and resisted it, changing the sweetheart deal, and president biden got it done. >> that does it for us this hour. we hope everyone has a great labor day weekend. coverage continues after a quick break. this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida. lots of news to cover and lots of questions to answer. consoler and chief, president biden heading to storm ravaged parts of florida today to get a firsthand look at the devastation from hurricane a dahlia. i want to know why the state's governor, ron desantis, won't be there to greet him? we will have a live report on what is going on. trump's tv, the quadruple indicted former president is skipping the cameras for his fourth arraignment. but once the case gets going,

the cameras will continue to roll. they are breaking down all of the cases on his very busy court calendar. and, we ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the loss of a music icon, jimmy buffett, the singer of margaritaville has died. let's take a look at his decades long career, all of this and more, coming up. >> a good saturday morning to you all. i am katie phang. we begin this morning with president biden's trip to florida today to get a look at recovery efforts after hurricane adalja made landfall as a category three storm. the damage estimates could be as high as 20 billion dollars according to moody analytics. the president said he would meet with florida governor, ron desantis today.

in a statement, desantis said the governor does not have plans to meet with biden during his trip. instead, biden will meet with republican senator, rick scott. the response comes days after president biden approved a major disaster declaration for florida and ordered a federal aid to supplement recovery efforts in seven florida counties. nbc's, juan venegas, joins us live from horseshoe beach, florida. guad, good morning. i can see the devastation behind you. first, what more can you tell us about the presidents visit today? and why is governor ron desantis not meeting with biden? >> katie, as you mentioned, president biden was asked if he would meet with the governor. he said yes, and yesterday rhonda santas had also made comments about a possible visit from the president indicating that the logistics required from a visit for the president

would interfere with the recovery process. he did not have plans to meet with the president as you mentioned, indicating that it is about the impact that the presidents visit would have on this recovery process. they are talking about the fact that these hard-hit communities have a lot of debris. right now they're focused on getting all the services and help to the people when the president comes in. of course that does require logistics, vehicles and a lot of interference that the governor said that's the reason why he didn't plan to meet with the president. that's the information we have, katie. >> so, guad, what is the most pressing need for residents as they begin to rebuild and go through the recovery process? >> well this community, horseshoe beach was one of the hardest hit. there is extensive damage

everywhere, as you can see from the homes behind, me they were completely destroyed, this one belonged to tina, this woman spent a lot of time with us, she's in her 80s. she owned a hotel around the corner that is devastated. there's homes like this everywhere. right now, a lot of the residents have returned. they are trying to save any items that they can. some of them looking for personal belongings that they might be able to pull out of the rubble. they are also pushing a lot of this to the side. something we have seen in this community, and we sought in senior key as well, they are trying to push all of the trash and whatever was part of the home to the side so it can be collected. right now a lot of them are telling us they want to have that trucks collected so they can move on with this recovery process. local authorities are saying their priority before picking up all the debris is to restore services. they want to make sure that everyone has power, as they continue with this recovery. but if you look around, and you see the extensive damage, especially to the power

infrastructure, i'm looking around and i see powerlines falling. i see utility poles that are leaning to the side. they have to make all of these repairs before they can bring back cut power and have the services that are much needed in all of these communities, katie. >> guad venegas, thank you so much for talking with us this morning. and you yourself, stay safe. while president biden will come to florida today and be presidential and be an indicted, his top 2024 rival donald trump and did his fourth not guilty plea. this time in the georgia election interference case. the twice impeached, quadruple indicted, one term disgraced ex president notified the court that he would not be appearing in person for his arraignment next week. the judge overseeing the case has ordered all court proceedings to be livestreamed and televised for the world to see. the first trial date in the georgia legal case is set for october 23rd. four former trump attorney and -- kenneth chesebro, after his

demand for a speedy trial, sydney powell is also angling sever his case from those defendants, pushing for an earlier trial date. sailing in a filing quote, respectfully, requiring less than two months preparation time to defend a 98-page indictment, charging 19 defendants, with 41 various charges would violate president trump's federal and state constitutional rights to a fair trial and due process of law. joining me now is joyce vance, msnbc legal analyst, former u.s. attorney in alabama, professor at the university of alabama state of law and the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. you are a brilliant mind, i like to take a deep dive with my friend, thanks for joining us this morning. the motions disappear, let's start with that, it is a motions to sever abundance going on in georgia right now. it is kind of crazy. we just talked about kenneth chesebro trial set for october

