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you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we have this sad breaking news. former new mexico governor, former u.s. ambassador to the machinations bill richardson has died at the age of 75. my colleague nbc's julie tsirkin is joining me now to look back on richer since five decades of admirable public service. >> alex. he was a frequent guest, not only of your show but on our platform. always bringing his thoughtful insights and his decades of experience not only as a congressman of six terms serving in the u.s. house, but also serving under the clinton administration as energy secretary, being thrust into the world of diplomatic relations when clinton nominated him to be u.s. ambassador to the united

nations. but he also served as governor for two terms in new mexico. senator ben ray lujan says he took over the seat that richardson once held in the house, releasing a statement saying quote, he was trusted to handle some of the most sensitive diplomatic crisis and he did so with great success here in new mexico. we will always remember him as our governor. richardson, just last, week was nominated a second time for the nobel peace prize for the work that he has done, not only when he was serving as the ambassador to the u.n., but also when he was governor. he dealt with mission sensitive diplomatic -- including north korean officials who just nine days after he was sworn in as governor in 2005 went to new mexico to try to work out a new color treaty ultimately no progress was made on that, but even so, when he left his governorship in 2010 he launched a nonprofit, the richardson center for global engagement and diplomacy. the vice president of that center told us this morning

that richardson passed away peacefully in his sleep overnight in his summer home in massachusetts. i have to tell you, alex, he was involved in fringe diplomacy efforts from everyone from notable journalists who were held hostage across many nations, where she had visited, but also the american college student was held for 17 months in north korea before finally returning home. richardson played a hand in that. most recently, wnba star, brittney griner's release from where she was held in russia. you can see the hand that richardson played, maybe not publicly in official roles, but privately in the last 12 years or so as he held -- helmed this nonprofit. he certainly will be missed in his touch and diplomacy will certainly be missed as well, alex. >> absolutely, he was not necessarily front and center, to your, point julie, but for those of us who followed his career and knew of his capabilities, we always knew that he had somehow a hand in this, bringing out some good resolutions for those people

who have been wrongly imprisoned or incarcerated elsewhere outside of this country. julie, thank you for that and for all of, you we are hoping to get andrea mitchell to join us at some point so she can shed some further light on his remarkable incredible diplomacy efforts over five decades of a tremendous career. we have more breaking news to share because in just moments, president biden and the first lady are expected to land in florida. they will visit the areas devastated by hurricane adalja. nbc's squad -- live oak, florida, which pretty clearly, by the picture we're about to see from the, there got its share of devastation to be sure. talk about what's on the presidents agenda today, guad. >> alex, just another example of the type of damage we've seen all across the state. we know the president is coming in today. he is going to get an aerial tour of florida. he's going to see some of the damage from the air from what we understand. we -- he is also coming here to live oak, where he will get to see

damage like this up close just for him to understand firsthand what happened here. we know the president has been advocating for congress to allocate more money for fema, we are going to be walking here because we are seeing a lot of work being done to the infrastructure. just as i speak, you know there's a vehicle coming over from my left. this is the kind of work we've seen all across florida, we've seen crews trying to restore the powerlines, this is a big, issue the power lines are, here we have damage the utility poles. alex, a lot of the conversation with president's visit has been whether or not they would be meeting with governor, ron desantis. ron desantis's office in florida -- they did not meet each -- they did not plan to meet with the president, after biden said he would -- biden was asked again, this morning, this is what he said. thi mornin>> what happened with the meeting with desantis? >> i don't know, he's not going to be there.

>> it looks like the president and the governor will not be meeting while the president visits florida. so when we talk about the damage that we have to people's homes and what residents are looking, for the type of help they are looking for, it is obviously different for different presidents. for example, stephen who lives in this house says he needs help to remove the tree that fell over his house. actually, the crew that just drove in, looks like they have a crane and are having a conversation with him. that could be the crew that helps him or is going to assess the damage. we will hear from another resident who also talks about the damage that they suffered. >> the dry wall in the baseboards are toast. that is gone, it has to go. i guess the next step is learning what else is not going to make. it >> it's thoroughly worse than expected. i fought back floods before, done tie, back to, keeping

