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to florida to survey damage from hurricane ida leah. the president will meet with survivors and officials on the ground. one person the president does not have plans to meet with is florida governor, ron desantis. the governor's office says in these rural communities, and so soon after impact, the security preparations alone, going to set up such a meeting with shut down ongoing recovery efforts. earlier on nbc, fema administrator, deanna criswell, responding. >> when i was on the ground and traveling with the governor on thursday, we went to some of the very remote and coastal communities that were impacted. access is very limited. that's why the governor's team, and my team, we mutually agreed upon live oak as an area that is already starting the recovery. the majority of the power is back online. there are no roads that are closed. but there are people that are hurting there too. >> brand-new national wall street journal polls shows donald trump, despite four

indictments and missing the debate, with a very big lead of the gop primary. 59% of gop voters say they would support the former president. ron desantis is way behind in second place. with 13%. in that same poll in a head to head match rather, excluding other candidates, trump and biden are tied at 46% with 8% undecided. also new today, house speaker kevin mccarthy now says an impeachment inquiry against president biden is a serious matter. it says house republicans will not take it lightly. the speaker told breitbart, that's why, if we move forward with an impeachment inquiry, it whittaker through a vote on the floor of the people's house. those comments come as the new york times reports, mccarthy is trying to leverage impeachment to avoid a government shutdown. earlier on msnbc, congresswoman becca balint, gave new reaction to those efforts. >> he's trying to use this as leverage, because he knows the extremists in the conference

are in charge. marjorie taylor greene and others like her are the ones driving the train. >> we'll have more on that later. now, back to the breaking news. the president and first lady soon landing in florida, will they will survey the damage from hurricane idalia. nbc's guad venegas is joining us from live oak, florida. one of the areas hardest hit. guad, welcome on the saturday. i know yesterday, we are talking, you mentioned dirty water, massive numbers of mosquitoes and other issues beyond the cleanup effort. how about today, what do you see? >> alex, we're seeing residents that are still cleaning up their properties, trying to take away a lot of the heavy items. that's been an issue for a lot of the residents when they come back, there's heavy items either on top of the house in the roof, or in certain parts where they can't clear it out of the way. they're gonna have to wait to get some help. they're doing whatever it is that they can. we've been in different communities throughout the last few days. yesterday, we are in horseshoe beach, one of the hardest hit areas, we spoke to a lot of the

residents there. who are coming in, doing what they can, which by the, way they're still waiting for power in that area. which is very necessary. authorities are focusing on the power. let's hear from some of the residents there, that are doing their own cleanup on their property. >> it was heartbreaking. when you come here for vacation, it's beautiful. and you come here now, it's heartbreaking. >> i thought of the house didn't blow away, it'll probably be all right. but i knew everything i had downstairs, there were two big sheds. there is one of them, the other ones the next block over. but will rebuild. >> no, alex, horseshoe beach is one as a remote community. one road, in one road out. that's an example of a place that would be disrupted, as the governor's office mentioned, with a visit from the president. the president isn't going. there he's coming here to live oak. a much larger community. wider streets.

the streets have been cleared, the roads that come in and out. i want to show you this house behind me. this is what residents are still dealing with. steven rose lives in this house here in live oak. this is the time where the president coming. you can see that they have part of a tree over their house. they've been trying to get any items out of the house that they can, stephen was able to rescue some equipment, he's a diver. able to get some of that very necessary equipment. but they're still waiting, the first thing they need is help to remove that tree. they told me, they're waiting for some help from fema. they already went and got quoted just to get that tree off the roof, it's gonna be about 20 $500. then it would be left on the side of the house. they within after figured how to remove it. that's what they're dealing with. it's expensive. they need machinery. this is just one example of a home that was damaged here in live oak. as you mentioned earlier, they've already begun the cleanup effort in this community. this is where the president is gonna be coming. he's gonna be touring the area. this is what he's gonna see.

