after the march on washington. the sheriff, though, joy, i want to say this, is right to say he hated black people. this man was not an anomaly, not crazy. he was lucid, and that's why yesterday talking with bishop frank reed and others, clergy are planning to announce on

wednesday or thursday a call to repentance and a cease and desist of desantis and others of these actions. the only reason he should are gone to that rally was to get on his knees and repent. we'll have a mass rally on the anniversary of the killing of four girls in birmingham, that's going to be september 16th. we're going to have a whole week of clergy, led by not me and other people, but floridians who are going to say this is a time of repentance and stopping. and lastly, we're going to deliver students, diverse students, cease and desist, to say either cease and desist and stop this and resign, or we must mobilize to send you home because we cannot continue to give the haters the mic and the positions of power that enables them to foster their opinions that end up producing more acts of hatred and murder and killing. we just cannot. >> and representative nixon, amen, representative nixon, the

picture of you has become iconic, you standing not far from the governor. i don't know if we can put it up. there it is, there you are. i think you are everybody. you are all of us in that photo. i want to ask you just what you were thinking. this is your community. you represent this area. these people were your fellow floridians. i wanted to ask you what you were thinking in that moment as you stood there with the governor as he did his campaign photo opwith the victims and the community that was suffering. >> joy, i don't think i can let you know what i was thinking because if i did, i probably would not be re-elected. just the anger and frustration that i was feeling, though, and just -- i just felt like he had a lot of audacity to come there and after he lit the match and fanned the flames, and emboldened the individual. look, at the end of the day, the governor does not care about

black people. he removed, he wiped out several minority access districts, black access districts, congressional access districts in the state of florida. me and representative mccarty led a peaceful sit-in on the house floor to push back against him doing that. unconstitutionally. i was banished to the basement for a while, in the basement with rats, because we have a vindictive governor. he punishes people. he's hurting floridians and he cares more about becoming president, so can you imagine all the things that he's doing in the state of florida, what he would do if he had the power of the president? like, that's absolutely absurd. and it's important for us to go ahead and stop him in his tracks and really highlight the fact that folks are hurting. we have an over9,000 educator shortage here in the state of florida. we have the highest, the highest

here, not only that, but property insurance is going off the roof. and we are facing a hurricane this week, and there are people who are uninsured because they couldn't afford it, because instead of actually helping floridians, they decided to yield a $3 billion bailout to insurance companies. that is who he is, he is bought and paid for. he was not passing bills and appropriations until lobbyists gave him money for his election, like that is what we're dealing with. he does not care about floridians. and then, to just offer up $1.1 million in hbcu that has requested even more than that. you want to give us money after you have blood on your hands. i have a problem with that. we have been requesting money for so long, for so long, but now because your poll numbers are dropping, you want to dish out funds? no, you should have been working to lower the crime rates by

insuring you're addressing this violence and white supremacy. >> very quickly. >> just to take 15 seconds. what she just did connecting the dots is what we must do. and it must be floridians of conscious black and white and red and yellow and everybody. and we must show how this hatred toward all people is fueling violence, it spills over into public policy and we must say we're -- that sister right there just did what we need. if he needs to come anywhere, he needs to come and repent. >> amen. she did do that. amen. angie nixon, thank you for your passion in representing the people of florida. bishop william barber, thank you always, my friend. coming up, vivek ramaswami accuses -- wait for this now. brace yourself. accuses congresswoman ayanna

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ramaswami, blaming anti-racist for racism. >> ayanna pressley is a member of the squad. her words not mine, we don't want any more black faces that don't want to be a black voice. we don't want any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. literally word for word, i'm not putting any words in anybody's mouth. ibram kendi wrote the book how to be an anti-racism. the remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination. so they gaslithe you when you say this stuff, you're just making that critical race theory stuff up. no, these aren't my words. these are the words of the modern grand wizards of the modern kkk. really. >> yeah, you heard that right. two black americans fighting racism are the grand wizards of the modern day kkk. oh, and ramaswami doubled down on those comments.

he also denied the existence of white supremacy in america, one day before white supremacists went on a shooting spree targeting black shoppers in florida. joining me are the two people rom aswaemy dubbed the modern grand wizards of the kkk i'm going to let you respond to vivek ramaswamy first. >> joy, this is another reminder that the extreme gop and their presidential candidates are a clear and present danger. once again, they seek to rewrite history. the ku klux klan is responsible for the tulsa massacre, for the 16 street church bombing and the murder for little girls, and on this date in 1955, the

lynching and mutilation of 14-year-old emmett till. my ancestors and i have a living family members who were terrorized by the ku klux klan. so, this is shameful, it is deeply offensive, and it is dangerous. you know, it is just a sober and a reminder of why we need to be vigilant in the work of confronting and rooting out anti black rhetoric and policies. it is quite literally on the heels of what's happening in jacksonville. a matter of life and death. i served on the house oversight committee for two terms. i am very clear on the threats of organized white supremacy that has been emboldened in recent years and what it looks like. i survived an insurrection when a white supremacist mob sees the capitol seeking to interrupt the peaceful transfer

of power -- confederate flags interrupting nooses on the west lawn of the capitol. so, this is another reminder that the extremist gop and their presidential candidates are a clear and present danger, and their verbal assault on myself and dr. cantwell in no way the third or persuade our efforts. it is simply meant to distract from their hate that they traffic in and their policy violence and they're dangerous rhetoric. >> let me go to you, he went further continuing to talk about you on the meet the press. essentially blamed, he said this, he said he thinks creating race based quotas systems which i think he thinks is affirmative action which isn't, that denied people access to goods or services based on color skin is not the answer to disrupt -- to based on race, and then he

says i'm generally worried we are seeing a new wave of anti black and antisemitic racism as a consequence of these -- he's basically saying anti-racism is the reason for racist incidents. he named you. your thoughts? >> it is a very old white supremacist talking point. white supremacist have been saying for decades that anti racist's code for anti white. what is also ironic is the only reason why we're even talking about him, the only reason why he even has political standing is because he has brown skin, he's attacking black people. that is really his job. it is the job of republican candidates of color to go out to white republicans and say they are not racist and the real racists are the people who are challenging them. so, he is doing his job.

he is feeding their denial when you don't like a servant. >> congresswoman, that is literally what you are saying i mean we have watched clarence thomas behave. he said the borough was not just for black people, it's literally what it was. he serves a very similar purpose. when i heard your quote, that is what you are talking about. you have people as doctor kendi has said who serve a purpose in they themselves are people of color, but they speak only to white audiences. vivek ramaswamy is not talking to black people, he lectured don lemon for the benefit of white voters in the republican party. that is who is attempting to entertain. i do not want to say that's what you are saying, i do want to miss quote you, but is that what you are coming from? >> again, it's a consistent play from their tired playbook to weaponize words. i was speaking about the power and the importance of representation. but, the real weapons here are

their harmful policies, rhetoric, and corrupt supreme court, coconspirators an extremist agenda. i'm going to remain woke, vigilant, and undeterred in the work of undoing the centuries of precise harm that has been done to block america and churning a more equitable and just passed for a restored of justice and one that holds all those accountable from government to industry to our financial services for the promises that were made at the height of this so-called racial reckoning. so, again, i think a recent tragic event and my condolences go out to the entire jacksonville community and all families that were robbed of their loved ones. hateful rhetoric to leads to hateful acts. this is a matter of life and death and again, a reminder of

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