just feel. bad weather going back down you think oh, man, gates in the white house must be doing something great. but when you're a democrat, you can't really call too much attention to. that when you're in the gop, if there was a gop president right now, they will probably be taking the mueller tied at the white house showing where productions going, like one of those debt clock things, it'll probably be barrels of oil. but when you're democrat you can't really do that. >> the only thing in the middle of the road is road kill. it is time we change that sentiment. ben, thank you so much for the us for joining. us and for those of you watching, if any of you can give me the correct spelling of ben's last name, you've got an 11th hour mug coming your way. when you see it, you lose your mind. ben, great to have you on. important reporting. and for you at home, thank you for watching. i wish you all a very good and very safe night. from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thanks for staying up late with

me. i'll see you at the end of tomorrow. tomorrow >> it is official along trump's legal battles in the party primary on a collision course. take a look at the calendar. the first nominating contest, the iowa caucus, is currently scheduled to take place on january the 15th. the same day donald trump is scheduled to be in court for his second civil defamation trial. versus author, e. jean carroll. the first one didn't go so well, if you recall. on march 4th, trump is due back in court for the start of his criminal trial over alleged attempts to overturn the 2020 election. the very next day, march, fifth super tuesday, 15 states are gonna hold their primaries and caucuses for the republican nomination, which means, the majority of the delegates in that republican primary will have already been awarded one day after trump's very first criminal trial gets underway. assuming that holds. less than three weeks later, march 25th, trump's second criminal trial, the one in manhattan, is set to begin. followed by his third criminal

trial, the one about the mar-a-lago documents. that's just two months later. all three of those trials are currently set to happen before the republican national convention in july, when the republican party will have to decide, once and for all, whether to make donald trump their candidate in november. now, none of this, other than the election date, is set in stone. trial dates can change, and political things can change. donald trump is already complaining that the calendar is part of some conspiracy against his candidacy. in fact, yesterday, he posted a social media site, quote, a biased trump hating judge, gave me only a two-month extension, just what our corrupt

government wanted. super tuesday. i will appeal. well, unfortunate for trump, you cannot appeal a judge's ruling in this matter. his lawyers had a chance to raise the issue yesterday in court. in fact, they raised all sorts of issues. they did not mention the trials proximity to super tuesday in their arguments. so, instead, trump's allies in congress have come up with a plan. yesterday, the republican congressman andrew clyde introduced two measures that would, quote, prohibit the use of federal funding for the prosecution of any major presidential candidate prior to the upcoming presidential election on november 5th, 2024. end quote. that is one highly specific piece of legislation. this, of course, comes as house speaker kevin mccarthy is signaling that he plans to launch an impeachment inquiry into president biden, when congress returns next month. those plans gonna work? to blunt the impact of trump's

multiple criminal trials? let's talk about with mary mccord, former united states attorney, for washington d. c.. and a former senior justice department official, she's also co-host of the fantastic and imported, prosecuting donald trump. also with, us symone sanders-townsend, former senior adviser to president biden's 2020 campaign, and the host of symone on msnbc. i'm so grateful to both of you for being with us this evening. mary mccord, let's start with you. the legal stuff, for a lot of reasons, is not set in stone. there are a lot of reasons why a trial could be delayed, the bottom line, is donald trump's attorney asked for the trial the january 6th trial, to be in 2026. and the judge said, you're not getting two years on this. you get a couple months. >> she also invited him to suggest other dates earlier than 2026. he repeatedly refused, suggesting that anything that made mr. trump go to trial before the 2024 election would've been a violation of due process, and would not

entitle him to a fair trial. the fact that this trial date ended up the day before super tuesday, as you indicated near opening, he could've suggested different dates. as you also indicated, there are certainly things, that he possibly could delay. that there are motions, so motions, depending on where mr. trump brings, potentially could be appealable, even on an interlocutory basis. ordinarily, acriminal defendant has a hold on to all the potential objections, and then appeal after there's been a conviction. but there are some exceptions to that. there could also be other things that legitimately, because of factual reasons, or legal reasons, could cause short delays, like some inability of a witness to be available or something like that. but those, i think, would be minimal. i do think, even if there were some sort of interlocutory appeals, we see the courts moving very quickly. we've seen the move very quickly in past issues involving mr. trump. this is so important to our democracy. i think we would see that again.