trump proper steps. this one kicked my butt. >> i'm waiting for fema to get out here to give me -- let me know what i can claim or what i can do. give me some leadership and i have water in my house. we >> now, we have seen fema crews on the ground. the owner of this home told me they already spoke to him and they're going to give him more information as fast as they can. we heard the residents talk about the dry wall. that is another issue. a lot of the homes that visually look okay, especially those next to the water that experienced the surge, they might look okay but if the water went in there and touch that dry wall, the dry wall is ruined. that is dry wall that then can grow mold and of course there's all sorts of health hazards to that. it's not just what we can visually see, like the damage to this home, but it is a lot of homes that were damaged by the water that they need to be evaluated. of course, fema is going to play a big part in the recovery here, alex. >> you are so.

right if the water gets in the dry, while it is no longer dry. great point. thank you so much, quad. today takes off the last summer holiday weekend of 2023. nearly 100 million americans are expected to travel. tsa is expecting 14 million flyers between now and monday. the good news is, so, far there are no significant delays. right, now 4 million people are under heat alerts as hot weather scorches the northern plains and midwest. temperatures are expected to reach the triple digits there, the heat will then move east for the holiday on monday. then a warning -- to anyone planning to spend a weekend at the beach, lifeguards are up to people out of the water due to potentially life-threatening rip currents. let's go to nbc,'s george soliz, in seaside heights, new jersey. actually faring pretty well, there it looks like a beautiful day. the folks are not allowed in the water still, right? >> that is, right alex. it is a picture perfect day here in new jersey along the

shore. you could see people packing the beach. as you mentioned, a lot of them aren't going into the, water mainly because the lifeguards aren't allowing. at the red flags are up because of those rip current alerts. they are up and down the east coast right. now delaware to massachusetts, there are a number of storm systems of the atlantic turning up the ocean. you can see it for yourself. it is starting to improve slightly, so that is the silver lining here. officials are hoping but by 5:00, once the tide officially goes, out the water will be calm. or it might be able to switch the red flags to maybe yellow, maybe even green. you might be able to actually swim and soak up this last bit of summer that world desperately trying to hang on to. we know the heat is coming, today people are just so excited to be here on the beach. yeah, why not get your toes, what get your ankles wet. talk to some lifeguard officials earlier about some of the precautions they are taking. we want to make sure people are safe and also have fun. here's my conversation with. them >> they have a beautiful beach day, when they will be

more diving in when it's safer down the road. they do have a beautiful beach, they beautiful day for the boardwalk and the sun. it's a bit of a bummer, but that's not to say if it changes later the, day we will go down to a yellow flag if we deem it safe. at that point they can swim. >> all, right here is some important information if you get caught in one of these dangerous rip currents. the first thing is do not panic. swim parallel to the beach, hopefully you end up on a sandbar, try to tread water, the more energy you, waste of, course that's when you get exhausted and that's where the real danger lies. earlier we were on the boardwalk, it is also, pack i have my crew moved down here because, again we just had to sit here and soak up as much sun as we possibly could as we say goodbye to summer, alex. >> yeah, and put on your, shades we know you have them handy, my friend. okay, george soliz, appreciate that. passed in forest law and order style, the unbelievable traffic jam headed for the courts in georgia.

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his calendar next wednesday, so -- instead of traveling to atlanta to be arraigned, trump at 11 core defendants have pleaded not guilty on charges related to attempts to overturn the georgia's 2020 election results. at the same time, several defendants including trump are asking to be tried individually. joining me, harry lippman, former deputy assistant attorney general, now ucla constitutional law professor and columnist as well as hannah multi, even former spokesperson for the house january six committee. welcome to you both. harry, these filings are coming fast and furious. first, our defendants, are they already entitled separate trials? or is this -- kenneth chesebro's motion to sever. does this complicate, if so,

how? fani willis's plan for a speedy trial? >> yes, no, yes, i think if i got this right. they are very rarely entitled to a separate trial. that's what's called severance. and that's what's making this puzzle here and also making problems for the defendant. chesbrough, he says i want a speedy trial. you have an automatic right to that under georgia law, but so far as phil willis is pointed out, nobody has been severed which is far from automatic. it is more unusual than not. so everyone together now is on chesebro schedule. we assume that has to give, but fani willis is insisting that the judge has to go through the severance analysis, which requires a showing that i don't

