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headquarters in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. developing this hour -- a major week ahead in the georgia election case. former president donald trump and his 18 codefendants are due to be arraigned. trump and 11 codefendants have waived the need to appear in person, but we'll be watching for the six others who have yet to do so, including mark meadows, since they could be televised life. we could also see the release of the fulton county special grand jury report by the end of this week which has been at the center of d.a. fani willis'investigation. now, despite legal troubles, trump is dominating the gop primary, leading in a new poll by 46 points. earlier today, republican governor chris sununu said the former presidents rivals need to hit him harder. >> i think they have to be a little tougher on trump. chris christie goes nuclear on him, god bless christy, he does a great job with that. he exposes a lot of that, which i think is important. i think what we saw on that debate stage last week, i think there was still a bit too much

kowtowing to him. >> meanwhile, president biden is preparing to head to new delhi this week for the g20 summit with world leaders. but nbc news has learned the president does not plan to formally meet with chinese president xi. here's commerce secretary who just returned from china a bit earlier today. >> the theme of my trip was we need dialogue, we need contact and communication but we also need action. in my trip even the most senior chinese officials said all of the right things. and my message was actions speak louder than words. >> a new reaction from president biden after a toward hurricane damage in florida, president biden was asked about governor ron desantis decision not to meet with him. >> well, no, i'm not disappointed. he may have had other reasons because -- but he did help us plan this. we sat with fema and decided where we should go, where it would be with the least

destruction. and i'm very pleased. >> more on the presidents visit and reaction in just a moment. first, a big week ahead on a number of fronts from both former president trump and president biden. we've got a couple of reporters for you. first, the week ahead in georgia, and women's are set for wednesday, but trump and at least 11 others will not be there. mark meadows is among seven who might show up to the atlanta courthouse in person, while a handful are making big moves to seek separate trials. let's go to nbc's ryan riley for the very latest. ryan, welcome. what's the key thing we need to be looking for this week. >> i think, trying to figure out the trajectory of where all this goes, because we have, you know, individuals who are trying to remove this to federal court. when you have these many defendants and trying to figure out the path forward, it becomes a complicated thing very quickly because not only dealing with all those defendants, but all their lawyers as well. and if willis once to move this as quickly as possible, possibly talking about bringing this trial altogether, all these defendants, because you have defendants who want this

trial to happen very quickly. and then you have people like donald trump who are trying to delay, delay, delay, that's the whole sort of the name of the game in both federal cases and in state cases. so i think that ultimately, it is unlikely we are going to see a trial anytime soon for trump because he is all about that delay. and you can't really watch these things when there's a defendant saying that he really wants to take his time with this and get all the evidence. and of course, donald trump's calendar is looking really fall when it comes to the 2024, you know, we already have a calendar date, they date on the calendar for his federal trial in the january 6th relating charges for next year. and some of these other dates are sort of moving around at the moment right now. >> okay, but as you know, we had the former lawyer can chesebro, folded get that october 23rd trial date. so is there any chance that they're all gonna stay together and go forward as fani willis wishes. >> i think it's pretty unlikely because when you have defendants who want to take more time with the evidence,

you know, i think judges has decided to put them on forward like this. obviously, the public has rights here, but defendants have rights, and especially given what they have said in other cases for how long they are defense is going to take, you know, that just doesn't seem all that realistic, rushing it all that quickly. and that is the name of the game, delaying as long as possible for trump's team, we are just trying to kick the can down the road. it does not really help them with the georgia cases. but the federal cases, as he hopes to get reelected, make all these cases disappear. >> but like, how far does he kick the can down the road? what's a realistic expectation for trump being on trial in this case? >> you know, it is tougher to say. in this case then it is with the federal case as to where, you have a date on the calendar that can move a little bit. but i don't know if we are quite there where we can make predictions on the georgia case just because there are so many other problems in the air. it would be hopeful for the

defense team to see, have these other trials, go and see what evidence they are presented. in the january six cases, you see other defense lawyers coming in these cases, and you sort of see a preview of the prosecution's case. so that could happen here as well if these other trials move forward, we are trump's team is just looking at what exactly the evidence of fani willis team has to offer in these other trials. >> a lot to keep an eye on. we thank you, ryan reilly. i also want to note, everyone, thank you for the author of this upcoming book, sedition hunters, how january 6th broke the justice system. it is due out in october. i can't wait to talk to you about that as well, ryan, thank you. we'll also gonna talk to the writer of this article, while trump makes his 2024 campaign more difficult. that conversation with amber phillips at the washington post and paul butler, msnbc legal analyst, that will happen later this hour. let's go now to the white house today on the heels of during hurricane dahlia damage in florida. the president is calling on congress to quickly boost funding for future natural disaster. and as we noted, he passed on the chance to criticize florida