of course, fema is working to get that help out here as soon as possible. again, the local authorities tell us, right now, their priority is to get the power and all the services back up, for all of the communities affected. alex? >> i mean, what a mess behind. you may i ask, is the president coming directly where you are there in live oak? is he expected there? >> we don't know exactly what areas he's gonna go to. we know he's coming to this town. we've also been told, he's gonna get an aerial tour of the area. the specifics of which holmes he's going to go to, we don't know. this is just one of the homes that's nearby the command center down the road that we came to, we spoke to the owners who told some of the damage. this is one of the examples of the type of damage that they have here. we don't know the exact location of the homes that the president could be visiting. >> okay, guad, we know you keep us up to date on that. thank you. in the meantime, today's other big headline we have, a spokesperson for donald trump saying, he will be at his

bedminster, new jersey residents next wednesday, not in a courtroom. here is the sharpie signature that confirms that. trump and 11 of his codefendants have entered pleas of not guilty to racketeering and conspiracy charges related to attempts to overturn georgia's 2020 election results. some have also waved their arraignment appearances. joining me right now here in studio, hugo lowell, political investigations reporter at the guardian, as well as timothy hayfield, there are remote. the former u.s. attorney for the western district of virginia. and the former chief investigative counsel to the house january 6th select committee. guys, i'm haven't have you both here to talk about this. okay, to be clear. president trump does not appear on wednesday in court, right? he's expected to have televised arraignment, that is gonna be televised. he's waved all of that. are any of these other defendants going to appear in court? what are the expectations? >> yes, trump entered his not guilty plea on thursday, morning he's not gonna be appearing on that because he

scheduled from 9:30. and his team tells me he just and want to get up at 6 am. and go to atlanta. that was what driving trump's decision. there are other codefendants in the rico case that also pleaded not guilty by a court filing, which is what you can do in georgia. we're still waiting on about a people, whether or not they're going to be appearing in person, if they're gonna be finding a waiver as well. it could be by wednesday, everyone is already pleaded not guilty. >> are you saying, did any of your context there in trump world, they suggest the president was willing to appear, or not for an early morning time slot? >> i, mean there is some suggestion, some discussion, according to our reporting, about what trump could do if he were to go. discussion about maybe we could hold a news conference. or some sort of event to get media coverage, which as you know, their primary objective. but i think the lack of feasibility there, plus the fact the trump simply doesn't want to get up in the morning, is the major driver. >> got you.

mark meadows testify this week, arguing to his trial to federal court, claiming immunity as a federal officer. fani willis says, helping trump overturn the election result was not part of his official duties. tim, either way, this decision is gonna set some sort of chief of staff president, right? after the arguments this week, including meadows testimony. is there a sense where this trial will land? >> yeah, it's hard to say. alex, there's not a lot of precedent on this federal removal statute it hasn't been invoked very often, it's very rare that senior federal officials are prosecuted for things that they did well in office. look, meadows has a very broad view of what the chief of staff's job entails. he, essentially, argued during this hearing, through council, everything. that he did was pursuant to his official responsibility as chief of staff. the response to that is a lot of the activity that is alleged

in this indictment involved elections, which is a core state function. federal government is very limited role with respect to the conduct of elections. or it was political. it was meant to help the president's reelection campaign, or his attempt to somehow undercut the transfer of power. that is beyond the scope. this is funny willis's argument of the chief of staff's official responsibility. where the judge comes out on this, unclear. i think judges that have evaluated this in the context of privilege have ruled against meadows and others. it's a very same question that was at issue when he, essentially, objected to testifying in the grand jury. or providing any information on executive privilege grounds. he said, look, all this is protected by my executive privilege. it was done pursuant to my official responsibility. chief judge in washington said, no, this is beyond the scope of your employment. you have to provide testimony and provide information.

