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and fills at the burning man festival after heavy rains caused chaos. police investigating at least one death. all of that, plus a subject close to my heart, literally, next hour. i'm using my personal battle with it is east to educate our viewers. and i'm not alone. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we have to be able to pivot. you have to be able to do the exact same things that you tell your athletes to do, you tell your kids to do if something is not right, then you have to act. and i had to act. >> she had to act, as we all. the legendary hall of fame basketball dawn staley, and another fellow survivor carroll divine, join me with two top medical experts in the field, for a special. you do not want to miss it. it could save your life. that is our next hour, ahead. we want to begin, at the, with the former president, donald trump, said to be arraigned wednesday along with 18 codefendants in georgia's election interference case,

even without most of them being there. trump and 11 other defendants have waived their right to appear, and already entered pleas of not guilty. in southern georgia, trump is going to be spending his wednesday in miami, sitting for a deposition as part of his 500 million dollar lawsuit against former attorney michael cohen. trump claiming cohen's spread false oath and violated attorney client privilege. nbc news justice reporter and author of seditious hunter ryan reilly joins me now. how january 6th broke the justice system, the book is coming out next month. by the way, who knew, congratulations to you. i cannot wait to get my hands on this thing, and i also have you on to talk more about that book. let's talk about the news, though, even though the former president will not be in georgia, what are we watching for coming out of this arraignment this week? ming out of this>> how many defe gonna actually end up showing up, i think that is still an open question. some people could ultimately await their appearances. but i think overall in this case, what's going to be interesting is figure out how

exactly this is all gonna go forward in terms of which the defendants are going to go to trial sooner because there is this effort by the prosecutors to try to bring all of these cases together, to try them all at once. but i think it is probably more of a long shot because defendants of course have a right to prepare how they need to for trial. and even though some of them stepped on the gas and said, hey, let's get this done quickly, i want a speedy trial. others like trump really delay is the tactic for them here. they want to kick this can down the road as far as they possibly can. of course, with trump, the federal cases, it's a bit different. if he kicks they can't far enough down the road, then he wins in 2024, he can just get rid of these cases altogether, either by pardoning himself or pardoning people who were just kill these cases for him in the doj. but, you know, these cases are still going to continue ongoing, even if he can't be held at trial. they're still going to be lingering over him, you know, through the duration of his presidency here. so i think when these cases come forward, it's going to be

an important thing, because it's also going to be a chance for trump's team to look at the evidence they have in one of these other cases involving his codefendants, that he could just take a look at that to get a preview for them to see, see what they are facing down the road. >> talk more about that, because i think this strategy, the trump team, it's not surprising, interesting to say the least, the fact that they want to sever, right? you have a lot of folks, sydney powell being one of them, and chesebro, obviously as well, wanting this speedy trial, right? and then it seems as if on the former presidents team, his attorney is sitting back, wanting to watch this play out to help build their defense. >> yes, it's really fascinating in all of these cases because the defense strategy is so intertwined with the political strategy here. in fact, the political strategy really is the defense strategy. they're going to put up pressure points outside the normal realm of how defendants would handle these cases. you know, obviously, a plea deal is not really on the table for donald trump, and that is

something that he would be willing to sever, although i'm sure that prosecutors would be potentially open for that, that just seems outside the realm of possibility for him. this is going to proceed, i think, in the sort of slow fashion. that's what they are trying to do in the federal case involving jack smith here in d.c.. they really wanted to extend that as far as possible. they suggested 2026, which the judge really left off, not as a serious suggestion. and ultimately, they got this trial date early next year. so that should be something that people keep an eye on. that's the big one for him on the docket right now. >> i think you said at one point, three and a half years to build a defense, but obviously they're not going to be getting that. let me just ask you about one final piece of reporting on the number two man, trump's campaign in new hampshire, caught on video outside the capitol, on january six, telling police officers to, quote, go hang yourselves. what do we know about him, and any response here from the campaign? >> yeah, the campaign is pretty quiet about it thus far.