governor ron desantis for not meeting with him on saturday. nbc's monica alba joining me now from the white house with more on the presidents trip. and as i welcome you, you're gonna talk about the new nbc report about biden not punching back when it comes to donald trump. take it away. >> that is right, alex. you saw yesterday, typically with these major disaster visits, the president and wherever he is going, the leaders there, try to put the politics aside to really deal with the matter at hand. and that was president biden thought was gonna happen because last year when he went to tour hurricane ian damage, he was greeted by ron desantis. but the difference now is that desantis is also running for president, joe ideally in his world, unseat president biden, right? the stakes are a bit different. desantis team said there was an issue with the logistics. the white house said they had informed the governor of their plans but even so, they went forward. again, try not to put the emphasis on that, and instead, they were quite pleased

actually with republican senator rick scott praising the president and what he has done so far in the hurricane aftermath. that's a moment the white house will likely amplify and certainly appreciate. but it does come at a time of this political question of really what the president should be doing and how should he be spending a bit of his time for any of the incumbents, this is a challenge when you are trying to figure out how much time you are actually trying to do in your day job as president, but also as a candidate running for reelection. when it comes to taking on the republican front runner, of course, former president trump, there's some questions in his political orbit about whether he should be doing more. and that is this great new reporting from my colleagues about this question within the white house, aides have kind of decided that they're going to wait until the spring time until, really, primary season is in full effect, to take on more of an offensive tone, to go after donald trump more forcefully. but there are some wondering whether that is too late in the game. and so, there are these other questions just about when he's

going to do that. we know that sometimes when we ask the president here to weigh in on something relating to his predecessor, he doesn't want to, and that is certainly because of a lot of the legal challenges that you were just talking about there with ryan, in terms of the things with the doj overseeing, this president never wants to seem like he is interfering or at all has any influence there. so, instead, you have a lot of allies of the president, like senator tim kaine, saying we should really be focused on what he's been able to accomplish in terms of what they brand now as bidenomics and some other legislation. take a listen to what the senator had to say about this, this morning. >> biden is building that ladder, trying to reorient our economy, so that we don't focus on just folks at the top, but we build an economy that works bottom up, middle out. i think a lot of the evidence is pointing in a good direction. we have to do, as democrats, something that we don't do so well, which is go out and sell the accomplishments, sell the infrastructure projects, sell the growth of manufacturing

jobs. and if we do that, i think joe biden is gonna get reelected. >> and that's an acknowledgment, the part that's been challenging here, trying to get that message to breakthrough. polls show that a lot of americans don't have a total sense about some of this legislation. that's where you gonna see his this president and his cabinet focusing in the coming months heading to 24, alex. >> thank you for the heads up on all of that. appreciate that. new today, more rain expected in the nevada desert, after a torrential downpour this weekend strands tens of thousands at the annual burning man festival. they're actually stuck in a mudslide there with no real escape at this hour. nbc's reporter is following the story for us from los angeles. liz, welcome. i want to tell you, i read a first person account about how incredibly treacherous it was for this one night to safely hike out of burning man. what's happening there? >> alex, thank you. a total mess there. i actually just spoke to a friend of mine who was still currently at burning man, and

she just told me that like thousands of other burners, she is stuck and confined to her camp, people cannot move from camp to camp right now because it is so difficult and hard to walk through this mud. like you mentioned, she said it's a bit of a calm there because another storm, it's calm before the next storm, more rain on the way. flood watches in effect through tomorrow. we should expect more rain in the next few hours. but i also spoke, like the story you read about, alex, i spoke to my cousin who happened to be there. he was able to escape and get out of burning man just before the lockdown. but he had a pretty wild story getting out. he said on friday afternoon, he was on the burning man bus to reno where he got stuck in the mud. and he was amongst 50 people on the bus who had to sleep in the bus overnight. they are saturday morning, realizing it could be days before getting out. they then hiked two miles threw them out to the nearest road where they then hitchhiked to reno. it was a 20 hour ordeal. here's what he had to say. >> it was deeply soaking, and