23rd. she wants to be able to try them altogether, but chesebro has found a motion to sever. his trial from all of the other codefendants, sydney powell also asking for a speedy trial, she has not given a trial date yet. first question out of the gate, how realistic is it -- because chesebro also wants to be severed from powell. is it going to affect how things proceed with judge mcafee, joyce? i want to envision the logistics of this many cases being severed from each other? >> right, so the bottom line here, katie, is if you don't want to be tried with people you should not commit crimes with them. you don't get to sever your case from codefendants just because you don't like it or in chesebro's case, he says he and sidney powell never exchanged text messages or emails. that's not how this works. if you are part of a conspiracy, the presumption, is your cases should be tried together. although here, it's likely we will have two different groups.

the early group, that wants a speedy trial, and a later group that wants more time to prepare. >> yeah, but, joyce assuming choose burrow gets his wears and doesn't actually get to try his case with sydney powell, which is what he wants,. he doesn't want to be with her. does that mean fani willis has to get up time and time again and prove the case over and over again for each individual trial? >> well, it would and that is one of the reasons that courts don't really look kindly on these repeated requests to sever. there is some legitimate reasons for defendants to sever their cases, katie, for instance, if evidence is admissible against one defendant but not admissible against another. a confession, something of that nature. then cases can be severed following a hearing. but again, that is not the presumption, for exactly the reason that you identified, the burden on the district attorney. it's not efficient forecourt resources. it's just not how our system works. >> how does judge mcafee make

the decision to sever? there is legal standards to be met, but let's talk about the actual process. is there an evidentially are hearing that takes place or is it just oral arguments by the lawyers made by judge mcafee to say that the issues of conflict exist in the cases need to be severed? >> so this is a great question, especially because we know that judge mcafee now will televise every proceeding in this case. this could give us an early glimpse. yes, very often when you've got a severance situation there will be an evidentiary hearing to determine the basis for the severance. but here, where the defendants seem to at least so far -- chesbrough has expressed a preference not be tried with other defendants. that might not even merit a hearing. donald trump has filed a motion for severance. his is a question of timing. it's saying that chesebro is moving too quickly for him. those sorts of petitions, presumably more defendants will file that as well because they

all want to go to trial in october, those could be decided on the moving papers. it will be largely up to the judge. >> so we're going to be back for more with joyce in just a minute. first, we want to cover some of that sad news that was breaking overnight about an american music legend, according to his official website, singer songwriter, jimmy buffett, has died. mmy buffett, has died ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the musician, known for his iconic song, that you're hearing right, now margaritaville, had a career that spanned more than 50 years. other big hits included calm sunday and cheeseburger paradise. have it spent many years on the road during his devoted fans were affectionately called parrot heads. a statement posted to his website and social media said jimmy passed away peacefully on the night of september 1st, surrounded by his family, friends, music and dogs. he lived his life like a song until the very last breath.

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federal office, we -- defeat the states efforts -- to move to federal court. we saw on the filings for meadows, as well as the state of georgia, that in fact because none of it was related to his federal office that he really should not be able to prevail in his attempts to remove. joyce, john to distill that a little bit for our viewers and have a better understanding of what is at stake when it comes to a rico prosecution and a number of acts that the defendant, meadows, is being charged with. >> short, we are down in the weeds, katie. the great thing, maybe the silver lining of this entire era is that people develop a richer understanding of the complexity of our legal system. because this certainly is a very complex point. judge jones did something the judges do pretty routinely when they have unanswered questions in a case, he asked the parties to file supplemental briefs and address those questions. that happened later on in the

week. mark meadows, of course, said absolutely, judge, even if a single one of the over acts in the indictment is something that i did as part of my official job as chief of staff, then that means that the case has to be tried in federal court. overt acts are these more than 100 incidents that fani willis recites in the indictment. saying this is in essence how the coconspirators here out the rico conspiracy. it's not that each of these overt acts is a crime in and of itself, it's that they are simply steps along the way. it is perfectly legal for you or i to look up something on the internet about how to build a bomb. but if we are doing it because we are in a conspiracy to build a bomb and we are going to gather ingredients and do it, then it becomes an overt act. so meadows says, if any of these overt acts were part of my day job, then no dice for the state to prosecute me. phony willis comes back with a very powerful legal indictment.