-- so trump, said i don't have enough time. that's not a reason to sever. chesbrough says i don't want sydney powell with. meet we hardly work together at all. that's not a reason to sever. you have to show a real fundamental effect on fairness. and how the judge mcafee is going to handle that is really right now the biggest procedural puzzle out there. >> so you can, ask but it's not necessarily granted. hearing you say that there are cracks within the cracks and among the 19 defendants. how could that development affect donald trump? >> well, it's interesting. the most obvious way is right now donald trump, believe it or not, is scheduled to go to trial early november because he has not been severed. out we have one anchored trial that is chesbrough, and that is anchored because it is a speedy trial. trump, of course, wants out. you have to imagine the judge will find a way. but just being --

having too much work to do too soon is not a basis for doing it. more generally, basically it seems to me, alex, nobody wants to be at the table with donald trump. but some people are going to wind up there. eventually, when he sits in front of a jury, there will be a dynamic with other people sitting there and the likelihood, one way you get out of things is you point out donald trump. also, just because of the whole mass, the expense of the fees that he's not paying for, other people not want to cooperate. how do they do that? point the finger at donald trump. it is a precarious time for him as other defendants break loose and say, as even some of the georgia electors have done, i did this because it was at the command of the president of the united states. >> and this is going to be televised. so to you, hannah, because you are a pr person on january six committee that held those televised hearings, how do you

feel about the georgia trial being televised? what kind of impact could the fact that it's on television have? >> alex, the fact that it is going to be televised is huge. anyone that is doubting the effect of that can just look at the over 20 hours of evidence and testimony that the select committee presented to the american people. when i started on the committee, people said to me, why are you even doing? this why are you even trying? no one is going to change their minds. and i believe that we changed hearts and minds, especially by showing the multi -- planet donald trump lead to overturn the election. the select committee was not a judicial body or legislative body. there has been reporting that has shown that because of the evidence that we showed the doj might have taken some action. i think that it is important to have accountability in many different ways. you can have accountability in the courts. but i think the fact that it is televised is showing that there

needs to be accountability to the american people as well. the people that are a part of this democracy, participating in it. how donald trump tried to steal their vote! >> mark meadows, hannah, gave a trove of text messages to the 16 committee. then stopped cooperating. now he is leading the first big fight of the georgia case. he is claiming immunity as a federal officer at the time of the alleged criminal activity. can you give us a sense of why he stopped cooperating and how the committee thought he might have been helpful to them? >> alex, this is the million dollar question. i will say, even within the committee, we could not figure out what mark meadows was doing. he turned over all these documents, the text messages included, which show that he was cooperating. then said, wait i'm not going to testify. and that is not cooperating. that is saying i change my, mind i don't want to do that. we don't know why he did that, but looking through some of the text messages, you can see that mark meadows was trying to play

all sides of this. to say to some people that he did not take this seriously, and that trump was doing things that he might not agree with or would try to rein him in, but then he was on the call with georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, where donald trump asked for 11,000 votes to win the election in georgia. i cannot pretend to get in the mind of mark meadows, it is not surprising that he's using this -- trying to get his state court, his federal court, that's not surprising to me. but i'm not going to pretend to understand what's going on his mind. we will have to wait to see how things shake out with him. >> another question, to harry. the judge hearing meadows motion to move his case to federal courts that either way this decision will set precedent as a constitutional expert in your mind, what is the assessment of what you've heard so far? how do things look for meadows? by extension, other defendants who will try to follow? >> you know, i agree with everything she just said. he has been the mystery man,

and really trying to have it both ways as a punitive defendant and also as a chief of staff. so everyone, i, think sees it as something that could go either wait for meadows on the one hand, he makes an incredible account that much of the time -- pedestrian chief of staff, on the other, hand and i think this really should be pivotal, we will see if it will, be there are certain things he is doing especially trying to strong-arm raffensperger and really coordinate the false electors scheme which a, he lied, about and let's call it out for in this hearing, and, b have no justification for his job under federal law. to me, at the end of the day, that should be conclusive. >> all, right carrie lippman and hannah will davin, i'm sorry for the brevity of this conversation. we will go back to our breaking news. the news about the passing of former new mexico governor and u.s. ambassador to the united