it was clear that it was going to take hours and hours, if not days to try. that's when it first started to occur to -- me it's nothing like, while i'm stuck here, and it's pretty like, helpless. so there are others who said, like, this is pretty bad, abnormally bad. >> you know, people do seem to be trying to make the most of it. but one concern we have heard from people's sanitation. there is some concern that potentially organizers are not going to be able to empty the bodies on a regular basis. but overall, people are taking it in a stripe, we will see what happens with more rain on the way. alex? >> okay, i don't know -- kind of organic there, but this is a little too much. thanks for much. did you miss the showdown between reverend sharpton and vivek ramaswamy on politicsnation. there were some moments for sure. we're gonna get reaction from congresswoman jasmine crockett,

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that old world view of organizations like the kkk, which have been awful stain on our international history, they say that your skin color determines what you are allowed to say, what you are allowed to think. to say you have to shut up, sit down, and do as you are told because you are black or brown skin, you know what ayanna pressley said much more recently, we don't want any more black faces that don't want to be a black voice. we don't want any more brown faces that don't want to be a brown voice. so, yes, i do think there are echoes of a historical, ugly racism in this country now showing up in new clothes. >> there he is, vivek ramaswamy, now doubling down on some controversial comments. republican presidential candidate, again, comparing ayanna pressley to the kkk in a new interview on msnbc.

joining me now is texas congresswoman jasmine crockett, a democratic member of the house oversight and agricultural committees. welcome back to the show. i'm guessing you have a few things to say about this. but reverend sharpton, he asked ramaswamy if he reflected on how this kind of comparison could put lives in danger. and you just heard the response. so, is this rhetoric dangerous? i'm gonna let you answer. >> is it dangerous? that's definitely a rhetorical question. i know, you know alex, he knows this as well. the problem is he wants to act like he's crazy. and that's what we have. we have a lot of performative politics that play out on the republican side. we know that at the base of the republican party is soaked in racism. and this idea that there are going to turn it around, you know, this is why they don't want to teach the real history in this country as it relates to slavery. they don't want people to be informed. they want them to be confused

by people such as vivek ramaswamy. but let me tell you something, is not going to get the nomination. and right now, all he is trying to do is say hey, i am a part of this circus known as the modern-day republican party. please make me for your next act. and so, he is just trying to capitalize off of the craziness that is occurring in that party right now. >> well, here's another voice within that party that we need to talk about, republican marjorie taylor greene, who is voicing concerns to fund the government and avoid a shutdown. take a listen to what she said. >> i have already decided i will not vote to fund the government unless we pass an impeachment inquiry on joe biden. there should be no funding for jack smith special counsel. i will not vote for continuing resolution that funds mask mandates, the same mandates -- and lastly, my red line has always been, i will not vote to

fund a war in ukraine. >> do you expect more republicans to follow in her footsteps? and if so, how ugly could this get? >> you know, i need people to understand that there is no point in voting any of these crazy people in. you are talking about somebody that has a personal vendetta that she is trying to sell. right now, all she wants to do is be trump's tool, okay? being trumps tool, trump's literally, making sure that our economy stays on track, making sure that her constituents have access to the services that they need, making sure that our service men and women are able to protect us without worrying about whether or not they're going to receive a check. this is someone that claims that she wants to put america first, yet seemingly, we are always putting america last when it comes to her rhetoric, and when it comes to her policies. listen, marjorie taylor greene

is not qualified to sit in congress. and i need her to be voted out. and this isn't being, just because she is in the opposite party from me. this is being set because she continues to present a national threat to us just like trump did. i know that people want to ignore all of the charges that are pending against him. but it is quite serious that our national secrets were literally in the same place that he uses to go and do number two. >> yep, you have a point right there. and another one of greene's threats was an impeachment inquiry into president biden, something speaker mccarthy now says will require a full house vote to launch. you said on the oversight committee, which has seen republicans lead the charge, investigating the president, can democrats counter this effort? >> absolutely. as it relates to the inquiry, maybe not. but when it comes down to oversight, i don't know how

many of your viewers have had a chance to just google oversight hearings and see that the line of defense that we hold on the democratic side is quite strong. but i don't think that this is what we should do. when we talk about weaponization of government, this is the exact definition of this. we know that congressman buck has made it clear, who was a republican for those that don't know, that there is no evidence. so, the idea that we should be going after a sitting president with no evidence, and the only reason we are doing it is because we can, because we have the numbers in the house, does not quite make sense, especially coming from a party that claims that there is nothing to see when we have a twice impeached -- i was gonna say convicted -- but we are gonna say a person who has been found liable of sexual assault, and who has 91 counts of felony indictments pending against him coming out of florida jurisdictions. that is what evidence looks like. >> right. let's look at the democratic