she says judge, it's not about the individual overt act. because meadows and his codefendants were charged with a rico conspiracy. what the judge has to evaluate and determine in whether the case stays in federal court is whether the conduct of the rico conspiracy was part of meadows official job. once she feels the issue properly, it's fairly easy to see that no, the request for 11,000 odd votes that donald trump needed to win in georgia is not part of the chief of staff's job. that, if anything, is work related to the campaign, not work related to the presidency and the interests of the american people. so willis says, judge, send the case back to state court, that's where it belongs. >> so joyce, we've got four more evidentiary hearings coming out for the other four defendants that are trying to remove -- two federal court. i was there for the meadows hearing, it was evidentiary. mark meadows took an oath under penalty of perjury to sell the truth to judge jones.

because the same thing that will happen to the four other people including jeff clark who wants to remove. how much does this create a situation vis-à-vis their liability, their exposure, if they are sitting there doing these evidentiary hearings where they're testifying, pretty much putting their defenses in front of the state already? >> right, so as a criminal defendant, anytime you testify under oath in advance of trial, it is risky. it is a surprise with meadows. he's represented by a former deputy attorney general, he's got a great team of lawyers working with him. i think it is tough to view this as anything other than a misstep. certainly as parts of the transcript are released, and we see where meadows has been contradictory in some regards, contradictory might even be putting the best possible face on his testimony. that is the peril that defendants in criminal cases expose them selves to when they expose in settings like this. and meadows arguably has the best case of any of the

defendants for removal, because as the chief of staff, he does have extensive duties. he does, as his lawyer said, have to keep the chief of staff hat on even when the president's on personal business. so the fact that meadows has struggled to make out a case for removal bodes poorly for the additional defendants. jeff clark, for instance, who is over at the doj running the environment and national resources division has a tough time saying he had any business whatsoever helping to develop a strategy for doj's to tell the states we are investigating serious fraud in this election. one wonders if there might be some reconsideration by these defendants now that they've seen what has happened in the meadows hearing. if they do take the stand, they will be exposed to the same risk that meadows has exposed himself to. >> joyce vance, thank you so much for getting into those weeds with me. i always appreciate spending time with you. thanks for your knowledge. >> thanks, katie.

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six of them won their party's nomination, pence is pulling the lowest out of all of them comparatively. he is only the third vice president to run against a president he has served under, and he is the first to do so in more than 80 years. more importantly, his choice to defy trump and to certify the real results of the 2020 elections has turned the maga crowd against him. if they were ever really with him. joining me now is olivia troye, former senior adviser to mike pence and former homeland security adviser. olivia, good morning, it's always good to have you on the show. according to the emmerson poll we just show the viewers on the screen, pence did get a small bounce in the polls following the first debate. he still is trailing far far behind trump. is it time for him and the other candidates to take a page out of the chris christie playbook? did he come out swimming -- swinging against donald trump? >> katie, yes. i mean part of the reason that mike pence got a bump after the

debate was the fact that he came out swinging. that was the most aggressive personality we've seen from mike pence in a while, when it comes to being more forceful in terms of where he stands on things and being more forceful about the events of january 6th, more publicly onstage, i think that was part of it. it's whether he can maintain the momentum and continue down the path that i think will make a difference for him. you, know like you said in your opening, you stated that perfectly, it's a reminder that here is the issue. the majority of republican voters right now believe that the 2020 election was stolen. which is disheartening, and so how is a candidate who is front and center in certifying that election and rightly so doing the right thing that day, how is he expecting to gain that support back. ? it is a conundrum of mike pence and he will continue to face it. >> olivia, mike pence is no hero. he did what he was supposed to do on january 6th. he was also one of the candidates that raise their

hand when asked during the debate if they would support donald trump if he was nominated even if he is convicted. so why should americans think that mike pence would actually be able to lead america in defend democracy if he can't even say on a stage where donald trump isn't even there that he won't support donald trump if donald trump is convicted? >> >> i think that is a great question, katie. i think i would ask that to every single person on that stage who raise their hand. because quite frankly, i thought that was the most deplorable moment of the evening. the fact that all of these people have -- who are able to stand there and say, if convicted, they would still support this dangerous individual. that tells you, unfortunately, where the republican party stands right now. this is a crisis of their own making. all of these individuals could have actually made a difference, a very big difference, i believe, in the past couple of years by actually taking a stand publicly and say what