i think it's likely the judge does that here. again, not a lot of precedent to guide his decision. >> yeah, absolutely. okay, let's take a look at the calendar together now, hugo, as we check the critical timeline here for donald trump. first up, we have judge tanya chutkan, who is at the federal election trial to start much fourth. that's the day before super tuesday. that is the same day that fani willis had wanted. you have the new york hush money case, that may have to slide. well we have the classified documents case, that is still set for may. will the jack smith election case land on march 4th? or is it going to be pushed back? is there enough time, realistically, for the defense to properly prepare? >> well, the judge's contention is, yes. because a lot of these issues are not novel, a lot of the discovery came from trump's side. trump has seen all of the materials, because not least because of the january 6th committee, how it extends the hearings last year. and trump watched all of them.

so, i think the primary issue is going to be whether the pretrial motions in any of these cases start pushing -- the cow on the back. we expect in the classified documents case for that to be an issue. it's less clear in the federal january 6th case, you know, i think judge chutkan has showed that she is keen to do a quick trial schedule. she has previously said, right, if trump makes inflammatory remarks, tries to poison the jury pool, tries to take steps, that would cause the trial to be an issue. she will move the trial date up. it may go both ways. >> okay. tim, trump's team has protested the 12.8 million documents turnover in discovery, in addition to electronic recordings and other files. the prosecutors are saying, to hugo's point, much of this material is publicly available, or at least known to trump. having come from his 2020 campaign, also from his own political action committee, even if it's true, tim, is it a legally viable argument?

how much do prosecutors have an advantage? because the january 6th committee already laid out a case. >> yeah, there's no question that the prosecutors have an advantage this early. because they have developed this evidence before the grand jury. yes, alex, importantly they had a very sound foundation for their investigation led by the the president was there. when all of these a occurred, in much of the discovery, as hugo just pointed out, was his statement, things obtained that he was already aware of. so, the number of documents really a false metric here. 12.8 million whatever it is. if you look at what the substance of that is, the vast majority of it was known to president trump. the new stuff will be what witness witnesses have said. to the extent the government wants to move this trial forward, my guess is, they're leaning forward and providing

pretty fulsome discovery about what witnesses have told the grand jury, and have told them. that is the information that is most useful to the defense. more they show their cards, the more they provide that information, the more unlikely they will be to have this trial in march. judge chutkan's going to hold this to a pretty aggressive schedule. all those are the dates that you showed on the calendar don't really matter to her. her focus is on this case, given the defense of opportunity to prepare thoroughly. also, there's a public interest in the speedy trial. only made more urgent by the president's continued commentary about the case publicly. that makes it more >> likely. on terms of that, we know that kenneth chesebro, he was the one who requested a speedy trial, seven weeks now on october 23rd, he also filed that motion to an mouth -- unmask 30 unindicted coconspirators in the georgia indictment. is that, first of all, realistic trial date? october 23rd? and just fani willis, does she

want to attach all these other defendants were seeing on the screen to that trial date? and that includes donald trump. >> the meta once all of these coconspirators to be tried together, because that's beneficial from the prosecutions perspective, right? part of the idea, especially in georgia with the rico statute is that by charging a large number of people, and we saw this in the -- case, also prosecuted, if you charge of these people, the likelihood of all of them going to trial is low. a lot of them will peter out, and then even flip kind of the senior people. there are part of a conspiracy. and that is the idea here too. if you talk to people inside the office that is what they are expecting and not expecting zero and go to trial. but from ten chesebro's perspective and -- paul's perspective, people who want to go to trial quickly, they don't actually want to be tried with any of these people because the contention is that if i'm associated with them in the courtroom with the jury, they might see, oh, these two

together, they are conspiring, and will bring back a guilty conviction for both of them. >> very interesting. you go into, you guys both please stay with me, because we're gonna discuss some efforts across several states to keep donald trump entirely off the ballot is in the 14th amendment argument. it is intriguing one. so we are going to discuss it. and will that works the big question? but first we have some very sad news to share. jimmy buffett, the tropical island rocker behind that hit song margaritaville has died. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> well julie profit drew millions of devoted fans, the parent heads, with his folksy songs of easy iliff,-ing sipping cocktails and sandy beach as, margarita ville rather inspired restaurants and resorts. a broadway musical that helped make him a billionaire. his family said that he passed away peacefully on the night of september 1st surrounded by his family, friends, music, and