but this was a video that was surfaced by online sleuths who have been investigating a lot of these issues. this isn't someone who's going to get a trial. there's no evidence that he stepped inside the cop it'll. but he was going for the cameras and making this into an event. he was sort of dressed up there in a unique outfit and was yelling at the cameras at one point. and this was actually on a relative facebook live stream that he made these comments. and you have to note, there are a number of officers who served dante, who did but die by suicide thereafter including one, jeffrey smith smith whose death was declared to be in the line of duty because it was directly related to what happened on 16, including getting hit and head by a flying object flown around, like what has been done on the capitol that day. >> thank you, ryan. appreciate it. again, congratulations on that book. i want to turn now to florida, everybody, where presidential politics have included into the aftermath of hurricane idalia. president biden visiting a town,

live oak, on saturday. live pictures i'm gonna show you. he was joined by florida senator rick scott and met with a number of local officials there and victims of the storm as well as surveying the damage overall. governor desantis meanwhile issuing this last-minute announcement to the biden team that he would not be attending. and then, he spent the day in the town of horseshoe beach, in a separate visit to the hurricane site. a short time ago, he held another hurricane press conference, but he did not acknowledge president biden's trip. i want to bring in nbc news white house correspondent on capitol hill have got someone reaction for us from the white house. monica, what are you hearing? >> yes, yasmin, just, earlier the president was in florida, he was asked directly to weigh in on the fact that governor desantis did not meet with him there while he was on the ground. and he said, look, i'm not disappointed. desantis knew about my visit. we informed him. we talked about it together. he was involved in where i was going to be coming to survey damage. and then, he kind of moved on and actually praised the governor, and said that he had been working quite well

alongside the president throughout this hurricane aftermath, and that they felt florida at this point had everything they needed. and he promised that if there was more the federal government would do, that he would be there for that. and then, he kind of quickly pivoted to that republican senator, rick scott, who was there on the ground, and who really also did praise the president, and was quite something the white house took note of, and certainly appreciated. so this was kind of a strange back and forth because president biden thought he was going to be meeting with governor desantis because that was the case last year when he went down in the aftermath of hurricane. but of course, the big difference, it was a year ago, and run desantis has not declared as a presidential candidate back then, of course, now directly in competition with president biden should he become the nominee. so, this is something where the white house said they tried to do everything right, that if governor desantis had this different decision-making, so be it. they wanted to focus certainly on the people there on the ground. that was their number one priority. but of course, you have to acknowledge the politics in all of this and governor desantis's

team, maybe thinking back to super storm sandy, and of course, that reelection with former president obama, and then governor chris christie, and that embrace, that photograph that really said a lot, and said something that was quite lasting in that campaign. there are things like that that always might be taken into consideration. but the white house was clear yesterday, it was not a day for politics. they wanted to really set that aside so they could focus on helping the people who are not going to need so much help on the road to recovery after that storm. >> one note here, monica and i did not call each other about what colors we were wearing today. so -- [laughter] i love it. looking good, monica, thank you. appreciate it, my friend. coming up in just 60 seconds, a death at burning man. the latest on the dire conditions, the tens of thousands of people still stranded in the nevada desert. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ...because t-mobile helps pano ai innovate,

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trapped at burning man. that is the scary situation for tens of thousands of attendees at the annual festival held in black rock city, nevada, with more bad weather expected today, heavy rain and wind turning the self-sustaining event into an enormous impassable sticking mucked. as of this morning, there has been one reported death, which is under investigation in that zone the, remain closed. nbc's liz kreutz is following the story for us from l.a.. liz, good to talk to. you give us a sense of what's happening on the ground there, what we know? >> hey, yasmin, as you mentioned, we have learned that one person died at the height of this storm on friday. we don't know the circumstances or the cause of this death, but it comes amid all the chaos unfolding at burning man right now, tens of thousands of people remain trapped. there's a shelter in place that organizers have put into effect and no cars, except for emergency vehicles are allowed in and out. i just spoke to a friend of mine who's still there, she is

trapped like all the thousands of other burners, confined to their one camp. she says it's just so hard because of this month to move anyone. they're not allowed to move from camp to camp. she said it could be days until they're able to get out. actually, my own cousin, it turns out, happened to be there. and he was one of the lucky ones that was able to make an escape out before the shelter in place. but he still had a pretty crazy ordeal getting out. he said on friday, they were on a bus on their way out of camp. they got stuck in the mud. and he was among 50 people on that bus that had to stay and sleep on it overnight. saturday morning, they woke up and decided to just make the trek to the nearest road. they hiked through the mud, two miles, and then hitchhiked from that road to reno. quite the ordeal. here's what he had to say. >> it is still pouring. it is deeply soaking the fire. and it's going to take hours, if not days to dry. that is when it started, so there's other stuff, so like this is pretty bad, like,