donald trump is saying is not true. they could -- they wobbled on, it at times they went along with it, now here they. are we now you have a whole group of people trying to run for the presidency, trying to balance this, but they're also showing their true colors because they still can't stand up to this man, even though it's the right thing to do. so look, i gift tremendous credit for it to asa hutchins in his hand did not go half, up he didn't waver, he stood there on his own and did not raise his hand. unfortunately, a traditional conservative like him, right now, is not pulling well. likely does not seen a chance. the republican party would be better off pulling with someone like asa hutchinson. but that's not where they are today. that's not who they are. >> so, i want to ask you about asa hutchinson. but i want to pivot for a second and talk to you about something that you personally experienced standing up and talking about what is real and what is true. we know trump and his maga followers lean into threats,

they lean into intimidation. it can make going against the grain, like you've experienced, very isolating and scary. a few days ago you tweeted in part, to anyone else who needs to hear this, they may make you feel like you're completely alone and have no one else, but it's how they operate. we are all out here to assist if you need it. the truth is a powerful thing. i mean, olivia, you wrote that in response to the fact that you -- use all to paris, who is one of the trump employees, he flipped in his cooperating with the federal government in the mar-a-lago case, one of the several criminal cases donald trump is facing. is there a support system for people like yourself and somebody like mr. chivalrous who has distanced himself from the trump affiliated team even though they are undergoing relentless attacks of fear and threats and intimidation? >> i would say yes, but we are private about, it we are behind the scenes. i can tell you there is a community of people who have lived this firsthand who know

how hard this is, a lot of us have given up our entire careers to take a stand. i would say that we are here, we're here to support each other to get through it. and that is partially why i am constantly reminding people that it's not too late to do the right thing. they may make you feel like you have no other option. they may make you feel like they are the only ones we're gonna help you out when your box, and they're gonna pay or legal, bills do your representation for you, as long as you cooperate and do what they consider to be the right thing. i think it's important to remember there are people like cassidy hutchison who have taken a stand and others. so i think, you know, it is, hard i'm not gonna lie to you, katie, you know this. it's hard when you get threats anywhere you about your name out there, showing up at your house, what it does to your family. but the reality is that i can sleep better at night knowing that i'm doing everything i can to do the right thing for our country and everything i can to

support others who and up in situations like this where they feel alone and intimidated and bullied. i implore you and others, when they stick their necks out, we have to have their backs because if people don't start taking a stand and coming forward and they're too scared to cooperate, that is how we continue down this path. i think what, collectively, we are stronger than the one ballyhoo operates like the mob boss who is trying to intimidate all of us. >> olivia troye, thanks for being with us as always. it -- you always speak truth to power and i appreciate you being here. thanks for that. >> thank you for having me. >> of course. >> coming up after the break, generation lockdown. parkland father, fred guttenberg, joins me next on this week's campus shooting at u.n.c. chapel hill. the impact the threat of gun violence is having on our kids education's, and what it is

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charged with first degree murder of a shooting death of an associate professor. following a shooting a student journalist published this cover. powerfully showcasing some of the many real tests sent and received by students in the hours during lockdown. while the circumstances of the shooting remain under investigation, president biden announced one of the biggest attempts in years to regulate the sale of firearms. as a part of last year's bipartisan safer communities act, biden proposed to eliminate gun show loopholes by requiring anyone who deals with firearms for profit to have a federal license in conduct criminal background checks before making a sale. joining me now is fred cutting, bergh whose daughter jaime was killed in the shooting in 2018. he's also the author of american carnage, shattering the myths that fuel gun violence and find the helpers, what 9/11 and parkland taught me about recovery, purpose and hope. fred, my friend, i always love spending time with you.