>> simone, i'm so glad you're here. i really wanted you here, it was kind of stupid why when you hear. you've actually had experience on president campaigns, i want to get your read on this except this presidential campaign is gonna be nothing like anything you've ever worked on. but to the extent that donald trump is juggling to calendars, his election calendar, his primary counter, you know, he doesn't have much of a threat. that debate last week was the one opportunity for somebody to show themselves as a part of donald trump. that really didn't materialize. >> yeah, well, ali, january 15th is when the iowa caucus will take place for the republican primary. if you look at state polling, there has been a little movement in iowa, there's been some movement in new hampshire. i think that's why debates are important. also, these other things, like the legal challenges of former president trump is facing, are very critical and key. let me say this about the calendar when it comes to the primary. yes, march 5th is, in fact, super tuesday. often it's called the s. e. c. primary, because that's what a

number of the states in the south, not exclusively states in the south, there are some other states that are voting on that day, that's when they hold their primaries. yes, that is march 5th. march 4th, donald trump's trial will commence. his trial will be jury selection. prior to march 4th, ali, there are four states, at least three key states, that are gonna vote. iowa, new hampshire, and south carolina. in the republican party primary, there is something called winner takes all. the democratic presidential primary is called proportional representation, thanks to jesse jackson after 1984. proportional representation means that, okay, somebody gets 60% of the vote, somebody gets 30%, somebody gets 10. and then the rest is divided between other folks. everyone will win some percent of delegates. that's the democrats. the republicans do not have proportional representation. that means whoever wins the majority of votes in that state, whether they went 40% or whatever, they get the

delegates. this is a delegates game. so, there is a scenario, if, in fact, donald trump's campaign is doing well, that he has amassed just almost enough delegates to, where by super tuesday, if he does well on super tuesday in a number of states, he could be what we call the presumptive nominee. >> wow. mary mccord, obviously, donald trump has made the argument that this is all election interference, everyone is coming in the way of his campaign. judge chutkan said, when it was a defendant needs to be defended. you have other things you have to clear counter. however, let's talk about what simone just laid out. if that actually happens, the closer donald trump gets to actually being the nominee, does his argument strengthen? can he, as he becomes the nominee, put in some sort of emergency request to say, i'm the nominee. i'm gonna be republican nominee for president. this trial can't continue.

>> i mean, he can put in any request he wants. i don't think that would be a good legal argument. he declared his candidacy, even while he knew that he was under investigation. he has proceeded with his candidacy while he has been indicted. he's trying to create a conflict, so he can make an argument like that. so we can claim that the department of justice is persecuting him, and interfering in the election. remember, these investigations have been going on for a long time now. and there is probable cause, based on the grand jury's return of indictments for all four of the current prosecutions, so, he can try to make some sort of selective prosecution argument, but i think it's gonna fail. there's no basis for. the timing were different, if he declared a candidacy, and was a front runner, and then the department of justice launched a new investigation, brought charges, he could have some arguments about selective prosecution, or vindictive prosecution. but he just doesn't have that here.

this investigation, whatever delays the department of justice may have had in really honing in on mr. trump and appointing jack smith, they've been investigating january 6th an election fraud since january 6th, or really, jenner 20, because mr. trump was still president from january 6th to january 20th. i think that effort would fill. >> symone, the snow that's going on in congress, the andrew clyde stuff, the impeachment of joe biden. even impeachment of joe biden, a whole lot of republicans who don't want that baggage. they don't want that albatross. they might think it's interesting that the far-right republicans talked about this all the time. but when it comes down to an actual impeachment trial, and voting for impeachment, that's problematic. do you think there's any muscle in any of this nonsense of the trying to do in congress, to try to counter donald trump's actual legal woes? >> you know, i feel like maybe the house republicans think that they're some strategic,

