cause so much damage and so much her in so much loss for so many people? it still blows my mind. >> that's all for this edition of dateline thank you for watching. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning, welcome to a labor day weekend edition of morning joe. for the next two hours, we have got some of the week's top stories for you. so let's dive right in. the federal judge ruled rudy giuliani defamed two election workers in georgia following the 2020 election. that means he is liable for damages, which will be determined in assemble trial. several poll workers, rudy freeman and shaye moss sued giuliani over his baseless claims that he committed electorate flood. they testified to the january

six committee that their lives were turned upside down by those allegations. >> now, i will not even introduce myself by my name anymore. i get nervous when they bump into someone, and that i know in the grocery store who says my name. i am worried about who is listening. i get nervous when i have to give my name for food orders. i am always concerned of who is around me. i lost my name, and i lost my reputation, i've lost my sense of security. >> a lot of threats. wishing death upon me. telling me that i will be in jail with my mother, and saying things like, be glad it is 2020 and not 1920. >> a lot of these threats, and vile comments were racist in nature? >> a lot of that more way says.

a lot of them were just hateful. >> giuliani conceded in the court filing last month that he had made false statements about caitlin and moss. and had produced no evidence in the case, which led to the judge's defamation ruling. they said the ruling brings them one step closer to rebuilding their lives. a spokesperson for giuliani says he has been quote, wrongfully accused. joining us now, former u.s. attorney, msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance. to say that they turned their lives upside down as an understatement. death threats as you heard there from the testimony of the january six committee. this goes back to a video that rudy giuliani claimed publicly showed them passing a usb drive containing votes back and forth, he said that they were passing it, his words, like a vial of cocaine. doug whistle for you there as well. it turned out to be a meant, just passing amid between them. and now, rudy giuliani is

facing the music for what he did. how much trouble is he in here? >> this is a civil case, not a criminal case. that it is just such an overwhelming implication here about the way that the big lie was perpetrated. these are two individual women. it is tough really to think of anything more american than a mother and a daughter working the polls together. working for democracy together. and what happens? rudy giuliani, and then president trump make them the focal points of their allegations that there was voter fraud in georgia in a way that destroys their lives. you can see that devastation and shaye moss. the daughter's face when she testified this notion of losing your name of. no longer feeling sick care. so this will be a monetary judgments. the judge has entered a default judgment, as a result of giuliani's effort to be too keen by half with his discovery strategy, trying to hold out enough to preserve some issues on appeal while trying to slide

by and discovery. all that is left is to describe how much he will have to pay these two women in damages and of course the judge parting shot on the way out the door was to require giuliani to pay their attorneys fees as well. >> so joyce, we know from this that the law does work eventually, it has worked in this case, the judge finds him liable for defamation. but my question to you is the time involved now. these women have already lost a lot, including as you pointed out their reputation and the fear of just going around the town that they live in. what happens to rudy giuliani in terms of the time that he's been given to find some money to pay them whatever the fight, whatever the judge assesses and what will happen to him in terms of the punishment other than the fine? >> sure, that's a legitimate issue here. giuliani, at some point the courts will enter a final order and then giuliani will owe

these women money. he will undoubtedly file a notice of appeal, and try to delay the inevitable. that will mean that he will have to put down an appeal bond, in order to assure that these women will ultimately receive the award that the court has given them, but it could be a matter of additional time here, some folks in this situation would do the right thing, i think we are well past the point where we expect that of rudy giuliani, who has financial difficulties to deal with. but what these two women walk away with, in a very concrete sense is the notion that they have been found to be in the right here. that giuliani was wrong, that he defamed them, and that it may not sound like a lot. this notion of being bright, and of having the court make that determination, but in this sort of a setting. this lets them reclaim their name, rick klain their lives and it is an important step in their recovery. as for giuliani he goes on to

face criminal charges in georgia in connection with the conduct here. we do not know whether he will be in an earlier tranche, or a later tranche for trial. he might try to conclude a guilty plea, or even make an effort to conduct with the governments. that all remains to be seen. but this is the civil part of the case, we learned about yesterday. the criminal part is ongoing. >> that is true, and john, when i asked joyce how much trouble rudy is in. i met financial trouble. he is in a 3 million dollar hole on legal bills, he finally got donald trump to hold hundred thousand dollar late dinner with him at bedminster, to help with his legal defense fund. he is in a bad place right now. is legal defensea very bad plac. and such as steep fall from grace. as we know with america's mayor. joyce, of course one of the things that got rudy in trouble is he is going to be on trial soon enough in fulton county. georgia. but i want to ask you about the headlines for the dea there. fani willis made recently. we know a couple of people who had been charged, sydney powell,

kevin cheeseborough, had as far as speedy trial. she said well let's give everyone a speedy trial. pushing forward, trade maybe even october. for nearly 20 people there, how realistic does that seem to you that something like that could happen. if you had to hazard a guess as to whether this case, which is of course a state case, which often takes a backseat to federal matters. when do you think this will actually go to trial? what is the d.a.'s play here? of course trump and his team are suggesting this is all pure politics. >> right, so the d.a. play here is that she is ready to go. she took those and strung onset they complained about after she said that her indictment was imminent, and she apparently use that time to be prepared to go to trial, if not the minute the indictment dropped, that not very long afterwards. she gives every appearance of being serious and committed to trying this case. but there is some dueling legal principles in place. in georgia, and this is a

little bit of an unusual role, when a defendant makes a request for a speedy trial, they are entitled to that within the next two terms of court. and failure by the district attorney to try the case within those timeless bins that case gets dismissed. so rudy's focus, he's made as a speedy trial request. unless they word revoke them, they would go to trial on this fast timeline. but by the same token the request that everybody be required to go to trial on that same timeline is a little bit unrealistic. some of the defendants will make arguments that they need more time to prepare. the volume of discovery luis as indicated she will be turning over to terabytes of discovery around september 15th. so there will be others, she says that they will meet more time. and she says that they will have the split the baby into at least those two groups. the two people who want to go fast, and the people who want more time. feeling that willis may not get her big show trial with 19 defendants.