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capital was secured by capitol police, that contributes to trump quote aiding or giving comfort to insurrection. and under the 14th amendment, that can be a basis for disqualifying trump. whether or not it is successful it will be interesting, because of course trump is in charge federally with the statute. he's been charged with obstruction of official proceeding. conspiracy to defraud, but he's not been charged with conspiring to incite insurrection or seditious conspiracy. >> and so having that point being made, tim, the, given the evidence uncovered by your committee, do you see a nexus there? are you surprised that no prosecutor has gone there and charged him with insurrection? and could these efforts work? >> yeah, look. very hard to tell. again, alex, what we are talking one of the previous segment with meadows removal, a lot of precedent here.

lawyers and judges are guided by president, and section three of the 14th amendment, we just really don't have a lot of interpretation of what aid and comfort to an insurrection actually means. absolutely, there is a factual argument or a basis based on the investigation that we conducted and even more that is been generated by the special counsel and the new dea that the president gave aid and comfort to a group of people who were attempting to create a insurrection against the united states government at the capitol. and there is a theory there that because of the 14th amendment, he is ineligible to serve. the problem is that there is really -- it's not the question of whether it's self executing, one of the standard a judge must apply. these are private plaintiffs on behalf of voters in the states that are seeking to invoke and get adjust to basically say, i find as a matter of fact that there was in comfort to an insurrection, and therefore i'm not allowing this person to be on the ballot in this state.

very hard to handicap, because again, we just don't have a lot of president as to what this means. >> trump will supply that motion to sever his case from others. those that are requesting a speedy trial, others have been the same. two defendants have a right to do that, hugo, and how much does this complicate fani willis's efforts? fan>> you can do a motion to sever. if they think, for instance, and this is trump's contention, that if being tried alongside codefendants is going to be prejudicial to you because there might be negative inferences by jury, you could absolutely make a motion to sever. whether not is going to be successful, again, but i think this is also a point from trump's legal team that this is another emotion that he can file that will delay the process. trump's overarching strategy is to delay. he can push it to the election, even beyond, and that is going to be's preference. and with this motion to sever, that eats up more time. if they can litigate this for

weeks and months, that is going to eat up the time. >> and so tim, i want to play some of what we heard from johnny. he is the conservative lawyer who wrote a memo laying out how mike pence can stop the counting of electoral votes. let's take a watch. >> on january six, what did you want to happen? >> what i recommended, and i've said this repeatedly, is that he exceeded to requests for more than 100 state legislators in their swing states to give them a week to try and sort out the impact of what everybody acknowledged was illegality and the conduct of the election. >> so obviously, he was investigated by the january six committee. why would a lawyer plead his case on television. i mean, did he say anything that could potentially provide fodder for the prosecution there? >> yeah, it really is confusing as to why now a charge criminal defendant goes on television and provides a detailed account of what his defense will be, or frankly lack of defense,

because again, the problem with john eastman just said there to lower ingram, everyone acknowledged that there was illegality at the election. that is just false. there is just been no evidence. there wasn't been and has not been since that would provide a factual foundation for questioning a legitimately certified elector. and then on the law, we uncover emails or professor eastman himself in for the election said, i don't think that this independent state legislature theory is valuable in even on january six, in an email to greg jacob, mike pence's counsel acknowledges that what he's asking the vice president to do would be illegal. a violation of the electoral -- answer he continues to double down on factual lies about facts they put for this legal theory that has no foundation. i think it takes a deeper hole for him and helps the d.a. in georgia. >> okay, our friends jim hey fee in hugo lowell, thank you all so much.