you know, they are there, to what they're doing that is in fact going to help donald trump or the republicans in general defeat the democrats come the general election. it's important for us to remember, the folks who really want, for example, the impeachments, if you will, of president biden or the far-right members of the house of representatives in the republican caucus, there's a very small group. they have a large microphone. there are 18 republicans, ali, who currently sit in districts that joe biden won in 2020. those are swing districts. those are districts like new york 19. in the district like nebraska 2. don bacon. don bacon does not want to vote for impeachment. i can guarantee you. >> you two are wonderful, thank you so much for your analysis tonight. mary mccord in symone sanders-townsend, whose own show airs every weekend on saturday and sunday at four pm eastern, right here on msnbc. it is much watched.

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face about this. this is a simple matter that, to most people, should've been sorted out more than two decades ago. the idea that medicare is allowed to negotiate for the price of the drugs, not free drugs nobody's getting it free, nobody forcing anybody to sell anything and the government's not taking over the manufacture of anything. this is the right to negotiate because you're a bulk buyer. >> absolutely, ali, for all the republican rhetoric on inflation, this administration is actually taking action to save americans money. here's what it's gonna mean. for the ten most expensive drugs, for drugs to tackle diabetes, blood thinners, americans now are going to pay less. there's a cap of $2,000 a year on their out-of-pocket costs. and, by the, way this is gonna reduce the deficit, all the republican rhetoric on deficits, they haven't done anything. this president has. medicare is about 800 billion dollars of spending.

of that 20% is pharmaceutical expenditure, it's out of control. the pharmaceutical industry has made billions of dollars of profits, most of it on stock buybacks, ali. by the way, they're spending more on stock buybacks in the last ten years than on research and development. so, it's a red herring that this money is going to innovation. this president is lowering the costs, lowering the deficit, helping the american public. he's delivering. >> you make an interesting point. this is not just possibly and ultimately a saving to people who buy and use those drugs. if i use none of those drugs, the saving, to me, is part of the taxpayer, saving right? the 50 billion dollars plus over ten years? that's at a minimum. that's at the beginning of this list. that's the starting gate for negotiations. >> absolutely. look, from paul ryan, the republicans have been railing against the cost of medicare the cost of deficits. they've done nothing about it. joe biden is the first president who says, okay, let's reduce the cost of medicare. you know how you reduce the cost?

you go after the excessive fees. one of the excessive costs is pharmaceuticals. they're making billions of dollars of profits. it's going to stop buybacks and shareholders. the american people are getting fleeced. and president biden is saying, no. we're gonna stop it. we're gonna negotiate. we're gonna have americans pay the same price as places other countries around the world pay. you know who is for, this? actually donald trump. what's the difference? joe biden actually delivered, donald trump was talking about. >> interesting, in the entire trump administration, a few ideas he had a, like you knew something about? that this was one of the one ones he didn't do anything about. the drug companies don't like this idea. they don't have the ability to say outright, they're not gonna participate. because they're penalties. if a drug maker doesn't negotiate, doesn't participate in good faith in the negotiations, they may have to withdraw all of their drugs from medicare. doesn't mean they can't sell them.

they can sell in the open market. but if you want to sell through medicare, you're gonna have to negotiate. >> you know, what calls me about the big drug companies, they spent $370 million, ali, on lobbying. there are more lobbyists in congress and there were congresspeople. they still failed to kill this legislation. the democratic process worked. they tried their hardest to stop the democratic process. now, they're complaining, after their lobbyist failed for legislation that simply said, the government wants to negotiate for a fair price for the american people? so they can't rip off the american people and add to our deficits and enrich their stock holders? this is why people are so frustrated with the rigged economy. exhibit a, big pharma. and this president is at the guts to take them on, and when he gets former, years he's gonna expand the number of drugs and actually tackle inflation, actually tackle our deficit. >> here's the interesting thing. in most of the world where there is a level of