nations, bill richardson. joining me on the phone, nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent, andrea mitchell. andrea, i'm imagining this came as a shock. he's only 75 years young. i know he passed peacefully in his sleep at his vacation home on cape cod in massachusetts. but when you think of bill richardson from a foreign policy perspective, what comes to mind? >> i think of him, first of, all as an in very engaging politician, the governor, of course, of new mexico. and a congressman whom i knew, i knew him back in the 90s, and then when he was first down in little rock, being interviewed to become the cabinet secretary with bill clinton during that transition. then, i traveled with him in 1990, eight we went with him to the u.n., i went to afghanistan with him. he was meeting with taliban leader, trying to actually get osama bin laden turned over. this is 1998.

in fact, it was before the august of 1998. this was before the embassy bombings that were attributed to al-qaeda. and it was before the u.s. bombing of the -- this was after that first 1993 bombing, but already from 1996 on, u.s. intelligence was tracking bin laden and we were in afghanistan. and then we went north where he met other afghan leaders who were favorable to the u.s., they went on a small yuan plane, it was very dramatic there. if he was a great negotiator. we went to north korea in 2006. he was always eager to take on very difficult tasks and of course, in more recent, years the hostage negotiator, alex. >> andrea, you mentioned the we're tracking. what you're seeing there in the lower corner of a screen, that is president biden who has

arrived with our first lady in gainesville, florida, making his way to some hard-hit areas. he's going to meet with fema officials and people who have suffered the ravages of hurricane adalja. we will keep an eye on that. but continuing with you, andrea, it seems like north korea is the place where he made an indelible mark on his diplomacy skills. he was a man who could largely be credited to, my understanding, with having opened up this, as peter baker said, hermetically sealed community. this country that, for decades, had been really cut off in many ways from the rest of the world. he helped make inroads and shed some light into what was happening there. would you agree with that? >> i do, and there had been a brief opening in 2000 when i first went to north korea with madeleine albright, there was the possibility of diplomacy

going on. that was shut down under the bush administration, when bill clinton and al gore -- they did not win or, get into the white house, that whole policy shifted. but he tried to get through to north korea. and that was an important aspect of his diplomacy. going back to 2000, six he was trying to do what he could, as we got the remains of american soldiers -- turned over as, well on that trip, they drove all the way to -- from pyongyang down to the -- drc and we saw how -- we flew into pyongyang before but never sought from the ground. never saw that long journey and saw how eroded land was, how primitive the farming was. they were using hose and utensils. they did not have any mechanized equipment. they cut down all the trees for

firewood. it made you realize how much that country did need the rest of the world, and was mistakenly relying on its military might rather than on opening itself up. >> yes, andrea, before i let you go, because i know you have to take off shortly, it was said earlier that bill richardson had incredible charisma. you've echoed the same sentiments. he was really somewhat unique. he did not approach diplomacy with any sort of stayed, he allowed a personality, allowed his largeness to get in there and shake things up. so my question to you as, will we see the likes of him again? someone like this from a diplomacy aspect? but also given that breadth of experience he brought as a secretary of energy, a six term congressman, a gubernatorial leader of the state of new mexico. when you think about the vast experience he brought to his role in diplomacy, and foundation work later in life,

it's hard to think of someone being able to step into issues like that. >> it is. in fact, you know, he was not always creating comfort levels for diplomats. when he was out of the, u.n. when he was outside of the administration, he often tried to work on his own. he said he always coordinated with, them but there were those who found him something of a maverick. but it worked for him, it worked to get people out of places where you couldn't get them diplomatically. there are plenty of times where diplomacy, traditional diplomacy let's, say from the state department, does not work. you have to go outside of bounds and he knew how to touch those buttons. he was a great politician, a very successful governor. had ambitions beyond that. but it never quite fit the mold of traditional politics either. but that was a lot of his

charm. he was also -- because he spent childhood years in mexico, he was fluent and it was one of the cabinet officers who really understood the spanish vacant community long before a lot of others realized the huge potential and impact that would have. he was really one of a kind. >> he really. was >> and i'm so, said i don't know what -- we don't know what the cause of his passing, is but it is all too soon. >> well too soon, just a couple months shy of his 76th birthday. to your, point he did have higher ambitions despite all that he had accomplished having run for president at least for a brief time in 2008. andrea mitchell, as, always it is an honor to have you share your insights and expertise on something like this on the show. thank you for taking the time. thank you, andrea. >> coming up, later what a second trump presidency could