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usually a chance to say goodbye to summer, but the cities in the midwest and northern plains could shatter records with temperatures 10 to 20 degrees above average, and the northeast is expected to reach into the 90s. some perfect beach weather though. but dangerous rip currents up and down the east coast are causing hazardous conditions for swimmers. those currents caused by several storms out in the atlantic. and there are some good news this weekend. pleasant weather meeting pleasant conditions on the roads as well as most americans are going to wait until monday to head on home. we have two reports for you, nbc's marissa perez in miami, georgia police is on the jersey shore as i welcome you both. we are going to go first, you marissa, at the miami international airport. is it busy?

what are you hearing from the travelers today? >> hey there. so far so good, which is good news to report. i mean we heard of some issues with passport control over at jfk, but aside from, that really minimal cancellations and delays when it comes to the skies. tsa is projecting about 14 million travelers taking to the sky throughout the holiday weekend. but we know the most popular way to travel is by ground. and by the way, when we talk about the airport here, you're asking how it is, if we turn the camera back over my shoulder, you will see that the line is not so bad. that is an important thing to point out. i've been here through international airport here in miami before, and i have seen a whole lot worse. and so let's take a look again at how things are looking. aaa expecting about 100 million travelers overall. the majority of them supposed to be taking to the ground by car, by those vehicles, and we are seeing a international spike in international travel. we will get to that in just a moment. but we did have a chance to speak to some drivers about not only what they are expecting,

what they're planning on doing for the holiday weekend. listen for yourself. >> when we get home, we will not leave our house, because the traffic around our neighborhood will be so much that it's not even worth it to leave the house. >> and we're actually going to go back on sunday, and so we're not dealing with the monday issue. >> the biggest thing is distractions. it's mostly south of that you're seeing. we're seeing them higher, and so we can see those things. everybody be safe, it maintain your distance, maintain your speed, and keep your eyes open. just keep the distractions down. that will make it easier, safer for you guys to make it easier, safer for us. >> now when we talk about travel trends, i actually want to call back to that graphic that we saw just before we heard from those drivers there. when it comes to international bookings, they are up this year by a significant amount. we are seeing international hotel bookings up 82% from last year. international cruise bookings up 44% from last year. and this is something that we have seen time and time again when it comes to holidays this

year. we're talking about july 4th, memorial day, and a lot of experts are saying that it's because during the pandemic, people put international travel on hold. and so this is the year that people are saying that they are going to put those plans that they had to put on hold back on the table for the family. back to you guys. >> okay, well it does look pretty empty there, and so it's a good day to travel at least today. yesterday, maybe not so much. thank you so much mrsa for that. well millions of americans face some dangerous conditions at the beach this weekend. officials warn about potentially life-threatening rip currents up and down the east coast. let's go to nbc's george soliz who's in seaside heights, new jersey for us. welcome george. so what does this mean for the folks headed to the beach this weekend? do they have to stay out on the water? >> hey alex, yeah. they have to stay out on the water, but if you ask me, it's really not so bad to be on the beach. you could see people just flocking here to seaside heights. they're lifeguards on duty for those that you want to get in the water. other than that, it is a picture perfect day. you mentioned earlier, there are several storms in the atlantic that are turning up

the oceans up and down the eastern seaboard. all the way from delaware to massachusetts. what is it doing? well i will show. you take a look at some of the serve here. now that may be inviting to some people, but here on the beach, they are saying absolutely no slippage. so what you are seeing is people going in about ankle, knee, maybe way steep if you're braving it up there, and not allowing swimmers here. that's why the lifeguards here are on duty, making sure that no one goes into the water. and so some advice for those, if there are going to try to get to a large spot despite those red flag warnings, number one, don't panic. that's the thing you could do in a situation. if you're caught in a rip current, because i'm just going to burn out a lot of your energy. number two, swim parallel to the beach. either left or right. try and tread water, because you burnout, obviously you're going to get exhausted, and that is what is a real danger and could take effect. in the course, first and foremost for the lifeguards here, know that there are no lifeguards on duty. not a problem here on this beach. again, a lot of people just taking in the sand in this beautiful weather. still, i spoke with lifeguard officials about some of the precautions they are taking. they know it's been really