>> joyce, can i still on this issue of scheduling and timing, can we broaden it up a little bit? i keep getting asked by people whether we're gonna be in the situation donald trump is convicted, sentenced, behind bars by the time it comes to next year's election. is it? we now have the data from judge chutkan in d.c.. marshall for it. can you run through quickly the prospect of where we could be in november in these cases because even if that case were to go ahead there would be slippage possible still on the march 4th day but clarify that for me. then you have the sentencing stage, then the appeal stage, so what are they realistic possibilities for trump come. and his legal status come november 2024 in the election day? >> this is a really great question because there is always inherent delays in the criminal justice system.

for instance, if trump were to posture. some sort of an issue, or he got an adverse ruling from judge chutkan, and he were able to take an appeal to the court of appeals. that could really impact this march trial setting. and slow things down. that would be in essence, the district judge at the mercy of the court of appeals. now, look at think as a practical matter the courts will be ready to roll quickly if that sort of thing happens. but we are still talking about consequential delay. with the parties given time to file briefs, and the court taking time to make its decision. and even if that doesn't happen, there is always the possibility that pretrial issues, and a witness get sick. there is some other form of delay that drops trial down just a little bit. the government has spent 6 to 8 weeks for its case, we don't know how long the former presidents case, if any would take. but that extends us out several months. and then to your point, if there is a conviction,

sentencing doesn't follow immediately on the heels of the jury's verdict. there are times that it is taken by the probation of his to write what is called a precept its report. they have to gather evidence, put that extensive report together to aid the judge in sentencing. and then following that sentencing proceeding, there is the people who are convicted in this case and washington it would be only trump who's a stand-alone defendant. he would be able to take an appeal. and he would have the opportunity to argue that he should remain free on bond, pending appeal. and if he could satisfy the courts that his appeal was taken for reasons other than just delay. and that he had legitimate arguments, that had a chance of success on appeal. then he would get an appeal bond. and that would wipe off the map any possibility that he would be in custody at the time of the election. n custody at theof course lots s here, four different cases. we still don't not know

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>> republican presidential candidate, former new jersey governor, chris christie, glad to see you. let's get right to delays knows. we've got a trial date set in the election interference case. march 4th, the eve of super tuesday. obviously a very busy day. the eve of that very big super tuesday primary and caucus event. so what is your reaction to the timing of this trial?

>> well look, as you know i served several years as u.s. attorney in the fifth largest office in the country. and we did over 130 public power option cases during my years there. we were 30 and oh. so i understand the way these cases work. this is a relatively straightforward case. just one defendant. it's essentially for charges. and the idea that they have another six months to prepare for trial would be a normal situation in the district of the new jersey. and i think it probably almost, any federal district of any size in the country. and usually, you know, this is the way these cases work. so i'm not surprised by the day. i thought the 2026 requests was ridiculous. and when the or lawyers go in and make requests like that in front of a judge that they payton lay now is just ridiculous. it doesn't curry any favor in the judge in terms of the

seriousness of the arguments to make. so i think it was a bad, strategic mauve. i'm convinced it was driven by the client. not by the lawyers as most of the bad decisions of the trump legal team are driven by. and now they've got a march 4th date. and look, i think the thing for republican voters to think about up there is, this guy is going to be sitting in the courtroom, starting on march 4th for probably 6 to 8 weeks depending upon the length of the defense case. but at least six weeks. every day. not out on the campaign trail making the case against joe biden. which is what republicans should be doing every day. we simply cannot expect that someone who is facing this number of criminal trials, and quite frankly, the conduct that underlies those charges, could be a viable fall election candidate against joe biden. and if we lose to joe biden, republicans need to understand that we're going to be looking

at the supreme court, we're gonna be looking at the end of the filibuster, and a number of other issues that folks like me and the rest of the folks in our party cannot have. so i am in this race because we want someone who can beat joe biden, and on that debate stage wednesday night, i was the only one on the state that has defeated a democratic incumbent in an election. and i did it in a very blue states, being outspent 3 to 1. so i'm the guy that can beat joe biden. and this trial date for donald trump just makes it even clear that he cannot be our nominee. if he is? we're gonna lose the election. >> and it's just one of several trial date next year. we've been showing the calendar. just how busy this does not include the georgia trial, which we dropped somewhere in there. last time you are on we talked about polling that has donald trump still weighing ahead. but we want to talk about state polling, because this morning, aj c has one of them. the national poll. aj she has a new poll out this

morning, georgia, after everything that has gone. and after the mugshot, the, booking everything else. and donald trump still enjoys a 42 point lead over brandeis anticipate a state of georgia. so what convinces you, governor, that that dynamic changes over the next several months. that somehow voters who had stood by donald, trump in some cases intensified the support, as they brought the case that he is a murder, and a victim in all of this. what changes that dynamic? >> i think what you're seeing right now. all of the stuff really in terms of the impact that his conduct and the subsequent charges are going to have on the election. the hypothetical. now people are going to see what they really mean. they're going to mean that a candidate cannot be out there campaigning. he's going to be out there tending to his own, criminal, trial. and federal district courts, in the district of columbia. his old, criminal trial. in manhattan supreme court.

in new york. and those two cases i think, are almost certain to both be tried before the election, even before their convention. i suspect. in this summer of 2024 coming up. and so when those things become real. and let's face it, all of these polls now. i can tell you this. i've been at the jersey shore for a couple of days. nobody is focusing on this election. they are focusing on the end of the summer, there last week of potential vacation, getting their kids ready to start the school year. if they haven't done so already. the debate wednesday was the starting gun in this race, and people are going to start to focus on it this fall. and when they do, republicans are going to realize that nominating donald trump is going to be an enormous gift to the democrats. and the democrats are doing what they're doing because they want donald trump to be the nominee. because they know that they could beat donald trump. and the reason they know they can, is they already have.

ump. and the >> so, governor christit year when this thing really gets going. with the election really gets going. you've tried to make the case, and you're trying to make the case that you are the guy who can make the case against joe biden. so my question to you is, how is what's left of your political party, the remnants of the republican party, how do they, how do you, make the case against joe biden when last week six of the eight candidates for president of the united states, standing alongside you on the stage, indicated that they would vote for him, for trump, even if he were a convicted felon? how do you convince the country that your party is still saying? >> because i did not raise my hands,, mike and the leader of the party sets the tone for the party. the leader of the party writes the hymnal that the rest of the party sings from. and, i'm gonna provide a type

of leadership, first and foremost. that's as the truth matters. the truth matters no matter whether the truth is helpful to, you politically one day, or less helpful another day. the truth matters because the american people are tired of having a government that waste their money. that does not provide results for them. given everything that they are providing to us. in terms of their tax dollars. and i think those things are going to matter. and you know, just in the same way, that donald trump led aspects of the republican party astray because of his own personal conduct, his own self absorption, and his own need to continue to pretend he is president even after he was defeated in 2020. no leadership could take our party in an entirely new direction. so i absolutely believe in the fact that leaders make a difference, leaders don't follow polls, mike, they change them. and that's the kind of leader i tend to be. that's the kind of leader that i was in new jersey for several