abnormally bad. >> yeah, and more rain is on the way, we are expecting more rain in just the next few hours. a flood watches in effect for the next monday. and we are told that sanitation is a concern right now. it is unclear how organizers are going to be able to empty the parties on regular basis. that is one concern. but right now, festival goers seem to be taking it all in stride. in fact, organizers put out a statement they plan to still burning the man tonight. yasmin? >> still gonna go on. liz cruz for us. still ahead the fight to stay, i'll talk to a trans woman at the center of a lawsuit to kicker out of college sorority. plus lawmakers returning to capitol hill this week with a potential biden impeachment on the agenda. even if it means shutting down the government. and up next, the gloves the may finally be coming off. new reporting on a white house plan for biden to take on donald trump directly. it couldn't come as early as this week.

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a new wall street journal poll shows former president trump is widely making the lead in the gop field. the former president now hold a 46 point edge over ron desantis. that is up from trump's 24 point lead back in april. some of his rivals hitting the morning shows in hopes of getting --

>> the american people are not going to vote for a convicted criminal. the american people are gonna vote for someone who could win a general election. i have faith in the american people. they know what they need to do. >> what i've said is clear. if he's the nominee of all supported. -- pardon him and that will help you know the country. >> i don't have a problem with the fact, i met him a couple years ago, he's a good man, good family man. he's wrong on foreign policy. >> let's bring on political contributor matthew dowd. let's bring up the polling numbers as we take a look at who we just heard from, nikki haley 8%, ramaswamy 5%, and pence at 2%, donald trump, matthew, at 59%. quite a lead, quite a runway that he's gained the last few weeks as he's built up these

indictments, he's built up support. what was your reaction and seeing these numbers come out? >> you and i have had this conversation before. at this point in time that no republican who's had the lead donald trump has has ever lost the nomination for the presidency in the course of this. he maintains the dominant position it seems to be increasing. the second thing that's interesting about the numbers is all of the rise of the more minor candidates like vivek, nikki haley, the slight rise they've had hasn't come at these expense of donald trump. it's come at the expense of desantis. trump sits at a plateau. and if there is more than two candidates in this field that it's very, very difficult to beat him. >> hence the leak of the guidance that we heard of from the desantis camp ahead of that and michelle debate which was go after ramaswamy when you're on the stage. they knew he was -- a bit of a bump from that

debate. those still not registering in the double digits quite yet. i want to play some sound for you from franklin for, author of the last politician inside joe biden's white house. he was on with my colleague chuck todd on meet the press. he was asked about whether or not he'd be surprised if joe biden decided last minute not to run for reelection. i want you to listen to this and then react. >> if at the end of the calendar year joe biden announces he won't seek a second term, based on your reporting, how much of a surprise would that be? >> it would be a surprise to me. it wouldn't be a total surprise. it wouldn't be a total shock. >> why is that? >> when he talks about his life he uses this word faith constantly. joe biden is a religious guy. feet is a word loaded with religious meaning. he always talks about he can't

say work faith goes. when i hear that to me it's the ellipses in a sentence when he's talking about his own future. that i account for when thinking about has -- >> what do you make about that? >> it's fascinating. about a year ago i had thought maybe joe biden will consider himself a transitional figure, he'd served one turn and turn it over. i guess who we'd want to turn that over to is vice president harris. if he does that at this point in time it puts the democratic party in an incredibly difficult position. one, to, if he were to do that which is a very, very tiny chance of a. he's lisa clean seeding the nomination if it's late to kamala harris. >> that would be interesting to see how that plays out. i want to talk to you about some of the strategies we've been hearing coming out of the biden camp. that they'll be a shift in

strategy, a shift in focus when it comes to going out after the former president of the united states. we saw a glimpse of this on friday after the jobs number came out. the president came out to talk about the jobs number, touting the economy, touting the fact that will be avoiding a recession looking like how -- inflation and jobs numbers. wage growth as well. in that speech for the first time in his presidency i believe. he kept talking about his predecessor, he said multiple times during my predecessors time when he left office, jobs were down. let's take a listen to that then we will talk. >> my predecessors is one of only two presidents in history who entered his presidency and left with fewer jobs than when he entered. if you're a fast food manager who made even $1 more in salary. you are not guaranteed overtime pay even if you worked in