but this is another hard conversation to have. i want to get your reaction to this week's shooting at u.n.c.. >> how lucky we are that only one person was killed, and how devastating that shooting was because what we saw, which was the text messages that you talked about, but also katie, kids climbing out of windows on second floor, third floor, to avoid what they thought was an inevitable shooting. it does not need to be this way. i've been thinking all week about this and about this fight over what to do. and there are people from the president down, we saw what he's doing this week, and people like me who simply want to stop the next example of this and then there are those on the other side who simply

want to sell the next gun. honestly, katie, i'm so proud to work with the amazing people in this country trying to stop the next one. >> fred, i want to take a look at that drawing unc student newspaper cover. are not sure for viewers got a chance to see it. at the beginning of your interview. it's up on the screen right now. i had a difficult time reading it, fred, you and i talked about how my daughter was in public school, she had an active shooter drills just last week in her public school near miami. but i mean, what are the commonalities you see here? these school shootings, there has been so many, too many, one is too many. what are you seeing when you look at those messages between students and kids to their parents, to their, friends to their loved ones? thinking that this is the end for them? >> we are raising a generation of traumatize kids. when they hear these reports, they have no choice but to take

it seriously and think, it could in fact be me this time. because of how we have now failed over the past 30 years -- listen, what president biden did this week is such a big deal. i hope people are truly understanding it. i don't look at it as an expansion of regulation. i look at it as bringing america up to a place where it needs to be when it comes to background checks. think back to 30 years ago with a brady background check. there was no such thing as an internet. think back to 30 years ago with the brady background check was passed, you didn't have these mega industry driven gun shows. people always say, well, how did he get the gun? well, probably online or through one of these gun shows. closing these loopholes will

save lives. president biden is taking action to do so through this change, it's a big deal. and katie, if i can put a message out to every person listening to this right now, for the next 90 days, the united states, through the department of justice, will be receiving comment on this role. every single american who cares about the images you just showed, you make sure that you reach out and you show your support. >> so, fred, you see -- unc student wrote, quote, we are at the sandy hook generation. we grew up crouching behind desks in pitch black darkness as our teachers barred the doors shut in case a scary person stepped on campus. what is it saying? our students and our teachers still have to live with the fear of school shooters to this day, and that it really compromises their ability to be

in a safe space like a school and to get an education like every child deserves. >> katie, it is why i run american carnage, i think back to sandy hook, that is such a horrible week text to read because it's true. after sandy hook, the nra response, i think it was five days after, was with a sentence that has become part of culture now but it never existed before them, they said, and this was the response to sandy hook, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. they turn sandy hook into a gun sales bonanza. the gun lobby, the gun industry, because of their response to sandy hook, partially made that tweet that you just read true. we allow this to happen, but it does not need to continue this way. we listen, we are not going to stop gun violence in america,

there's too many guns out there, but we can reduce the gun violence. we can reduce the instances of gun violence and we, as a country, better take every step to do so or the next time it's gonna be someone you love. >> fred guttenberg, i always appreciate you taking the time to be with us and i know you've walked a journey that none of us could ever imagine. so thank you for always having the courage to speak up to protect all of our children, including your son, and to make sure that the future is celebrate one for our kids. i appreciate you. >> thanks, katie. >> and, coming up next, someone who was also going to fight for our children, the candidate, florida has not seen a democrat when a eunice senate rate in more than a decade. we've got former democratic congresswoman and chris candidate for u.s. senate, debbie mucarsel powell, why she's the one to take on republican rick scott. you're watching msnbc. you're watching msnbc. for softer clothes that are gentle on your skin,

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look, the first question, why rick scott of all people? and why? now >> look, katie, i've been living in this state for decades now and i experienced the attacks on our freedoms by rick scott when he was governor. i came here when i was 14, my mother brought us four opportunities, knowing that in this country, no matter who you are, where you come, from you can make it. that's exactly what happened. this community sent me in 2018, if you remember, as the first south american woman to serve in congress. that was incredible. they did that because they needed a change. that's exactly what's happening here, our democracy is at stake, rick scott is a fraud. florida families know that. he is someone who is trying to raise taxes on middle class families. he wrote the plan to pretty much and medicare and social security. he has become such an extremist, supporting the most extreme abortion ban here in our state and, as a mother of two daughters, i will not stand for