active out here with the water, and then a lot of people are bummed out. they want to make sure the safety is paramount. take a listen. >> we're gonna keep people at ankle-deep right now. i think, we are not sure, but we think that the winds may switch today. once they do, it will help knock down the surf a little bit. they do have a beautiful beach day, you know? they will be more driving in when it's much safer down the road. >> yeah alex, that is the expectation that mostly the tides start to pull out, and some of the surface a lot more common for the people can't swim. outside of, that beautiful beach day. best thing to do is just to sit back and relax. alex? >> you look calm, cool, and collected. sleeves rolled up. now you have the shades, okay, good call, thank you very much george phillies. good one. coming up next, i'm going to ask a member of congress about the growing pressure on the supreme court after justice clarence thomas disclosed luxurious gifts from a right-wing donor.

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former new mexico governor and former u.s. ambassador to united nations bill richardson has died at the age of 75. my colleague nbc's julie tsirkin is joining me now, looking at richardson's five decades of public service. you know julie, he was a frequent guest on our show, i always enjoyed introducing him because i said sir, you wear so

many hats. he was also secretary of energy during the clinton administration. what a storied career he had. >> yeah, absolutely alex. you hit it right on the head there. look, a statement from his nonprofit, the richardson center for diplomacy released a statement saying that the 75-year-old passed away and his sleep overnight at his summer home and massachusetts. he was a giant. he served in these hallowed halls for six terms as a u.s. congressman from new mexico. he then went on of course being tapped by president bill clinton in the 90s to be not only his energy secretary, but also he entered the diplomacy ring. the u.n. ambassador to the united nations, excuse me, the u.s. ambassador to the united nations as clinton appointed him, and he left his career in congress being sent on a mission abroad to negotiate the release of a helicopter of detainees from a helicopter crash in north korea in the 90s. he then of course will not his

serve two terms as governor of new mexico. he also ran for president in 2008, becoming the first democrat of hispanic descent to mount a nationwide campaign for president. of course he later dropped out, but he served as governor until 2010. after that, though he began a whole other career, volunteer work and nonprofit work. starting his center for diplomacy since 2011, and the center says since this morning, he helped negotiate the release of more than 80 people, reuniting families. these were people that they say were wrongfully detained abroad, and that could make that happen. i want to bring you a statement coming out from senator ben ray lujan, who knows that he actually held the same house seat as richardson did back when he served in the house. and governor richardson was a close friend. and he worked closely with my late father in the legislature. his passing is incredibly heartbreaking for so many

mexicans who knew and respected him. he leaves behind a legacy that will never be matched, and one that mexicans will always take pride in. he of course like the other senator of the state, senator heinrich, joins impaired with the family as so many do. i also want to note that richardson was just nominated we can go again. again, his second nomination for the nobel peace prize. all the work that he did in his nonprofit, and of course under the clinton administration as well. he was nominated by four democratic senators, including those two from new mexico. so just really heartbreaking and to the story of governor bill richardson. he held such a dear place and so many hearts, and played such a important role, not only here domestically, but certainly abroad on the diplomatic stage as well, alex. >> yeah, 100%. again, a man of many talents and hats there. julie, i'm looking into the conversation right now, a good friend from new york, tom peter baker, a white house correspondent. peter, i know that you certainly had cross past with him many of times, and written about him.

he was a man, to julie's point, think about the inroads that he really helped make into the previously closed off north korean space there that have been closed off for decades. he really was among the first to open up at least communication with that country. >> the really, was exactly right. he was a unique figure, and he was a giant as you said. he was a colorful character. you knew that he was in the room, right? he had forcible, buoyant energetic personality that allowed him to succeed in politics and at diplomacy. and i think the reason why he became so successful as the sort of global hostage rescue or, negotiator diplomat is because he brought something to the table but a lot of the more state professionals did. and i think the manager pushes way into the north korean hermetically sealed circles anyway that others could not. and so you're right i think.