years as governor. in a very blue state, where people say i have never heard that in the first place. i was coming on your show back then, you guys remember, and then they said i would never get reelected. and i got reelected with 61% of the vote in a blue state. beating a female opponent would be female voters, with the majority of the hispanic vote in my state. when 29% of the african american vote. that is the kind of coalition that could bring the country together, and get by kind of conservative results we need to get our country back on track. so i just believe leadership matters, it makes a difference, and if i did not, mike, i wouldn't be running for president. >> governor kristi, elise jordan harris. you have chosen to attract donald trump more robust than any other candidate. and most republican consultants unsure, saying, don't do that. republican voters still like donald trump. it is very trump to actually when if you are attacking donald. trump how do you attack and

still make headway in the polls? >> i can tell you this, i have not been in the race nearly three months. yet we've gone from zero to 14% at the latest poll in new hampshire. clearly in second place, ahead of ronda santas. and for it vivek ramaswamy, and third. and with 20 points with donald trump in new hampshire. he's only at 34%. so what matters is the truth. you can say i am attacking donald trump, and i understand that that's the way some people would look at. it but what i'm doing is telling the truth about donald trump. i am not afraid to do so. that's why it did not raise my hand on the stage on wednesday night. because the minimum bar we should have someone to be running for president of the united states, is if they're not indicted or convicted of felonies. let alone, the underlying conduct that is in these classified documents case, the january 6th case. these are acts that are just

beneath the office that he held when he committed those acts when he was president. and the acts that he has committed since he was president were well beneath the bar that we should have for anyone who aspires to be president again. so, what i'm doing is telling the truth to the folks. i am doing it in the way that i have always done. it absolutely looking into the can camera as i look at this morning. and telling people what i believe in my heart, and what i know in my experience as a prosecutor. this guy is in big trouble. he is in big trouble because he did it to himself. and he is inflicting that now on our party, and our country. that is not right, and someone is to stand up against that. i am the one who is doing it, and by the way it now has me in second place in new hampshire at least. after not even three months. so i'm not nearly as pessimistic as some others are. and i know that i could turn that second place in new hampshire, into a win in new hampshire. and when i do, this entire race will be turned on its head. >> coming up, speaker kevin

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in part, impeach the bum or fade into oblivion. let's bring in -- congressman ro khanna of california. congressman, it's good to have you with us. so, the chairman of your committee james comer said previously that in fact, they are getting all the documents that they've asked for from all the organizations they've asked for them from. he's also said, well, we haven't drawn a connection yet between hunter biden and president biden, but we believe there is a lot of smoke. so far, no fire. what is your sense of why they're going through this exercise and where it ends? >> talk about a downshift from a previous segment, where we're talking about the inspiring march on washington and dr. king. and now, the petty politics of the modern house. what we should be doing in the house is talking about legislation for the race issue in jacksonville. what we should be doing in the house is talking about economic costs, childcare costs. instead, the speaker is not focused on the issues that people care about.

i only have one question in my town hall last night on hunter biden, or joe biden, and that's because the american people know the facts. joe biden does not have a single shred of evidence that a single payment to president biden. and donald trump's post reveals everything, it's total politics. because he puts impeached twice, and he's running in 2024. they want to try and bloody up the president for 2024. this is all politics, and has nothing to do either with -- or helping the american public. >> so congressman, while the republicans are focusing on this potential impeachment inquiry, one thing the american people probably do care about is that the federal government stain open. as we just noted, there's not a lot of time to get a derailed done. there's been some momentum to some short term spending bill passed, but what's your sense of where things stand? lot of stuff can change over recess, as you well know. where do you see this going when you guys resume next month? how worried are you that the government can shut down?

>> i'm concerned. and the reality is that the president made a deal with the speaker to avoid the debt default. some of us didn't like the deal. i didn't like the deal. in my view, it had too harsh cuts on social programs that the president made a deal, and now the speaker saying no, that deal is no longer valid. we want additional cuts to programs like social security or medicare. or other housing programs. and that's just not going to fly, he's got a stick to the deal he made with the president. again, the problem is that he's got a caucus that, on his side, that was upset with that deal, and the question is whether he's gonna be able to persuade them. but it's going to be a tricky situation, and like you said, they're only about 11, 12 days to get this done. >> congressman, let's take a little detour from electoral politics and talk about something that i think every single parent around america's concerned about at the moment, and that's childcare on the cost of childcare. there really is a crisis, it's

costing something like $10,000 a year on average for people to look after their children. it's far too much money. you and congresswoman nancy mace of south carolina, the republican, are launching a childcare caucus. what do you think you can do to make childcare more affordable for americans? >> well, according to a republican pollster, 86% of americans believe that the government needs to do something to bring down childcare costs. as you pointed out, it's on average $10,000 for every family. almost 10% of the income and 85% of women say that when they leave a job, it is often because of childcare concerns. so, we need to do a few things. one, we need to provide more government support for childcare. on september 30th, there is a clip, the american rescue plan funding runs out. almost -- childcare senators will run.

a man makes another try to get that funding extended in the short term. in the long run, i believe we should have $10 a day childcare. that would be masks in the cost of 20 $400 a year for families. and that is something that the government should be able to support for childcare providers. >> childcare cliff, something people may not know about. congressman ro khanna of california, thank you so much for being. here >> up next, we read from regina robins, whose recent piece and the washington post in response to last week's racially motivated shooting in florida. nesses both large and small, communities and the people who live and work there grow and thrive. we're proud to call these places home too. they're where we put down roots, and where together, we work to help move everyone's financial goals forward.

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racially motivated attack and jacksonville, florida. on saturday, a gunman shot and killed three black people at $1 general store. police say he left behind a manifesto detailing his explicit hatred for black people. yesterday, a planned event in the city to commemorate the 16th anniversary of the march on washington turned into a protest and a call to and white supremacy. some demonstrators condemned governor ron desantis's so-called anti-woke agenda, suggesting is provoking fear and hate. president biden spoke during a white house event to mark the march on washington anniversary, calling on americans to do more to stop hate. and criticizing lawmakers who push extremist policies. >> we can't let hate prevail. and it's on the rise.

it's not diminishing. silence, i believe, we've all said many times, silence is complicity. and we're not going to remain silent. we have to ask against this hate fueled violence. there is a whole group of extreme people trying to erase history, trying to walk away -- the idea that we're sitting here, i never thought that i'd be president, let alone be president in having the discussion of why books are being banned. in american schools. >> on the latest op-ed in the washington post is titled black people are killed for being black again. eugene writes, quote while got thousands gathered saturday on the national mall to mark the 16th anniversary of the march on washington, a racist white man in jacksonville, florida, killed three african americans for the month of forgivable crime of being african american. florida governor ron desantis said the right things, albeit awkwardly, at a vigil for the dead on sunday night, but the crowd was also right to boo him.