that. >> debbie, let's also talk about gun violence, as you saw, fred guttenberg was just on. it's always a heartbreaking conversation to have with him and yet inspiring at the same time because he does not relent. he just keeps on fighting for my little girl and all children. but you yourself had been personally touched by gun violence and loss. explain that and why you think it's a big pillar for what your campaign platform is. >> as you know, katie, it is personal for me. i lost my father to gun violence. i've been working on this issue for years. and i met fred after the devastating shooting in parkland. and it is one of the reasons why i went to congress. when i was in congress we were able, in the, house to pass the first piece of legislation to tackle gun violence, which is the universal background checks. and what we're seeing is this has become an everyday occurrence. and when i saw the shooting just to share something personal with you, i had just left my son in college in north

carolina. we had just experienced this hate filled crime here in jacksonville on sunday. on monday it woke up to the news that there was a shooting at u.n.c., my son is in north carolina. it was a difficult day. for survivors, for, fret for so many parents have lost their children to gun violence, it is a triggering moment. when you see those images of children who are jumping out of the window, it is completely unacceptable that this country is doing nothing. it is a moral failure in our government. it is something that is going to drive me and everything at that i do want to get to the senate because i know that i'm going to beat rick scott in 24. it is something that needs action by everyone. this country is exhausted, our children see that. they feel, it they are growing up with trauma. and it really needs to be the number one priority for anyone that is representing communities in florida and across the nation. >> and you're going to d.c. to serve in the senate on behalf of the state of florida, it would not be the first time you have been in d.c..

you mentioned briefly that you served as a congresswoman and there was legislation, stuff that was done under your tenure there. so elaborate more about why you think putting your focus and your energy on a nationwide level is actually making more sense than doing something locally in florida. >> i realized i've been working here for over 20 years. i've worked as the associate dean at the medical school trying to expand access to health. care this was actually under governor, at the time, governor scott, who was making cuts to funding for public education, health care, this is a man who has used the power of his office to enrich himself. i realized that i did to make a greater impact and it was in d.c., nationally. it was to help my district, but also all americans get better quality health care. that's one of the reasons why want to go back to d.c.. i think for the families, whether the living in south florida or north florida, the issues that they're facing are really challenging. as we are seeing, the inflation rate is going down in the rest

of the country, we are facing a rising cost. look at what just happened with hurricane idalia. we are facing an insurance crisis. families in florida can't afford to live. here that is because of the failure of scott and the current governor. we need to do something about. it we have had enough of politicians putting those self interest before the interest of florida families. i am ready to do so much when i get. there i wrote a bill to expand medicare coverage just to give you an example, because of the experience that i had dealing with health care. my mother receives lifesaving care because of -- i'm very much ready to go and do something for every floridian in washington. >> because you want to go into everything -- every floridian, you mentioned rick scott, and our governor, ron desantis, who is m.i.a. as he tries to go and win the gop nomination for presidency. do you think there's a risk for rick scott because he's so closely affiliated with ron

desantis think about the rhonda santas does in the polls? you think there's a risk for rick scott, guilt by association? if rhonda scent is fails that actually you are going to be the beneficiary of that? >> katie, we don't need to worry about what happens with desantis, i have to tell you, floridians here know who rick scott's. they know that he is someone that, as the ceo of a health care company, you oversaw the largest medicare fraud in the history of this country. when he was governor, he made significant cuts to mental health care, to health care programs, public education, he is someone that supports a national federal abortion ban. he supports this extreme ban on abortion. he has been attacking our rights every single day. so i don't think we need to worry about what's going to happen at the top of the ticket, to tell you the truth. he is extremely vulnerable and he knows that. that is why we're seeing him be such an opportunist lately, so if we worked together in the states, if we are working

towards a common ground of making sure that we put people that are going to put partisan politics aside. and this is really important, people are tired of the polarization in this nation. i'm tired of it, katie. i want people to come together, work, together and really find solutions to these challenges, including the affordability crisis that we are facing in this state. so i don't need to worry so much about what's going to happen at the top of the ticket. i'm worried about making sure they get the senate in 24. >> well i'm grateful that you took the time to come and be with us. i'm looking forward to seeing what happens and for those of you out, there this is senate candidate, debbie mucarsel-powell win, thank you. we reached out to rick scott's office for an appearance on the show and have not yet heard back. but i do want to thank you all for joining me this morning. i'll be back tomorrow where i will welcome white house chief domestic policy adviser, neera tanden, to go inside the biden agenda and the white house's latest move to make lifesaving

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