ranking member on the oversight committee jamie raskin, who is asking republican chair james comer to subpoena jared kushner. so he once former president trump son-in-law to not produce documents about the money that his investment firm has gotten from golf monarchies and that includes $2 million from saudi arabia. what do oversight democrats hope to get out of this investigation, and then will comer actually pursue it? and then finally, what does it say if he doesn't? >> so once again, this is just about weaponization. so with that being sent, i don't think that comer will do the right thing. this is about following the actual evidence. we know that he received two billion dollars and what is so concerning, we just heard in the hearings, as it relates to hunter biden, this isn't about going after a sitting president 's family members. but this is about someone who actually served in his administration.

we are talking about someone who had access, high level security access to information that family members don't just get access to. he had this information because of his role in the administration, and with that being said, there were certain ethics surrounding his business dealings. there seems to be a violation of those ethics, and it is something that we need to look into because we need to better understand if this is yet another example of trump and his people, potentially putting us in danger as it relates to foreign affairs. and, alex, you know that we have been out for the last six weeks. i have traveled, and the majority of congress has traveled internationally and had conversations with heads of states. it is very concerning the position that this previous administration put us in, and i don't want anyone to be freaked out. but let me tell you something. for all of those that are concerned about which way

should i vote, there is no question that if president biden is the only choice, if you want america to remain safe, because right now, we are going to clean up i'll 94 of what we've experienced under the trump administration. there is damage that's been done to our reputation. there is a damage that is continuing to be done by his maga minions, such as mtg. it is time for us to go back to doing what government is supposed to do. and that means that we are supposed to serve the people. and that means we are supposed to keep an arkansas safe. and these people are literally a danger to us. this is not a game so i need people to be seriously go to the polls, and do the mature thing, and vote for the person that has make sure we have been safe domestically and internationally over the last four years. >> there is a really good reason you just showed it, why we keep on asking you to come back on our show. we are very much happy to see you. congresswoman jasmine crockett, thank you so much. coming up later, a curious

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their guns putting on their tactical gear, just pulling off down here past this pennsylvania state police vehicle here, down into the perimeter search zone. presumably, it feels and looks like they may be onto something here because they are pulling out of here fast. and danelo cavalcante has been on the one for four days today. as you mentioned, he was spotted on that surveillance footage and a nearby home about a mile and a half from the prison according to authorities. they saw him quickly there, still wearing that same prison white t-shirt, gray pants and the white sneakers. he hasn't changed his appearance. the authorities have been urging the public here to keep their doors locked and not to leave anything out in the open, anything that can assist this murderer on the run. he could be very dangerous. we know he orchestrated a killing just days after he was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of his ex girlfriend. he is also wanted for a 2017 murder in his native brazil. officials know this guy can be a real big threat in this community.

we have had helicopters up in the air. yeah, they have had drones in the air. they've had canines here searching for him. we are checking with our forces right now on the ground. we will get to see if they have found him here, alex. >> i was gonna ask you. you say only a couple of miles from the prison, george. give me a sense of what that whole area is like. if we saw him on some sort of surveillance camera, was that a resonance? do you describe that as a residential area, or is it much more forested, wouldn't? i mean, where are you? describe it. could he be hanging out, you know, under a bush? >> absolutely. that's a good point to bring up here. this is a heavily wooded area. and there are lots of homes here throughout this township and bureau here. it is west chester, rural township. it is miles and miles of woodland. the video that we saw him twice for sink through this backyard, you can almost just barely get a glimpse of him. authorities know it was him just based on the proximity, and it really goes to a lot of details there on why they have

specifically know it was and what they are looking at the timing, and they're looking at what he was wearing. so they are saying, this is definitely the guy. again, lots of ground to cover, woods. officials are relying on those canines. they have to rely on the helicopters and all sorts of tech to scope in this massive area, alex. >> you have been talking, you may have heard, seen it is a couple of course, but at least one car left. this was at a car that was filled with the officers that you just described. they are putting on a tactical gear. are their homes nearby to where you are that maybe are concerned that they need to go to an area near a home or residents could be. to an area near a home o residents could be >> again, a lot of homes here in the area. and they are urging the public to basically stay indoors. it's a holiday weekend. they know it's a hard pill for a lot of people. earlier, i spoke with a couple out there walking their dog. they have been in this perimeter, this search area that i would canvas for a bit