desantis has weakened gun laws in florida, crusade incessantly against wokeness, and has instituted a new curriculum in florida schools that downplays the long history of african americans being targeted precisely because of the race. martin luther king's dream will never be realized until the nation fully confronts and acknowledges its history. and mass shootings will never end until the nation and accessible laws to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of those who would use them to kill. as you're right, jeanne, this is that lethal combination that we've seen way too often in the last several years of explicit hatred and high powered weapons. >> yeah, the explicit hatred is not new in this country. it is the same thing that happened last year in buffalo at the cop supermarket, where ten black people were killed for being black. it's the same thing that happened in 2015, and mother emmanuel church in charleston,, where nine black people were

killed for being black. it's the same thing that happened in 1955, in mississippi, with emmett till, were right around that anniversary. you know, what really got to me was the way that, in florida, in jacksonville, florida, in florida, we're talking about, essentially, whitewashing history. which governor desantis has been doing. and until we acknowledge and know this history, the history of the law and jim crow period, the history of the violence that was committed geranium those decades, against black people in this country, across this country, we're just not going to move forward. and, so it is shameful that there are efforts to, in effect, hide that history. and then, of course, there is a

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the march on washington, the man who organized this whole thing, mr. by ruskin. [applause] >> ladies and gentlemen data. -- that we have affective civil

rights legislation, no compromise, no filibuster, and that it is public accommodation, decent housing, integrated education, and the right to vote. what do you say? [applause] >> that was the architect of the march on washington. civil rights activist buyer ruston. one of the greatest organizers in american history, ruston was the main planner for that famed 1963 march. yet, as an openly gay man in the 1960s, he stayed behind the scenes and largely out of the spotlight. now, his story is being told in the upcoming biopic, ruston, the first feature film from higher ground productions. that, of course, is barack and michelle obama's production

company. and let's take a look at the films trailer, -- >> this new generation is restless and angry. -- isn't opposed to using violence, but must be prepared to receive it. you're right, it's friday night, and i've been called worse. >> you are mere presence will derail the fight for racial justice in this country tend to 15 years. >> on the day that i was born black, i was also born homosexual. >> we are calling for a peaceful march on washington. >> we are committed to the cause. of altering the trajectory of this country towards freedom. >> i believe in freedom. and justice for all. or they do not. >> and joining us now is the films director, george c. wolf. he has won a directors guild

award and five counties. george, thank you so much for being here this morning. it is, of course, the anniversary today. we spend a lot of time this morning talking about it. there are -- people think of that day, they think of martin luther king junior of course. they think of john lewis, but tell us about bayern ruston and why you think this moment, we should all get to know him. two >> fired was, as you said earlier, an astonishing organizer. it's remarkable to think that they planned, initially, 400,000 people to show up and they had a weeks to do it. and instead, 250,000 people showed up. and there was everything there from phones there so reporters could call in stories two water fountains, and all these details you don't think about. but it's one of the reasons the march ran so smoothly. it's also one of the reasons, the theory that sound was so important. and sound is how you turn a crowd into an audience.

and so, he required a very sophisticated down system so that everybody was a part of the same moment. so, every single miraculous detail that you can think of, he covered and then some. >> george, this is all sharpton. i have been blessed to have seen a screening of this film. and it is very well done, it's amazing. >> thank you. >> when i was 16 years old in 1991, i was -- i may, in 1971, i'm sorry -- i kind of was trying to rob 20 years, but i'm not gonna do that. but in 1971, i started my own youth group at the -- and left the bread basket you chapter -- and went to see bayard rustin, who many of the older ministers were shunning even in that light period and 71 because of

the homophobia and all. and i asked him how did you organize? he started telling me about doing this, put me in touch with labor, and i'm a 16-year-old kid. and when i left, i was saying, mr. rustin, think you for your time. >> he said young man, how you gonna start your own group with no money? he gave me my first 500 dollar check, he said give the young men and 500 dollar check. fast forward three years ago, i told -- that rustin he founded the conference and rachel hardwoods joining the stage and said told him the truth, he gave him the check. she's also one of the features in your film. talk about how rachel and bayard worked with labor and really enacted a lot of the things that dr. king and others in the civil rights movement leadership at that time that we remember today. they were like the ones that were the wheels that kept a coalition together of labor and

civil rights and other groups. >> absolutely, and one of the things that's really interesting is that in servile civil rights organizations were cautious about joining in, they engaged labor. so they were able to put into place all of the dynamics that they wouldn't have otherwise. and they form these incredibly intense coalitions. bayard did what he did primarily with a team, like rachel, a team of kids. they were in their late teens and early twenties, and they would work 12, 14 hours a day solving all these problems, making connections. he formed a coalition with a guardians, which was a black paternal organization of police, and train them individually and nonviolence. and those were the primary policing forces that were at play in washington d.c.. so he engaged every single aspect. he convinced mayor wagner to alter the subway schedule so

that it was a rush hour schedule at 6:00 in the morning so that everybody could meet their various buses around the city. so we engage, labor engage the city, he engaged the police, he engaged anybody who we possibly could, just to pull off this phenomenal event. and there were also some fears that violence and other things were going to happen never going to be horrible. and nothing like that occurred. because it was so smooth, so efficient, and so gloriously focused on the agenda, which is all terrain the direction of the country was going, in terms of race. >> george, just changing the subject just a little bit. obviously, i know the directors are -- so great to have you here, so great have some new kind of been released. how much is the strike in hollywood affected the film? >> it's interesting because i'm sitting here talking as opposed to some young, handsome or beautiful actor. instead of me. so, it has had an impact, but

in terms of that respect, but other than that, the films all completely done. we've released the trailer. so we're really excited about sharing it, sharing it with the world. but more so sharing the story of this phenomenal, phenomenal american more than anything else. he changed, he altered this country in such a substantive way. and because of who he was, and because he was unapologetically who was, he was pushed more and more more into the background. but finally, his story is being told. in a really expensive way, and i hope everybody will watch it and see how important it is to honor those who have come before. >> well, you are certainly a handsome enough face to promote. it we really appreciate you being here. we're back in a moment with more of this week's top stories. proven over 90% effective, shingrix is a vaccine used to prevent shingles in adults 50 years and older. shingrix does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions

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special edition of morning joe on this labor day weekend. let's jump right back instead to some of the week's top stories. former president trump officially has pled not guilty and the fulton county election interference case. trump's team internist plea yesterday for the 13 felony charges he faces, including a racketeering and conspiracy. the plea was entered in writing as they filed a waiver to tell the court that he would not appear for next week's schedule arrangement. the former presidents legal team also pushing to separate his case from the other codefendants. the filing argues october 23rd

is not enough time to prepare a defense. that date was set for the speedy trial of codefendant kenneth chesebro. d a fani willis asked a judge last week to said that date for the remainder of the confidence as well. when the trial date officially is set, there will be cameras in the courtroom. that decision confirmed by the judge yesterday. hearings and proceedings will be televised and livestreamed on the court's youtube channel. and so glenn, i'll start with you this morning. let's start with donald trump waving the arraignment, pleading not guilty. i guess no surprise there. but what about severing his case from the others. what do you read into that? >> you, know it's not a surprise, and in virtually every codefendant case, we get motions to sever which are essentially defendants saying that look, judge, i want you to break me out from the pack, and i want a separate trial. they want to separate themselves from the people that they believe might be more

culpable. they don't want evidence spilling over on them in a joint trial. and with respect to donald trump's decision to forgo a personal appearance at his arraignment, i have a feeling that all along them trump has been looking to wage the court and public opinion, not in a court of law. and so we may have made the decision that his opportunities will not be particularly high if he makes another person's appearance in georgia for his arraignment. so he and his lawyers have decided to waive the personal appearance at the arraignment and into a plea of not guilty, and he will wait to see what the court does not with respect to the next in-person status hearing, but with respect to his motion to sever. and i would say willie that most motions to sever are denied. the court will cite things like a judicial economy and efficiency. imagine if you had to have 19

separate trials with witnesses having to testify 19 times. it could go on for years, and that is the sort of preference for a joint trial when defendants are properly joined together in a indictment, but we will have to see what judge mcafee does down in georgia. >> so with that in mind then, can, to be that even kenneth chesebro will get his own trial soon, that's next month we're talking about. he's looking for an october 23rd trial, which the funding will assess shore, we already, let's go ahead and do that. do you think he goes on october 23rd, and as we look at the idea of this getting split up 19 different ways, which as you say, is unlikely to happen, when might donald trump finally have his trial. >> yeah, great question. two different issues with respect to somebody demanding a speedy trial, and committed georgia law, that means the chesebro has to be tried by the end of october.

that is sort of separate apart from a motion to sever. i do think the chesebro will get his speedy trial. sydney powell, who was also made a speedy trial demand, may get patched to gather with chesebro. it is a open question as to how much time judge mcafee will give all of the other defendants, but here's the thing. chesebro and powell have set a bit of a atmospheric precedent. not a legal precedent, and their arguments are now kind of antagonistic to all of the other defendants who will argue, she's, i can't possibly be ready to go to trial in october. the judge i think can rightly observe, while other defendants are already willing and able to go in october, and so why can't you? >> so one of those 19 codefendants, one of donald trump's 18 codefendants in this georgia case, may have well confess a little bit to the crimes that he is accused of

while giving a interview to fox news. former trump lawyer john eastman, he have the infamous eastman memo, appeared to admit to attempting to stop the certification of the 2020 election. this is during a exchange with fox host laura ingraham. >> on january six, what do you want to happen? and how was that historically grounded. in the history of our country, how would that have taken place? how do we understand what would've unfolded and how that would have ultimately been constitutional? >> so, several things. some people had urged the vice president pence simple had power to reject electors who certification was still pending. >> i don't believe, that but go ahead. >> i don't either, and i explicitly told vice president pence in the oval office on

january 4th that even though it was a open issue under the circumstances that we had, i thought it was the weaker argument, and it would be foolish to exercise such power even if he had it. what i recommended, and i said this repeatedly, is that he exceeds the request for more than 100 state legislators in their swing states to give them a week to try to sort out the impact of what everybody acknowledged was illegality and the conduct of the election. >> i think everyone acknowledged it. not everyone acknowledged it. that was the argument was being made, obviously. and are obviously irregularities that everybody had seen, but whether that was -- whether it rose to the level of changing the outcome of the election, again, without a legal proceeding in the states that mattered, the argument ultimately was a difficult one to make. hence, here we are. >> so jean robinson there. you have one of the central players and all of this, a guy that jonathan lemire wrote about a lot in his book, the big lie, who drafted the memo with his theory, with his crack

legal theory that yes, mike pence could flip the election to donald trump, effectively saying yes, that's exactly what i try to do around the election. and by the way, to say that everyone knew that there was something fishy about this election. no no no, they were 65 court cases, only two of them went his way. and also, people saying obviously that there was something going on. they are throwing around these words. it's just not true. it's just not true that he made implicated himself in that interview. >> you're absolutely right, it's just not true. it's certainly not true that everybody acknowledge the problems with the election in fact as we just mentioned. that proposition was tested in court 65 times, and it failed. two men examples of where maybe irregularities were found, but in fact nothing that would've changed the outcome of the election in any state, period.

it just simply did not happen. and so that is a lie. and it just acknowledged that -- was unconstitutional or extraconstitutional. there is no sort of provision in the constitution or in our law that would allow that sort of thing, and so yeah, it sounds to me like it admission of the facts with which he's been charged criminally. and it is a problem. i don't know why these lawyers go on fox news and talk, and criminally charge, and if it had to go out in public and talk about their cases. generally, didn't do themselves in a good and often to themselves harm. and i think that is what he has been doing. >> a little light confession there from john eastman, who of course also during the process in 2020 and emails which

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federal judge in georgia ruled former trump attorney rudy giuliani defamed to federal election workers following the 2020 election. former full workers ruby treatment and sheamus suited giuliani over his baseless claims they committed election fraud. both testified to the january six committee that their lives were turned upside down by those false allegations. >> now i will needs introduce myself by my name anymore. i get nervous when i bump into

someone i know in the grocery store who says my name. i am worried about who is listening. i get nervous when i have to give my name for food orders. i'm always concerned of who is around me. i've lost my name and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. >> a lot of threats wishing death upon me, telling me that i will be in jail with my mother and simple things like, be glad it's 2020 and not 1920. >> where a lot of these threats and vile comments racist in nature? >> a lot of them were racist. a lot of them were just hateful. >> giuliani conceded in a court filing last month that he had made false statements about freeman and moss. yeah sulfate but use any evidence during the discovery

portion of this case. leading to the judges defamation ruling. in a statement, friedman and mossad the ruling brings them one step closer to rebuilding their lives. a spokesperson for giuliani says he has been quote, wrongly accused. let's bring in nbc news justice intelligence correspondent kindle indian and political reporter for the atlanta journal-constitution, greg bluestein. guys, good morning. greg, i'll start with you down there in atlanta. just a reminder to our viewers about the allegations. brilliant giuliani made against these to poll workers, suggesting they were passing some kind of a drive with votes on it between them. turned out that was a breath meant, and that led to things like people coming to homes and their relatives looking for them, trying to push their way into the house, looking for these two people that really giuliani had philonise falsely. >> yeah, well he was absolutely heart wrenching testimony that we just saw, and it just reminded me of going through all of that in 2020. these were not public officials. as bad enough are publicly if