additional 40 hour wake. new rules we propose this year, this week, raise that threshold to $55,000 a year. the automatic update was something we did at the obama biden administration. my predecessor scrapped it. >> the economy is doing better now that many predicted. yet biden's top polling well when it comes to the economy. 60% believe that the biden administration doesn't have comp -- biden's handling of the economy. what do you make of the shift in strategy, will it make a difference? >> i always thought it was gonna come to this at some point. that this was gonna have to happen. i did the last reelection of a president republican -- 2004. what you think about as an incoming president, if your job approval numbers overall are good, you run it as a referendum on yourself. you say keep things going, this is what we ought to do, i've done a good job, let's go. when your job approval numbers

are problematic which is what they are. you run it as a reference on the other guy. to me this is gonna become a battle of who is it a referendum on. donald trump if he's the nominee is gonna make it a referendum on joe biden, the biden campaign is gonna try to attempt it to make it a referendum on donald trump. it's going to be a choice election in that regard, not a referendum on the incumbent president of the united states. >> matt dowd, great to talk to you, sir, thank you. coming up, the search for the missing continued in hawaii's house -- makes a promise to the people there. plus, a breaking news in the desperate search for a convicted killer on the loose in pennsylvania. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ to scientists. tourists photographing thousands of miles of remote coral reefs. that can be analyzed by ai in real time. ♪ so researchers can identify which areas are at risk.

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happening now, police have a big new clue in the search for a convicted murderer who broke out of prison in pennsylvania. here is surveillance video from saturday morning, it's difficult to make out, police believe daniel ocala conte is the man seen walking in the upper right hand corner of your screen. joining me from chester county's george soliz with more. george, you've seen some increased police activity where you are. what more do we know about this search? >> let me set the scene for you. the road closure behind me. behind me is the provider, an active search area right now.

it's not far from where that surveillance video that you just aired was shown. that was about a mile and a half from the chester county prison where he escape from. officials not saying how he managed that prison break. again, it's a heavily wooded area. we have now hear a lot of canines, drone activity and some choppers that are going overhead. i got word that marshals officials were seeking a tip that they were on to something. a number of cobb cars flew down this road it's an active scene. we're trying to figure out if maybe they had closed in on this guy. that video is a big part of this ongoing investigation and search. at some point they didn't know if he was in the area. that video is a big clue. they say he needs to be in the area. in some way they're waiting him out, waiting to see if it pops is that head again. they're urging the public to be vigilant. don't leave kids in your car, don't leave your doors unlocked, they've gone door to door as they've been canvassing and they found opportunities for

this guy to get in a car, get inside a home and make matters a whole lot worse. this guy is dangerous. he orchestrated this president break days after he was sentenced to life in present for the murder of his ex girlfriend he's also wanted for murder in brazil that took place in 2017. they know this is a very dangerous individual. as far as how they know this is the guy they're looking for. based on what they saw on the video he's still wearing the same prison attire that he was seen and when they got -- leaving the president. the white shirt, gray pants, and the white sneakers. again, community here is terrified. they are on edge. the search is ongoing. we're on day four. they hope this comes to a peaceful resolution and soon. >> hoping they're able to capture him. george soliz, thank you. house speaker kevin mccarthy and the bipartisan group of lawmakers travel to maui this weekend during areas -- deadly wildfires that killed at least 115 people last month. this is happening as the search

for the missing continues. joining me now to talk about this is sam brock who's in maui. sam, great to talk to you. what more do we know about the congressional delegation visit and the promise that the house speaker's making two residents there? >> it's pretty simple. good to be with you. speaker mccarthy's promising money, promising resources and oversight to figure out what exactly went wrong. so we can make sure this kind of disaster never happens to lahaina, and never happens to maui again. as far as the buildup to the trip some political back and forth, once the delegation got on the ground it felt harmonious, it felt purposeful in terms of who made it out. democrats and republicans, representing maui, we have dave joyce a republican who has the house appropriations subcommittee responsible for funding fema. dare jared mark school it's a democrat from florida, he ran a management agency. you have a good -- around here.