there's loss is a big loss for the country, and a big loss for politics and diplomacy in a figure we have not seen. >> it is pretty extraordinary to clear that he lead. congress, gubernatorial seat, being able to be appointed as a secretary of energy, unite nations ambassador for the united states. it's hard to say that anyone who's achieve that level a variety of topped oppositions like that. >> and once more, when he ran for president, did not get very far, but that was the next level up i think for him if he could not make it. and he was, you know, he managed to succeed in a world where people with his background hadn't in the past, right? he was a barrier breaker in a way that others have been an overtime, and he plays the way forward for other hispanic americans, who did not fit the

traditional mold of american politics in the old days, and they showed that it could be done. i think they're a lot of people in america today he will miss his fourth right style. his very candid approach to issues. and the force and energy he brought to. it >> i just have to say, he was again a frequent guest over a show over the years, andrea talking with him. he was always very generous with his time. very candid with his commentary, and his assessments of things. never made you feel rushed. it was a wonderful guest to have on, particularly given all the many hats that he had won in his leadership tenure and you can really mine him for information on a variety of topics. i so enjoyed talking with him. he will definitely be missed. peter, don't go too far, because i'm going to have you back in just a little bit. we're going to be talking about something related to donald trump, which would surprise. you so we will get to that in a moment. so also everyone, speaking of, that the public will soon be able to watch at least one of donald trump's criminal trials. a judge ruling the cameras will

be allowed in court for the former presidents georgia election interference trial. trump pleaded not guilty on charges or racketeering and conspiracy. joining me now, congress california congressman ted lieu, vice chair of the house democratic caucus. congressman, before i go any further with our discussion, did you get a chance to cross paths over the years with governor secretary congressman ambassador bill richardson? >> thank you alex for question, i never had the opportunity to serve with secretary richardson, but he was extraordinary public servant, and my heart goes out to the friends and family of secretary richardson, and history is going to remember him well. >> it will. indeed let's move on to our discussion about donald trump. tell me about how significant is it that the georgia trial will be televised. what kind of impact is that going to have? >> i support trials being televised. they're funded with taxpayer dollars.

it is the third branch of government. the judiciary should not operate in secrecy. as i think that supreme court proceedings should be televised and i am a big believer in more government transparency at all levels of the government. >> well look. there have been a lot of growing calls for trump's federal trials to be televised. how could georgia impact those efforts? is there any chance that it would happen federally speaking or are the rules that govern that very strictly followed, and so there is no chance? >> individual federal courts could decide to televise trials if they want to, you and i urge the judicial counsel to put out a policy of having trials be televised. again, this is an entire branch of government. they should be transparent, they should not act as if they are operating in secrecy. and i heard a lot from you, and you understand why pursue -- supreme court proceedings weren't televise. >> that is something that is meant for discussion as well. what about in the annual financial disclosure that was released this week, speaking of

supreme court? justice clarence thomas disclose the details of expensive trips paid for by republican megadonor and billionaire harlan crow. it comes after a series of propublica reports earlier this year revealing the extent of his relationship with crow. what is your take away from this disclosure. do you expect any actual ethics rule changes coming into the high court? >> justice clarence thomas should resign. he has dishonored himself in the united states supreme court. it is not like he accepted one expensive watch. [silence] >> oh goodness, it looks like the skype connection has gone down for us. we're certainly going to try to get that back. they are more questions we would like to ask the congressman lieu, but we will see if we're able to do that. in the meantime, we have a shocking new poll out today and what it tells us about the 2024 race, plus, here is a reality check. some of the more baffling statements by donald trump in a newly released deposition. baker's coming right back, he

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lieu is back with us, we have the connection. so i will ask you to review again what you are saying about justice clarence thomas in the fact that the financial disclosure that was released this week had the details of the trip that were paid for by harlan crow. again, your thoughts on that and what he should do going forward. >> justice clarence thomas should resign, because it's not like he accepted just one gift he should not have. this was millions of dollars of gifts from a conservative billionaire who did not know justice thomas until after he became a supreme court justice. he took all of these trips. and i also note, why did he file this filing? it's because he knows he has to follow the law. congress requires everyone to make these filings, but it also requires him to disclose private jet travel which he did not.