elected officials and high-ranking politicians can target -- be targeted by the sort of vitriol, these were rank in file election staffers. hawks of our democracy. people working in elections offices to make sure that we have timely and accurate election results. they were being accused by rudy giuliani and other trump allies in terms of rudy giuliani and a legislative hearing in the georgia capital of doing something nefarious. but as you mentioned, there was no sort of usb drive. it was a ginger mint that ruby freeman and jay moss were passing to each other. >> and this talk about this case then, can, and the liability now that jury -- rudy giuliani is facing, and he would not produce documents for discoveries. he said the fbi took my phone. why did not he provide that information and what happens from here? what are some of the consequences? d what>> they are huge, willie. and first of all, i should just say that this is such a profound example of the human

impact of these election lies. really the most egregious that we have seen. and we could all hear the racist overtones in the allegations that were made against these women. judge howell here in washington d.c. just decided that rudy giuliani was playing games with the process. he was refusing to engage in what is known as a civil discovery for someone susie, you the judge rules the suit is legitimate, and you have to start turning over documents, including secret financial documents, and he just would not do it, and so finally, she gave an extension after extension, and finally she impose what is really the ultimate penalty. she entered a judgment saying that she was essentially liable for defamation, for civil conspiracy, and for punitive damages. and there were a couple of really interesting lies in here that i want to read to you. she said taking shortcuts to win an election carries risks, even potential criminal liability, bypassing the discovery process carries serious sanctions.

and she also said that donning a cloak of victimization may play well on a public stage to certain audiences, but in the court of law, this has only subverted the normal process of discovery. so the bottom line here is that these women do not have to prove their case anymore. it is proven. it has been established. now there will be a trial about how much money rudy giuliani has to pay them. and the audio is the $90,000 according to the stretch for the legal fees. and so it is a big blow to mr. giuliani. of course it is one of a long line of things that he is facing, including criminal liability. there are reports he has a debt of $3 million in legal fees. so his life essentially is falling apart. he's losing his license to practice law. but just add this to the list of legal woes for rudy giuliani. >> so greg, let's talk about some of those other legal woes. he of course was just indicted hey few days ago about that matter in georgia. -- for a man once known as

america's mayor. talk to us a little bit though about how this matter in georgia, this case here with the finding that he defamed these two election workers, could that impact the criminal trial that he faces also in fulton county? >> yeah, and this is front page news in georgia, because it hits obviously so close to home those allegations. those lies and conspiracy theories that rudy giuliani promoted during three separate hearings, two in-person, one virtual and the georgia state capital and december 2020 are kind of at the root of all of this. he is being accused of being part of this far reaching criminal enterprise that fani willis laid out, the district attorney laid out in her indictment. >> coming up, new polling that may indicate that there is some softness that donald trump's lead in the republican primary. is it just wishful thinking by his opponents, or is there something behind the new numbers. we will dig and straight ahead. ht ahead j.p. morgan wealth management knows it's easy

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that that donald trump as well ahead of his republican primary opponents, there is another new survey out that suggests that former president could be in serious trouble if he is on the ballot in next year's general election. joining us now with an analysis of those numbers is former federal prosecutor accused horry. he is a contributing writer for -- magazine and politico magazine. also with us, political reporter alex eisenstat. its latest reporting is on trump's record-breaking fund raising after is booking him and shot last week, which we will get to in just a moment. but let's start with you. tell us about these poll numbers you are seeing, and what is your analysis. there's more here than what appears to be on the surface. >> yeah, and swiping for today,

mike, there are a few important things to keep in mind. one is that we asked respondents what they want jack smith's federal -- for next november, and we had another robust 50% roughly result saying that he should go to trial before next november. in terms of below the top lines, we are kind of used to the kind of things the trump considered serious crimes and he may be guilty and that sort of thing but we saw some new movement and these pictures. and -- should go to prison if he's convicted in the january six justice department case, which is the highest number that we've seen so far and are small number of surveys. i think that the reaction of independent all of these questions i think both pretty poorly for trump in a general election setting. again, we're seeing a pretty significant out of entrance, and we're seeing the case [inaudible] seriously, and we haven't quite -- learning about, trump and i

think as these cases recede, particular as they go to trial, they're going to be learning more negative things about trump for reelection. >> ankush, that is part of this. that is the case democrats are making. they're saying that we don't need in our campaign to talk about trump's legal issues, because they are going to saturate the media. it's gonna be day in a day out, negative headline, negative headline. next year, he's going to be dashing from courtroom to rally site back to courtroom. and it does independent you are highlighting who are so often those who decide elections, really close elections, and the last few presidential elections have certainly been that. and so is that the theory in the case here is that by this time next year, trump's numbers with independents might be so low were he to be the nominee he would have a very hard time winning in november? >> i mean, that does seem to be the democrats case, and the white house's case. but i think that the major point of caution here is that what our analysis shows that in these cases, these indictments, they're not helping trump --

in a general election setting, and possibly even in the republican primary, but they will be in there on the general election. however, the major caveat here is that if you play considering a head to head challenge between biden trump, this is not only the issue that guides their vote next year. they economists e or policy, if they're concerned about that. and even at the same time, they're seeing some initial signs that there is going to be some drag on trump's numbers. but it's hard to say what will happen between now and next november as voters consider the entire consolation of issues that may be relevant to informing their votes. >> you broke a story about the 7 million dollar, 7.2 million dollar windfall that former president trump got, had. as this develops, do you think every time that there is a major step towards trial, or a major step towards whatever is

going to happen on the calendar in these four cases against him that he is going to continue to have a bump up in fund raising. if so, that fundraising also keeps him in these campaigns. even if he is in the courtroom, that can keep him buying spots on television and social media. in other words, feeling his campaign more and more. if he keeps getting this kind of reaction in terms of fundraising. as we see more developments in his legal -- >> if he was president, been through that question is yes. his campaign has been able to really turn these legal cases into cold hard cash. they have been able to sell these indictments, turn them into merchandise. find ways to appeal to supporters, and get them to open up their wallets and really been able to support for

him, there anger at what they feel is like an unfair legal system. and it is worked in terms of helping trump fill his war chest. if you look at his fundraising over the course of this year, a lot of it, a lot of it has been driven by small donors who want to get behind the president. the former president and help him out. at some of this money is going towards his campaign, as you referenced, running tv ads, et cetera. some of it is also going towards his political action committee, which is paying his legal costs. and so there is a sort of double benefit here for trump. on the one hand, you have help in terms of running a campaign, and on the other hand, you have help in terms of paying your lawyers. >> alex, can we just be clear on the 7 million. this is obviously coming from the trump campaign. i was pretty confident briefly that those numbers are the right numbers? that this is actually what it is? >> that is what they are reporting. we will be able to get a clearer sense of all of the fund raising numbers that the trump campaign has from these