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the presidents visit to florida, we show the president and force ladies stepping off of air force one just a short while ago and gainesville, florida. guad, i know the president is expected to come to this region where you have been reporting, which has been set hit so hard. you don't know yet if he is coming to see the devastation offered by that house behind you, but what do you know about his visit? >> so, alex he has landed in gainesville, florida, that is just southeast of us. the president is then going to do this aerial tour to assess the damage. he is southeast of, us he is we -- think he will make his way to the west coast and see where most of the damage communities are at. we have cedar key, that is just west of where he landed.

north of, that you have horseshoe beach, a little further north, perry, another one of the damaged communities. a little further north is where we are located in. live oak vista's where the president is expected to come walk and see these neighborhoods firsthand. this is a house we have been at today, where you can see that they are now removing one of the trees that fell over the home. this happened as we've been reporting, so this is the type of damage that president biden is going to be assessing in person here and live oak, we are get to be informed of the location of the specific house he's going to be visiting. but this is the damage that they've seen in this part of florida, of, course we are not near the ocean, so a lot of the damage here was to the power lines, utility poles and damage that also came from the trees, as you can see, the president will also be speaking to first responders and local officials here once he arrives in live oak, alex. >> okay, guad venegas, thank you so. much he'll take the aerial tour, he'll get a view from the above

before he gets one from the ground. thank, you guad. we will go to breaking news. this is overnight, jimmy buffett, the legendary singer and songwriter behind that hit some margaritaville has died. he was 70. six and, bases drove fryer, has more on the musical legacy of buffett. >> wasting away again and margaritaville. >> for more than half a century, jimmy buffett lived what he's saying about. proudly building a billion dollar career around beach anthems like margaritaville. >> it's 5:00 somewhere, -- >> a cheeseburger in paradise. >> and cheeseburger in paradise. >> more than a musician, buffett embodied a lifestyle. a breezy slacker, happy to waste the they away, with a frozen cocktail. born in mississippi, buffett refined his sound in the laidback rhythms of florida's key west. a counter point to the so-called yuppie generation, buffets blend of tropical rock

found a legion of fans known as a parent heads. flocking to his concerts in mass, dressed in hawaiian shorts and flip-flops. a jimmy buffett song come to life. >> i think everybody needs a little escape sometimes. stockbroker, head fund manager, you see people coming from work. they're taking a ties, off putting the hawaiian shorts over their suits. >> over his, career buffett sold more than 20 million albums. all the fun in the sun paid, off not just in record sales, buffett became a billion dollar brand. opening jimmy buffett's margaritaville restaurants across the u.s.. selling books, the, years real, estate popping up in, movies we -- inspiring a broadway show. all the while, he never lost his laid back charm, revealing in 2018 his secret to having fun. >> it's lucky to have this job. i think the older you get, the more you appreciate. it >> buffett himself once said, if there's a heaven for, me i'm

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will not vote to fund the government unless we have passed an impeachment inquiry on joe biden. i will not fund the government because i will not fund the weaponized part of the government. i am not going to continue to fund the biden regime's weaponized government. so there should be no funding for jack smith's special counsel. >> well, great, hundred ill or

green showing the demands that would secure her vote to avoid a government shutdown. that was just two of them. the congresswoman also told the town hall event that she would vote for continuing resolutions that funds mask mandates or vaccine bandits for covid. she will not vote to fund the war in ukraine. joining me now is california -- robbyn garcia, a democratic member of the homeland security and oversight committees. welcome, sir. just curious your response to marjorie taylor greene, and do you think she is an outsider or do you expect other republicans to follow and also not vote to fund the government? >> i mean, unfortunately i have the pleasure of being the only democratic congress to serve on all three committees with marjorie taylor greene. so i probably spend more time with her than anyone. >> wait, what's? my condolences. but anyway. >> thank you. i can tell you that she is absolutely leading the train