universality of health care, which doesn't exist in america, america is the only developed country that doesn't actually have certain levels of universality across health care. in many of those countries, it was brought it by conservatives. not by liberals. because it's just more economically efficient. we've got nikki haley out there calling this communism. we've got kathy mcmorris rogers calling it socialist price setting. clear this up for us. nobody's price setting anything. there's no communism, the government isn't controlling anything. it's a negotiation. the same way if you buy lots of paper for your office, you negotiate a price. >> absolutely. this is just the government, which is a large volume buyer saying, give me a good deal. we do this all the time in how we buy things as consumers. the more important point, ali, the health care costs are 20% of our gdp. it's killing us. it's killing working people's wages. it's making it harder to manufacture here. it's pro economic growth to

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founded in the civil rights era with a mission, to become an institution inclusive of students, regardless of race, religion, national origin, or cultural status. despite that history, or maybe because of it, florida governor, ron desantis, has targeted the public liberal arts honors college as part of his war on wokeism. his words, i don't use the word woke. he started by appointing six conservative loyalists to the new college board of trustees. that board then fired the college's president and installed a desantis ally in her place. the governor said the takeover was necessary, because new college had been lacking in true academics. >> it hasn't been successful in the enrollment's down so much because i think people want to see true academics and they want to get rid of some of the political window dressing that seems to accompany all this. >> so, the new board and administration made enrollment priority number one. as of yesterday, the first day

of the fall semester, they had exceeded their enrollment goal by bringing in 300 new students this fall. but they did it largely by turning to athletics. new college has only ever had intramural sports. now, they have six brand new intercollegiate teams, accounting for more than a third of their new students. they even adopted a new mascot for the college, turning the banyan tree, for which the campuses known, into one that new college says is a fierce looking and flexing. the new focus on sports is only one of the changes as the new school year gets underway. alex wagner tonight traveled to new college earlier this year, just as governor desantis's plans were starting to come into focus. earlier this month, we went back for a progress report. >> daniel dupre used to recruit students to new college of florida. until this summer. >> the new leadership, unfortunately created a toxic work environment for myself and my colleagues.

my friends. that's led me to the point of quitting without prospect of a job. >> as part of the push to transform new college, he says admission standards were lowered. >> there's a lot of ethically dubious things i was asked to do. one of them was to admit students who are far below our typical acceptance range. it got to the point i was denying students for good reason, we send that off to a committee. and then their committee, with a higher ups, i would be overruled. >> this year, a large part of the freshman class at new college is comprised of student athletes, many of them baseball players, who are arriving at a school that doesn't have a baseball field for them to play on. but there have been other incentives that have brought a record breaking number of incoming students to the small liberal arts school. though many colleges offer perks to prospective students,

dupre thinks new college has gone too far. >> those students were promised the best housing available, brand-new laptops, as well as a 10,000 dollar scholarship if they would come to the college. to me that's more like bribery than it is incentives. >> i'm a teacher. i'm looking forward to seeing them, and to helping them realize their goals. but it's also fairly clear, from my conversations with students, and from conversations that other faculty members of had, that some of the incoming class think that they can study things that they cannot. some think they can take all their courses online. so, i am concerned that some of the students that have been recruited have been given misleading information about what's possible. >> mariano jimenez, the new head baseball coach, helped recruit a large number of these incoming students. we asked him why did desirable dorm rooms, usually reserved for college seniors, were being given to incoming athletes. >> we wanted our kids to stay,

together we have to practice in the mornings. early. because of that, we want our kids to be able to get up at 5:30 in the morning and have the time to be able to put their blenders on at 5:30. it's very common for athletes to board together at all universities across the country. >> while the incoming class is one of the largest new college has ever seen, students who were already enrolled here have been leaving in droves. ellen benedict is one of them. >> you know, we've talked about you going in doing school somewhere else. your choice, obviously. i'll support you to matter what you do. >> i met ellen and her parents the spring. as they protested the sudden and dramatic changes to new college. ellen had been studying marine biology, but this year, she says she was forced to leave.