indictments when the next quarterly filings come out. the third quarter filings are at the end of september. >> and we didn't, you know, we saw a big bump and fund raising for him after the new york indictment, the alvin bragg one, but then the next two did not lead to such a big bump in fund raising. is this just you do you think because of the merch that has been around the mugshot or do you think that there is an uptick in a trend here, and we're going to go back to what it was like after alvin bragg? >> well look. the merch played a very significant role and his fundraising windfall, trump's fundraising windfall this past week. just the fact that there was a image or something that could be put on t-shirts and make shots, and coffee mugs. that really spiked. it gave people something to buy and something to purchase. in fact, it's not just the trump campaign that is really seized on this. this mugshot to make money.

you're also seeing other organizations like for example barstool sports, the popular pop culture and sports website, that is basically doing its own t-shirts. so this has really become a big money machine over the past four or five days. you're seeing people really being able to turn this mugshot into fund raising, into money. >> up next, house republicans come to the defense of donald trump in the georgia election interference case. we will explain with the chairs of some key committees are not doing straight ahead on this labor day weekend edition of morning joe. tired muscles and joints were keeping me from my family. now i can be myself again. blue-emu supports healthy muscles and joints. shop our expanded family of products at major online retailers.

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to the defense of donald trump and all of this. in a letter on thursday, judiciary committee chairman jim jordan ordered fulton county district attorney to turn over all communications her office has had with special counsel jack smith's team. the letter reads and part quote, the circumstances surrounding your actions raise serious concerns about whether they are politically motivated. let's bring in attorney josh stanton. he served as counsel at perry law, previously was co director of the criminal practice clinic at vanderbilt law and addition to serving as a public defender in memphis. so mr. stanton, let me ask you a little bit about your piece. in fact i will read front from msnbc.com titled, jim jordan is abusing his power.

fani willis should call his bluff. in, it you write this. if the fani willis request was the first of jordan's misfires, he might be entitled to more benefit of the doubt, but his shenanigans here come on top of a litany of previous dubious deeds and misuse of his office over the years. they call into question his fitness for the office that he holds. willis should call jordan's bluff and remind him of those parts here, and as the supreme court has put, it the national government, as anxious though it may be to vindicate and protect federal rights and federal interests, always endeavors to do so in ways that will not unduly interfere with the legitimate activities of the states, end quote. if it comes to litigation of the courts, we will see through jordan's efforts for the distracting and partisan political theatrics there are. they careful balance of power between the states in the federal government, all that long debated ever since our nation's founding in the decades following, it's not well defined in all but the most extreme circumstances. this is not one. so josh, let me start by asking

you whether d a fani willis has any obligation to respond to these requests from jim jordan, from the oversight committee. does she have any obligation to turn over the documents as she tries to do her job in atlanta? >> well, at the moment she's actually just received a letter from jim jordan. so at the moment, she has not received a subpoena and she would not be under any legal obligation to turn it over even if the subpoena would be enforceable. if she ends up getting a subpoena, i think that the law is clear that she would not need to turn over documents, even under those circumstances. i was a public defender. i'm currently a criminal defense attorney. but i cannot tell you the number of times i wish i could've gone to a federal court or even to congress and said, hey, this is unfair that my client who is innocent, who has done nothing wrong, is being prosecuted here. and it's just the case that state court, the federal government, either federal courts, congress, they just don't have a place to be able to come in and step in and

request documents and try to figure out what is going on ahead of the local prosecutor, whether it is fair or not. >> and josh writes that this is a tactic that jim jordan from the oversight committee use recently with the alvin bragg in the manhattan d.a.'s office in the stormy daniels case. this is a intervention on behalf of donald trump. >> and i think that it is clear and i would like josh to address it, that we are really seeing as they talk about the weaponizing of the justice department with no evidence, they are weaponizing congress from areas that they really have no business even being in. and if you allow that to continue, you would have congress people decide to do their politics by committees summons or subpoenas or by committee inquiries, which really undermines the whole process of law at the state level or even the federal level, josh.

>> right, exactly. basically what this is taking what is really a routine state prosecution that we can view, again, whether that is fair or not, so many state prosecutions against individual defendants, we may have different views about, but really congress has no place to question the individual judgment of an individual prosecutor in an individual case. that might be circumstances where congress could look, at our federal dollars being spent at this district attorney's office throughout the year, throughout many many cases. that might be circumstances where congress has a place to ask, we are civil rights being violated systematically? but it is really inappropriate for a sitting congress person to send a letter and we expect a follow-up subpoena to try to interfere with the individual prosecution. >> up next, democratic member of the foreign relations committee, senator chris coons

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has retaken a key city on the southeastern front of the fighting progress. it's counteroffensive has been gradual and a entrenched russian position. reuters reports that ukrainian forces now on a path towards another key city in the hopes of reaching the sea of azov. if they are successful, it would split russia's military forces into within the country and signal a shift in the dynamics of the war. meanwhile, new video released by russian state controlled broadcaster shows for the first time detained american paul whelan and prism. this is an undated video captured at whelan's prison labor camp chosen working,

eating, interacting with other prisoners. he repeatedly heard telling the crew filming him that he cannot answer their questions or conduct interviews, and that's where just a video. joining us now, democratic senator chris coons of delaware. he's a member of the foreign relations and judiciary committee and chairs an ethics committee. senator coons also serves as national co-chair for president biden's reelection campaign. senator, good morning. it's good to have you back on the show. that video of paul whelan, the context is that estate, video propaganda video of some kind from the russian government. but at least we see him, we don't know when it's from, but what is your sense of where the negotiation is to get him home. >> but these are hard negotiations, and the biden administration is determined to work tirelessly to bring home every american who was unjustly detained overseas. paul whelan certainly is near the top of that list of many americans who are being held in countries around the world. one thing that we are doing in congress that i've introduced a bipartisan bill that is in both

the house incident that would make sure that when americans return from captivity, they don't face unjust fines in fees from the irs for a failure to pay their taxes while they were imprisoned. that actually happened to washington post journalist jason rezaian, who when he returned after more than a year and iranian prism, faced tens of thousands of dollars of irs fines in fees. it seems unimaginable that that is the actual practice, and it requires a change to law for us to make sure that hostages who are returned don't face that. we also have a bipartisan bill to create a national day and flag remembering those americans being held overseas unjustly that has passed the senate and we hope will pass the house later this year. >> senator coons, good morning, that certainly seems like common sense legislation to not make people who are in prison overseas staff to come back and pay and face fines for an