there. they know that this guy is really, really dangerous. but there is still able to go out. they are not be put to shelter in place. of course, we are monitoring the situation now. it looks there is a plethora of police activity here, alex. that conversation with that person -- >> okay. do we have time to play that clip or -- do want to hear from somebody who was out there? okay, we're gonna play it. here it is. >> with everything that's going on, we feel like the officers are doing a great job. >> in someone's backyard not far from here, does it make you nervous that it could be someone you know, a backyard that you live close to? >> yes, because we live right here. >> a little scary. >> we have been searching every car that is coming in and out of the search zone. they are leaving no stone unturned. and we are closely monitoring the situation here on the ground, and we will bring you any information if they catch

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in the georgia racketeering and conspiracy election case against trump and 18 codefendants. a fulton county judge will conduct arraignments and potentially a scheduling order for trump and 11 others, who have all pleaded not guilty and waved personal appearances for their appearances. though mark meadows leads a group of seven who may be in court on wednesday. while trump and three others have now filed motions to separate their cases, a judge has already set an october 23rd trial date. joining me now, amber phillips, washington post political reporter. and paul butler, former federal prosecutor, now professor at georgetown school of law, and msnbc news legal analyst. welcome to you both.

amber, i would watch out to you first hear. being in the public spotlight is so irresistible to trump. why would he skipped an opportunity to appear in a televised event, especially since he is still fundraising off his mugshot? >> that's a great question, alex. his advisers told my colleagues at the washington post column daily that they just felt like trump's tired from traveling to all of these arraignments, from being indicted, these court appearances. they said, listen, even though they think it's still in a positive, and i'm not convinced by, that by the way, but they still think it's positive to campaign on being charged with so many crimes. they said, quote, spending a day in court is never fun. and so, after a really remarkable arraignment, i think one of the most historic that we saw a week or two in georgia, when he went to this grimy jail, got his mugshot taken, this absolute instant iconic photo.

i think he was not excited to go back down to georgia. and he's got a lot to focus on in terms of trials and court dates coming up next year. >> absolutely. we are told he will be at his bedminster golf club, so maybe he will be out on the links on wednesday. paul, constitutional law professor harry litman says there are cracks within the cracks among the 19 defendants. and here's what he told me yesterday about what might play out in georgia. listen. >> there are people now who cooperated, point the finger at donald trump. it is a precarious time for him as other defendants break loose and say, as even some of the georgia electors have done, i did this because it was at the command of the president of the united states. >> when you look at the individual reactions, ball, to the georgia indictment, and compare it to the apparent unity among defendants in the classified documents case, do you get the sense that the jockeying may be likely to cut deals with fani willis?

>> they almost certainly will cut deals with some of those 19 codefendants, not the former president. but he is the main target of this investigation. so, i think the district attorney will be open to any of the other 18. they could help her get the big guy. that's why we see the systems move from state to federal court, separate trial. some defendants want speedy trials. donald trump wants the opposite of a speedy trial. but, alex, you are absolutely right in making these motions. some of these defendants have already fingered the former president. mark meadows, for example, made a motion to move his case from state to federal court. in that filing, he sent that donald trump directed everything that he did. now, that's not a legal defense

for medals, but it is super incriminating for donald trump. >> yes, and it is something that honestly, a little fishy or might turn on the big fish. and they're really after the top guy, anyway. but, fall, this october 23rd trial date, it was set when former trump lawyer kenneth chesebro first requested a speedy trial. and fani willis still wants to try all 19 on october 23rd, we could presume. can trump be on trial in less than 17 weeks, seven weeks from now? >> it is extremely unlikely to the advantage of a r.i.c.o. prosecution and 19 defendants in one case. the prosecution gets to tell the whole story of all of the crimes, or basically combine it into one narrative, one person who participates, and then he or she is liable for what everybody else did. the problem with that is with