>> she logged into her classes, her classes were all gone. there was not one class for marine bio that was being offered. she called the school, and the response was, oh, we don't have the teachers on staff to teach those classes anymore. just go pick something else. she was like what? what? i have no advisor. i have no classes. >> a new board of trustees, approved by governor ron desantis, took over new college in january. since then, nearly 40 faculty members have left the school, including many tenured professors. a new college representative told us, many of those professors had been planning to leave before the board instituted any changes at the school. these are faculty who teach in programs, all across the college, in the natural sciences, social sciences, and humanities. it's going to be hard for the college to continue without the dedication and expertise and investment of time and energy.

of our tenured faculty members. >> i'm very sorry. >> professor amy reid has taught a new college for 28 years. she helped interdisciplinary camp in gender studies, starting in 1995. shortly after governor desantis's takeover, reed told me she was worried. >> are you concerned about the future of the gender studies program i expect or gender studies program to be axed. >> this month at a board of trustees meeting, the process began. >> the motion is to direct the president staff to take the necessary, proper steps, to turn into gender studies program. >> that's one of the only people in this room with an academic training in gender studies. i beg to differ. >> board member christopher -- has been behind many of the changes at new college, despite the fact that he has no formal background in education. he was installed on the board of trustees by governor desantis.

as part of his mission to stop woke in florida schools. in may desantis visited news college to sign three controversial education bills. he was met with protests. >> all of this shows ron desantis who knew colleges, and why we care about what we care about. >> students and president -- was one of the leaders of those protests. >> we don't show you the people affordable not run away. let it show you that the people of florida will rise up. >> we saw some of the protesters out there, i was a little disappointed, i was hoping for more. but you know. >> they were chanting things like, we live here. this is our home. let us learn what we want. later that day, the event closes, and christopher ruffo comes out, with an entourage of police officers surrounding him. and he engages with the crowd. i made my way to the front of the crowd in order to show my face as a representative of the new college population, to show

that we were, angry to show that this wasn't okay for him to do. as a former protest, i spent on the ground. that's the alleged time in which some of that spittle may or may not have hit the shoe of christopher ruffo. >> ruffo filed criminal charges against harrity. facing arrest and mounting legal bills, harrity had a difficult choice to make. >> so, the agreement that was made between myself and christopher ruffo, by way of our legal counsel, was that i would voluntarily withdraw from the school, never to return, and he would drop the charges as filed by the district attorney. >> when asked about the agreement, ruffo said, we are establishing a new standard of civil discourse at new college, and there will be no tolerance for politically motivated violence on campus. harrity is now enrolled in a different college, more than 1000 miles from her home in florida. >> this entire situation has

turned my life upside down. it has been incredibly traumatic. i have been forcibly removed from the place that has been more my home than any other place in the entire world, a place that i've dedicated my entire heart and soul to for two years. i am emotionally distraught, devastated, >> whose school? >> our school. >> while the changes at new college have driven many students to leave, plenty of them don't have that option. those who still need aid will likely have to whether the changes at new college, whatever happens. for her part, tracy farrow is still showing up at board meetings. >> stop with the finger snapping. >> we're allowed to clap and snap. >> no, you're not allowed. >> from who? you? >> she says she standing up for the students who remain at new college, even though her own

child has already left. >> i wanted to go on record that the chair of this board -- >> i mean i walked out to a student who shall remain nameless, crying saying, i just want to kill myself. i'm like, no. this isn't worth it. there are other places. and they can't go anywhere because financially, they can't. so, they're kind of stuck here. >> they want to silence people. and they only want them to hear what they want them to hear. i'm not gonna give up. here's the deal, these parents want their kids back alive and mentally intact. okay? and if they are not, we're gonna hold every single one of them responsible for that. >> when reached for comment, new college of florida did not respond to any of our questions about specific criticisms, instead, they said the school is, quote, reclaiming it stature among students and