as far as speaker mccarthy's concerned he says he doesn't want to see lahaina rebuilt in a manner that doesn't reflective of the culture and heritage here that's so important for him he wants answers to questions about everything from power policies, diana reservation, wind events, 11 oh we put powerlines under now to the ground. whether or not they have resources. this whole issue of fema, fema administrator saying last month that they might run out of money at some point in september because of these disasters that need to be funded. speaker mccarthy was asked about that and the emergency of the situation. this is what he said. >> government funding is this time period. government funny goes until september 30th, it'll be replenished. what you look at two is not just hawaii. we have floods in vermont. we had a hurricane in florida. we have hurricane in california. we have fires in florida. we'll be able to work through,

look at the accounting of what people need, and make sure the assessments are there. and make sure the money is spent wisely. >> as for the number of people who are still unaccounted for at this point, 115 confirmed deaths, this is been all over the map. officials said it was over 1000 and the fbi came in and said we need to start a verify list of three 88, 200 plus of call to say, i'm not on the list. they have a down to 1:22. a couple days ago -- we found out the new list is 385. you can understand why they're so much consternation on the ground about how many souls are still out there unaccounted for. >> a lot of frustration. sam brock, thank you, appreciate it. i hope you can stick around for something that is incredibly special to me in our next half hour. a special that's very personal. in december of 2022 i had some chest pains and was told i had a simple case of acid reflects.

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impeachment inquiry? >> this is something they preparing for four months since republicans took the majority this -- that they have. they've been talking and salivating at the prospect that of impeaching either someone in the biden administration or the president himself. as we've gotten closer in the past couple months to a potential and limiting government shutdown. those two efforts have been inexplicably linked by mccarthy at least privately when he talks to his members. he has threatened this impeachment inquiry. he has told his members if they don't fund the government investigation into the biden family. the white house in recent weeks has set up an office, a war room, they've hired dozens of lawyers, dozens of aids for this potential effort that they see coming. mccarthy saying that they could potentially vote to start an impeachment inquiry in the next couple weeks. it's not clear if he has the votes for that but it's interesting as we come closer and closer to september 30th, a date many people are watching.

and certainly mccarthy's watching closely as he tries to release the pressure valve that he's facing from all sorts of areas of his conference, from someone of the hard right who want impeachment to move forward. it'll be interesting to see what the timing shapes out here. >> julie, thank you, appreciate it. donald trump is in attack mode over growing support for a legal theory suggesting that he could be disqualified from running for president. in a fund raising email trump urged supporters to fight back against a lawsuit in new hampshire to keep am off the ballot under the 14th amendment. that bans anyone from holding federal office if they have previously quote, engaged in insurrection, or rebellion against the united states. or given aid, comfort to the enemies thereof while holding political office. a similar lawsuits been filed in florida. the theory has gained some traction even in conservative circles. we want to bring in msnbc legal

analyst, joyce vance, joyce, it's a pleasure. trump has not been charged, when you look at the charges that he has and washington, d.c., under jacks mitt along with georgia under d.a. fani willis in aiding or engaging an insurrection. a lot of legal experts say you don't necessarily need a criminal conviction. to be held under the 14th amendment. does this thing have any legs? >> it's an open question. it's a very interesting one. conservatives have historically and typically been stripped constructionist when it comes to the constitution. the constitution is clear. it says you can't, -- in this sort of behavior. and then hold office. there's an additional section, section five, that authorizes congress to pass enabling

legislation, legislation that would say had waited for section three. it hasn't done that. there's perhaps an argument that without outbound legislation this is self executing so to speak. every state will have to decide for its purposes whether or not this ballot tory measure is an appropriate one to keep -- this issue will land in the supreme court and they'll be called upon to decide it. >> let's talk codefendants here in georgia. i want to talk specifically about john eastman, who gave an interesting interview to say the least on fox news. i want to play a little bit of the sound of what he had to say. and then get your view on it. >> on january six what did you want to happen? >> what i recommended, i've said this repeatedly is that he exceed to request more than 100 state legislators in swing states to get them a week to sort out the impact of what