and leaving that maga train in congress. she is leader, kevin mccarthy has empowered. her her views are completely extreme. you can see how she is linking her rabbit desire to want to impeach president biden to shutting the government down. she is willing to cut pay for firefighters for national health care workers, workers who are moving this country forward. just so she can impeach the president. this is the kind of person that we're dealing with. someone who won't acknowledge helping anyone, she's just completely focused on dragging the country away from a strong democracy and has some warped right-wing version in her head. it's insane comment what she is saying, -- fortunately, kevin mccarthy is a powering her. >> this threat about impeachment inquiry against president biden, to your, point speaker mccarthy now says it's the only way they would open

one. the nbc news reporting that the war room at the white house, now preparing to respond to unexpected impeachment inquiry. i know you're on the oversight committee. that has seen republicans lead investigation over the president. what could the administration actually be facing here? does this war room that they are reportedly working on and have opened up, does it indicate that it's a real threat? >> i think of course the white house is going to be prepared for anything. i think their first and foremost focused on governing, on passing historic legislation like the inflation reduction act, climate work, it just happens with project -- being able to negotiate for lower costs for seniors for prescription drugs. that's the work that's. happening but of course we're gonna be prepared, we have to. be when marjorie taylor greene and george santos control the republican party, we have to expect anything. let's be very clear, they have now made it very public that whatever impeachment inquiry

they open up is clearly political. they are willing to shut down the government and stop the economy from moving forward. it's obviously been improving under the president. just for their own political revenge. it is really shameful, we should be alarmed, all americans should be alarmed at what is happening. we should be really concerned that kevin mccarthy continues to empower marjorie taylor greene as the leading voice in congress. she is the meeting voice on their side. >> that is extraordinary. democratic ranking member on the oversight committee, jamie raskin, said he is asking republican jared, james comer, to subpoena jared kushner. he wants former president trump's son-in-law to produce documents about money that his investment firm has received from saudi arabia and other gulf monarchies. this is what he told my colleague, chris hayes, take a listen to this. >> we know that kushner pocketed two billion dollars and $25 million a year management fee from the saudi

government and the uae and the qatar government have also kicked in money. there is more than three billion dollars in there. we want to be able to reconstruct what exactly those countries got out of. it we want all the information. , the same way that the committee is going for all the information about hunter biden, who after, all never worked for the government, was not in the biden administration -- >> is there any expectation that chairman comer will act on? this if he does not, what does that say? >> look, obviously our leader on the committee is right. let's add one more point to this. jared kushner was the leading negotiator and leading voice in the white house on middle eastern affairs for his father in law, donald trump. so to leave the white house, and i will add, -- he began receiving payments months, two months after he left the white house. it is ballooned to over two

billion dollars from the saudi government in a other middle east governments. that is insane. we have got to make sure that we investigate this in a way that is appropriate, and it is comical that they try to link the presidents family, who never worked for the government, who are not working for the white house, he's a private citizen, there's zero evidence since of link. they're unwilling to investigate the kushner's who have profited in the billions of dollars from their work in the white house. we are prepared. we are prepared to keep asking to subpoena these documents. we are pushing on chairman comer, in fact, he actually said to the media that he thought it crossed an ethical line. great, if it crossed an ethnic align that it's time to bring forward the kushner's in our committee. i want to subpoena those documents. we should be pushing for that, and we should take this directly to the kushner's who have no business working in the government, yet they can profit from it. i think it sounds like i think it's not likely gonna stay on this. which i appreciate.