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conservatives have been attacking the american education system. they've targeted something they inaccurately call critical race theory, or crt, which is now right-wing code for any mention of race and racism in america. governor ron desantis has turned florida into the model anti crt battleground. in january, his administration rejected a high school advanced placement course on african american studies, citing historical inaccuracies along with the inclusion of queer theory and crt. today, the miami herald reports on florida's other objections. state officials claim that the course contained lessons on slavery that, quote, may lead to a viewpoint of an oppressor versus oppressed based solely on race or ethnicity. end quote. they are also worried the course, quote, may only present one side of this issue, and may not offer any opposing

viewpoints, end quote, of chattel slavery. that's just one example of one states contribution to this nationwide movement to water down the truth of our nation's history and pick up steam. joining us now, nicole hannah jones, a pulitzer prize-winning reporter covering racial injustice for the new york times magazine, and howard university's night chair in race in journalism. also the creator of the landmark project, the 1619 project. which is also been banned from most florida classrooms. nicole has been personally targeted by this conservative, so-called, war on woke. nicole, my friend, good to see you again. >> so good to say, wow, what a powerful and devastating report on what's happening with new college. >> it's just one example, right? your own work with the 1619 project placed the contributions of black americans, for instance, at the center of the country's story. and many conservatives, including the then president of the united states, donald trump, attacked you very specifically for your work. you received personal threats,

a major career opportunity for you was snatched away, although you've done quite well as a result. why? i remember talking to you about this years ago. i don't get mad, i was so amazed at the information you gave me. why does this stuff make people so angry? >> you, know it's such an important question. and watching that report on new college, it just made me think about how segregation is responded to integration, that they would rather destroy public institutions than except a single black child into a college or an elementary school that they thought belonged to white americans. now, we're seeing, i really think, the inheritors of that legacy doing the same thing because they want and believe in this stingy, selfish, small view of america. and want to control how our children think about the

society that we are in. you know, you cannot teach the 1619 project in florida, it's been prohibited by that same department of education. but you can teach videos from prager u. the differences, of, course the 16 19 project was actually written mostly by academic historians. so, when you ask why, it's because teaching black american history is political by definition. what they fear is that if we honestly grapple with the fact that we were founded as a slave holding republic, that many of our founders, believed in ideals of liberty for white men and the enslavement of black people, they're pretty clear when they say we learn the history people will learn to hate america. i don't believe that. i think it's very revealing. they think the truth of this country will make people think poorly of this country. so, they don't want our children to get that understanding. now, you and i, know if you learned about the black freedom

struggle, you find this is an extremely patriotic struggle. to perfect or country where their own ancestors were in slavery. these were people who don't want our children to think they don't want our children to have empathy. and they really want to enact their very sad vision of america and force it upon all of us. >> so many things have happened in the last few years, including the 1619 project and a very invisible killing of george floyd that have brought us to this moment of social progress and reckoning. after such moments, in history, in america, we've seen a backlash. we saw backlash against reconstruction. we saw, as you mentioned, the backlash at the integration of public schools, the passage of the civil rights act, and the election of the first black president. is this going to be another key moment of backlash? i thought this was a passing thing. it's not. it seems to be getting worse with each day. >> absolutely. what we know, progress, forward progress, progressive progress, racial progress, in this country, it's always fought. and that those moments are very

fleeting, and then we see a racist. . look at ron desantis in florida. we can look at sarah huckabee in arkansas, also now banning the teaching of african american ap saying it teaches children hit america. we can look at the supreme court, basically, ignoring the fact that black americans are still on the bottom of every indicator of wellbeing, when it ruled against affirmative action. we're certainly in this period of what i fear. is going to be an extended backlash. and that we, as americans, have to decide what country are going to be. and what are we going to allow to be done in our name. one thing doctor king said those who wish i still seemed to use time much more efficiently than those who wish us well. so, this is, you know, we just had the march on washington. on the day that they marked