everyone acknowledged was illegality in the conduct of the election. >> did he just admit wrongdoing, could that be damaging for eastman that interview there? >> you're always happy when you comply videotape of a defendant confessing on national television to a jury. which is exactly what that sounds like. he is confessing to try an interfere with the election. and it's compounded by eastman's continued insistence that there was election fraud. there was no election fraud that impacted the outcome. he knew that. there's emails where that comes up and it is discussed. this is just an example of a lawyer that's so arrogant, who believes he can outsmart other people, he does this sort of thing that won that only backfire. >> let's talk meadows really quickly. no medals us trying to get this thing moved to federal court. and part of his federal -- in his official duties as chief

of staff, white house chief of staff to the former president of the united states. let me read part of what he's doing, offering campaign fundraising to -- refrain to the coronation of fake electors, and facilitating trump's phone call asking for brad raffensperger to quote unquote, find votes. does any of that fall under the purview of an official duty of a white house chief of staff? >>. -- for federal drive steve jones in atlanta. when he decides whether or not these cases should be heard in federal court or state court. this suggests that they should be sent back to state court. it's clear at this point that meadows is doing the work of the campaign not the presidency. and he's not entitled to remove his case to federal court. >> joyce fads, as always, it's a pleasure to see you. thank you. more on the jar jar rico case at the top of the hour

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exception. this week brought some very good news for artemis. artemis lankford scored a legal victory when a judge dismissed a suit brought by six fellow members of her cap a cap gamma sorority who sued to kick her out of the chapter over her trans identity. -- widespread attention at schools continue to be a front line in the fight for lgbtq+ rights. artemis lankford, the brave women at the center of it all is joining me now. artemis, thanks for joining me, appreciate it. how are you doing? >> [inaudible] thank you for having me on. i'm doing okay. it's very unusual in my experience to be able to have this opportunity. i'm very thankful to be able to be with you today. >> it's gotta be hard to start off your junior year, you should be thinking what classes are taking, but friends will be hanging with, what opening year parties you'll be going to. instead you're thinking about

this lawsuit and how members of her sorority didn't want you to be a part of it. what is that like for you? >> it's been a very difficult year to say the least. the sheer surreal notice of being in a media cycle again and again, even though i didn't necessarily want to be given all this attention just because of my identity. and the sheer terror of being in a lawsuit and not knowing what happens next, especially with press online, harassment both physically and online. it's been very hard on myself

and those that are in my chapter, campus in general, it's been very affected because of that. >> the people harass you on campus, do they say things to you on campus? >> there have been some confrontations and interactions. some are more pleasant than one would think, one person came up to me saying that they're gonna pray for me. i don't know and what contacts they wanted to pray. but, thank you for praying for me. others have been very hostile, passive aggression, -- purposely tries to hit you. those kind of confrontations. i'm grateful nothing has gone

beyond that. >> i know this lawsuit was brought on by i believe six members of your sorority. do you have support from other women in the house? >> i'm very glad to have such great support of sisters in my chapter. i think as a sorority kappa demonstrates so much about very wonderful values from loyalty, to courage, [inaudible] very smart people that i'm glad to have on my side of the chapter. i think it's a very difficult experience because no one was expecting to be there. and to be in this kind of situation. now it's been a great relief that perhaps it can finally be over. >> it takes a brave and unique person to do this. to be a first in a situation

like this. and then to continue on. what makes you want to stay with everything that you've been through? >> i think i want people to know that everything that they've experienced, i'm certainly not the first trans person to ever be attacked by elements in the media, to be used. unfortunately i don't think i'll be the last. i want people to know that it's never okay for that kind of scrutiny on a person just because of their identity. just because i am trans. i hope that even if there's one person out there that feels like their identities being attacked, it's okay to be who you are. and it's never okay to be attacked on identity whether it's because of race, gender identity, sexual orientation,

religion or creed. every day that they can be themselves is a good day for us all. >> it's okay to be exactly who you are. artemis lankford, thank you so much, we appreciate it. we have a lot more coming up you're watching msnbc, our second hour starts right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> more rolling into our second hour. i'm yasmin vossoughian. coming up later this hour a special that is very personal to me, very excited to share with you, heart health lives in the balance. i want to use my personal ballot with pericarditis, to educate others with information that could save lives. i'll be joined by top medical experts and two women who are in this fight with me. hall of fame basketball coach, dawn staley, as well as carole anne devine, a fellow mother. >> as far as my children are concerned i think my nine year

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