19 defendants, you get 19 different sets of lawyers concerned about trial date, and other conflicts in the calendar. so it's going to be a very difficult thing for all 19 to go to trial at once. georgia, on the other hand, has really strict speedy trial rules. if someone was requested a speedy trial and she doesn't get it, it's game over for the prosecution. the judge could dismiss it. so, alex, i expect the people who really want to go to trial quickly, they will have to get that wish. others will have a strong plan. but they need more time to prepare. and the judge will almost certainly have to give them that time, and the defendant can always waive his or her right to a speedy trial. >> speaking of the calendar, amber, you wrote about why trump's trial dates make his 24 campaign more difficult. but when you look at the trial dates against the political calendar, with the first major one, the day before super tuesday, isn't that super fair

to trump, because he gets to compete ahead of super tuesday. >> i think this is a case where, alex, where donald trump is going to have to, not just run his campaign in parallel with his trials and fighting these convictions, fighting convictions, excuse me -- he's gonna have to fold it in together, they're one of the same because of that calendar. to give you a perspective of how packed that calendar is and how these campaign trials that we already know and others have yet to be scheduled or are shaping up, if your president, if you are president, alex, you definitely want to be on the campaign trail. that is where the primary contests that will decide the nominee for the republican party get going with nearly 30 states and territories holding votes, and then as you mentioned, super tuesday alone, he's got a trial date starting on the january 6th investigation into him. so that is one of the biggest charges he is facing.

it carries with that potential jail time as well. and republicans that i talked to are not sure whether this helps or hurts donald trump overall, because he is the best at campaigning on grievance politics, right? but i think now he's gonna have to completely transform his campaign to just talk about how it's all about him being charged with crimes and fighting that. and i will say republican strategists i talked to feel like this is not what republican voters want to hear right now. they want to hear how to beat joe biden and make their lives better. but donald trump won't have a lot of time to talk about that. >> good point, as always, amber phillips and paul butler, guys, thank you both so much. manners make of a man, but not in florida apparently. we're gonna explain that next. but first, a view from cape may, new jersey, where it is definitely a beach day. each day we need to scale with customer demand...

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office? i mean, how does something like that land with floridians as they are coping with just a natural disaster. >> well, it is absolutely political. there is no doubt about it. desantis has tried to go after christy a little bit for 2012 when president obama came into town after hurricane sandy. it is just that politics as well. one thing that we are starting to see, the people who are turned off by both biden and trump, they want to see government working. and that means parties coming together, especially in the time of crisis. now, will it hurt the governor overall? it depends on the response. as all these things are getting done, it should not hurt him too much. but i find it interesting that senator rick scott was there along biden's signed because something tells me that polling in florida does not look good for rick scott or desantis. >> interesting. so, same to you, david, was

desantis trying to put politics over people, over the citizens of florida, who will need federal help? and will the timing of his decision, is that going to work with the gop base, his base? >> alex, a little parochialism here. this is a disgusting moment of personal ambition for governor ron desantis, and petty politics at a time when floridians are hurting, and need the help of federal government and the state government, and they need to to coordinate. as susan said, the fact that senator rick scott who joe biden publicly blade rope a dope with at the state of the union address on social security medicare politics, during a time when rick scott is in cycle facing his own reelection, rick scott and biden were on the same page, speaking to the victims in florida yesterday about the federal government's response ahead of the storm and the emergency response thereafter. this was ron desantis showing not just floridians but the nation what a small politician he could be, arguably, a small person as well, unwilling to

cooperate with the president, even with his hand out saying, please help my home state. >> on the flip side, despite what appears to be a political snub, then, president biden is taking the high road. let's take a listen to what he had to say when asked about these connection with the florida governor. here it is. >> no, i'm not disappointed, he may have had other reasons because, he did help us plan this. he sat with fema and decided where we should go, where is the disruption. and i'm very pleased. >> so end of all this, is it a win politically for president biden, susan. is biden won, desantis zero, even though they're far from a head to head match in 2024. >> absolutely. president biden went to florida. he did not care what color of the state was. he goes to every state where there is a declared emergency of this nature. and he showed up and got ron desantis was not there. and on top of it, biden was

gracious. and he did, he basically did not want to show conflict or disruption at this time, which is really a time of emergency management and crisis. so, i think definitely, i would actually give biden a two, and desantis minus one. >> speaking of the high road, when it comes to donald trump and his legal problems, the president has been -- there is a new nbc article which is calling this strategy, biden's big gamble. dave, it is that the way you see it, especially if we're getting closer to 2024? >> yes, this is where traditional politics makes a very untraditional moment, i think. and so, democrats have to figure out exactly what to do. the traditional politics would suggest, when you have republicans with a nominee burdened by criminal indictments, and absolute chaos and the house, the most perfect contrast is one, as susan said, of governing and delivering on domestic policy agenda that lifts all people within the economy, education, industry,