that, there was a white supremacist massacre that occurred in jacksonville. so, we've always had these two opposing selves in america. what dr. king also called a schizophrenia about our country. i think we're gonna have to decide who we are gonna be. >> is there a correlation that's easy for you to make between the demonization of black history that we're going through this whitewashing of america's history. and the domestic extremism and the racist killing that we saw in jacksonville? do these things, does one give credit permission structure for the other? >> absolutely. now, to be clear, even before these attacks on teaching accurate american history occured, we were still always seeing racist violence in this country. but certainly, this idea that white americans are under attack, that something is being taken from them, that they are being replaced, feeds into an ideology that can become very dangerous. then people think that, you know, they have to take up arms to protect something that

they're losing. so, i don't think you can discount that this rhetoric is very dangerous. we got into journalism because we know the power of words. and rhetoric can move people to act. it can shape a really false vision of america that leads people to think, it's okay if i kill, because i don't, they're gonna kill me. they're gonna take something for me. i think we're in a very dangerous time right now. >> you are at the forefront of it. nicole. thank you for your bravery. thanks for making us all a lot smarter. there are many more of us who are deeply grateful for the work that you've done than who oppose you. nikole hannah-jones, will it appreciate him. >> thank you so much. >> nicole, by the way, it was the first featured guest on the velshi banned book club, and will be -- velshi banned book club podcast. where we talk about the 1619 project, and why her work is part of the book banning epidemic across this country.

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hurricane delia is expected to make landfall along florida's gulf coast. one day after idalia caused massive flooding in power outages in cuba as a tropical storm. florida residents are bracing

for intense wind speeds and state officials warn the storm surge could be life-threatening. most floridians are under storm warnings and evacuation orders have been issued. 67 counties after barreling through northern florida, hurricane idalia is expected to hit southwest georgia and the eastern carolinas. nbc news meteorologist bill karen's has the latest. given, bill. good evening. all these storms are different, and this one is, a powerful storm heading for an area that's never been hit by a storm of this magnitude. >> we are watching a storm surge in areas far from landfall. even though people aren't going to get the strong winds, there are still areas that get a lot of water. here's the latest from the hurricane center. winds of 205 miles per hour, this confirms that it's gone -- undergone rapid intensification since 5 am this or morning. definition of that is the storm that increases 35 miles per hour in 24 hours. this did it in roughly 15 hours. pretty quickly. that means this thing is still

going to get stronger as we go throughout this evening. the hurricane center has this moving onshore sometime right around 6 to 8 a. m. in the morning. right now, we are targeting an area between tallahassee and cross city. it's located right here in the middle as perry, florida, population of 7000. we don't want anyone to go through the eye of this. it's going to look like a tornado hit. even though you are inland, it looks like a tornado hit with the damaged trees, buildings, and everything else. that's one of the centers we have to watch. it'll be a tropical storm through the south carolina areas in through georgia during the day tomorrow. as far as things we are watching, storm surge is number one, we continue to track the forecast models. this 10 to 15 foot storm surge will be coming in, starting at four a. m. , until 10 am. that's going to be the -- tampa area around 4 to 6 feet high tide around 40 8 am, key time for tampa area. isolated tornadoes, heavy rain, and gusty winds.

we are going to have our hands full with this throughout the overnight hours, especially tomorrow morning. >> a long several hours, bill. thank you very much, as always. stay with msnbc as we continue to monitor the hurricane throughout the night with live coverage as it approaches. the florida coach, that is our show for tonight, it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell, good evening lawrence. >> good evening. you have a great deal of experience with the way these kinds of storms hit the coast. there is a lot to worry about tomorrow morning. >> there is, and it's that storm surge that people don't think about, because it's not as dramatic. this will be a lot of wind. there's going to be a lot of people dealing with more water than they expected, and our thoughts are with them. i hope they stay safe tonight. >> thank you, ali, thank you. >> thank you, lawrence. have a good show. >> one big question looming over donald trump's current defense strategy and criminal cases against him in washington, d.c., and georgia, is how drunk does your lawyer have to be before you stop following his advice? new reporting tonight says the