congressman robert garcia. many thanks, my apologies of the summit shortly anticipate. we did have a fair amount of breaking news here today. thank, you sir. next, what if there's another four years of donald trump? well, we just got a glimpse of what it could mean for his adversaries. we'll talk about, it next. lk about, it next. ter antacid all day long but with prilosec otc just one pill a day blocks heartburn for a full 24 hours. for one and done heartburn relief, prilosec otc. one pill a day, 24 hours, zero heartburn. more shopping? you should watch your spending honey. i'm saving with liberty mutual, mom. they customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. check it out, you could save $700 dollars just by switching. ooooh, i'll look into that. let me put a reminder on my phone. save $700 dollars. pick up dad from airport? ohhhhhh. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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cofounder and senior adviser of former department homeland security chief of staff, and author of the terrific new book, blowback, a warning to save democracy from the next trump. the perfect person to talk about this. i'm curious, first of, all your reaction to this. miles, who might trump target if he gets back in the white house? >> well, you're looking at one of them, alex. i only say that half facetiously. because i've had a lot of conversations with folks for blowback and other things about what donald trump would do in a second term. i think it's very, very clear from those conversations, that a second term of donald trump would likely be a last term of american democracy. because of the intent to go weaponize democracies guardrails. especially the justice system, against his adversaries. a number of folks who worked in the trump administration, with me enough since spoken out

against the ex president, we joke darkly about the fact that in the second term, a number of us will be in orange jumpsuits in guantánamo bay. i say that the comment is half facetious, because donald trump actually did have a vision, well i was in the administration, to go use the terrorist prison at guantánamo bay to house political prisoners in that case what he wanted to do is use it to move people from the southern border to send a message and put them in the same place where people like college shake muhammad, the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, sits behind bars. and senate message. the only reason donald trump didn't start sending people to gitmo, and this is true, is that he was convinced it would be too expensive, and the facility couldn't how is the number of people he wanted to send their. that was the mindset of the man when he was president of the united states. you have seen him since doubled down on his intention to, again, use the justice system for political purposes, and specifically, admitting that he

would do so to go after his enemies. i think that's very chilling. it's the type of thing that makes richard nixon look like a kindergartner who got in trouble, rather than a criminal, which is what we're seeing with trump's intentions. >> well, there's nothing funny about this. it's not a joke. the prospect of him going after you. because you're part of the administration to a degree, until things came to light. many of which you've talked about in your new book, blowback. you you stories from your time the trump administration. you offer him them up as cautionary examples of the dangers of having trump, or someone like trump, leaving this country. beyond the prospect of using the oval office to seek vengeance, what else concerns you about a second trump term? >> well, i think this focus, alex, on weaponizing elections is really concerning. the elections are one of the few moments in american democracy where everyone has the opportunity to participate. if you pull the average american, and ask them about the top attributes of democracy, they're probably not gonna say

it checks and balances, in the justice system. they're gonna state elections. it's the moment when americans have that experience with selecting their leaders. there have been discussion within trump circles about different ways to hijack the electoral process in the maga movement's favor. specifically, i have one person who worked on trump's national security council, tell me about their concern that a second trump administration would deploy dhs security forces, the security forces that are used to help oversee administration, to the polls. to try to intimidate voters in future elections. we saw them attempt bits of this in arizona during the midterms, when you have militia groups go and show up at the polls as ballot watchers, to try to intimidate democratic voters and independent to make sure that they didn't show up and cast a ballot against their side. to imagine the federal government making that a policy, and deploying security forces to cities under the guise of election security, but, really with an intimidation mission?

it can only be called authoritarian in nature, alex. >> yeah, so, despite donald trump being far and away the front runner to become the republican nominee, there are new efforts to keep him off the ballot in some primaries. liberal and conservative lawmakers, keep that in mind, liberal and conservative, lawmakers in new hampshire, arizona, michigan, exploring the idea of using the 14th amendment, which disqualifies anyone from holding office, if they've engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the u.s.. how do you think republicans in the states would react to this? >> well, you know, alex, some of them, some republicans, are gonna be on these lawsuits. i've had conversations with a number of the conservative legal scholars that are having discussions about these lawsuits. there's organizations in washington, like crew, citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington, they have spoken to really, the best conservative scholars in the nation about these cases. i think what will be surprising,

you'll see some of these lawsuits brought not by democrats and democratic organizations, but brought by republicans, who believe that donald trump, under the clear text of the constitution, is not qualified to run for office again. now, what can we expect from all of this? there will be a flurry of lawsuits to say he's unqualified for the ballot. those will get run up to the supreme court, hopefully, very quickly. so that americans have clarity on whether trump is or is not qualified. what concerns me, if any of these courts rule against donald trump, there is, i think, a very real prospect of violence. that's one of those moments where trump could foment another january 6th type event, and i think law enforcement is watching that very closely. it's a real concern, politics aside. >> i have to tell, you it's a frightening concern as well. okay, miles taylor, a little shorter than we did dissipated. don't feel badly, everybody's been shortchanged. because a lot of breaking news today. thank you, my friend. you know who once spoke about very fine people on both sides, in charlottesville.