he violated a law in that instance, and members of congress including me have called on the former justice to go ahead and investigate justice thomas for violating the law. i also know that this billionaire had interest before the supreme court. he's a board member of api, which writes legal briefs before the supreme court. >> do you expect there to be ethics, rules, changes to the supreme court? how challenging would it be to implement some? >> every single federal employee in our government with the executive branch, and the judicial branch has to follow ethics rules except for the nine people on the u.s. supreme court. i don't know who they think they are, but it's one reason why when you look at public opinion polling, they were at the lowest levels of approval in recorded history. i urge the supreme court to adopt a set of ethics, principles, and guidelines and actually followed them. alternatively, congress has a supreme court ethics bill, and

i urge that government -- mccarthy put that into floor so that we can put it into law. >> all right, congressman ted, lou i'm glad we have you looked back up. thank you so much for your time, enjoy your holiday weekend. in the meantime, there's new polling out today as a trump biden rematch seems ever more likely. in a wall street journal poll released hours ago shows donald trump now leading florida governor ron desantis by a whopping 46 points. and he's tied with president biden in a hypothetical general election matchup. they will have about 46% of that vote. joining me once again, peter baker, chief white house correspondent the new york times, msnbc political analysts, and also coauthor of the divider. okay, let's put this all together, my friend. after the mugshot and four criminal indictments, you would think that president biden would have significant advantage, but apparently not. we're going to take pulling with a grain of salt certainly, but what does this tell you about the appeal of these candidates? >> well, i think it tells you that the old rules of politics

no longer apply. of course the old rules of politics are, a presidential candidate was a legal trouble, much less indicted four times, twice involving an effort to overturn democratic elections. we would course have no possible viability as a candidate. we are in a different era, and this is a different kind of candidate. the indictments rather than diminishing his support among his base, has actually seemed to embolden his base. this, according to this poll and others, believes that these indictments are illegitimate and a part of a persecution against him, which is of course what donald trump has been telling him it is all along, and they believe it, and they agree with him. and so it is a alarm bell for republicans who don't want donald trump to be their nominee. and it's alarm bell for democrats who think that because of these indictments, he's going to automatically lose a general election. this poll suggests no, it is a very competitive race. 46 to 46%, and then you say that we can't be certain about polls, certainly as far out, but it suggests that this is not in any way a gimme for the

democrats despite former president trump's legal troubles. >> senator bernie sanders says that biden can win this election in a landslide if he can present a clear liberal agenda. take a listen to what he said. >> how does it happen if somebody like donald trump who has been impeached twice, indicted four times, is a pathological liar, and i think most of americans understand that he is corrupt. you know what?an he's running even to biden in the polls? what is that about? >> what is that about? >> what is that about? to my mind, is he of millions of working class people out there who say, you know, i understand trump was a phony, but he claims at least to be standing for us. who cares about us? and what we have got to, do what the democrats have got to, do is we have to engage in class politics to understand that we have been in a class worn out for decades and the wrong class is winning. >> is that message getting to

the president, peter? is senator sanders on to something? >> well you're going to hear a lot of different prescriptions by democrats who are nervous about president biden's chances. there's obviously the view of the progressive left who believes that president biden would be better off articulating a stronger, more ideologically powerful message, and hear a lot from other democrats saying oh, that's not the issue. the issue, and a lot of ways are going to a lot of polls frankly is his age. and a lot of democratic voters and independents are nervous about an eight-year-old president who seems to at times forget names and get confused and so forth. and so i think that that is an issue that you cannot do much about as a white house. that is a problem for this white house. and the white house is basically then depending on the strategy in 2020. they say, look don't pinch and these polls. you always underestimate joe biden would push comes to shove. but are going to stand with them again, just like they did in 2020, and was like the democrats beat the arts, even though they lost in 2022

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