and jobs. however, we are at such an existential moment that this race may be one, where joe biden has to lean in to the danger of donald trump, for the sake of saving the republic. it is hard to make both of those arguments. but i think joe biden and democrats have a way to figure it out because joe biden's domestic policy agenda succeeds because they can protect the constitution from the dangers of trump and republicans. >> but at this point, susan, is the gamble paying off? according to a new journal poll, the president and trump are both tight, about 46% each. there's 8% undecided. should president biden try to capitalize off of all of that trump controversies to give himself a political push? or is that sinking to a low in primary season that might not play out too well in the general? >> there is enough time on the calendar for biden to let this go a little bit. it doesn't mean he should have spokespeople out they are going after donald trump and raising these questions. however, you know, we never

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at trump tower, 40 wall street, his golf club, mar-a-lago, to boost his net worth in exchange for loans. trump also defended his business credentials, a brand, his presidency, in seven hours of testimony as part of a lawsuit. transcripts of the april deposition were unsealed this past week. joining me now, tim o'brien, senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion, and msnbc political analyst. welcome back to the show. good to have you. over a decade ago, donald trump sued you for libel, claiming that to undervalued his net worth in your biography about him. the judge, we should note, and it up just dismissing the case. but as you read through transcripts of his deposition in the new york case, has anything changed in the way he defense insult? >> no, historically, he's been an attorney's worst nightmare under oath because he exaggerates, he meanders, he lies. he creates new problems for himself and his defense and for

his attorneys. i think most of that deposition was just a lot of hot air. there wasn't anything really tangible. and except for a couple of things that stuck out to me, a few things actually, one where he said he's gonna let go of the trump organization when he went to the white house, and let his son eric run. it throwing eric under the bus there. should any charges press further on. i think the second thing is no decision was ever made in the trump organization without donald trump approving it. i think at one point the deposition describes himself as the most -- and then i think lastly, he refers to the statement of financial condition, the heart of james's case. insurers to substantiate his wealth. but no one really took those seriously. during the time when i and others were reporting on him, and even since that time, they

often held these very accurate assessment of his wealth. i think there's real problems in that deposition about what he is setting up for his role in his own company and how he dealt with business partners and lenders. >> look, all three points you are making absolutely make perfect sense. trump also spent much of his deposition defending his presidency. one of the wildest claims that he prevented a nuclear holocaust. does this surprise you? i mean, how much do his claims actually adhere to reality? >> they don't at all. as long he's had, he creates realities, alternative realities for himself. he is a superior, ladies man, on and on and on, when he is deeply insecure about all of those things. arguably, i think his presidency, and if there is a second trump presidency, it would weaken national security and bring us much closer to military conflict. so i think when he gets to these modes of spinning about what he's done and who he is,

everyone should take it for what it is, which is essentially, hyper exaggeration or lying. >> we know all of this. it is proof -- but does this undercut the way that his supporters hoped him in the office potentially because they admired his business ackerman. will they see any of this and maybe look the other way, or look elsewhere? >> i think absolutely they will look the other way, just like they did with many of the other indictments that are sitting on trump's doorstep. i think that's a wrong way to frame it. the 30% or so, the die hard trump people inside the gop, who support donald trump a no matter what he does, those are the people that the 2024 election will turn on. it's gonna turn on independent and moderate voters. and i think they are much more turned off by trump's amateur behavior, threats to the constitution and democracy and his pathologic lying. >> one more question because you mention, eric, the trump family could be banned from

doing business in new york and potentially face a fine of about a quarter billion, with a letter b, dollars. how financially and politically damaging with that before the former president? >> it's a significant portion of his wealth tied up in just a few buildings in new york. he would have to presumably liquidate those. so he wouldn't get the price for those that he might otherwise get. and so, it hurts just his wealth. and obviously, he made his bones and his children operating in manhattan. if you are in real estate, manhattan is one of the trophy forums for doing business. to be excluded from that as well. and the family's own history, trump's wealth is built on the wealth his father created in new york. this historical, personal and financial damage that would cost. >> tim o'brien, always a pleasure to have you on the show. we will see you. thank you. that's gonna do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports. i will see you again next saturday, noon eastern. my friend yasmin vossoughian

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