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lady landed there in gainesville. the first couple also be meeting with survivors and officials of the president is expected to speak sometime in the next several hours. joining me now, florida democratic party chair and former florida commissioner of agriculture, nikki freed. always good to see. welcome back. what is your sense, nikki, of the damage in florida, and how long you expect the recovery effort to take there. >> first of, all my heart goes out to all of our families in our big bend area, who had to deal the devastation of the hurricane from this week. the fortunate part of this, there isn't a heavily populated area. however, the impact of it was tremendous. unfortunately, as you start seeing more and more of the recovery efforts into this area, you're also seeing the unfortunate circumstances that we always leave certain parts of our communities behind. which is we're already hearing in some of our black communities. they're being left out of immediate recovery actions. so, something we're monitoring and making sure that all people in these communities receive

all of the appropriate funding from both fema state funds, as well as goods and services that they may need immediately. we know that these recoveries, as a past hurricane andrew survivor, these recoveries take years sometimes. we're still hearing of stories from hurricane in, almost a year ago. tarps still on homes. this is gonna be a long recovery for this community. >> you know what a lot of people are gonna be focusing on, that is insurance. the losses from idalia a loner predict to be as much as nine billion dollars? since the upheaval in private insurance industry in florida, it means many homeowners face uncertainty right now. how is florida prepared to handle the idalia related insurance claims? is there any merit to governor desantis saying he wanted to do more than the legislator wanted. >> i just laugh at wrong desantis's comments. that is the most inaccurate statement that i've heard from him in recent time.

the reality is, ron desantis controls the legislature. they don't move, they don't pass legislation without his directive or his blessing. this is a disaster that's happening here in our state. we are in the middle of a crisis in our insurance industry. you know, tens of thousands of floridians saw this hurricane coming towards us. a potential cat three, cat four, catastrophic numbers of damage. you had tens of thousands of floridians who didn't have insurance. and had to go three emotional toll of knowing that they would have to deal with the repercussions of either being uninsured or having no insurance. that is a complete failure of this republican legislature and this republican governor, desantis. because, unfortunately, these are times that we should have been able to prepare for. on top of that, it's not just the insurance crisis. we are dealing with the climate crisis on top of this. that we have not done and not spent the resources to mitigate

our risks on the ground with climate changing. as i've said, i was a survivor of hurricane andrew in 1992. yet, we have done nothing to mitigate our environment from these damages, and to make sure that we are protecting our state and our citizens, desantis just this past year, vetoed significant funding for infrastructure. whether it's in orange county, after flooding that they saw after hurricane in, or even down in broward county, after the flooding that we saw earlier part of this year. our state is not ready for these types of catastrophic hurricanes and other types of natural disaster events that are happening in our state. this is a failure of leadership of ron desantis. and he can't say that he could've done more. he could've done more, he should've done more, he chose not to. >> nikki freed, unfortunately, to that breaking news i've had to abbreviate many of my discussions today. i did want to have you come on to talk about the explosive report in the miami herald of revealing the floor just a part

of education has repeatedly diminished the impact of slavery in their review. in the education process in the state. i would have you back to talk about that. a look for to it, thank you. that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. also you get more at one pm eastern. yasmin vossoughian continues right now. >> ♪ ♪ ♪ hi, everybody. good to see. i'm yasmin vossoughian, a lot happening in the two hours ahead. some breaking news that we're following this hour, the death of former new mexico governor and ambassador, bill richardson, who was critical to the release of so many americans held overseas, we'll have more on that coming up in just a minute. the president on the ground in florida right now. during the devastation and the damage left from hurricane idalia. governor ron desantis injecting politics into this visit, saying he won't meet me with

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