unpaid taxes. but i want to talk to you about where things stand with ukraine's counteroffensive's, as really just noted. some slow progress but progress all the same. but the top is taking and this fighting season with both a muddy season and a harsh winter on the horizon. when you think that things stand, particularly now, the moment of yevgeny prigozhin's death putin only tightening his grip on power. >> look, prigozhin was killed because putin made sure that he exacted which abortion against anyone who challenges him. there are a number of senior russian military officials who have been taken into custody or disappeared and it when i knew that this is just part of the long string of putin's opponents domestic and foreign who have been assassinated who have found their way out of seven storey windows or who have consumed tea that was laced with radioactive materials, or who injected with poison and died. he has retained his control

over russia for more than 20 years by brutally suppressing internal dissent, and prigozhin's effort roughly two months ago to march on moscow, i remind you, was partly caused by this strength of ukraine's opposition to russia's invasion. prigozhin was very critical of russian military leaders for their failures on the battlefield and i will remind you that only wagner was able to make progress in the last year. they took the town of bakhmut at a awesome -- horrible cost of 20,000 dead. and without him and without his leadership, i wonder whether there will be any progress by russian forces. at the same time, ukraine's continued fight fiercely. they've shown great heart and determination and with new training and equipment insisting resources from the west, i am optimistic that the counteroffensive will pick up steam this month and later in this year. >> senator, let's get a couple of minutes talking about china.

aging population, a young population that has vast and many of them unemployed. an economy that seems a little bit wobbly, some of the largest corporations on the world may be on the verge of vacancy. what is going on in china? >> mike, i think you're right that there are significant economic and demographic challenges within china. their population, as we mentioned, is not going to begin to rapidly age and they will no longer have the advantage of having one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, and one of the youngest workforces in the world. increasingly, that will be the case with the continent of africa, not with what was the most populous country on earth in china. and, like if i could, one of president biden's biggest accomplishments on the world stage recently, which did not get the attention it deserved was bringing together the president of south korea, prime minister kishida japan, and at can't david and emerging from

the trilateral retreat with a commitment from these three important democracies right on the doorstep of china in the cases of japan and south korea. to meet annually, to do greater military exercises annually, the deepen our security and economic partnership, it is important that president biden continues to work into lead on the world stage to strengthen and deepen our alliances and the west to confront russia's brutal invasion of ukraine, and the east to make sure that we are on a stronger footing the indo-pacific. the prc under the weight of the data ship of the chinese communist party has continued to struggle economically and xi jinping's leadership on the world stage is increasingly being challenged by economic and demographic developments at home. >> coming up, the biden ministration's new move to reduce the price of prescription drugs.

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senator, good morning, it's good to have you. on so let's talk first of all with some of these drugs are, because so many people do struggle just to pay for the medications to get them through the day. and what exactly it means now that they're open to negotiation with medicare. >> so this is a huge deal, willie. we have been working, and i lead this bill for decades, and finally with president biden's leadership, with aarp taking on the pharmaceutical companies on behalf of 50 million seniors and senior groups, they are going to end their sweetheart deal, farm is, when they're able to get in charge whatever they wanted to, so that the drugs that are first spinouts, it's just the first ten each year. it's going to be more and more drugs on things like a liquids and -- nearly 5 million people are enrolled in medicare taking those drugs. that is for blood the nurse dealing with heart conditions. things like guardians and

ingenue via, which are diabetes drugs. things like -- witches a drug for arthritis and psoriasis. and so it's an incredible game-changer because they have three lobbyist for every member of congress. they have run multi million dollar ad campaigns in order to lock in the prices, and president biden and a group of us in congress, democrats, finally said, that is it. we are taking this on, and that means negotiation just like you have with the va for prices with 50 million seniors in america. >> and so we're talking about drugs that help with diabetes, patients with arthritis, crohn's disease, blood thinners that help break up strokes and heart disease and things like that. these are very critical drugs to so many people. and so how does this work now. if i am some one who is excited to hear these news because i take one of these medications, what changes and how soon? >> so immediately, we want to start seeing negotiations with

the drug companies this year. then there will be an agreed on price. remember, and the u.s., we're paying something like 250% more for a drug crisis than other industrialized nations, and then the prices would take effect in a year or two. now, the insulin cap of $35 a month, that is already taking effect. the 2000 dollar out of pocket limits, something else democrats passed in congress and president biden lead the way on, that is already taking effect, and free vaccines for things like shingles and pneumonia, those are in effect. our next stop of course really is to work on making sure that these prices we are going to see for medicare are being rolled out for the rest of the country by pressure, by passing additional bills. >> senator klobuchar, i would summit perhaps that if you want to take a focus group to get reactions, honest reactions from people, this government

work for you or not, it would be in the prescription line at cbs. i think the replies would be almost enormously negative, and you just indicated that after negotiations with pharma, the drug prices will be adjusted and many of them will be lower, and the price effects will take place in a couple of years i believe you said. my first question is, what took so long? my second question is, why is it going to take another two years to get those prices lower? >> first of all, as i point out, a big game changer, insulin, you're already seeing that right now. remember this. the 35 dollar monthly cap, and now you're starting to see it for people that are younger than medicare age because it is put so much pressure on this major pharmaceutical companies for bringing the prices down. free vaccines? that is happening now. out of pocket limitations? that is happening in 2025. the prices are set as

negotiated prices to take place in 2026, but they could easily start hitting and early as the pressure on the market biden's. and why did it take so long? oh my gosh. three lobbyist for every member of congress from pharmaceutical companies alone. they are around every corner, they are at every cocktail party, and yes, they have exerted undue pressure. and then some of us stood up, including the president united states, joe biden, and said enough is enough. this last year is where we finally reverse the sweetheart deal that was put in place decades ago under a republican president they basically and slated them from any kind of negotiation that you would see in any other agency of the government. and it is not just the seniors who are spending too much money on drugs. it is the taxpayers who are paying for it through medicare and other programs. and it is the taxpayers who are putting their own money into their research. it is a outrage. republicans have resisted it

and resisted it, changing the sweetheart deal, and president biden got it done. >> that does it for us this hour. we hope everyone has a great labor day weekend. coverage continues after a quick break. this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida. lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. consoler and chief, president biden heading to storm ravaged parts of florida today to get a firsthand look at the devastation from hurricane a dahlia. i want to know why the state's governor, ron desantis, won't be there to greet him? we will have a live report on what is going on. trump's tv, the quadruple indicted former president is skipping the cameras for his fourth arraignment. but once the case